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This the most exciting MAGS in ages (for me). I'm really excited what you guys come up with.

Before I camp at the bus station, I'll consider a taxi

Okay, to keep it short:
I couldn't loose the feeling that more and more replies have quite a sarcastic undertone.
That can't be good. Either way it smell like frustration and I found it was time for a reminder that we all do this for fun.


Don't get me wrong, I very much appreciate all the time you invest on helping beginners and intermediates. I'd never have the patience.

It's just that with this guy there's no curve at all, there's just stagnation

Nah... just compare the first "games" he made. There is a definite learning progress.

The methods or advice are never, ever, ever used at a later point in time, let alone for something remotely similar to transfer.

Terribly true

It's just that this particular guy seems to ruin it for anyone else.

What are we supposed to do?

Thats the 1.000.000 $ question. Ban? Ignore? Being degraded as online help? Blow up every single icey thread? I'm afraid there isn't an easy answer.
When he first joined, I thought his membership would only last a few weeks. Especially when he joined the wintermute forums. But I guess this is last board on the interwebs, where he isn't been ignored and actually helped.

Still this isn't the worst icey thread yet

@Monkey + Khris: I know, you guys are the No.1 trouble shooters here and I know that it is very frustrating that some people have a shallow learning curve.
But this slowly turns into a beginners bashing board

Okay, I'm no help either, but there has to be another way to cope with exasperation.

When I first spotted this, I thought: Finally, somebody redid the Infocom version
But your game was fun too


Edit: Forgot to mention that I liked the animation work as well. And finally, a convincing reason to be trapped in a room. Well done!

[connection woes]

Oh, I've just spotted, that I'm not on the post-mittens list. Since nothing is booked yet: I'd like to attend too

-edit: Just booked the flight! Wooo

--edit2:
connection woes
Oh noes, I'll arrive at 17:55 pm at Dublin Airport. Too bad that this is too late for the train to Rosslaire Strand.

I've already discovered a bus, which brings me to Wexford at around 22:00 pm, but then I'm stuck.

Anyone else travels that late? Or does anyone has a car at Rosslaire and could pick me up?

Well, congrats on finishing. I suppose I know which direction you're heading to, but you're still miles away. Instead on wasting time on the 3D effect you should have put more effort into the "game" itself.


Oh well, at least your graphics are alright

Very nice - everything I'd need for spriting is in there and the ramp feature in the palette editor is a great addition.
For backgrounds I'd still miss gradient fills and the ability to draw straight lines by holding the shift key. But hey, it's Allegro Sprite Editor, so I'm fine with it.

Although it doesn't convince me to switch from PM, this still looks like the best free animator out there.

I disagree with you two. That's exactly what I expect from a remake and I always hated the old SCUMM punching engine.

Okay, the jumping height is pretty high and the demo is unplayable on my keyboard (MS Ergonomic 4000), but anyway in the final game this minigame is simply terrific.


PS. please consider configurable keys

I'll upload the latest build i have when i get home from work

Cool, thanks!

yeah, and all this for the sake of portability. The Grafx2 GUI feels even more outdated and even shares all the drawbacks from DPaint 2 (like the floodfill being blocked by the GUI, so you can't easily fill the whole screen at once).


Do you know if ASE already has grid with 45° angles? Or even better - if you have a recent Windows build, I'd be happy to check it myself

The only thing that keeps me away from ASE is its GUI and the fact that I already bought ProMotion

Happy Birthday Poc301!
Finally a birthday I didn't miss

In case you don't want to make these edits, here's mine:
http://shatten.sonores.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/SpriteFont.zip

Of course Khris' edits are working too

This is a list of all recent and stable spriting tools I've been able to find. Of course there are countless raster based image editors, but only a few focus on spriting and/or pixelation.
So here it is:


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ASEPRITE
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General
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Last Release: 11/2010
URL: http://www.aseprite.org/
Price: free (open source)
OS: Windows, Mac

Advanced Features
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8-bit palette: yes
Layers: yes
Animation: yes
Tiles: yes
Iso-Grid: no


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Edge2
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General
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Last Release: 11/2010
URL: http://takabosoft.com/edge2
Price: 4000 yen (Edge1 is freeware)
OS: Windows
Language: japanese only

Advanced Features
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8-bit palette: yes
Layers: yes
Animation: yes
Tiles support: yes
Iso-Grid: yes


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Grafx2
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General
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Last Release: 04/2011
URL: http://code.google.com/p/grafx2/
Price: free (open source)
OS: multi platform

Advanced Features
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8-bit palette: yes
Layers: yes
Animation: no (only palette rotation)
Tiles: yes
Iso-Grid: yes


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GraphicsGale
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General
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Last Release: 01/2011
URL: http://www.humanbalance.net/gale/us/
Price: 1,995 yen (freeware without .avi and .gif support)
OS: Windows

Advanced Features
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8-bit palette: yes
Layers: yes
Animation: yes
Tiles: no
Iso-Grid: no


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MTPaint
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General
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Last Release: 04/2009
URL: http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/
Price: free (open source)
OS: Windows, Linux

Advanced Features
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8-bit palette: yes
Layers: yes
Animation: basic (via Gifsicle)
Tiles: no
Iso-Grid: yes


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ProMotion
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General
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Last Release: 2008
URL: http://cosmigo.com/promotion/index.php
Price: 78 USD
OS: Windows

Advanced Features
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8-bit palette: yes
Layers: yes
Animation: yes
Tiles: yes
Iso-Grid: yes


@InC: sorry, no Art Gem

just amazing... who would have imagined that back in 99

Too bad I won't be able to contribute to the code, but I'll do my best to work on a modern hi-res template.

I'm using it for ages and it still works in 3.2.1. Although I'm not sure if I had to adjust a few things.

That brickwork is just fantastic.  Would love to see a tutorial or something if you haven't done one already

Thank you, Stupot! If you can find a few others to join the choir I'll certainly do so.

* abstauber joins the choir

There can't be enough informations about low-res art

I'll set the flight back to the 28th, so I should make it to Dublin too.

* abstauber should remind himself that flights aren't getting any cheaper the longer he waits.