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The second pic on this page is as far as this should have gone. The newer backgrounds are some of the best I've seen for a standard room, but the character won't fit in them. You guys have essentially taken a Roger Rabbit and taken him out of Toontown.

Although, I must admit, for the style of game (you said survival horror/zombies, right?) the more lighting (and more SHADOWS) the greater the atmosphere. I would work on the character now to make him conformable to the room, and don't skip on the tinting effects. Walking to the light, the character should turn yellowish. Walking near the window should make him turn a little violet, and up in the corner, he should be tinted fairly dark. If you can make the character fit this room, and do tinting properly, this will be the game to look for...

It WAS pretty damn slick, wasn't it? Don't worry though, Fluke. I'm getting used to ya. Otherwise, my first post would have been simply...

"Oh, you mean like this? GUESS THS CHARACTER!11!!eighteen!!1!" Followed by the offending pic of Sonic the Tardhog.

Don't worry, pal. To tell you the truth, I think you have gained some degree of acceptance around here just by sticking around so long and through so much. Don't screw it up by getting all emotional when people jank you. Janking is fun. A very wise man (myself) once said, "If you can't laugh at yourself, you ought to just kick yourself in the nuts and be done with it..." I also once said "Go with the flow, joker."

Welcome aboard. Seriously. This wasn't an attack on you, but a "josh," whatever the hell a "josh" is. As in "I'ma just joshin' ya, Fluke!" When people start "joshing" (dammit, I need to stop using that word) it means they don't mind you so much anymore. As a matter of fact, I've only been around here about six months or so myself. DG wasn't complimenting me by saying "well played, slick." It was sarcastic. He prolly still enjoyed the hell out of it, and it wasn't bad-natured sarcasm... I think... But it was sarcasm nonetheless.

You've done a tough thing, wee cracker. Most of us here are 18-25, some even older. What you've done is the equivalent of a white kid going to an all black school and joining the local chapter of the West Side Posse. You stick out like a sore thumb, but you're in...

AND BY THE WAY, congratulations on actually starting a thread to benefit the community. Just because the idea was turned down doesn't mean it wasn't a good idea (it would have just been hard to work out a workable format for the forums).

Now, if someone says "You suck and I hate you, muhfuggah," then yeah, get upset. But good-natured jos.... ummmmmmm.... Well, you get the picture.

Normally, the games that have this type of effect on me are RPG's, because the stories get so deep and involving. I think the first game that ever got any kind of emotional response from me was Lunar: The Silver Star, followed by Lunar: Eternal Blue, both on Sega CD. When I played the Playstation versions not too long ago, the feeling I got wasn't "nostalgia," it was more of, "I feel like I'm home again."

and any advice to get me further down that road will make me rock out with my cock out...

Wait a minute... No more advice for you...

Think it through, though... How can you make this last a fortnight?

Guess who this game character is.



"That's Sonic the Hedgehog..."

Okay, that phase of the activity is over. How would you make it last a fortnight? Would you have everyone wait two weeks and then post who they think it is? What happens if more than one person gets it? You can't give it to the first to answer, because that's unfair to the people from multiple time zones. What do you do when no one can come up with a suitable character anymore? If I run out of ideas, can i use my level 24 Dwarven Hunter from World of Warcraft? Can I choose Jessica from Lunar: the Silver Star (one other person on these forums might know who I'm talking about) or Mai from True Love (a hentai game)?

Even if you were able to come up with a set of rules that somehow, miraculously, gave everyone a fair chance to win and could successfully last a fortnight, you would still face the consequences of putting the loose term "game characters" up for a varied group of people with very variable tastes, interests, and experiences.

The only way for this to work is, like Gil and I both said, to let the winner of a comp decide to use it for one session of that comp. Even then, I'm not sure how it would work.

"Draw a distorted game character." Who wins that one? There is no guessing involved.

It's a good idea, just not a practical one.

It IS a good idea, but only temporarily. We would run out of things after not too long, and interest would drop right off. Good idea, yeah. I don't necessarily agree with Gil. It isn't worth making into a thread because it would be too short lived. He might have had a point, though... If you can win a competition, take it over as this type of game for a week or two. Or, if you don't think you can win, maybe a winner will read this thread and think it's a good idea and implement it.

Yeah, I totally agree... They both look almost exactly like the art in Shadowrun / Rifts / GURPS sourcebooks. I like the style of the heavier ink rather than the lighter one on the bottom, especially when the one on the bottom maintains the stark black... a little too much contrast there. The designs are cool and unique. Do I see a hint of Final Fantasy X in the guy's duster on the top pic?

There are only two real critiques I can give here. First off, the orc-looking guy looks like he's holding two candy corns in his bottom lip. The tusks look like they are just pasted on to the outside of his face, rather than coming out of the mouth. Contour the lip to fit them, and maybe put some bumps in the lower jaw that show where they are rooted.

