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Title: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Thu 17/11/2005 19:30:02
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone.PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone.PNG)

What do you think of this guy? I think he looks kinda unfinished, but dont know what to do else :-\
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Chicky on Thu 17/11/2005 19:35:27
There's something about your characters that i really love.

To be honest the only thing i can see that needs improving is the hands, everything else is ace.
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Thu 17/11/2005 19:59:24
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone1.PNG)normal
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone1.PNG)x2
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone1.PNG)x3'

I kinda suck at making hands, but does this look decent enough?

Quote from: Chicky on Thu 17/11/2005 19:35:27
There's something about your characters that i really love.
Thanks :D Think you are the only one tho :P
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Ubel on Thu 17/11/2005 21:40:09
Quote from: vict0r on Thu 17/11/2005 19:59:24
Think you are the only one tho :P

Certainly not! ;D

It's a very nice sprite, I like him. I would make a paintover for the shading, since it seems to be a bit wrong, but I don't really have time now.

His arms seem to be a little too short, and his legs are too apart from each other. Also his head looks quite big, though that might be your style :) Oh, and he doesn't seem to have ears.

Apart from these little things, it's a very good sprite!
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Mugs on Fri 18/11/2005 00:30:35
Nice character! (It's better than most of mine.Ã,  :P)

There's only one thing that bugs me.Ã,  The head seems a little off center (it makes one of the shoulders look longer than the other.) and that's it.

By the way, it doesn't matter if he looks unfinished, it depends on your game's backgrounds and interface.

Anyways, I like the character, good luck on whatever you are doing!Ã,  ;)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Fri 18/11/2005 18:19:19
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone2.PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone2.PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone2.PNG)

Tried to make the shading look abit better, made his head smaller, put the feet more together and made his arms longer :P I just cant seem to find any place for his ears :-\ :P What do you think now?
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Ubel on Fri 18/11/2005 19:17:53
Okay, now I had more time. Good improvements you had done.

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8276/paintovercopy4uf.gif) (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8276/paintovercopy4uf.gif)

And I did some more. :=

Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Fri 18/11/2005 20:42:36
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone3.PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone3.PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone3.PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone3.PNG)

Did some stuff on him :P Think i got the shading better this time. At least on his pants And think i got the shoes a bit better too. What do you think?
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: MarVelo on Fri 18/11/2005 21:01:56
very nice ;)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Fri 18/11/2005 23:41:43
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone4.PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone4.PNG)x2

I think im getting closer to something now :P Made him abit dirtier and shaded some more.

Waddaya think Taffy? Think we have a zombie-hunter? ;D
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Elliott Hird on Sat 19/11/2005 13:51:47
ZOMBIE-HUNTER? I thought you were going for an average guy :P!

Make him look sterner, e.g. curved eyebrows, tighter lips.
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Sat 19/11/2005 15:17:43
Everyone but taffy, forget about zombie-hunter :P. Yes he is supposed to be an average guy :P ;D
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: MarVelo on Sat 19/11/2005 16:32:50
Nice grunge effects I think his head is a little square though.
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: seaduck on Tue 22/11/2005 17:58:44
Hey, this guy looks good! But you could still add some touches to make him even better. He looks too dull.

details - the body area is large, and you've put in so few details. Pockets, waistbelt and slit on the trousers

clothing - this guy sure has no taste for fashion - he desses almost a bad as I do ;-D
Give him something more interesting to wear - do not hesitate to have a look in a catalogue or something

attributes - if you add an attribute, people can recognise instantly what the guy is like. (e.g. tatoo, baseball cap, clipboard, ...)

colors - sorry, but I really dislike the color of his clothes, it really makes him look unhealthy - this is pretty much the blue-green combination which is really dreadful and you should avoid it like plague (that is unless you really really know what you're doing). Ever seen someone wearing this color combination? Yes? Really? Oh well... perhaps he had faulty color perception :)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Afflict on Tue 22/11/2005 18:31:01
Is he for MacGyver?

Cool dude you'll get the hang of it, your last is way better than the first.

Keep up the good work cant wait for McGyver!
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Tue 22/11/2005 19:39:02
No, sorry :P He probably wont be for MacGyver(but who knows really? ;D) Doing two game projects at the same time now so, this one is for the other game :P

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone5.PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone5.PNG)

Changed his colors, added a belt, added a bracelet/watch and gave him a new hairdo :P
What do you think? C'mon people give me something to work with! ;D
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Afflict on Tue 22/11/2005 19:44:44
Its all good now. You textured nicely and everything.

The hands tough still bugging me.
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: InCreator on Tue 22/11/2005 19:59:15
Nice sprite, but...
Where are you driving? Why add colors?

Bombarding sprite with additional colors won't solve any problems, since you're still not really using them.

What I mean with USING I can explain with my edit...

(http://www.increator.pri.ee/i/critshelp/someone2s.png)

2X:

(http://www.increator.pri.ee/i/critshelp/someone2s.png)

Look here.  I corrected lotsa lines and used only 3-4 colors per sprite part.

Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: lo_res_man on Tue 22/11/2005 20:03:02
Quote from: Afflict on Tue 22/11/2005 19:44:44
The hands tough still bugging me.

I agree, they are way too small. a persons hand if spread out will be the same size as the face,( try it, splay your hand like a leaping face hugger, and put it onto your face, see? same size! if anyone asks, do a silly "oh my god its grabbing my FACE!! :o " routine) i find this a good rule thumb Ã,  ;D
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: seaduck on Tue 22/11/2005 22:10:06
Ok, telling someone what to do is easy, so I made a paintover.

