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#541
Critics' Lounge / Re: First background.
Sun 11/12/2005 11:13:53


This is purposely crap. I did it in 5 minutes with Paint and a mouse, rather than my customary Photoshop or Dogwaffle with my tablet. I did it just to throw out some ideas for improvement, and so you couldn't just take my pic and mod it a bit to be your own.

Actually, when it comes to MS Psint and a mouse, I really do suck that bad...

First, you need to give your cliffs a little depth. rather than having a rolling green hill of grass going right up to it, have the cliff come out into the grass... and not with a flat edge, as there really are no such things as flat edges found in nature. You see on mine how the hill kind of rolls in and out, and the grass might pop up over it at times in individual stalks but the hill is still clearly on top.

Then, I added some shadow where the hill recessed. I did it with black pen, since I was using MSP, but if you are using a program (PSP, PS?) that has burns I suggest you use those.

Next, I textured (crappily) the grass. Actually show some stalks of grass here and there to give it depth and texture. Have the grass pop up over items behind them, like my addition of the rock and the stump. BTW, you should add items like that so your BG doesn't stay a green, blue, and brown geometry lesson. Variety is the spice of life.

I also added texture to the water as a shoddy series of almost-concentric ripples... with spikes, because a solid pen doesn't let you do nice smooth brush strokes like I would have wanted. I also put in a reflection of the sun. If you have the capability, you might want to put an alphablended reflection of the shore and maybe the cliff in the water too. I also thought that a tree stump growing so close to the shore might have a root jutting out into the water. You have to learn to think laterally instead of linearly when it comes to being creative.

Albert Einstein said "Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited, but imagination encircles the globe." Don't just picture a scene... grass, water, cliff. Think of what you might also see. I could have added flowers, sunbeams peaking over the clifftop, moss on the cliff, a trodden path where the grass has been laid down by passing feet, rocks sticking out of the water... I suggest you go look at the topic "C&C BG yo rly" (or something like that) to see exactly how the knowledge of how something should look (a room. Four walls, a door, a matress) can give way to imagination (boxes, shadow, windowpanes, pictures on the wall, a mousehole, wallpaper, etc.).

Finally, I also made a smaller cliff leading from the grass into the water, to give more of an impression that the cliff is up, the water is down, and the grass is in a plane seperating the two.
#542
I really like this idea. At first, I thought it would be along the lines of, "A man tells the police he thinks his wife has been murdered. They enter his house, and he crosses the room and turns the lights on. The dead body of his wife is lying in the middle of the floor. The police arrest the man. Why?" and the first person to say "He obviously knew where the body was to step over it" wins. That is non-workable. However, the idea of presenting a solution to a given problem within a certain set of rules is really a good idea, and sounds like a lot of fun for those logical thinkers among our number. I second this.
#543
General Discussion / Re: It's been 25 years..
Sun 11/12/2005 09:42:47
I don't think any deity would send me to hell specifically because I can't draw feet. Besides, the purple shoes and fallen tube socks added some humor to an otherwise somber piece of religious iconolatry.
#544
General Discussion / Re: It's been 25 years..
Sun 11/12/2005 09:05:53
Seriously? Hmmmm. Come give the good Doctor a nice big kiss....

#545
Critics' Lounge / Re: Hallway background C&C
Sun 11/12/2005 07:35:53
I think Steve might be wrong about the light. It looks as though the sun is either coming up or going down at an angle which makes the light go toward the right of the room. If this were so, the light would stop right there. However, if it is full on daylight, you might expect the light to fan out like you have it on the right side.

Also, I think the reason you can't get the indentations on the door right are because the doors might be a little too wide. Every door I've seen like that is very thin, thinner than most. Here's the only one I could find on Google image search, which actually is about as wide as the ones you have.



Lastly, I don't know how you could go about it (I'm not very skilled with Photoshop, although if I were I'm sure I might be able to crank out some nice stuff), but I think for a dusty old farmhouse a good idea would be to show the beams of light shining through the dust as it breaks through the posts on the railing.

EDIT: Like this, only through railing instead of the window crossbars:

#546
General Discussion / Re: It's been 25 years..
Sun 11/12/2005 07:01:05
Quote from: vict0r on Sun 11/12/2005 01:22:51
almost all art based on religion tend to have running nude people in them!



