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SPLIT FROM AGS AWARDS FYC THREAD

Speaking of the Wiki (sorry, this is kind of out of place, and maybe I just haven't been looking hard enough...)

Why isn't there some kind of direct link to the Wiki? The other day I had to look through the general forums until I found the post entitled "AGS Wiki: Seen this yet?" and get the link from there. It should be very easy to find, considering what it is, from the main page. And, BTW: I haven't looked for it, since the web address is easy to remember, but is there a direct link to americangirlscouts somewhere easy to find, too?

I'm surprised no one noticed Darth Vader... And I think there are a couple of blonde Romulans at one of the tables...

Are we allowed to plan ahead at all? And if so, is there anything we should know about? I mean, for me, coming up with the idea is the hard part. I made my ESPER game in a week and a half, but the idea I'd been writing for a couple years.

Alright, cool. I actually respect your ability to pull words out of thin air that I actually don't know! I used to read the dictionary for fun when I was a kid, so anyone who can stump me is okay in my book.

I liked the game. I disliked the exact same things as you, but it didn't hurt my enjoyment of the game. I agree that its pedigree might have assisted its ratings, but not from me. I just liked it because I LOVED Out of This World, and anything that can copy something like that using AGS is awesome to me. I've been wanting to make a clone of it for ages! I think the lack of (insert everything you mentioned here) is because of the attempt to do something like that with an engine not designed for it.

So, you like Doctor Who? As long as either Tom Baker or Jon Pertwee is your favorite incarnation of the Doctor, I think we can put our past petty squabbles behind us!

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Okay, but "polemicy" is not in any dictionary I can find as being a valid form of the word polemic. But that's not the issue.

I'm not sure exactly what's going on here. All I was trying to say in my initial post is that you sounded like you were the one making the "ad hominem polemicy" against Yahtzee. Please, try to see my point here. It doesn't sound like you're EVER talking about the game there, but rather going directly after the maker of the game. Kinoko and I both seem to have thought you weren't really trying to make constructive criticism of the game, but rather that you were tearing down the author for personal reasons. Re-read your post and try to tell me that's not how it sounds. If that's not so, then so be it, and I issue a partial apology (ie. I still think you SOUNDED that way, but I retract all my statements).

And don't think I'm a member of the Yahtzee cult. I would say the same things in any case if I thought someone were attacking someone without good reason. I liked the game. That's my opinion. You didn't, and that's yours, and you posted your reasons. However, you CAN NOT tell me that it doesn't look mighty suspect that you would just show up and start speaking directly to "Ben," as if you know him personally, about how his game is a failure. Does it not seem, if you were on the outside looking in, that you were a troll that just happened to have a problem with Yahtzee coming in to tear him down?

It's not my job to defend Yahtzee. Like I said, I don't even like the guy. But I like what he does. I've read his website. As a matter of fact, I saw the post you quoted, and thought, "man, this guy's messed up." However, I thought 1213 was awesome. There were alot of things that aggravated me, and I mentioned them here already, but it didn't lessen how much I enjoyed the game. It was almost nostalgic for me.

My question is this: Are you here to be a part of the community, or just to say you didn't like the game? The reason for everything I've said, most especially my initial sardonic comment, is hinged in this question.

I know, Ghormak. I'm one of them. I don't like the person that is Yahtzee all that much. I don't like his sense of humor. I don't like the high horse he sits on just because he's good at what he does. I like his games, though, and his concept of what is freaky/scary... I'm not arguing jackdark's points. Like I said, I agreed with some of them myself. I'm arguing his definition of "constructive criticism." You noticed that this left 1213 and went into YAHTZEE HIMSELF, though, right? For example, the ENTIRE QUOTE of the ENTIRE POST on the front page of his site?

You, sir, are an idiot.

Do you really think posting the words "ad hominem polemicy" is going to make us think otherwise? How long did you have to use a thesaurus to come up with that? And then you couldn't even use a valid form of the word "polemic." I knew ad hominem, but I did have to look up the other word on dictionary.com, which proves my asslessness in yet another way: I don't try to use words I don't know.

And, by the way, the post you quoted had nothing at all to do with you... I was speaking directly to Kinoko, jokingly.

How do I sound like an ass by telling you that you are NOT constructively criticising Yahtzee, but rather trying to tear him down in an open forum? That is my gripe. I even posted that I agreed with some of what you had to say, but you lost us in the way you did it. I also note that you have ONLY THESE FEW posts, in this thread, to your record. It seems to me that you logged onto this forum specifically for the purpose of trying to tear down Yahtzee.

Are you an artist? What have you done that we can see? I don't have an "idol worship" issue with Yahtzee, but he has made some games that I respect. Have you never heard of "trying a new style?"

And, by the way, that is Yahtzee's own home page. He has a right to sound like an ass there. As a matter of fact, I think it's his purpose to. He has every right to. Just like you have every right to say what you want about him here. Just like I have every right to tell you that you don't understand the meaning of the term "constructive criticism."

