Help me improving my "pixel pushing"

[Ghost]

With AGS3.0 already knocking on my door and the stable beta on my drive, I was very intrigued by the possible speed gain due to to 3D3 support- and thus I started a tiny spritework to test out how it would perform in a 640x480 game.

Now, I never worked in such high (*cough*) resolution and in the end made a sketch that I turned into a clean sprite.

And I can't help it, it looks sort of okay, but the shading's all off. And I guess that there's a too high colour count too... I read the Spriting Tutorial for "Sphinx" by BigBrother, and I spent a good while to balance the contrast, but well, maybe some of you could have a look?



PS: Why a mummy? Well... why not?

[DoorKnobHandle]

The pixel-pushing seems fine so far (the line-work, the shading, the palette), what really grades your sprite down is the balance. In all four versions, she's leaning backwards - like she's about to fall on her back.

[Galen]

The light blue line on the hair looks bad IMO. The shading on the skirt is also a little odd. Apart from that it's really nice.

As DKH said, she does look a tiny bit like she'll fall over backwards, so why not bring back the legs a pixel or two.

[Ghost]

Yes, the pose is quite exaggerated, almost a parody of DOTT's Bernhard- looked not too bad on paper though.

I tried to balance her a bit more by moving the legs a couple of pixels back and leaning the chest and head a bit forward. The effect is subtle.

Also made an alternative, more "pale mummy style" swatch.

Whew. How do people animate this stuff? Just to check I dug out my copy of Torin's Passage, which uses a similar style of clean-edge sprites, and there seems to be a lot of effort to it.

[Galen]

Much better.

[Snarky]

I quite liked the original highlight on the hair. The bright-blue-on-black-hair is a comic book coloring convention that I think works well with the cartoony style you're using.

In terms of shading, I think a more top-down, less front-to-back light source to accentuate the anatomy would improve the slight pillow-shading look it currently has. Stuff like a shadow under her chest, probably under the knee, under her hands, and maybe some slight shading to her face. The original color scheme is better than the new one.

Over all, an awesome sprite! Any plans to make something real?

Incidentally, most of the image links in bigbrother's sprite tutorial show up as broken for me. If you have pictures, I'll update the image links in the Wiki.

[Ghost]

The bright-blue-on-black-hair is a comic book coloring convention that I think works well with the cartoony style you're using.

I too think so, and just darkened it for the revision. It will return 

In terms of shading, I think a more top-down, less front-to-back light source to accentuate the anatomy would improve the slight pillow-shading look it currently has. Stuff like a shadow under her chest, probably under the knee, under her hands, and maybe some slight shading to her face. The original color scheme is better than the new one.

Again, thank you for the useful feedback, I will give it a try.

Over all, an awesome sprite! Any plans to make something real?

There is a tiny idea and a name. "The Pharao Is Not Amused". A pharao (deceased) and his favourite handmaiden (also deceased), in a tomb, and the pharao extremely vexed because his trip to the underworld is delayed (the girl forgot the tickets). Basically two rooms and one hard-pushed puzzle right now, but well, in terms of graphics it is an interesting thing.

Incidentally, most of the image links in bigbrother's sprite tutorial show up as broken for me. If you have pictures, I'll update the image links in the Wiki.

Hah. Yes, I *have* all the images; I saved them a while ago. Somewhere in a maze of all my backup directories. I'll search them and send them over to you.

[frission]

There is a tiny idea and a name. "The Pharao Is Not Amused". A pharao (deceased) and his favourite handmaiden (also deceased), in a tomb, and the pharao extremely vexed because his trip to the underworld is delayed (the girl forgot the tickets). Basically two rooms and one hard-pushed puzzle right now, but well, in terms of graphics it is an interesting thing.

Don't forget the H on Pharaoh! It's silent!

[Galen]

Hmm... I just felt like randomly painting over the shading on the skirt.