Holy Crap! He's right!!!
#547
General Discussion / Re: It's been 25 years..
Sat 10/12/2005 22:22:59
Just had to say this. I have spent this entire thread arguing against the Christian. Now, let me turn around and do the opposite. I don't claim to be a Christian, or an atheist, or a Buddhist, or a Satanist, or a Wiccan, or an agnostic, or a Hare Krishna, or a Muslim... etc... As such, there is no standard to hold me up to. Rharpe can't randomly speak his mind, because, like I said in a past post, he has the Bible as his guide, and if he strays from it, he can be argued into a corner and broken.

I have no such trappings.

Most logical, intelligent, atheistic people will say "I have logical, intelligent reasons why I'm an atheist. I think Christianity is wrong, along with all the other world religions." Although I am not an atheist, I can say this is where I am. "Christianity" has been the cause of some of the most atrocious horrors in history. I already mentioned the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, etc.. An intelligent, informed person who has nothing to hide from or to fear can stand up and say "Christianity and the Bible are false," and then leave it alone because it bears no importance on their lives. I have some very good friends who are Wiccans, that when I was stupid enough to be trying to become a priest supported me all the way, even though I was becoming part of a religion that states "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

However, it takes an immature, insecure imbecile to say "Christianity and the Bible make me fucking sick." To me, this sounds like Mommy and Daddy shoved a bit too much religion down somebody's throat as a kid. The same way they say "I hate school because they make me do homework and the teachers are in charge of me," and "I hate my parents because they make me go to school and church." You don't like it because it represents someone else trying to be an authority in your life. I can come up with a hundred and one logical arguments against religion. Can you?

No man has authority over me unless I allow it (a guy's gotta make money somehow...). I don't like religion, but I don't feel the need to erupt at it, because I am not threatened by it. By the way, did you mention Islam, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or Paganism, or Rastafarianism? Does it make you sick that people used to believe in Odin, or Zeus, or Baal, or Amon-Ra? Does it bother you at all that some people believe in aliens, or ghosts, or even believe that the Great Old Ones of H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos are real? (funny story... Cthulhu and Dagon ARE mentioned in the Bible).

And I also feel the need to back myself up by saying I haven't once engaged in religious argument. I have engaged in logical arguments against religious arguments, which require using religious terminology, examples, and sources, and I have taken up against both sides not because I am religiously opposed to either side, but because both sides were being illogical. I am not involved in this. ::sneaks away::

EDIT ::sneaks back:: whose responsible for all this, anyway? Somebody set up us the bomb.
#548
General Discussion / Re: It's been 25 years..
Sat 10/12/2005 21:46:36
Well, technically, Jesus wasn't the bad influence. Almost every other world religion will say that Jesus was a spiffy guy, or a prophet, or an incarnation of the Buddha... Most atheists will point out that Jesus, although not really the son of God as he claimed, taught some cool stuff. The only problem was that Christians never listened to him.

And that has been my point throughout...

Plus, I think you'll find that John Lennon thought the same way.

#549
I'm not a conspiracy nut. But I do think it's fun to decrypt messages that aren't there...

Funny, you should mention it. If you search this site for "Ia, Ia, Shub Niggurath" or "Cthulhu fthagn," 99% of the posts are from me........

COINKYDINK? I think not.....
#550
General Discussion / Re: It's been 25 years..
Sat 10/12/2005 20:17:38
 ::)

Rharpe, I'm not attacking you. I'm not REALLY attacking your beliefs. What I'm attacking is the fact that you don't seem to make any sense. When you come into a thread that is supposed to be a tribute to John Lennon and make it a religious debate, it's your own damn fault when people jump on you. Contrary to your opinion, it isn't because you're sticking up for God. If you really WERE sticking up for God, then maybe I would have your back. And then, being obstinate and saying when people attack you that you feel like you must be doing something right... I guess that means Flukeblake (no offense intended, little bro) was really doing something right whenever people jumped on him.