For the top guy, the picture might be a little too noisy for me to be able to pick up much in the way of critiquable instances there, but one thing I noticed was the cybernetic hand. The angle at which the fingers are bent looks as though he's getting ready to deliver a martial arts palm blow to the inside of his own thigh. Each knuckle needs to be bent at closer to a ninety degree angle. Right now, it looks like that hand is folded in half, rather than being balled up in a fist.

Other than that, premium work.

Wow... I don't think I've ever seen one of these things in C&C come along so far. Normally people change one little thing and never touch it again.

Sorry about the outlet comment... In America, outlets are so big, they look like someone painted a light socket that covered their buttocks and then smooshed their buttocks against the wall... Not only that, but they normally come in groups of two. For both those reasons I passed completely over it.

The hinges were a good idea. Traveler had a good idea, as well, about shading the backfaces of the boxes. Not just the boxes, and not just the backfaces... Everything needs it's backface shaded, and the side facing the viewer should also be shaded a slightly lighter color than the backface. With the source of light you have (one uncovered bulb hanging in the middle of the room) one might expect the shadows to be a little more stark. The shadow of the bed is right, because the light is hanging directly above it, and I like how you've shaded the other objects in the room to corespond with the direction the light is coming from. However, I think, just as the shadow of the matress is short, that the shadow of, say, the far box, should reach up to the wall!

And lastly, think about shading the corners of the rom farthest away from the light. Lights like that (smaller wattage, most likely) have a short falloff distance, and the corners of the room would be darker than the area of the room closest to the light. Maybe someone with more skill in lighting techniques could show you... Maybe also this could be one of the rare times when a gradient could be used (maybe an overlay of the room, gradiented darker as it got closer to the outer edge of the room, gradiented to alpha as it got closer to the light, with the center of the gradient being the light source... Then you could alpha the result... Just an idea, but I know gradients are frowned upon, especialy in low-res graphics.

EDIT: I think there should only be three wires hanging from the ceiling... A positive wire, a negative wire, and a ground... But I'm no electrician, and I'm probably wrong.

The only way to successfully redeem this room, in my opinion, and still manage to keep it empty and looking like the guy just moved in, is to add a whole lot more to the nothing. Remember in The Neverending Story, how the Nothing was destroying everything? That's what a whole lot of nothing does.

You need to put cracks in the plaster. You need to put rafters in the ceiling. You need to put unopened boxes that have "BEDROOM" written all over them in thick black marker. You need to have light switches, power outlets, radiator, hot water pipes running up a corner (or at least a little square chunk of wall that could be COVERING said pipes), something outside the window... If there is not going to be any blinds or curtains, still put hangars or curtain rods up. What about a closet?

And the room is MUCH too tall. MUCH too tall, indeed. Cut that joker down by about one third... there is not even a full foot of wall space above the door and window in my bedroom.

Then, you might want to think about what else might have been left in a house if this is not a brand-spankin'-new house. If someone else has lived in it, they would have left stuff. Notably, thigs like nail holes or spackle on the wals, ripped-off corners of posters, maybe a bookshelf with one shelf left in it, tilted at an angle. Stains on the carpet.

What might the main character need with him on his first night in the house? He has a Coke, a plate of food, a matress, and something that looks like a Big Blue Cup that has been spilled. I would also think he might need a blanket, a pillow, a space heater or fan, and a book. Maybe he even has a little TV on the floor in the corner...

Oh, wait... but what would he plug it into? ...

At least, if he's not going to have sheets, put some kind of stain or a design on that matress. Pinstripes and floral designs are big on matresses that don't have a fitted sheet covering them.

Dammit... you're right. Well, I got confused because the people at the masochism convention were attacking other people... I guess Harry was just making believe he was a masochist so Flabboney wouldn't kill him, and thus got in with the mob and found out about their plan...

Yeah. That works...

 Flabboney's masochistic tendencies have driven him to the ultimate form of masochism: Omnicide (the killing of everything). Through some inexplicable method (e is a mafia don, he could get the money if he so chose) Flabboney has gotten himself a nuclear warhead and is dropping it on whatever city Harry and his brother are from. Harry is a masochist, not a sadist, and as such has no desire to die. Therefore, he has gotten his brother with the help of said unamed assailant to get him out of the country.

And why did they "need his intelligence?" Maybe Flaboney has more up his sleeve?

Makes sense now?

Allright, let's wake this sleeping beast up.