Eh.. I think I got a little carried away:

(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5027/sopo6lu.gif) (http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5027/sopo6lu.gif)

- changed colour of shirt and shoes
- made his shirt more fashionable
- added some details on trousers
- gave his shoulders a more natural slope
- moved his head 1 pixel to the right
- made his chin less blocky
- added ears
- added some extra hair
- added a wristwach
- changed his hands a bit (they are not better though, because I absolutely can't draw, you knowÃ,  ;))
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Tue 22/11/2005 22:39:20
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone5(2).PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone5(2).PNG)

Ait!
-Removed the 566000 useless colors ;D
-Improved his pitiful hands :)
-Enlargened his biceps :P
-Made his hair look cool := (IMO)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: InCreator on Tue 22/11/2005 22:51:10
His hands are still too short.

You're free to either google for photo or look in the mirror: hands reach a bit more than halfway of a thigh, pretty close to the knees, not only pants pockets.

Still, that's a huge step forward, this last edit.
You should also consider making feet (shoes) look right... see my edit for tips.
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Afflict on Tue 22/11/2005 22:54:26
Like your character Increator...

Victor your sprite is getting better with every post!
He looks like Sonny Bonds, well to me anyway.

ps: the hands are still bothering me...
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: n3tgraph on Wed 23/11/2005 11:57:34
Indeed the character is improving a lot!

Now, something that I think could be better:
The arms, they look like he sold his original arms and screwed big strong arms to his body.
They don't fit the rest of the character at this point. I don't really know how to improve this the best way, but it's just something I noticed
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Nikolas on Wed 23/11/2005 12:18:38
Hands issue: I think that there are a lot of people with short/small hands. Especially people who are a little short and a little wide backed. I like his hands. What I don't like now is his hair. He looks a little like Elvis...
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Khris on Wed 23/11/2005 12:24:40
With a relaxed standing pose, the finger tips are almost exactly at crotch level.

To make the body fit the muscular arms, you could widen his chest to shape it more like a triangle.
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Wed 23/11/2005 19:20:35
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone5(3).PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone5(3).PNG)

What about now? I think the arms are abit too long now, but what do you think?
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Afflict on Wed 23/11/2005 19:34:07
The left arm "Characters Right" should not be same length as the other as he is standing at an angle, judging by the feet.

I think turn the body slightly to adjust to the feet, and narrow his shoulders just a little.
Shoulder width normaly equals 2x head width. or something like that loomis said... ;)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: KrisMacDee on Wed 23/11/2005 21:27:54
This is really good!Ã,  :oÃ,  Better than mine, no doubt about that.Ã,  ;)

My crits- 1. His arms look almost connected to his t-shirt. The clothing should be loose on his body. Unless it is meant to be tight.
Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  2.His hair looks like a wig.
Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  3. His arms look weird, i.e the way they taper towards the hands.

I hope I helped.

BigmacÃ,  ;)

Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Khris on Wed 23/11/2005 23:52:45
Here's a paintover:

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/redraw_vic.png) 2x(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/redraw_vic.png)

-adjusted shape of head, shoulders, torso, arms
-reshaded clothing
-changed face & hair
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: InCreator on Thu 24/11/2005 12:46:17
Haha, it looks like Farlander now!!!  :D
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Thu 24/11/2005 13:52:10
err... you usually have your arms that way? :P and he looks too happy and his eyes are too white :P! ;D(and his arms are too thin)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: auhsor on Thu 24/11/2005 16:11:35
It's cool to see how the sprite has progressed. The only thing I can suggest now is to add another shade to his face. It stands out too much for me.
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Thu 24/11/2005 16:50:30
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone5(4).PNG)
(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/someone5(4).PNG)

Did some small changes on him(including more shading in the face)

What do you think now?
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Khris on Thu 24/11/2005 17:26:19
Quote from: vict0r on Thu 24/11/2005 13:52:10err... you usually have your arms that way? :P
Indeed, yes, my arms tend to look like natural, human arms.

Quote from: vict0rand he looks too happy and his eyes are too white :P! ;D(and his arms are too thin)
I didn't know that you couldn't handle a paintover/constructive criticism.
It won't happen again. (And I mean that.)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Thu 24/11/2005 18:05:29
Quote from: khrismuc on Thu 24/11/2005 17:26:19
Quote from: vict0r on Thu 24/11/2005 13:52:10err... you usually have your arms that way? :P
Indeed, yes, my arms tend to look like natural, human arms.

Quote from: vict0rand he looks too happy and his eyes are too white :P! ;D(and his arms are too thin)
I didn't know that you couldn't handle a paintover/constructive criticism.
It won't happen again. (And I mean that.)

Dont take what im saying too serious ;D Please, continue critisizing :P And when you are at it, take it with a smile, instead of anger and sarcasm ;) That wont get you anywhere :)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: Khris on Fri 25/11/2005 01:42:07
Right, sorry, guess the :P s confused me :)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Fri 25/11/2005 19:11:52
No more crits? C'mon people! :P I need to make it better ;D
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: on Fri 25/11/2005 20:34:53
his arms are maybe a bit too pointy. Give them shape. Show where the forearms meets the upperarms. Also make the upper arms longer

... unless its your style :)
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: ManicMatt on Sat 26/11/2005 19:05:08
I think Khrismuc's hairstyle looks better. (Although it is a modern hairstyle, and looking at your char's t-shirt... is it based in the eighties?)

It's that line on the shirt, very retro.

Other than that, I think it's looks neat!
Title: Re: C&C on character
Post by: vict0r on Sun 27/11/2005 11:48:06
Quote from: buloght on Fri 25/11/2005 20:34:53
his arms are maybe a bit too pointy. Give them shape. Show where the forearms meets the upperarms. Also make the upper arms longer

I tried a couple of times doing this but it just looks weird, so i think i'll let the arms be. ::) I think ill start on some sideviews now :) Post them when they are ready ;D