101st PFC Williams for C+C

Khris · Sat 04/06/2005 13:59:53

The June MAGS has very interesting rules, so I thought I'd give it a shot. I'll probably be far from finished by the end of the month, though

Anyways, meet PFC Williams of the 101st Airborne who's unfortunately going to be separated of his squad during the misdrops of the night before D-Day:

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Ã,Â EDIT:Ã,Â new version:

59 cols

I know that it's going to be difficult to animate him

C+C appreciated!

Oliver · Sat 04/06/2005 14:10:06

Hmmm, it was quite pointless to put this in the Critics lounge, because this is perfect! I looked at it for 2 min thinking what could be improved... . But there is one thing, it won't be difficult to animate him, it'll be nearly impossible

Very good character, I hope you get your MAGS game ready!

Darth Mandarb · Sat 04/06/2005 14:25:22

I wouldn't go so far as to say this is 'perfect' .. but it is pretty good.

- The belt is too high up on the body.
- the patches (on the arms and legs) need some adjustment
- the helmut needs some work
- also, the color should be more green. Their combat fatigues were called ODs (Olive Drabs)

Here is a reference pic of good ol' Ike talking to some of the boys from the 101st ...

With a few adjustments this'll be a lovely sprite.

I would also suggest taking the colors down. You could probably acheive just as nice looking of a result with 10-12 colors!

Khris · Sat 04/06/2005 14:45:22

Thanks, Oliver!

Darth:
I was using this as reference. Maybe that wasn't the best choice

I fiddled quite some time to get the helmet right. Here's my reference: click
What exactly would you change?

I planned on using frames with less colors for the animations, especially the walk-cycle. If the color change isn't to obvious when the guy e.g. reaches his walk-to point, I'll keep the hi-color standing frames, otherwise I'll reduce the c count.

Darth Mandarb · Sat 04/06/2005 15:22:55

The reference you showed was very beige

I was thinking just perhaps a little less tan, and more towards a greenish/brown shade?

Something like this:

About the helmut:

loominous · Sat 04/06/2005 16:36:20

Quick edit:

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Nicked the helmet off Darth.

Basically made his posture more natural n lowered the belt/waist. By decreasing the width he'll appear taller n more adult.

What a loser. · Sat 04/06/2005 16:43:50

I agree it looks perfect now, great job all of you.

Helm · Sat 04/06/2005 17:34:10

the original one is blanket shading. Go easy on the AA with so many shades. Looks like velvet now. Harsher limits on the colour stages.

Intoxicatedowl8 · Sat 04/06/2005 17:52:34

Yes, he's right about too many shades.

You guys are quite getting the helmet right. Loominous has it a little better but it still looks like a jockey-helmet.

Lol, did anyone notice in the pic that darth posted, the guy in the front has a kar98?

Darth Mandarb · Sat 04/06/2005 17:57:02

Quote from: Intoxicatedowl8 on Sat 04/06/2005 17:52:34Lol, did anyone notice in the pic that darth posted, the guy in the front has a kar98?

There's a very good reason for that!

That's Lt. Richard Winters (played by Damian Lewis) from Band of Brothers. It's a screen-cap from the episode "Day of Days" where he had just dropped into Normandy and lost his muzet bag as well as all his weapons (except for his knife). After regrouping with some others from e company they ambushed some Germans and he 'borrowed' one of their rifles

Khris · Sat 04/06/2005 18:11:13

I just finished my own edit.
loominous did a very good editing job, luckily, I had already implemented his changes more or less when seeing it

I'll stick to my helmet's shape, though, cause IMO the tiny protrusion doesn't justify a whole pixel.

Here he is:

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Oliver · Sat 04/06/2005 19:21:06

Is it just me or does he look fat now?

Intoxicatedowl8 · Sat 04/06/2005 20:33:24

It's just you, lol, that's just his uniform.

Look man, not to be too critical or anything but the helmet just looks like a horse jockey helmet....

One of my favorite games, MOHAA did a very nice model of the 101st ranger's outfit..

Here's how it should look

lol, too bad you couldnt have your game out for the actual d-day, which is in 2 days

well i take it back..looking at your remake..the helmet looks a little better.

Darth Mandarb · Sat 04/06/2005 21:07:53

Dude, IntoxicatedOwl, why not convert those images to JPGS (or at the very least just crop out the helmEt parts) ... that's over 2MB worth of PNGs!!

Khrismuc - The new edit is much improved! I still think you need that extra pixel on the helmEt, but I certainly wouldn't complain about it

Good job man!

@ zooty

Sam. · Sat 04/06/2005 21:15:52

i really like thje new versiom, except the oldest version stands out the most to me, maybe a bit more contrast between the high and lo lights on the uniform.

P.S. Darth, PLEASE learn to spell helmet

Khris · Sat 04/06/2005 22:31:24

Oliver: he did

Of course the uniform full of stuff isn't exactly skin-tight, but I've changed some pixels and it looks better now.

Intoxicatedowl8: I've played through MOHAA about a 100 times, I especially like the beach level. It's just like Saving Private Ryan, except EA did the obstacles right

owl & Darth: I'm still not satisfied with my the helmet either, maybe I'll use the other version.

zooty: I've tried to make the "gradient" on the uniform as smooth as possible, it indeed does look a bit flat now.

Well, consider the new one version 0.2

skw · Sat 04/06/2005 22:59:57

Okay, I've tried to make my own paintover... and the result you can see here:

Things I've changed:

1. the helmet, a bit improved and with a strap under a chin (but damn, this still isn't *it*)
2. thin figure and smooth overall (only the shoulders need some work, I can now see...)
3. small palette edit, a compromise between beige and green, let's say.
4. miscellaneous details - some face, uniform modifications and more... (I deleted those badges by chance)

Anyway, it's quick-made scrap, but hope it'll be useful for you. Great character!

MarVelo · Sat 04/06/2005 23:59:28

I tried to compromise the two images as best I could, kept the original and used head/helmut (with small tweak), and boots from Skurwy's. Here it is. I personally think the helmet is alright now.

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P.S.

Newblet question-
How do you post the images 3x size?

Darth Mandarb · Sun 05/06/2005 00:52:06

[ img width=3X height=3X ] location of image [ /img ]

(without the spaces)

You can find the answers to all questions of that sort from the handy dandy link up top called "Help"

Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens · Sun 05/06/2005 00:58:02

I made an edit based on darth's image from band of brothers, I noticed the helmets were quite large. I also added two shades for the face (mainly to make it more visible). I also altered the arms, made the chest just a bit smaller, lowered the belt and altered the legs and boots.

original

adjusted

Hope this helps.