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Thanks for AGS, CJ!
Thank you everybody at the forums
Merry Christmas

Stupot, people 2000 years ago were not that stupid. In fact, around that time, the place was packed with people saying they were the new messiah.
Check your history books, Plato was way older than Jesus, dude!
All the best to you guys!
Now I am off!

This post is prior to Stupots one:

You make me coming back for more, Nacho!
If people don't drink and drive or drive carelessly accidents would not happen so much, it has nothing to do with God or Jesus.
Don't expect God to fix things like road accidents. The notion that God is an entity that comes to earth and fixes things like a brocken bridge is wrong. God tells you of a path, a way to be.
Evangelization is a recent fact, Nacho. The "happenings" we are talking about are far older than that, in fact, some say they are as old as man with a brain.
People did that to Nigeria, Darfur, etc... Not God. God is not Super-Man, he is fictional.
And, please check your sources and you will find thousands of christians helping out on those regions of the world.
And if you really care, join the Red Cross.
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P.S: I am trying to drink a lot man, don't make me come back!!!

That explanation clearly says that "something" really important happened not so long ago. I mean, so many cultures, geographicaly distant and of different ages reporting the same events indicates that something Did happen.
Because you cannot explain it scientifically does not mean it does not exist.
And you must agree that there is a conjugation of free will love around the globe around this time of the year, wich is not imposed by any clever advert or fashionable propaganda, actually it's quite old and still, people get together.
Nacho, you don't study or have to be special about Jesus, you just have to feel it dude. With no attachments included.
If you were my neighbour I would invite you for tonights party, with no preatching!
See ya

Merry Christmas everybody!
I just want to apologize to all atheists, because I understand that it must be horroble for you, I mean:
apart from the gifts, the cozy sofa movies with people you love, good food and plenty of drink and a tree sitting on your living room, I agree that tonight is just one of those nights one should spend alone and not celebrating his existance in any way.
I clearly advise and remember every non-believers that this day is a pagan celebration and has nothing to do with modern civilization celebrating the birth of this guy called Jesus (maybe it is that guy from 'The Big Lebowsky', maybe not).
Do not celebrate.
Do not feel the warm look on other people faces and their joy.
Please avoid Christmas!
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Take care guys,
even you Nacho,

I would go for it MoodyBlues, for me it adds to the experience and ambience of the game.
Captain Blood was just amazing at that time, Limpinfish! Remember the intro music?

Blue Moon, the full adventure game, will never be eleased in 2008, I'm afraid that work takes me away from the game.
Dwarven Dagger II also.
I'll be posting some screenshots though.

Yep, adventure game-making is for married people only. Singles should try shoot-em-up's!

Tell women that you have an over-sized penis, they will get curious, then ask them if they want to see it.
It's that easy!

Nacho, judging by your words, your biggest question is: "Why is the Bible for?".
Well, by now you should know and understand its contents, you should distinguish between what is the fable and the teachings and the myth.
Do you not believe that myths are part of the human condition? Do you think you are protected againts any form of myth just because you decided not to believe in everything you cannot see?
Well, my friend (can I call you that? Because I've been listening to you and answering you and I only do that with people I feel they have integrity), I must tell you that reading the Bible has changed people into someone better when they actually can understand it.
If you are not fully developed as an adult and someone with high charisma interprets the Bible as a way to tie some bombs on your waist and blow yourself ,then we could be talking about "mein kampf" for example. Maybe you've read it or are familiar with the subject but that did not make you a nazi.
Surely you can reach that, Nacho.

1) "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
2) "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,"
3) "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;"
4) "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."
5) "Honor thy father and thy mother:"
6) "Thou shalt not kill."
7) "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
8  "Thou shalt not steal."
9) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
10) "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house,.....nor anything that is thy neighbor's

Does this sound evil? Maybe you cannot agree with it according to the modern times, but please tell me why.
Remember that Christian religion and the Church had to speak to people that lived in the middle of the desert, did not know how to write or read, did not have any kind of a philosophic approach on things.

Hehehe...you got me there!
If God was like Marlon Brando and Jesus like James Dean, you would not be laughing now!

Hi again, I thought this was over by now, but it appears that the issue is important to most of us.
I see, with joy, that the tone of the debate has leveled up in dignity.
Even Natcho came to the conclusion that christian religion is open-minded and its best points in behalf are the solid morality and respect for others.
SSH has never seen such a fundamentalist priest that most of you atack, neither have I and a priest like that would not pass any idea when I was 8 years-old (1984) and specialy not now to any modern kid.
You, see, some friends of mine went on to be priests (actually only one good friend) and I still see the same person, dedicated to something he believes. And, guess what? He loves music, cinema, and every other aspects in life just like me. It's not that he's like the monk in Two Kingdoms!
SSH's BD will tell you what bad christian upbringing is and I've allready wrote the same notion some pages ago and I believe it is something clear to all of you.
It's just that to criticise religion is way easier thant to deffend its qualities.

SSH, these guys will believe what any scientist will tell them to,
and  just because they have risen Science into something very close to Divinity.
They blindily accept that a certain medicine (they never get the chance to test or understant how it was made) will cure a desease because it is writen on the back of a package. Some years later that same medicine will harm people more than it cured.
Why was the movie "I am Legend" so popular? Have you thought about what science CAN DO to humanity?
I am not against science, I am against this so called globalization! We are being swallowed by it.

I guess you have to ask yourselves if the world would actually be better without your local church, and the families that go there on Sundays? The peace that shows on the faces of the people coming out of there and then go home and have lunch, all together. Is it that bad? Or, was it that bad for you?

