PMQ Colosseum

[Darth Mandarb]

A very valid point by Radiant!  However, if there is any discussion needed for that matter please address the issue in PMs!  Thanks!

You know what... nevermind.  If it gets too off-topic in here (as this newest revelation is sure to cause) then I can finally just lock this thread and be done with it.

Fire away!

[Calin Leafshade]

Sure, if this game gets on steam I will be omg so totally furious.

...

are you guys serious?

[LimpingFish]

I wouldn't read too much into it.

"Which maybe going on Steam when it's finished latter this year." = "I'm thinking about the possibility of submitting it to Steam."

Lay off the hyperbole, Icey.

[Icey]

Gulp, please don't let this get out control every one.

Let talk about the current state and the distant future for the game.
AGS Colosseum Discussion

I wouldn't read too much into it.

"Which maybe going on Steam when it's finished latter this year." = "I'm thinking about the possibility of submitting it to Steam."

Lay off the hyperbole, Icey.

I think if I find a better way to put it then it would sound better but you just sum'd up with that one line.

[ThreeOhFour]

I like your sprites, but "Poodlemoth" sounds like an uninspired Pokemon. Surely you can think of a better name for a big horned dogcow that looks nothing like a poodle or a moth?

[Icey]

Thank you ben. I went with poodlemoth cause it's a behemoth with a poodle like tail but maybe I might just call it a behemoth or come up with a cool name like you sugested.

[Ghost]

Surely you can think of a better name for a big horned dogcow that looks nothing like a poodle or a moth?

Its stance is hauntingly familiar... Last Unicorn's fire bull! Clearly something with "bull" in it.

Not too sure about the black mage- it really looks a lot like its FF inspiration, there should be ways to make it look more original though.

[Icey]

Hows about Feral Bull Or Colossus Bull cause it's rather big on screen? As for the BLK mage, I want it to look slightly like the old FF BLK mage but different. I think I can work on his looks a bit more

[Darth Mandarb]

Should I even bother mentioning this isn't the critics lounge?

Nah ... keep it up!!

[Icey]

I'm a bit nervous by that last line lol

But I think would be better to talk about the stuff here in this thread. Unless darth says it's cool to continue here.

[monkey0506]

Icey, I am just pointing out to you, per a post I read in which you are pitching this game to Valve for inclusion in the Steam library - you cannot use a character which you do not own in a commercial game. You will be sued for copyright infringement. Radiant mentioned this in one of your other threads, and you tried to imply that not using his character(s) would actually damage "your" game.

I don't honestly know who most of these characters are:

AGS heroes list:

Prick Peckard
Pib
Amber
Dennis
Jakob
Red Riding Hood
Merick
Maeldun
Ug
Rosa and Joey
Latha

However, I do specifically know that you do not have the right to use Oceanspirt Dennis in a commercial venture.

The creation of Oceanspirit Dennis has been a joint venture between ddq, Snake, and Ben304, among others. The first to coin the name was Snake, based on inspiration by ddq. The first to label Oceanspirit Dennis as "The Scourge of the Underworld" was ddq. The first to use Oceanspirit Dennis in a game, fleshing out much of the character as he presently stands, was Ben304. If you do not have express, written permission by each of these three persons, then I will contact Valve and notify them of your copyright infringement. And believe me, Valve doesn't play around about infringing upon others' copyright and/or intellectual property when it comes to you making money off of it.

Consider this an official cease and desist order against all efforts to use Oceanspirit Dennis, and all related names, characters, likenesses, and other property in the game titled "AGS Coliseum" (aka, "AGS Colosseum", etc.) as it pertains to commercial ventures, regardless of financial benefactor. You may continue to use Oceanspirit Dennis in this game only insofar as you accept and agree that you will make no further attempt to make a commercial product including the character or other properties aforementioned.

[Icey]

Hey Monkey, I'm guessing you missed the whole back and forth(or maybe you didn't) but I will not be using those characters or anything related to AGS. Instead I will be introducing characters I created 7 yrs ago for the old PMQ legends comic.

Everyone in that list is an AGS character and yes Dennis is as well but his creation is somewhat odd. You see(And I totally agree with what you said) OSD may be started off those 3 but I created my own OSD series with it's own characters. I even made my own OSD so I believe I would get in trouble if I use the normal or canon Dennis. Plus I was planning to just call him Dennis.

Also I thought it can only be copyright infringement if it's register trademark? Dennis' game aren't copyrighted.

