IS FLASHBAX TO VULGAR

[foz]

I released this as it still is ...

and have mixed reviews.    
some love it some think it vulgar.

i want to know what the majoirity think.

if most people think its too vulgar i`m considering reprogramming and changing certain elements...

you decide.
also i will make the prequel according to the feedback

if most people like it as it is......that how the new game will be
if it considered too vulgar by the masses   both version will be made accordingly ................i think any way not sure yet i`m a bit confused what to do....stand up a be counted

FOR or AGAINST the way i made this game.

[AGA]

AHEM people's opinions. If the game you made was the game you wanted to make, don't change it just to make it more popular... If they think it's too vulgar, they can go and play another game.

[Pesty]

EEK people's opinions. If the game you made was the game you wanted to make, don't change it just to make it more popular... If they think it's too vulgar, they can go and play another game.

I concur. The first and only person you should worry about pleasing with a game is YOU. You'll never make a game that everyone will agree with or like, because everyone is different. What might be vulgar for some is nothing to others.

To quote that song 'Garden Party', "You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." So true to life. If you're happy with it, leave it. It's not your fault if other people don't like it. They have to live with that fact, not you.

[Vel]

AGA and Pestilence: During the second part of the game I had the feeling I was playing an action game - severig hands, watching men puke and masturbate... There was also much gore in P:DA. Spot the differences.

[veryweirdguy]

And many people wouldn't like PD:A (mainly those who don't like adventure games, but meh...)

foz, the only person you should ask this question to is yourself. Look back at what you've done and ask: 'Am I pleased with what I've done?'

We are AMATEUR adventure game makers (mostly). We do what we do for fun, and if other people don't like it, tough.

[Shattered Sponge]

Vel - How on earth does severing hands (as has been seen in adventures such as Star Trek: 25th Aniversary and Rob Blanc) and masturbating old men (as has been seen in my deepest, darkest dreams) suggest an action game?  I've only just started playing Flashbax, but so far as I can tell there aren't any action-based segments, and the mere presence of toilet humour (note: that isn't meant as a slur against the game - toilet humour is an entirely valid form of comedy; although on a personal level I much prefer satire and surrealism, it is, as has been said, Foz's preference that matters here) or violence does not change the genre - the gameplay itself (once again, so far as I can tell from what little I've played) is still well within the boundries of the adventure game.

Foz - as people have said, if you are happy with the game, leave it as it is.  If you really want to appease those people who found it distasteful, you would be much better off making a different game entirely, in my opinion (after all, that contains the added bonus of proving your diversity to the rest of us); 'vulgarity' (I word which I will rarely use without inverted commas - I'll even do those annoying finger ones, if need be) seems to be part of the game's character, after all, and removing it would probably make the game seem rather odd - I'm reminded somewhat of the 3-minute MPAA-approved 'G-rated' version of Terrance & Phillip: Asses of Fire from the South Park movie.

[nihilist]

AGA flopped it out perfectly with that last quote...

But I must add that "Censorship Limits Creativity".

[Vel]

I meant that the hand part may be as well a "puzzle" in an action game, and the masturbation suits duke nukem better than flashbax.

[Shattered Sponge]

But there is nosuch thing as a puzzle in an action game - in an action/adventure game, perhaps.  I can live with the Duke Nukem comparisson, however, as it does have a reasonably similar sense of humour, but that is nothing to do with the fact that it is an action game.

[Trapezoid]

I haven't played very far in-- I've only seen a couple swears, a drug reference, and some urine so far.
Anyway, make your game however you want, neither Chris nor the community will stop you from putting hardcore pr0n in your game if you want to.
But if you want your game to have the same kind of acceptance that other popular AGS games do, well, just use those games as a guideline when it comes to vulgarity.
To sum up. Do whatever you want, if you want to. If you want to put masturbating old men in your game, by all means go ahead, but don't be surprised if your audience doesn't like it. C'est art!

[remixor]

I think people have sort of exaggerated the masturbation thing.  I mean, there IS a masturbating man, but there's only one of them.  It's not like some big old man masturbation strike force.  That is, however, the part of the game I'd consider questionable.  As far as cutting off the hand, I don't think it's that far out of line.  The idea of using severed body parts (generally hands or eyes)  to get past some sort of scanner has been done in many movies and games (Minority Report comes to mind at the moment, although there are plenty of other examples).  Some people may not like it, but I don't think it's extraordinarily horrific, particularly considering that the game is 300x240 and there's really not much room for extreme gore.  As someone mentioned, there are definitely much gorier scenes in, for example, P:DA, and I doubt there are many people who don't like that game.

