Okay, you all know the saying "Guns don't kill people. People do."
It's arguably true (with the possible exception of Robocop, who is a cop, and cops are people, but he's also a gun.)
Now can we transfer this rule? Does that mean that toasters don't toast toast, but toasts toast toasts?
And... do game programmers not program games... program games game programmers (or game them)?
I feel I can't tackle this alone. I need philosophers here.
Hmm... philosophers don't stare at shadows on a cave wall. People do.
I had trouble deciphering your sentences at first. The format:
<Subject>s don't <verb> <object>s. <Object>s do.
is actually clearer.
Toasters don't toast toast. Toast does.
Game programmers don't program games. Games do.
There is also the question of whether toasters toast toast or they actually toast bread. Too big a quandary for me.
I feel a more appropriate transferral of the rule would be <Tool>s don't <do the end result of using that tool>. People do.
Toasters don't toast toast. PEOPLE TOAST TOAST.
Somehow that feels so meaningful now.
I'll just add some ancient Portuguese wise words:
Few things are harder to put up with than a good example.Spoiler
because Mark Twain was Portuguese, like Colombus.
Mmmmmm.... Toast!
I feel humbled and enlightened now. So I'll make a bacon sammich and feel all great.
Bacon, incidentally, does kill people
This idea is support for direct realism. Eyes don't see the real world. People do.
Now where's janosbiro when you need him? I'm sure he could unravel this mystery with his enormous powers of 'phylosophy'!
This this got me thinking thread got me thinking. Is this what Ghost is thinking at 5 AM ?? :)
Quote from: Gribbler on Wed 07/05/2014 20:24:48
This this got me thinking thread got me thinking. Is this what Ghost is thinking at 5 AM ?? :)
Absolutely!
Toast doesn't program guns. People do.
I smell burnt toast.
And I ba-con to reconsider!
Toasters don't make games.
Gamers don't kill people, guns do.
I never understood this saying because the two aren't mutually exclusive, both guns and people kill people.
kill 1 |kɪl|
verb [ with obj. ]
1 cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing)
The person causes the trigger to be pulled which causes the bullet to fire which causes the death. The gun and the person are both part of the chain of causation. Substitute stuff into the formula and the same can be said for anything. People toast bread by putting them into toasters that toasts the bread.
I get the purpose of the saying, but a more accurate wording is "guns kill people, but people are at the start of the chain of causation".
Or... "People using guns on other people kill people". :sad:
can ghosts use guns?
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 08/05/2014 12:40:24
Or... "People using guns on other people kill people". :sad:
Life needs more unhandled events.
use gun on people -> "It doesn't work!"
Quote from: Atelier on Thu 08/05/2014 12:20:38
I never understood this saying because the two aren't mutually exclusive, both guns and people kill people.
kill 1 |kɪl|
verb [ with obj. ]
1 cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing)
The person causes the trigger to be pulled which causes the bullet to fire which causes the death. The gun and the person are both part of the chain of causation. Substitute stuff into the formula and the same can be said for anything. People toast bread by putting them into toasters that toasts the bread.
I get the purpose of the saying, but a more accurate wording is "guns kill people, but people are at the start of the chain of causation".
But what came first, the gun or the person? We may never know.
Bullets go in, bullets come out. You can't explain that!
Quote from: Soxbrooker on Thu 08/05/2014 13:06:48
can ghosts use guns?
That, and they make awesome additions to racing tracks :=
Because drivers don't drive cars. Cars are driven by drivers. It's all in the drive, as long as your driver can display it.
Programmers can't toast games without the proper drivers.
My head hurts now.
Ghosts don't make your head hurt, Ghost's posts make your head hurt.
People don't people people. PEOPLE people people.
Quote from: Babar on Tue 13/05/2014 19:59:43
People don't people people. PEOPLE people people.
Soylent Green confirmed!
And here I were: opening this thread, expecting some deep philosophy...
People don't get disappointed by expectations. Disappointment expects people.
Spoiler
See? I were a born philosopher! 8-)
Quote from: DoorKnobHandle on Wed 07/05/2014 19:38:08
Now where's janosbiro when you need him? I'm sure he could unravel this mystery with his enormous powers of 'phylosophy'!
Does that mean that roasters don't roast roastees, but roastees roast roasters?
Quote from: Mandle on Fri 16/05/2014 18:03:32
Does that mean that roasters don't roast roastees, but roastees roast roasters?
Nah. Roadies rroast goat's toes. That's how it goes. You're referring to RollerToaster Tycoon, where toasts are trapped in a theme park.
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 13/05/2014 19:48:23
Ghosts don't make your head hurt, Ghost's posts make your head hurt.
He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts
please analyze, when cheeses please the greases, do the seas ease the cheese when they terrorize precise trees? Or do fleas rather cheese the peas? or is peace just the demise before the cheese of john cleese will arise?
Quote from: selmiak on Sat 17/05/2014 03:50:24
please analyze, when cheeses please the greases, do the seas ease the cheese when they terrorize precise trees? Or do fleas rather cheese the peas? or is peace just the demise before the cheese of john cleese will arise?
Is this the Philosophy Thread or the Insult Sword Fighting Thread? Whichever it is, can somebody please direct me to the Weird Foreign Toilet Thread? Thanks. ;)
Quote from: Baron on Sun 18/05/2014 04:39:25
can somebody please direct me to the Weird Foreign Toilet Thread?
Here we go Baron!
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=50484.0
Quote from: Atelier on Tue 20/05/2014 03:23:44
Here we go Baron!
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=50484.0
Excellent! ;-D