Now I'm not saying this in a defensive way to say F you I'ma do what I wan't but in a way of curiosity. I could trademark OSD1,2,3D, or ROTS because they full of Square related stuff but I could trademark(I think) my Dennis for the fact he was created purposely for the PMQ saga or PMQ world.

Also I'm just saying I would have no chance at asking ddq if I could use normal Dennis cause I'm pretty sure he would just straight say no, not because of Dennis but because of me.

Psss, I had changed the title logo,

[LimpingFish]

You see(And I totally agree with what you said) OSD may be started off those 3 but I created my own OSD series with it's own characters. I even made my own OSD so I believe I would get in trouble if I use the normal or canon Dennis. Plus I was planning to just call him Dennis.

Can I create my own Spiderman series, with derivative characters, and then claim to have a right to use the name "Spiderman"? Will it be kosher if I instead just call him "Spider"?

This is a slippery slope you've started down, Icey. You have no claim to OSD, in any form, as far as I can see.

[Calin Leafshade]

What is OSD's license?

Just because he's open source, doesnt mean he is precluded from commercial activities.

[Icey]

No I have the right to use the OSD or Dennis I made who in fact is not OSD and is created by me and originated from the PMQ saga.

Spirit, Icey, or Pocket Dimension belongs to me. He is just a character made in another mans world. I have the say for were he goes in what he does.

All everyone just needs to keep in mind is that my Dennis is not OSD or the OS, he just goes around calling himself that just like cloud goes around calling himself 1st class soldier or Ex-soldier even though and until he realized he was never a soldier. My Dennis can stop and will stop calling himself OSD in that OSD game I gotta finish.

btw, My Dennis is the first ever in both PMQ and OSD to utilize the Job/class system. My Dennis doesn't have to be OSD to do some of the stuff he does.

Trust me, I know exactly what I'm doing. I can't use any ref to the canon story of OSD what so ever but I can use stuff I made for my Dennis.

[LimpingFish]

What is OSD's license?

Up until this point, nobody has ever needed to know, I suppose. Now that you mention it, has anybody ever said? All I know for sure, is that the code for each game is open-source.

But that raises another point: Can Icey then trademark characters, locations, and such, derived from a project where the consensus is that works created in that universe remain open-source?

Trust me, I know exactly what I'm doing.

Evidently.

[Icey]

My games aren't open sourced not just because the coding is so damn awfully put together that it would be point less to download it but I just don't like making my OSD's open source. However I stay truthful to the normal OSD rules and any game I make that revolves around the normal Dennis I happen to make open source and fix up the code so that it looks usable.

[LimpingFish]

But you have only released the source of one OSD game, despite having six games titled Oceanspirit Dennis...

Which raises the question, do those OSD games you claim are outside the official OSD "canon" meet the criteria for you to claim ownership over a derivative OSD universe? And if not, are you then required to release the source to those remaining five games? And if, in fact, you have not reached the criteria to claim ownership of a derivative OSD universe,  wouldn't you also be unable to use OSD in any non open-source project? Such as PMQ Colosseum? And, by definition of OSD being fully open-source, wouldn't you also be unable to claim ownership over derivative characters and concepts (Spirit, Pocket Dimension, etc) created under the OSD banner?

To my knowledge, and leaving aside the issue of domain over OSD, the only differences between the original OSD and your OSD, is the lack of gayness and/or comedy.

[Icey]

But what about Cloud, sephiroth and a whole bunch of other characters. I mean even Dave is featured in one of my OSD games. The Shogin crystal, introduced in PMQ2 which was released as a demo, is a plot element in my games including my OSD games even if not mentioned. That's like saying I can't make a PMQ game. Or sell my own games seeing how Icey and a Pub was included in Ponch's OSD game.

Also OSD was created under a PMQ thread something made by me. But that's a different point. My non-canon OSD games are created under the PMQ banner and that goes for any game I make such as Gearblade and Forest Dweller 3D.

[LimpingFish]

But, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, the whole point of OSD was to create a repository of content (much like RON) that would be open to everyone. And that, by creating an OSD game, characters and locations created for the express purpose of that game must be made available to all. Proof that characters and locations that feature in any given OSD game were created before said game must be presented, for the purpose of claiming ownership, lest they become the property of everyone and no-one.

Your argument that your OSD was made under your own PMQ banner will be rendered worthless, if it's decided that your OSD games must be considered part of the main OSD universe, and therefore open-source.