This thread turned into a very interesting filosofy lesson, although I must say that some of the participants can't look beyond their own belly.
The Australian philosopher J. J. C. Smart once remarked that an argument useful (from his naturalistic point of view) for convincing believers in human freedom of the error of their ways is to point out that contemporary mechanistic biology seems to leave no room for human free will.
When transforming everything into pure knowledge people lose what makes them unique, the ability to believe in good.
Logic is only logic if you believe in it because in no way you can prove anything at the eyes of a philosopher that doesn't want you to. Reason has no value and truth can easily be achieved by simply having two people agreeing in something.
But even if Christianity is on the move, it has taken only a few steps and it is marching through largely alien territory.

For the intellectual culture of our day is for the most part profoundly non-theistic and hence non-Christian- more than that, it is anti-theistic.
Most of the so-called human sciences, much of the non-human sciences, most of non-scientific intellectual endeavor and even a good bit of allegedly Christian theology is powered by something  foreign to that of Christian theism.

To end, I would like to read some more believers into this debate. I feel it is not even.

Most atheists fight their entire life against something so simple only to regret at the end of their lives.
Let me say that I really don't see the point in discussing if kids are influenced by their parents or not because decisions like believing in God, marriage or even homosexuality is something that people need a bit of life experience to get those answers. Life itself will lead people and build their personalities.
By the time you are 17 you want rock & roll and to party and there is nothing wrong with that. You really don't have a clear opinion on those subjects. But knowing Jesus and his life may keep young people on a special track, setting some boundaries and limits. And that can only be good.
I know atheists that are some of the best people I have encountered in my life and I am proud to be their friends, don't get me wrong, for a man to be good it doesn't mean he has to be a christian and I think we all agree with that. At least I hope so.
With my posts I try to explain and clarify why I am a believer without preaching because it could sound like I am selling something, at least I try.
 

The book is just a way to comunicate Khris, and it is kind of old, you know?
So, sure most of the stuff written is very fictional, like a phantasy epic, but it had to be written like that by the church just because they wanted to spread their word.
I wish I could write/speak better or explain myself like LMG did, just to tell you that God, Jesus and Chrisitianity is a personal thing that only You can reach and understand and feel.
I am sure I could never persuade you or anybody, not is that my intent, but I will say it again, christianity is out of fashion right now, it wasn't some decades ago and it will come back, that is my opinion.
cheers

Hi again,
many of you non-believers would be amazed at what modern church is accomplishing as we write this days.
Just a few notes, first:

The Church and the Vatican reach millions of people with different status and quality of life. Some don't even have a bed to sleep. Some don't have education. So, its word must be globalized as it always been. It's meant so that everybody understand some basic points like the greatest order someone has ever told anyone:
Do Not Kill.
We all know what the crusaders, inquisition did and that the Vatican is corrupt and that priest love young kids. They are humans! Like you and me. And lets say you, a non-believer, what guarantee do I have that you're not a paedophile?

Everybody is so afraid of a bit of...I'll use a word someone wrote before some pages again, mysticism? Why?
You guys live in the XXI century and still think the world of christian is something coming out of Oliver Twist?
To like Jesus is ok, do not be afraid.

KhrisMUC, you asked (a few pages ago) for believers to explain why they believe in God.
Well, some of the non-believers here showed me lots of scientific facts about why is just not possible for God to be.
I understand and appreciate the effort but, to them I ask:
Do you not think  believers asked those same questions?
Do you not think they did some research and read the books and googled like some of you did just to answer on this forum?
I mean, what is the source of your rage against believers?
"If God is so powerful why doesn't he..." - is that it? Are you still at that point?
Some of you guys are fathers and mothers, most aren't. When things aren't going well, who do you call when you are sitting on your toilet with a handful of bills? Ghostbusters? Space Boys's friend George?
To all non-believers, I believe in God and I don't take it that serious, I just feel that this generation thinks that to believe is to be uncool or something.
Look at the life of Jesus and even if you don't believe in all that stuff, how much would you give up just to be near such a person?
I love you guys and I probably should dress my avatar when talking about this things.

I also apologize if my terms were not correct to any of you, specially Nacho, who I take in great consideration.
By the way, Kaputnik, did you know that Nietzsche spent the last days of his life pretending to be Jesus?

Hi again guys, yes I know most of you don't want this debate to go on, but, if I am allowed, I don't mind being the troll here,

First I'll pick on what LimpingFish wrote and I agree (disrespect comes when you simple want a debate but your first post or question is not very polite) to say that this kind of debate turn into a show because everybody wants to post the coolest answers no matter what.

Second, I respect and understand what you all wrote and like to talk to you about it.

Nacho, Jurassic Park and the Bible are very different, and you know it. Comparing both may be a form of insult, not to me because I understood what you said but you are leveling yourself down when you do it.
When you read the Judas Gospel, wasn't it clear that what happened 2000 years ago is different from what you read in the Bible? For me it was very enlightening and allowed me to understand not the story, but history! I bought some more books related and found other amazing things about Christianity foundations, the creation of the church and so.
I don't want you to believe in Jesus and God, Nacho. But I don't think Nietche and his beliefs are very credible either.

Matti, yes I do believe that religion and Jesus are personal things and are different for every person.
Try not to focus on the rituals and the candles and the prayings, those are all minor aspects of it.

KhrisMuc, are you so sure that in decades/centuries from now people will be laughing about religion? History tells us that the strongest civilizations always keep some kind of divinity on their side to control the masses. It may happen and anyway, we will not be here to see. At least, Jesus never cared for that kind of stuff and so do I.

Spaceboy, who is your friend George?
Now, De Gaule was someone that got very popular around IIWorld War, and he said something like:
"Down there, when we were being bombed and shot at, every single one of us called for God".