[Ghost]

Following Snarky's advice I came up with this:



* Moved the light source up and to the left, tried to figure out where
   shadows would fall.
* I used two layers of shading. Both are Multiply layers on which I painted
   with 50% gray. The lighter one has an opaque setting of 60, the dark
   one 70.
* Added a highlight to her eyes and her (left) cheek.
* Refined the shading of the skirt, too.
* Return of the comic-style hairline!

I must say I like the look of that a lot. It was, however, the total opposite of what I had intended- I had hoped to simplify the sprite, now it is far more detailed than practicable for a game character...

[Lamak]

Shame on you ! You should be working on DITA ! 

[Galen]

Shame on you ! You should be working on DITA ! 

^Yeah.

WE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WANT TO PLAY!

[bicilotti]

There is a tiny idea and a name. "The Pharao Is Not Amused". A pharao (deceased) and his favourite handmaiden (also deceased), in a tomb, and the pharao extremely vexed because his trip to the underworld is delayed (the girl forgot the tickets).

I must say I like the look of that a lot. It was, however, the total opposite of what I had intended- I had hoped to simplify the sprite, now it is far more detailed than practicable for a game character...

A good looking handmaiden (euphemism?  :) who's silly enough to forget the tickets for a most important travel. You can draw her almost motionless while some gibberish comes out her lips in the background. No walking cycle + some cliche prejudice about women! How dared I!

[Ghost]

Shame on you ! You should be working on DITA ! 

Who said I didn't 

Anyway, this isn't about DITA and what I should be working on- I am asking CC here.

[Scavenger]

Whew. How do people animate this stuff? Just to check I dug out my copy of Torin's Passage, which uses a similar style of clean-edge sprites, and there seems to be a lot of effort to it.

I don't think they do animate it. Most sprites of that style I've seen are hand drawn animations, traced over with pixels (a lot of animators do that, have you ever looked at the concept art for Super Mario Bros. and Megaman? It's all done by hand. They'd be mad not to). It's just an extension of simple shading, I guess It's what I do, anyway. (though my stuff is decidedly less complex :3)

I think it would be extremely hard to animate this sprite, or even your simpler shaded one, because of the number of colours you're using. The complex one has 93 colours, the simple one 47. Before you can even think of animating, I suggest reducing the number of colours in your palette down to 16. Otherwise it's going to look like an unholy mess once it starts moving.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

It wouldn't be a problem to animate, you just need to decide on a plan of attack.  Do you want the movements to be exaggerated and cartoony or realistic and smooth or simplistic enough to get the point across?  I must be mad but I've never traced over a hand drawn animation in my life to make a sprite animation.  Animation is no big deal once you sit down and just do it, so don't be discouraged! 

As for the sprite, I quite like it; it reminds me of a disney made-for-tv character.  The only issues I have with her are her massive forearms/hands/ and feet, which could be a style choice but don't really fit with the overall design imo.  You don't need to make the feet miniscule, but right now they look even bigger than Dirk the Daring's clodhoppers!

I made an edit to address this along with some shading alterations.

1.  Reduced forearm and hand size and sculpted the left arm to look more feminine.
2.  Reduced size of right foot considerably.
3.  Reshaded the skirt with the light source in mind.
4.  Applied the highlight on the face with the light source in mind and on the arms and waist as well.  The nose and cheeks in particular will be brighter since they protrude from the face.
5.  Tried reshading the hair but got confused by the shape of it.



I'm really not sure about the hair because I couldn't tell what part was overhanging and why the bangs were lighter (instead of darker) as they curved towards the neck.  I think you've done a great job with the sprite, hopefully this will help you make it even better!

[Ghost]

ProgZ, an awesome edit!  Especially the face; I can see where I missed things there. Thank you very much; I'll tinker a bit more with this.

The large feet and hands are really a style choice; I've always done them this way to exaggerate movement.

[Tuomas]

Just a comment: I really like looking at this character. It's rather brilliant, and really a pleasure to the eye. I'd love to play a game with the style here. Nice going mate

[Ghost]

*blush* Thank you! We'll see...

[Galen]

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