Messages

Is that a shield? Or you are carrying just a trashcan's lid?

Is that a baby you're carrying? Or you're just fat?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Even Bambi throws better insults than you!

Miguel, I think what Khris means is that your choice of agreeing/disagreeing with parts of Bible or Pope's opinion is like extracting parts of the house wall and still assuming roof will not fall down no matter what.

Why do you believe in God? Because you saw him? Or because Bible, or Pope, or Christians (parents, friends) taught you? If it is the latter, meaning you get this belief from the book, how do you decide which parts may be questioned and which not? I think that's most important question here.

Well, Crimson, thanks for explaining what Khris means, it's becoming repetitive: people putting cold water on the steaming pot.
My choice on the matters regarding the Bible or the Vatican is a concious decision and it doesn't make me less of a believer.
A man doesn't have to read the Bible every day or travel to Saint Peter Square to believe in God.

For the second part of your questions, let's say that I never saw God to begin with. But I believe in God because it is/was the most natural decision I had to make in my life. It's like breathing to me. Being born in a Catholic country had a major influence, of course. But it was never imposed on me. It felt right and it still does.
Through the life of Jesus I found and experienced immense love towards life and other people and the most important lesson of all: not to judge others based on race, creed or sexual behaviour.
How do I decide witch parts of the Bible or the Vatican may be questioned? Well, I decide what to question based on my own life. It's a concious decision.
Jesus never told anybody that a book would be the law and that there would be a pope that could decree this and that.
This doesn't mean that I do not respect the Catholic Church, in fact, as members, it is our duty to "change" mentalities whenever old dogmas keep holding the wheel. The church is alive, it's the joint faith of many. But we are all humans with big flaws and we surely did mistakes, and will again.

So, the most important question according to you has a simple answer: the Catholic Church is more than the Bible or the Vatican, it's the sum of all Catholics faith. People who think for themselves and chose to believe.

Khris,
Why don't you realize that the world is full of people with different opinions and beliefs?
That shouldn't be that hard if you remove "crap" from your thoughts on others.
You say you don't get it. Because you just don't.

If you want to understand others you first have to cut down the attitude that you are right about whatever knowledge you think you possess.
Start to be humble with yourself first.
You posted a pretty clever cartoon the other day, but you fail to understand its meaning.

And why do you fail to see that Christians are capable of questioning their symbols, to interpret them in different ways and even question their faith?
It's all a matter of choice.
Christians are aware that there's not a Bible written every year, they are aware of who wrote it and to whom it was directed.
Christians are also aware of the other gospels that aren't part of the bible.

Regarding Gay marriage and gay relations:
to a Catholic like me, the teachings of Jesus are above all, meaning that while it's written on the Bible or the Vatican issues a statement against gay relations, I am capable of loving gay people and gay relationships as I would do with "straight" couples.
I am also capable of understanding why the Vatican is against gays. I can agree or disagree and still be guilty free if I don't follow exactly their way.
To you this sounds like contradiction, to us is just how things evolve.

My fighting prowess is famous throughout the land!

But you should know that Neverland is just a fable!

------------------------------------------------------------------

Even clowns get scared by your ridiculous moves!

Thank you Snarky, and one doesn't have to be religious to acknowledge that.
For some people, truth is something so important to them that they'll loose the ability to move on.

The world would be so much the better place if folks would just laugh it off and move on.

Indeed, Baron.
Or if we could be Peter Griffin once in a while.

Hi Rolando, congratulations on your first game!

I enjoyed the atmosphere of your game, the music helped here. I used to play/read rpg books when I was a young kid and your game reminded me of it in a good way.
There's also a feeling of rogue rpgs in it. A map would do wonders to the game.
I'd have liked to be able to own a inventory with potions, weapons and that sort of things.
I always did 17 damage, is that a fixed hit because we're using a knife? You should come up with a different formula.
Get somebody to help you with English, I found a lot of typos.

I think you are in the right path and I really enjoyed your short demo.
Good luck with it!

Now here's something we can talk about: you think that we are more than just molecules, correct? Why?

Now, Khris, this is not how it works. First you answer my questions.
How do you deal with the possibility of nothing?

Why would humans be independent from the laws of physics? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

Well, I imagine that in the grand scale of cosmos, planet Earth is less than a grain of dust. And just like what happens to sub-atomic molecules where laws of physics do not apply, there is the possibility that humans and our planet escape the same laws of physics considering the same quantum principle.