Foz: I think you should be a little less confrontational in your responses to feedback (I'm primarily referring to the thread in the Completed Game Announcements forum).  Insulting the games of other people who haven't even gotten involved with the Flashbax argument just seems out of line to me.  I'm sure that Hobbes and the two Apprentice guys have no idea why all of a sudden their games are under fire from the masturbating man game guy.  (again, this paragraph refers to stuff in the CGA thread, but I didn't want to double-post).


Anyway, in the end put whatever the hell you want in your game.  Some people will play it, some won't, just like any other time.  These aren't commercial games, so there's not much of a demographic to appeal to in order to maximize profits.  Just bear in mind that if you have stuff like people ripping off heads and using them as bloody soccer balls while juggling their eyes and shouting streams of obsceneties, and it's really gory and gratuitous and not used in an Evil Dead-esque humorous setting, you'll probably have fewer people playing your game.

[foz]

Remix0r

I was`nt trying to insult other peoples game..........
apprentice,bucaneer are good games and the best thing on these
forums..

i found that vel....had made his points such as
", the second set of puzzles is rather illogical, forcing the player to use the “use everything with everything” strategy. "
this opinion was clouded by the fact he did`nt like the VULGAR elements.
and i was trying to use examples to say why his opinion was floored...
i was`nt slating these games just saying that vel thought that my puzzle were illogical.....and some of the games he used as examples as to what i should aim for......got brought into the arena....

I have stated that alll this ho ha should be put to bed.......so lets sleep.

[Pesty]

I meant that the hand part may be as well a "puzzle" in an action game, and the masturbation suits duke nukem better than flashbax.

Who are you to say what suits someone else's game? Foz wrote the game. Foz made the game. Foz gets to decide what suits the game. If you don't like it, you could've stopped playing it. No one made you play it but yourself.

I stand by the fact that the game should only have to please one person and that's the person who made it. Everyone else will have different opinions and there's nothing any game designer can do to please them all.

And the term "big old man masturbation strike force" is the most brilliant thing I've read all day.

[Trapezoid]

Yes, yes, Foz has the right to do what he pleases with his game. But the players all have the right to speak their minds if they think the game would be better off without certain elements. And Foz has the right to keep the game how it is, or to change it, or to keep their suggestions in mind while working on his next game. We all have frigging crapload of wacky, zany rights.

[remixor]

And the term "big old man masturbation strike force" is the most brilliant thing I've read all day.

Thank you; I was particularly proud of that bit.

[Reno Caspain]

I hope I'm not too late to have effect on Foz's future games...

I loved the vulgarity. The game got extra appreciation from me because it was the first truly vulgar AGS game I've yet played.

I'm making a furry game, and I know some people will love it because of that. Likewise, vulgarity doesn't fit in the vanilla mainstream, but the ones who like it will like the game even more. Vulgarity makes flashbax more unique.

[Trapezoid]

I still haven't finished the game, but I want to say-- don't be vulgar just to be unique. Be vulgar if it's appropriate. Badly placed dialogue can take all the sincerity out of your game. The same applies to one-liner jokes. If your game has a serious plot, write serious dialogue.

[Magintz at school]

hmm.... I did like the game a lot, and agree with AGA, but I found the ending left me a bit empty, like I had tried that hard, watched an old janitor masturbate and for what? the main character to die? I did like the twist but felt it a bit empty, like what was the point, but I s'pose thats what the ending was meant to be like, but would have rathered more fulfilment out of the ending, but I dont think you should change anything, just get to work on the prequal

[foz]

Mike will live on ....
Theres a prequel.
Another game with him in.
So in a way mike did`nt really die.

Thanks for your comments.

the new game as the intro finished and four rooms drawn.
I anticiapate about 15-20 locations.
(I don`t want to be making too long.)
Hopefully should take about 4 months.

I ll keep you posted.
Theres a thread in the games in production section with a few screen shots.

bye for now

foz

[TheSponge]

I very much enjoyed the game One of the best AGS games ive played really....and the humour didn't bother me at all...I never saw or heard anything that I would consider too over the top :-P If you can watch dumb and dumber and not be offended, then you can play this game and not be offended.