And, by the way, thank you for the one word response telling Kinoko exactly what the term was which refers to the type of thing she said. I'm sure she didn't know.

My note on this issue is simply this: You have four posts on these forums, and all of them are attacks on someone. You have an agenda. You have no desire to be a part of these forums, but simply to shit on people. That's not very welcome around here. If you want to be a part of the forums, stop right there. People aren't going to be very welcoming to you with an attitude like that right off the bat. If you don't want to be part of the forums, and you ARE only here to emit your fecal matter on the members, and on Yahtzee, who doesn't even come here anymore to defend himself, I suggest you quit while you're ahead.

::looks around slyly::

repaired. Before you even mentioned it, by the way. Stupid pronouns...

Actually... I kind of agreed too. I liked the game, and I liked it alot, but I did have most of the same gripes.

In Yahtzee's defense, I don't think the game NEEDED good graphics. I think the heartbeat thing might have gotten old after a while, but it was a terrific move for immersion. I berely noticed it after a while, until it started to change.

I don't see the problem with the showers. I thought it was a whole lot more realistic than a medkit. Taking a soothing shower helps to calm the nerves and relax the character, who is obviously under a great deal of both physical and mental stress. I mean, come on, you want realistic? The guy should die after being hit once or twice, with no hope of ever healing. THAT'S realistic. I think the shower idea is a million times better than "medkits." What the hell is a medkit, anyway, and how is that supposed to heal you of gunshot wounds?

I played the game skillfully, the way I believe it was meant to be played, rather than diving off platforms and firing away. I played through once without taking a single hit, not even from the boss. Therefore, I'm not sure what you're complaining about. However, from most of the review in question, it seems as though our mystery reviewer's playstyle is a Ã, bit more "Halo 2" than "Out of This World." After the medkits, did you want Yahtzee to throw in a couple energy shields and a thermal detonator?

That also stands true for the next point, about dodging bullets. I personally HATE games that are so unrealistic that the player can be like Neo in the Matrix, dodging slow-moving projectiles and such... The key to the game is strategy and stealth, and as such, dropping down and putting a bullet in the guard before he hits you is where it's at. How do you suppose the character should dodge bullets, anyways? Should Yahtzee have implemented a bullet-time procedure in which 1213 bends backwards in slow motion to dodge the enemy bullets? I think this is why Yahtzee made the guards fall in one shot, but the zombies that don't have ranged attacks fall after several. This is good design, in my opinion.

I also found much problem with the chance of hitting a target. I think at least the chances should have gotten better as the target neared you. 1213 obviously is no professional marksman, as he could clearly NOT hit the broad side of a barn. This chance could have been raised a bit, and I'm sure Yahtzee will see this error and implement a fix in the next two chapters. HOWEVER, I do find it cool that there is a chance of missing. I found that cool in Out of This World, as well, and I forget if Flashback had a similar feature.

I agree with the resurrecting guards. Or rather, that they should not exist.

In regards to the text speed: Hit enter, and read the manual next time...

I had no qualms with the music. It was okay, and didn't bother me in the least.

I agree. Let him have opinions. I have mine too, and my opinion was that he sounded like someone with a grudge against Yahtzee for making fun of his favorite game on Fully Ramblomatic or in Adventure Gamer Underground, and tried to repay him by emulating him by writing a scorching rant. Just my opinion... Which, like him, I have the right to express...

Thank you, Kinoko, by the way. He did come off as an ass. I could care less about your criticism, and I did read it thoroughly, btw. Pretty much what you said is this:

"I like Yahtzee's past games, but now I hate him and everything he stands for." What constructive criticism? Read it YOURSELF, and stop telling me to do something I've already done... And quite skillfully. Illiteracy is not a laudable trait, so stop trying to prove that you can't even read something you yourself wrote. Read everything you bolded. You sound like a blubbering, childish cretin with a bone to grind rather than a constructive critic.

I hate bandwagons. I'm not one of those "let's all jump on the Yahtzee bandwagon" type guys. I'm not left or right, I'm not Republican or Democrat, I'm not Catholic or Protestant, and I'm not Yahtzee or You... I'm of the opinion that this is a good game, and Yahtzee did a good job, but that you were a little harsh. Don't start being harsh to ME now, or it might really get messy in here...

We now end this episode of "sub-par game maker whose never actually made a game in his life ranting endlessly and poking fun of one of the most respected AGS game authors ever just to satisfy his desire to feel like he's writing in a big gaming magazine rather than on a public forum" and return you to your normally scheduled programming...

1. Yes... a chow, a fluffy yellow mutt, two kittens, three outdoor cats, and a peanut butter milkshake.
2. black and white.
3. I would feel nothing... It was the pet or family member that got stabbed.

1. What would be a cool superpower?
2. If you could take over the entire world, how would you do it?
3. What is your favorite onomatopoeia?