Hehehehehe!
That sums me up, alright! A boner or Religion...

Interesting...In a bad way!

Atelier, interesting. Actually it's not.
It fails to fill my thirst for knowledge about the beginning of the universe. I still want to know more, even if you (most people) tell me that it is irrelevant.
It also kind of chains people into the belief that only things where the laws of physics can apply do matter/ are relevant.
I am not satisfied with this explanation at all. I think men and women are much more than apples falling on the head.

You didn't disagree, you kind of told me how far the BigBang theory goes/starts. You actually prefer to not consider a "before".
I start to conclude that not considering equals nothing.

Still no reason to just make stuff up though.

This was unnecessary.

Why are you bringing this up?

Because I want to know how non religious deal with the possibility of nothing. I am not bringing god to the subject, please.

Edit: Okay, this last phrase didn't sound right, but can we discuss this without you assuming that I am trying to convince you of anything?

Edit:
Hawking.
The other guy is called Dawkins.

Thanks.

Khris, regarding the questions I raised I did not consider god into the equation.
All I asked was pretty simple.
I took the Big Bang theory as a start and since scientists can't go beyond that 0 period and because they consider it "the zero period" in time, then it is safe to say that there was nothing before the Big Bang.

Interesting. I feel the same.
I'd love to hear from people here that support Hawkins "nothing" theory.

The last time you scored was in a game of tiddlywinks.

Oh, Yeah?

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that foam in your mouth or do you really shave your tongue?

Basically, what you can do is take the physical laws and calculate backwards in time until you've reached a point before the big bang.

I knew that, like most of us here sure know it. I'm not trying to be a wise-guy here.
What I mean is that we all assume that the BigBang theory is right, we (me included) take it as certain.
But we cannot study what was right before it because the data we get through observation and maths calculation returns zero. Or nothing. And so (some) scientists say that before the Big Bang there was nothing.
So, can we prove that there was nothing before the Big Bang or we don't know and assume that there was nothing?
Anyway, it's interesting that you want to believe that there is more to the universe than we scientifically know, you want to believe that there was "something" before the BigBang and "something" "outside" of what we scientifically know.

but I am happy to accept that these thoughts are born from a need to be able to answer questions that are (for now and maybe for ever) beyond human understanding

I agree with you Stu, and I stopped quoting you before you went on mentioning gods. My understanding of things is that we humans will forever try to disclose what's happening here beyond our short lives. We never in our lives consider ourselves to be a mere dust in the universe. We, as individuals question things that are really far from the boundaries of what we can see. I believe that that is part of being human.

It sure is incredibly difficult or maybe even impossible to really know what happened before the BigBang. But my questions weren't about gods.
I can relate better with the notion that the BigBang was the immediate start of a universe that had extinguished the immediate moment before. A tiny portion of almost nothing giving birth to another one that reproduces itself makes sense to me.
A cycle makes more sense to me than the idea of nothing. I can't comprehend nothing.
Problem, some scientist do try to prove or understand what happened or what was before the Big Bang. No gods again, here. If they are "serious" or not that's out of my league.

That's a cool cartoon, Khris. I guess we all should learn from it in a positive way.
I wanted to ask you guys this for a long time and never got the chance:

- Are you comfortable with the scientific notion that before the Big Bang there was nothing? Literally nothing. Does that "compute" fine in your minds? I know it can be explained by extremely intelligent guys but does it really make sense to you?
- Quantum stuff... how big is planet Earth in the cosmos? Can we relate our size in the cosmos to the size required to experience quantum effects as studied today on sub-atomic levels? If so, is it possible that we (the planet) can simply shift position, disappear and reappear on a different location? Can it happen without us being aware? Can it happen, period?
- The fact that the outcome of quantum experiences is different IF we are "looking" at it or not, does it raises the question: If planet Earth doesn't change position (we watch the skies since the Sumerian, at least) as it was never reported so, is something watching us or not watching us?

I feel sorry for your brain, all small and alone in that big fat head of yours!

You, above all, shouldn't talk about fat, at least I can see my sausage!

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your moves are as thrilling as watching Driving Miss Daisy on slow motion!

Yeah, Stupot! We are totally desapointed, man!

And now I've ruined the flow of this thread!
Shame on you Stupot!