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The original shading lit up the face better but didn t correspond to the lightsource. Ofcourse, the lightsource could be moved, but this sort of shadows are more interesting imo.

But Elaine's eyes ARE really that large in the real Monkey Island games. He was just copying.

Honestly I think loom's drawing could use some more understatements.

Since this makes no sense what so ever, I m assuming that you re still holding a grudge against me for criticising your movie.

If you feel the need to vent your anger further, then message me if you must, and spare the lounge your frustration.

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What needs most attention is the face and shoulders/neck imo.

Make sure that you don t make the eyes too large; there should be an eye s width between the eyes to fit the standard ideal. Also, make sure that the hairline isn t too low.

"and could really use some understatements rather than ensuring that even a 4 year old will be able to follow" the plot.

Clear enough for you?

Think both ideas could work really well, however I find the first one too pathetic (especially the music) to be enjoyable, and could really use some understatements rather than ensuring that even a 4 year old will be able to follow.

I m sorry if this came across as harsh, but I m irritated by the fact that so many independant movies are spoiled by this.

This ofcourse is only my opinion and, as it seems from the posts so far, indeed only my opinion.

About the fade: I tried a complete fade in before but I found a subtle fade, from soft to loud, to sound best, though the present fade is clouded by the incoming violin harmonics and viola tremolo, and perhaps too subtle.

The "pad", for the record, is two female soprano and one alto section singing 'oos' (I like to keep it acoustic, no pads etc).

About the reverb: the strings already have hallreverb applied to them, so I m reluctant to add any further, since it ll become too appearant.

About the releases: the samples also already have releases (which were recorded, no fake) so they shouldn t really lack any, although I noticed a gap between two chords, but otherwise I don t find them too seperated atm.

About the string volume: The loud part is too loud I agree, but the other parts are fine imo. I like fairly loud strings so the timber is really audible (too low will make them more smooth-pad like).

Appreciate the comments though.

Edit: Modified version:

About 700 kb

Some pretty sloppy modifications taking it in a slightly different direction:

Edit: Added the new modified version

First modification (about 700 kb)

Second modification (still about 700 kb)

The score (a nonplayable midifile)

Edit: Scorelink fixed

It s made in akai format only to my knowledge but can be converted to any using cdxtract or similar.

Most descent samplecd retailers have it, and it s quite common in alternative sources as well.

Pretty nice library, although quite old (small instrumentsizes) and the decision to provide only bends in forte velocity drags it down further.

Edit: Nice tune btw

Glad you found it helpful.

Didn t use any constructionlines when I did it, but they re easily added.



Here s the cel shaded frame (somewhat cleaned up):

how have you done to make the lines that clean,

Not sure if they re very clean, but I would guess it s a matter of doing single strokes instead of multiple (I stink at them though so I have to redo the longer ones about 10 times (just keep your hand on ctrl-z and keep going until it looks decent)). The varying thickness can be difficult do achieve without a tablet, but is  fairly easy when using curves.

Some pretty sloppy modifications:



I removed the rings simply because I don t like jewelry.

(and yes, the hair looks crap).

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Some things to consider:

(i) A nose that is too small will just look weird, not make it cuter.
(ii) Eyes that are so large that the distance between them is less than an eye s width will make the model uglier.
(iii) The ears should be roughly the size of the distance between the eyebrosw and the ears.
(iv) The upper gap in the upper lip should correspond to the size of the lowest part of the center of the nose.
(v) The pupil is rarely larger than about half of the iris size.
(vi) The eyewhites are rarely larger vertically than about 75% of the iris. (if the whole iris is visable, the character will look scared or surprised).

can you explain cell-shaded style?

Originally a cel layer with a one/multiple tone of shade on it used in traditional animation. Used nowadays mostly when speaking of 3d objects that are rendered with a single tone of shade, such as in the latest Zelda game.

do you all agree that simpler shading would be better and would give better depth?

Single tone shade doesn t give better depth per se, only in comparison to gradiental shades that doesn t take the shape of the object properly into account.

The head in the original version for instance has the same shading as a flat cylinder. The actual shape of the head, as suggested by the outline, doesn t correspond to this at all, which causes the head to look flat, or perhaps like bulging flat surface.

How did you do it and what program did you use.

Can do what I did in mspaint really. Just drew the two tones over the gradients.

The outlines are very nice, but these kind of gradients only flattens the image in my opinion and plainly looks bad unless done carefully (Igor manages to pull it off very nicely).

Personally I d go for a cellshaded style or proper shading.

Sloppy modification:

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Remember that the sky will work as a colored lightbulb and that everything that can t be seen from the lightsource should be in shadow.

(most of the the side of the trees facing us can t be seen from the main lightsource (the moon) and is only lit up by the sky and reflected light).

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Style s consistently great.

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Some femenising modifications:



Some femenin features:

(i) Full eyelashes
(ii) Vertically centered eyes
(iii) Small nose
(iv) Full mouth
(v) Large pelvis

Like mr masse, I took him for a girl.

Here re some edits to make him more masculine and fix the pelvis area which was too short:



Masculizing features:

(i) Thicker eyebrows
(ii) Smaller eyes
(iii) Barely visable eyelashes
(iv) Squarish features
(iv) Smaller head (hairdo)

The anatomy n such looks good but there s a lack of depth.

Added a quick, perhaps somewhat strong, shadow:

Using reverb and panning is like placing instrumentalists on a stage. Panning sets their left to right location, and reverb their front to back position.

Having the whole ensemble in the backrow will create a distant sound, which I agree isn t preferable, but to give depth, some need to be further back than others.

I suggest you position the instruments/sections individually if possible, both pan wise and reverb wise, which will give depth and breadth and add realism.

About the snaredrum, I d simply put it further back (in a standard symphonic orchestra setting the percussion section is placed on the backrow).

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The character and style is most excellent btw.