Holy crap... Most of the games I would mention are NOT on this list! If anyone has ever even heard of some of these more obscure ones, please, let me know!

ATARI
Yar's Revenge (My favorite crappy game)
Defender
Pitfall

APPLE IIE
Odell Lake
Oregon Trail
Montezuma's Revenge

C64
Kid Niki: Radical Ninja (totally not the same game on Nintendo)
Roadwar 2000 (the best game of all time)
Alf
Ninja (not The Last Ninja... just NINJA)
Saboteur
The Human Race (also the best game ever)
The Bard's Tale series
Zork

NINTENDO
Ninja Gaiden (easily the best game ever)
Blaster Master (one of the best games of all time)
SMB 1, 2, and 3
Rush N' Attack
Ikari Warriors (actually, this is the arcade version of The Glory Road... the Nintendo version sucked balls)
Contra (up up down down left right left right B A B A start, FTW)
The Immortal (also easily the best game ever)
Castlevania 2: Simon's Revenge
Legend of Zelda 2: Link's whatever it was called

SEGA MASTER SYSTEM
Alexx Kidd, original
Golden Axe
Altered Beast
Rastan

SEGA GENESIS
Splatterhouse
The Haunting, starring Polterguy
The Phantasy Star series

SEGA CD
Lunar: The Silver Star
Lunar: Eternal Blue
Sewer Shark
Sol Feace

SUPER NINTENDO
Final Fantasy 3 (clearly, the best story and characters in a game, ever)
Chrono Trigger
Mario Paint (Oh, the movies I could make)
Super Street Fighter 2: The New Challengers

PC
As was mentioned, the old Apogee platformers
Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego
Star Trek 25th Anniversary, with the voices of the original cast
Castles
Battle Chess

I think anything past that ceases to be nostalgic...

Hmmm. You wouldn't like him when he's angry...

Not to mention,Ã,  a pig that looks like this:



would just kick every ass to own. Paw wouldn't trip over 'im in the dark on the way to the outhouse, that's fer durn tootin'!

Ha! Glowing pigs....

Why not just feed them uranium?

Anyway... My game (ESPER: Town on the Edge of Darkness) touches on this theme a little bit, actually. Technically, it's more the theme of cloning, but that's still genetics. Alot of "religious" people say scientists shouldn't mess around with that stuff because it is for "God only..."

Stupid people. I hate how A) people can never seem to think for themselves, and B) if there's a bandwagon, people will jump directly on it, and stare longingly at it's buttocks all day long.

My argument against cloning from a religious standpoint makes a lot more sense.

God creates man. God creates soul. God puts soul in man. Man creates man. God does not create soul. Man-created-man becomes horrible zombie killing machine. QED, bitch.

1. I once had a multitude. If distance counts, then I have no friends. If not... I have THREE real friends.
2. NO, and only because they don't have it, and if they did, doing so would leave them with nothing. I think...

Actually, the correct answer is probably, "no, because they're smart enough to know I wouldn't give THEM 10,000 dollars."

3. because it's also the rule for passing people in hallways. If we drove on the left side of the road, we'd run into more people when walking.

MINE:

1. What do you want to do before you die.
2. If you could become anything, what would it be.
3. Why do we all live a life just like everyone else? What makes people not want to be unique?

I really don't think my game had the best art in the world, and the music is ripped from FlashKit, but I worked really hard on it nonetheless, and think the story is really good. Thus, for your voting pleasure, I would like to nominate ESPER: The Town on the Edge of Darkness.

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http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/games.php?action=download&game=610

For the following categories:

BEST SHORT GAME- because alot of people thought it was fun, scary, and atmospheric.
BEST PLAYER CHARACTER- Ian McDermott is one badass zombiekilling mofo.
BEST STORY- I wrote it as a short story, and decided to gaminate it. The original short story comes with the download.
BEST DIALOGUE WRITING- Ian is also a fairly witty fellow, and anyone who crosses him either gets shot down or pierced by his rapier wit.

gratz, mordy. Pick something fun!

o.0

Ummm. That was freaky....

It's too bad that kitten died. It would be the coolest thing to have that cat. I'd kill somebody in front of their own mother on live television to have a cyclopean kitten like that. I'd dress that little sucker up in a loincloth and give it a little kitty club with a nail sticking out of one side of it... And I'd put a sign in front of our house that said "WARNING: Argonauts not welcome. Cy will kick your ass..."

1. Me, in my infinite wisdom.
2. red from embarassment. The other trees watch that shit, you know?
3. Peru, Columbia, Venuzuela, Guyana, Bolivia, Argentina, Ecuador, Chile, Brazil.... Yakko Warner.

1. Who understands my anwer to question #3?
2. How much wood COULD a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
3. And speaking of Chuck... Essay Question: Why does or why does not Chuck Norris suck? ps. You cannot use www.chucknorrisfacts.com