Here's a recap of the story so far:

Harry's brother refuses to go on a surprise world tour with him. However, when Susie Dorkins of the Inland Revenue calls, he instantly changes his mind. That change is of little pertinance, however, as Harry and an unnamed assistant come and kidnap him, knocking him out and putting him in the back of their cruise van. Suzie Dorkins persists in calling Harry's brother, and Harry discovers his brother's problem when he picks up the phone of his unconscious sibling. Meanwhile, Suzie decides the only way to get Harry's brother to pay his taxes is by hunting him down. When all logical methods seem to be unavailable due to Inland Revenue cutbacks, she decides to do this herself. Falling victim to yet another IR cutback, she and Walter, the maintenance man, are forced to travel by Burro. When Harry's brother wakes up, tied up in the back of the van, he inquires to Harry about what is going on. He must travel around the world, he explains, and apparently wants his more intelligent brother to plan and possibly finance it. We learn that Harry was always the baby in the family, constantly whining about everything. Why this amazing risk, then? Harry explains:

He had been walking down the street on a dark evening when a poorly conceived code word gets him mistaken as a gangster, and he is led by a Paizon to the mob hideout. He opens the door (which, for some reason, Haddas is convinced required an unusual feat of strength) and is shocked to see people being beaten. He wonders why, when suddenly a soggy ball of toilet paper hits him. He turns to see the culprit, Mob boss Joey (whatever happened to Luigi) Flabboney, apparent moderator of Maso-Con 2005, a masochist convention. Brainwashed by the Masomob, Harry begins his own masochistic trek across the globe, indulging his newfound tendencies, with a (possible gangster) assistant and his kidnapped brother, who is all the while being chased (on burro) by Suzie Dorkins of the IR.

EDIT: That having been said, I claim the next frame as my own... My... preciousssssssss.....

AND HERE IT IS!

Actually, it was mildly interesting for a moment, but arguing online never yields any result whatsoever. Everyone who is stupid will continue to be stupid, regardless of the fact that 3,072 people said they were.

Hrmmm... Sorry , Krysis, I just thought it was funny. No offense meant. You're a better artist than I ever will be.

I tried to draw a little mock up of exactly where the ass would be if you hadn't ever changed the initial drawing. Note that the little line between the legs... which may very well have been the ass line if you hadn't drawn a complete seperate pair of floating, disembodied buttocks, makes them too far apart.



The pic on the side shows how the torso goes directly into the bitticks, and the bottom shows how legs go directly into the bitticks. It's a seamless, symbiotic relationship. The legs and torso share the posterior. Sorry about the quality, I'm at work and only had Paint and no tablet...

EDIT: I'm sorry, I had to...

This lesson in assmastery brought to you by Esper...

While we're waiting for Bluke (you've already surpassed the time limit, so hurry up!) I was wondering if there was anywhere someone could put all the pages in order, without the banter in the thread... Could we maybe sticky a thread which is JUST the comic?

What the.... Krysis? What's wrong with you? The ass is actually growing again, and now, it looks like Guybrush is giving the monkey a friggin' prolapsed rectum, as the bottom of the bitticks is poking out PAST the leg!

Also, the right hand looks like it's turned around 180 (that line looks like the line you might draw to show the thumb crossing the palm, rather than a knuckle as I'm sure you intended).

The tail of the monkey also looks like you green-screened it in... the line is too thick and it looks totally like an afterthought (which, in fact, it was...)

And lastly... The monkey is Korean.

Yes... Korean...

It is custom in Korea, and many other eastern countries, to point with the chin, rather than the finger, as one beckons to a dog with his fingers...

I said all that to say this... The monkey's chin is jutting out TO THE EXTREME (i rock a mic like a vandal)... It actually looked more realistic and less forced when the monkey's head was down...

EDIT: I'm sorry, I have to say this...

You really need to work on your assmastery...

This is why you shouldn't play FPS?


I propose changing the title of this thread to "This is why you shouldn't be a c*nt," or, "This is why your parents, friends, and neighbors should beat the hell out of you on a common and repeated basis..."

Actually, if I had been the first poster, I would have said something along the lines of "WTF is this? Pasta-what? You're an idiot..." But it seems as though others took it and ran with it, so why not join in?

It was written in the Sierranomicon, by the Mad Developer Roberta al-Williams, that one would come that would harness the power of the Great Old Games and unleash their greatness on the developing world. Thus was formed the Esoteric Order of AGS, that they might await the awakening of this slumbering god from his halls below the earth. Darth-Mandarb is the Gate, and through his Big Blue Cup shall Great Christhulhu be awoken. And the earth shall tremble at the games that shall be unleashed upon it.

It's true... However, to be perfectly honest (and fair), alot of the bad press for PA has come from writers that weren't happy with the fact that PA didn't market their books, which they clearly state that they don't do.

However, you don't have to be Tolkien to get into PA. Just for kicks, an editor at P&E wrote the self-proclaimed "worst story in the world," and it was selected. Another person, after having been displeased with PA, wrote a second book which was just the original, only containing several pages of the exact same thing typed over and over again for kicks... It was also promptly accepted.

My own book has several errors in spelling that the editors "conveniently" skipped, and a couple grammatical errors that I can prove were not in the original.

Therefore, it is a lousy service. However, rather than paying 800-1200 dollars for vanity publishing houses like Trafford, you can see your book in print for absolutley free, and get it listed in Barnes and Noble and Amazon, and get it an ISBN, and have a custom cover designed for it. I guess you could say Publish America is the best crappy publisher in the world...