And thanks for the link. I read it in it's entirety. I was going to prepare a rebuttal, since almost everything I read on there was based on what people say about the Bible rather than what it actually says for itself. But I won't bother. I'll just use that as a further argument. Why do you have to run to what other people have told you? Why can't you follow the exhortation of Scripture to "Be ye always ready to give an answer to any man that asketh thee a reason of the hope that is in thee with meekness and fear?" or "Study to shew thyself approved, a workman of God that needeth not to be ashamed?" Or follow the example of the Berean church where the Bible says in Acts "Now these (the Bereans) were more noble than those at Thessalonica, for they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so?"

Quote from: rharpe on Fri 09/12/2005 16:35:16
I'm not shitting on his grave!

Didn't that link you gave me say something in the second commandment about using swear words? Oh noes. If the Bible is right when it says that if you have offended in one point of the law, then you are guilty in all points, then you officially have been naked with Yoko Ono. And have robbed banks. And have had wild monkey sex with a large Nordic man named Sven. So leave John alone.

And it's all fine and dandy to sit back and say you're winning. But why don't you answer any of the things any of us have said, rather than just giving generalizations? BSpeers posted a VERY informational link (not t3h pr0n, even though that was a little TOO much information...). Andail said some interesting things, and so did Mr. Colossal. I quoted the Bible. YOU quoted men. How can you say you base your beliefs on the Bible, but when someone quotes it in a way you don't like you hole up with a link from the Catholic Let Us Tell You How To Think Foundation?

Think logically. Most people don't believe in the Bible. Alot of people don't even believe that the historical parts of it are accurate. Whether or not the Bible is true or fictitious is not what is being called on the carpet here. What is being said is, is it right for someone who claims to believe the Bible to say what you are saying. If the question was, "Is it okay to kill someone?" You could say, "No. The Bible commands us not to kill." Then, we could say either "The Bible is true, and I agree," or, "The Bible is not true, and I don't agree, but you probably shouldn't kill anybody, since your holy book tells you not to."

The question is not "Is what you are saying correct." It is not "Is the Bible true." It is, "Should someone who believes the way that you do have made the comment about John Lennon that he did?" No one is REALLY arguing religion. We are arguing whether or not what you said even makes sense according to your own beliefs. I have shown, using ONLY Bible verses and ideas that I could easily look up for you or quote, that no, it doesn't make sense for you to have said what you said. You have responded in turn something like this: "I don't care that the book I hold as my authority says it. Some guy in a robe told me it was true, so it is." I think everyone can agree, whether or not they believe the Bible is true, that if the Bible says what I have quoted it as saying (which, by the way, it does), then your arguments are, by your own belief system, illogical. Yet you persist, because a frocked old man with a white collar and a rosary gave you a website to look at that says otherwise.

Q "Should someone have said what you said about John Lennon that claims to believe the Bible?"

A "I believe the Bible, and no, based on the verses that Esper gave, it's obvious they shouldn't."
                                                             or
A "I don't believe the Bible, but based on the verses that Esper gave, it's obvious they shouldn't."

Both sides should technically agree with me. You don't. Why not just burn your damn Bible? It appears to be useless to you anyway. Oh wait, that's right, in 1229 AD the Bible was placed on the Catholic Forbidden Books list and not taken off until a century ago..

At this point in time, people might be wondering what the hell I am. Am I some Protestant trying to practice what the preacher-man was yelling at me in tent revival meeting? Am I an atheist that hates all religions and religionists? Am I the re-reincarnation of Jesus?

I was going to be a priest. I had enough seminary to have a doctorate in theology. However, because I had my own ideas and thought for myself, I was kicked out of seminary on charges of witchcraft. Then, I tried a Baptist college, thinking the opposite of Catholicism (Protestantism) might be what I was looking for. Guess what? The same goddamned thing happened. Just because I thought for myself and asked the wrong questions to the wrong professor. So if anyone has the right to say "I must be doing something right," based on your arguments, it must be me...
#551
Wow, Scavenger... Deepness incarnate...

I brought this to everyone's attaention because I had excessive amounts of fun trying to decrypt it. There was a lady in my homwetown who used to go into Starbucks with a magic marker. When she left, every newspaper had been "decrypted" a' la' "A Beautiful Mind." It was very odd. We used to look over all the newspapers and try to figure out exactly what she thought was going on. Thus, I figured this could prove interesting as well.

