A little help from anybody in school

[Meowster]

I need a little help from anybody in school. And not from Ireland.

I need you to look in your history textbooks and post exactly what it says about Michael Collins in this thread. You should find his name in the index. If not, your curriculum sucks! But seriously, everything it says on him. Or if it's REALLY long and you hate typing, maybe just the juicy bits.

I'd especially like if anybody with an English History Textbook could do this.

And I'd be your best friend. We'd be friends like, say, Dev and Michael Collins. No, wait, better yet. Like Dev and his right hand. And all that friendship at so little cost!

Thanks By way of contribution to my own thread, I'll start:

Oh wait, I'm in fourth year. I have no history books. Whoops! Okay, let's look through... hmm... aha!


MICHAEL COLLINS 1980 - 1922
"Michael Collins was born in Clonakilty in 1890 and led the IRB until his death in 1922. He was 31 years of age."

Ah, now, see? Except multiply that information by about 50xINTERESTING and you kind of get what I mean!

PS: Must be a school textbook!!!

[n3tgraph]

here you go

CLICK ME

any information should be in there

No, wait, better yet. Like Dev and his right hand. And all that friendship at so little cost!

is that a codename for sex? - you being the right hand

[Pumaman]

MICHAEL COLLINS 1980 - 1922
"Michael Collins was born in Clonakilty in 1980 and led the IRB until his death in 1922. He was 31 years of age."

Are you sure that wasn't eric time-travelling? If not, he did rather well to be born after his death!  

[AGA]

'English history?!' There are about 1000 textbooks written on every period of history. You'd be hard pressed to find one that had Michael Collins in unless you were specifically studying the period of history he pertains to.

[Privateer Puddin']

at GCSE i didn't do much english history, and certainly not in my German history at college.

[Meowster]

CJ, you edited that to make me look dumb. That was mean.

Also, I have read a bunch of books on Collins, and indeed that very website link I was given. I want something on Collins from a school textbook. If anybody has a section/chapter on the War of Independence in Ireland, then you should have something on Collins.

'English history?!' There are about 1000 textbooks written on every period of history. You'd be hard pressed to find one that had Michael Collins in unless you were specifically studying the period of history he pertains to.

It has to be from a school textbook. Most school textbooks will quickly cover modern history from most countries. There should definitely be something on the Irish War of Independence in English and American textbooks at least.

[m0ds]

I asked Michael Collins (from here) if he knew he had the same name as Michael Collins. He said yes.

[Privateer Puddin']

we never had that kinda school textbook..

[Meowster]

You can't seriously be telling me that you people from the other parts of the world don't have history books.

That's just insane.

Okay well all those without textbooks... those who know who Michael Collins is (Cork born Collins)... could you, without actually reading anything about him first, post your opinion/knowledge of him, right here.

Don't do any research for this, just post whatever you know about the Michael Collins of the Irish War of Independence.

[Privateer Puddin']

only had specific ones, last year was Medicine through time and the great american west..

[Ptraci]

Nothing about him in my school textbooks. I haven't checked it because I'm quite sure there's no mention of that person there...

It was not part of our program when I went to school, but it's changed. I have no information on new contents, though.

[Las Naranjas]

I'd be a fool not to know who Michael Collins is, but we don't get super mega history of everything textbooks.

It has nothing to do with the Arab Israeli conflict 1948-1996, so none of those textbooks mention the man.
It has nothing to do with the Weimar Republic or the Third Reich, so it's not in those.
The Easter Uprising provided a footnote in a textbook on world war one.

But I've never heard of a school who would have a course that required a textbook called "The twentieth century and EVERYTHING that happened since every school has this".

and I've returned all my books anyway, high school is like soooo 2 months ago.

[Meowster]

Bastards. Our History Textbooks cover every vaguely important historical event since in Ireland since 1200, and every vaguely important historical world event since 1800.

Screw you lot anyway.

Okay, well what do you know about Michael Collins, from anything you've ever seen heard or watched about him?

[juncmodule]

like Liam Neason?  

I have a book entitled the Course of Irish History... there are only 4 pages which include mention of Mr. Collins.

I personally never learned anything about Irish history in school.

I am part Cherokee and part Irish. Those are two races that the American system doesn't really like. The idea of being taught anything about them in a general American school curiculum is just...well, it doesn't happen.

Everything I know of Irish history is self taught. So in short...I don't think anyone is going to be able to help you.

This is the American way though. I have enough Cherokee blood in me to be legally a Native American. However, my birth certificate says that I am white. Which, I am NOT. I cannot legally change this because the american system relies on "rolls" (basically a census of American Indians) from the turn of the century. Well, American soldiers rode into my great-great grandparents village, murdered them, and took my great grandfather and raised him white...or tried to. So, of course his birth certificate says that he is white too. Even though my mother as a child recalls my great grandfather not being allowed to enter a restraunt because they didn't serve "redskins".

I LOVE THIS COUNTRY!!!!

sorry...got a bit off topic there...then again perhaps that is the example you are looking for?? Mr. Collins may not exist in many of the ways that my Indian blood "doesn't exist". Some countries like to forget their history.

...and Michael Collins from the IRB as the ruthlessly efficient organiser of the military resistance which opposed British attempts to smash Sinn Fein.

...It offered what Michael Collins called the 'freedom to achieve freedom'...

......In the course of the civil war, Michael Collins was killed in an ambush (22 August 1922).

later,
-junc

[Las Naranjas]

And funnily enough we get textbooks full of Australian history. Strange that. And in the scheme of things, American, Indian, Indonesian, Algerian etc. independence struggles sorta push Ireland into the shadows.

Well apart from general knowledge which comes mainly from the commie irish gene in the family, and the film which those genes bought....

Are you looking for international perspectives? Then I think you've already found apathy is the overwhelming one.

[MrColossal]

is he related to Tom Collins?

or how about:

[Ptraci]

Yeah, vaguely important and so vaguely covered that they do not give enough information to know about specific people that had an important role in many of those events. As juncmodule said most of this knowledge is self taught.

[Meowster]

Hmmm, so not much then.

What about the war of independence? Is much known about that?

EDIT: THE IRISH war of independence, obviously

[Las Naranjas]

Uprising whilst the colonial power is at war, then guerillia warfare when they come back, like the Indochinese. Unless you want us to dealve into the homerule bills of the 1890's or the civil war, or the drear politics of partition.

[Meowster]

So all in all you don't find it terribly exciting, no?