Puzzle Post

Mandle · Fri 18/09/2015 00:34:42

Quote from: Sinitrena on Thu 17/09/2015 16:33:55
Correct.

Very nice puzzle!

A quickie:

What did Pinoccio say about his nose to cause a paradox?

selmiak · Fri 18/09/2015 00:47:19

My nose is growing?!

Crimson Wizard · Fri 18/09/2015 10:10:24

My nose will be growing soon.

Wyz · Sat 19/09/2015 15:23:14

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My nose will never grow.

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Mandle · Sat 19/09/2015 17:25:57

Let's look at the answers one by one:

@ selmiak: "My nose is growing."

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His nose was not growing at the time he said it was growing therefore what he said is a lie. Therefore his nose starts growing but this does not create a paradox as the moment he said it was growing has already passed...

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@ Crimson Wizard: "My nose will be growing soon."

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The word "soon" is a non-specific time-frame. It could mean 5 minutes from now or 2 weeks from now. He could easily tell a lie during that time so there is no paradox.

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@ Wyz: "My nose will never grow."

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This is a lie so his nose will grow. His nose grew so the original statement is still a lie. Hence: No paradox.

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Crimson Wizard · Sat 19/09/2015 17:39:22

Okay, I can make it more specific:

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My nose will start growing after I say this.

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Mandle · Sat 19/09/2015 17:48:21

Quote from: Crimson Wizard on Sat 19/09/2015 17:39:22
Okay, I can make it more specific:
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My nose will start growing after I say this.
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Still no paradox because:

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"after I say this" could still imply any length of time after he said it. It could be weeks afterwards in which case there is no paradox because he could have told any number of lies in the meanwhile...

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Crimson Wizard · Sat 19/09/2015 17:51:45

Maybe I should add "just"?

Mandle · Sat 19/09/2015 17:53:37

Ahhhh...I see the new edit...

Replying...

Crimson Wizard · Sat 19/09/2015 17:54:15

Oh well, what about

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My nose will start growing as a result of me saying this.

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Mandle · Sat 19/09/2015 17:59:28

Hahahaha, you are totally outpacing my edits...just a sec please while I compute in my brainbox...

Mandle · Sat 19/09/2015 18:11:15

Quote from: Crimson Wizard on Sat 19/09/2015 17:54:15
Oh well, what about
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My nose will start growing as a result of me saying this.
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And I'm honestly not trolling (And I'm just realizing myself how exact the phrasing must be to create the paradox. This is a much better puzzle than I first expected and challenges both the host and the player equally):

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He says: "My nose will start growing as a result of me saying this."

But the problem is that the word "result" could still refer to a vague and possibly unconnected event in the future.

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Creamy · Sat 19/09/2015 18:41:09

What about :

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My nose will be longer in 3 seconds.

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Mandle · Sat 19/09/2015 18:46:40

Quote from: Creamy on Sat 19/09/2015 18:41:09
What about :
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My nose will be longer in 3 seconds.
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I can say:

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"I exist."

In less than three seconds...So I think Pinocchio can too...

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Cuiki · Sat 19/09/2015 18:54:28

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"I can make my nose grow by telling the truth."

EDIT: or "I can make my nose grow at will, and here's the proof!"

I dunno. It's pretty convoluted.

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Atelier · Sat 19/09/2015 19:23:12

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This statement will make my nose grow.

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Creamy · Sat 19/09/2015 20:06:03

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QuoteMy nose will be longer in 3 seconds.

QuoteI can say "I exist." in less than three seconds...So I think Pinocchio can too...

It could be 5 or 10 seconds, it doesn't matter :
- if nothing has happened when the time is over, Pinocchio has lied so his nose should have grown longer just after he spoke > paradox.
- If his nose is longer when the time is over, Pinocchio has said the truth, so his nose shouldn't have grown longer in the first place > paradox

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selmiak · Sat 19/09/2015 21:52:01

according to this statement my nose will grow or will not grow!

Baron · Sun 20/09/2015 02:17:36

Quote from: Mandle on Fri 18/09/2015 00:34:42
What did Pinoccio say about his nose to cause a paradox?

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"I went back in time and fathered my own nose."

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Cuiki · Mon 21/09/2015 13:48:18

The nose is a lie!