Scavenger has totally torn it apart.

wow...

I figured the numbers had something to do with it as well, and noticed the multiples you mentioned.... But what? And what exactly are the numbered letters referring to?
#552
General Discussion / Re: It's been 25 years..
Sat 10/12/2005 09:55:26
Of course, you're entitled to your own opinions. Everybody is. But when your opinions begin to involve other people (such as, "that person is wrong," or "that person is evil," or "that person is a bad influence") then there's where the problem comes in. Like I said in my post, you can believe that the earth is made of cheese. Far be it from me to try to dissuade you. However, if you said people who ate cheese were destroying something holy, and you got on a forum and said "People who eat cheese are of ::cue reverb:: SATAN!!!!" then you're out of line. If you got on and said "The world is made of cheese," then I might say "Thank you for that info, but I don't believe you're correct." However, if you were to say "The Big Bopper ate a lot of cheese in his lifetime, and so I'm glad he got in that plane crash so he could stop corrupting people's minds with all that cheeseeating," I would say, "Hey, cut that out. He might have eaten cheese, but you eat too many frickin' avocados. The world is made of avocados, don't you know?" And then I might also be tempted to say "And by the way, your very own Book of Cheese states that Cheezus had no tolerance for people who bothered the cheese eating populace, even though he never ate any himself."
#553
Young Ones is one of the best comedy shows ever, next to Monty Python's Flying Circus. I used to watch it in Junior High, and then I would go to school and all my friends would line up to hear me tell stories about the episodes. Even when a 15 year old kid is reciting back what happened in a show he didn't really understand,  it's still hilarious.

Alexei Sayle, the guy that played the landlord in Young Ones, is pretty famous from what I understand, but I'm not British. All I know is that he went on to play in a couple cameo roles in Doctor Who during the Colin Baker years. Doctor Who, although not any of it past Tom Baker, is in my opinion the Holy Grail of being on television. Brad Pitt sucks because he's never gotten to say "Everyone, into the TARDIS!"

Red Dwarf is another of the funniest shows ever. I love British comedy. All the "situation comedies" we have in America are lame attempts at poking fun of little things that happen in everyday life, but the British make fun of everything else, which is much funnier. How is Phoebe singing about how smelly a cat is funny? But then, when you have a human being that evolved from a cat dancing his way past evil alien soldiers and then trying to woo them when they catch him... well, THAT's funny.

And I like how every episode of Black Adder has a different theme song, to the same tune. Great stuff... And Mr. Bean... How could you forget Mr. Bean? (actually, no one seems to have forgotten Mr. Bean!) And then, us dimwitted Americans get a hold of that and make Bean, the Movie and wind up ruining it. For God's sake, they had Mr. Bean TALK! That's just not right! Rowan Atkinson even did a parody of Doctor Who, which, again, Holy-Grailinated him.

And, for more wondrous British humour, try The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy... But not the godforsaken American movie...
#554
General Discussion / Re: It's been 25 years..
Sat 10/12/2005 07:26:44
Look at all the people....

I don't see what all the fuss is about. So John Lennon was a bad influence. Who cares? So am I. So are you. So is everybody. You realize that when Jesus was around, he ate with the sinners, publicans, and harlots, and told the religious crowd they were a bunch of assclowns, right? He said "You jokers are attending mass, and giving tithes, and following the Law and the Prophets... I don't give a fetid pair of dingo's kidneys if you do all that if you aren't treating people right."

How is nudity pornography? If he was knocking her up, then yes, I would say that was pornography. By saying you or God have a problem with that cover is the same as saying that God created something bad. In reality, the Bible says that nothing is inherently evil... What is evil is evil because we make it so. Therefore, nudity is not bad... It's the response to that nudity. So it wasn't John and Yoko who were the sinful ones... If you have a problem with it, IT'S YOU! "Great peace have they which love the Lord, and nothing shall offend them..." The Bible might say to cover your nakedness, and that to look on someone's nakedness is a shame... It ALSO says that a woman is to cover her face, because that is a shame as well, and even though the Bible says a "woman's hair is her glory," THAT TOO needs to be covered, because otherwise it is a shame. So why don't you go slap your wife and tell her to get crackin' with the hats? Do you know any girls that wear their hair in braids? Or that wear earrings, or silver? Or that eat meat and drink milk in one sitting? You know what the Bible says about that, don't you??? I know there is an argument to that, but my point is, why is there an argument to these supposedly "petty" things, but not to nudity? What makes them different? Why are you so afraid of one while you completely allow the others?

Furthermore, along those same lines, there is no such thing as a bad influence. There is, however, a call for bad influences. To go back to the conversation about Jack Thompson... People make video games like GTA because PEOPLE WANT THEM, not because they are trying to corrupt people! Again, if John Lennon is a bad influence, it's because people already have a preexistant state of badness that they want influenced, and hop on the Lennon bandwagon (however it was again that he's a bad influence. You still never seemed to explain that one)...

If you want a bad influence, look at the Church. The Crusades were not a Holy War by any means. The ongoing conflict in Ireland between the Protestants and the Catholics is another thing. How about the Witch Trials? What about the Inquisition (nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!)? What about Roman martyrdom of Protestants during the first couple centuries of the church? Ever read Foxe's Book of Christian Martyrs? What about all the diddling of wee laddies that's been going on here lately, and the covering up and protection of the priests involved by the papacy? Oh yeah, great influences. Yet you have a problem with a man that preferred to have sex over killing people. And why? Because you think the Bible is against people who are immoral?

I think it's interesting to note that the person Jesus said had more faith than anyone else he'd seen in all of Jerusalem was a homosexual (look it up in the Greek... the word "servant" doesn't mean "butler..."). Also, didn't Jesus say he'd rather leave behind 99 religious people to save one person who was a sinner? Where do you see Jesus condemning the woman at the well? Or the woman taken in idolatry? Or Zacchaeus, the theiving tax collector? Or the thief and murderer on the cross next to him? On the other hand, how many times did Jesus call the religious crowd "Vipers," "Asps," "a Generation of serpents???"

I'm sorry. I prolly just angered all the religious AND nonreligious people in this forum. Dammit... But it needed to be said. I, like Farlander, don't have a problem with religions or people, but I have a problem with people who lack logic. Examine the following syllogism:

1. The Church is founded on the Bible.

2. The Bible says that all men are sinners. "There is none righteous, no not one." "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." "They are alltogether gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable." "All your righteousness is as filthy rags." However, the pope, a man, claims that he is the mouthpiece of God on this earth. Just because he said so, apparently, makes it true, and people begin following a man who says everything that comes out of his mouth is ex cathedra.

3. The Church is therefore not following the book it is supposedly founded on.

Isn't that illogical, and hypocritical? You know what (I think I've used this example before, so bear with me)... I'm going to start a religion based on the Lord of the Rings. My first action as founder of said religion is to elevate myself to the position of Dark Lord, and I shall name myself Samwise Gamgee. You don't think my followers will see the discrepancy there, do you?

I have said it before, I appreciate the fact that people have the strength to stand by their beliefs, no matter what those beliefs might be. However, when you start being illogical about it, you lose me. You can believe that the world is made of cheese... I know differently, but you can believe it if you want to. However, when you look in the Book of Cheese and it says the world is made of Bleu Cheese, but you insist it is made of sharp cheddar, then I have a problem with you. YOUR holy book, that YOU say is the very word of God, says one thing, and you believe another just because generations of imperfect human men have said that is the way it is... THAT is why I was smart enough to drop religion like the sack of hot shite it is years ago. John Lennon was a good guy. Alot better than Pope Leo, who wrote the Enchiridion, a book of ceremonial magick for the use of the Jesuits that involves the invocation of demons. Alot better than that one Catholic there... what was his name... Oh yeah, Adolph Hitler... Alot better than the present pope, Joey Ratz, who was a member of youth for Hitler and whom John Paul II made head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (the 'modern' version of the Holy Office of the Inquisition). At least John Lennon knew what he believed without having to be told.

**Esper gets ready to become the least popular person in the forums, bravely saving Kinoko from the same fate**

EDIT: And what do you mean, they couldn't strip him? Is that based on the Bible, or some painting that some guy made that shows Jesus wearing a loincloth just because he didn't feel right drawing the Divine Weiner? Tradition strikes again...

Matthew 27:27-31
Ã,  "Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers. And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe. And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head. And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him (he's naked again), and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him. "

Later on, while he's still alive, the soldiers part his garments amongst them... It was, after all, Roman custom to strip people completely naked who were being crucified.

#555
Well, there goes my point. I could care less whether or not you were being sarcastic... It just sounded right... :P

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
#556
Critics' Lounge / Re: BG c&c yo rly!
Fri 09/12/2005 12:34:16
Right now, your window is just a piece of glass set into a hole cut out in the wall. There is no way to open it. Put it inside its own frame, complete with locking mechanism. Alot of the houses I've seen, living in New England until only recently, have crossbars running through them (I think it's to make the sections of window smaller to better protect them from breaking out in inclement weather).

Pretty much, add a secondary inner frame to the pane of glass itself...

EDIT: I just tried doing one in MSPaint with a mouse.... I couldn't. Once I get home, I'll Dogwaffle it with my tablet.... Unless someone beats me to it.

EDIT EDIT: Here it is. It still sucks, but at least it sucks less. I didn't do this for good art, but to show you what I meant by "crossframe."


#557
Critics' Lounge / Re: BG c&c yo rly!
Fri 09/12/2005 11:59:19
Why not try setting a crossframe into it?
#558
But see, that's the thing... No links to anything, no idea of what they were trying to sell.... JUST PLAIN SPAM! No purpose to it, they seem to have been just spamming.... spam. Everything else is for something... Home loans, p3n1sh enlargement, drugs, warez.... not this... Just random sentences of uselessness. What you see here is what you get.




Which was literally nothing at all.
#559
I just got this in the body of an email sent from a Ms. Liz Titor (apparently mother of internet phenomenon and time-traveller, John Titor)...

Does it actually mean something, or what? Is there a secret code hidden in this, or did someone just smoke too much pot last night?



Hello timothy.hendricks@bigfoot.com,
(This is not my email adress, or even close to it... )


In this new season, new hoty stuff has come up.

THE PARENT arrived back on the scene. She gave me a tape by Dr. Laura Meyers
from UCLA. I listened to that tape eight times. I listened over and over and
heard the same thing again and again. Ms. Meyers said, 'These kids may need to
hear a word many times (perhaps 72 times) before they ever say a word. A
computer can be patient and say it the same way every time.' Now I understood. I
was not patient enough. I did not allow the student to hear the words over and
over. I was interrupting their learning by interjecting, when they were totally
engrossed in what they were doing. I was asking questions they were not ready to
answer. They were just learning language. They didn't have the answers yet..

Do those gardners regret walking carefully?.

today i need to goto the store. .

I made my original programs available to the teachers around me. They were
getting the same kind of success. I finally decided I had to make my noun
program available to teachers and parents around the nation. We have been
working on it for over 2 years. Many of you have waited patiently. Thank you for
your patience..

EDWARDS: ... more negative attacks -- aren't you sick of it?.

The musicians have missed playing since a few days ago..

I could go on and on, but I won't. We have many programs the children love. But
I would give them ALL up to keep my BORING noun program. I thank THE PARENT
daily for her insight..

That farmer is not missing reading..

That flight attendant is not missing playing below the bridge at this exact
moment..

She has disliked cooking for a day or two..

10. Ninety six bottles of beer, three a's, three b's, one c, two d's, thirty six
e's, three f's, two g's, seven h's, eleven i's, one j, one k, six l's, one m,
twenty n's, twelve o's, one p, one q, six are's, twenty eight s's, nineteen t's,
seven v's, seven w's, six x's, and five y's on the wall..

lets goto mcdonalds soon. we can get a hamburger or too..

Those janitors aren't missing sleeping right now..

Lawrence had already liked dancing..

Some store clerks like working in London..

Have you practiced jumping yet?.

Get back to you later,
Dr. Brown



WTF??????????? Does this mean something in an alien language suspiciously close to English?
#560
General Discussion / Re: Oh no What happen?
Fri 09/12/2005 07:40:33



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