A UFO theory.

[Ryan Timothy B]

Ryan, I'm not trying to offend you - or anyone else - by this theory!

No need to worry.  I don't think anyone would be offended by a 'theory'.  Or at least they shouldn't.  But people can be skeptical to theories.

Anyway, that theory is something I had thought about a few years back.  There is no way to know, but Earth could have been populated by Humans ONLY because we, the humans, were the aliens.  Alien outcasts.
It's a theory that sends your mind on a whirl.  I've always liked thinking about it.

[Galen]

Ok, let's suppose your camera could photograph an infrared image.  The image is still in the IR spectrum; how would you propose to view it? 

The infrared spectrum (or atleast, near infrared) is clearly visible to cameras. Most have filters so that you can't see it (stuff like remote controls still show up though due to the high-intensity light). Since a IR camera has the filter swapped for one that just blocks visible light the same principle applies.

[Nacho]

If/when the hostile aliens come to earth, all of the skeptics and cynics will think otherwise. Take the Orson Wells broadcast for example. I expect a fair proportion of the people that fled were devout doubters a few hours before hand.

Actually, the "hysteria" created by that broadcast was highly exaggerated. Lots of calls to the radio station and to the police, yeah, but most of them asking if the radio program was true or a joke (We must remember that, during the beginning of Wells' show, when it was mentioned that the broadcast was a dramatization, most of the people was hearing a famous radionovel in another station) and some calls saying "I am seeing the aliens ships landing!" in a certain place of America where there were illegal grass burnings. Nothing else.

[gossip girl]

I can't get my head around that the universe goes on, like , forever?

Because if you build a rocket ship with an unlimited amount of fuel, that could travel for millions of years, surely eventually that rocket ship would hit a brick wall or something?

[Atelier]

I saw this program once that tried to answer that. There's a list of unsolved mathematical problems worth millions of pounds to the person that solves them, and one of those questions calculates the shape of the universe. Well, hundreds of top mathmaticians have tried to work it out, but there's one person who thinks they've solved it. He suggests that the universe is shaped like a doughnut - it has a big hole in the middle, and it's 3D.

It's a bit like the Asteroid games, where going all the way to the top of the screen makes you appear at the bottom, and vice versa, except on a 3D scale. But then what's in the middle of the doughnut? Jam, probably.

[Babar]

* Babar is aghast at the weirdness of this thread

And I'm not talking about UFOs, either

[Galen]

I can't get my head around that the universe goes on, like , forever?

Because if you build a rocket ship with an unlimited amount of fuel, that could travel for millions of years, surely eventually that rocket ship would hit a brick wall or something?

No, but there's a lovely little restaurant.

[m0ds]

Cool, some neat debates

Firstly I want to go back to what Eric mentioned about ghosts. I'd never really thought of it like that but in my opinion, there's nothing to suggest they aren't ghosts! I find it hard to believe that craft that look metallic and such are "ghosts" but I guess in the scale of things, they just as well could be. Many UFOs are described as "orbs" of light and we all know, or are led to believe, that ghosts produce orbs in photos & videos and such.

Two of the UFO's I saw streaking across the sky, come to think of it, did actually look quite ghostly. Just the unreal nature of the light-source, the flickering too. But til you made that comment I've believed what I've seen to be mechanical. But who is to say there aren't angels or ghosts out there. I don't want to drag religion into it necessarily, but amount of "glowing people" stories seems somehow related. Also people following stars that appear suddenly - ghosts? UFOs?

Well an interesting point Mr Eric, but my brain is too virgin for it at the moment. It's something I'm going to keep in mind and look into more soon Really I still think it's something a little different, and ghosts are their own different thing. I can't really explain it right now though.

Mark, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I  just don't see how you measured/perceived distance from lens to object to be at a high altitude?  

Perhaps we know that aircraft operate at some range of altitudes and that they sometimes have lights.   So when we see lights moving in a night sky we have an unconscious expectation of where they ought to be.

Point taken Rick We can learn to drive in a month, learn AGS in a year, who's to say we can't judge distances in the sky after 25? Where I'm from we have normal aircraft operating at ALL altitudes.We see meteors constantly, we've even seen the distance from here to a passing comet with the naked eye. We have the moon, we have satellites. We have a monitor in front of our eyes now and we can clearly gauge how far away that is, and adjust our eyes to it. You adjust your eyes when you see things at different altitudes, and this is something anyone can take into account with lenses, binnoculars etc, and usually, I'd have thought - with ease? There is just no way these could be small objects floating 20 metres above the camera persons head, simply no way.

And for my Mulder answer, you also have to remember space-ships are gigantic These are the most intelligent things we (don't) know of, just think about what exactly is coming in from the other side of the universe! The objects in that video are probably, at the very least, 50 foot long. And the scary thing is, they're probably at an even further altitude than we think and in the region of 100 miles long.

One other thing is the "Why would they come all the way to this end of the Universe..." quote. Well how are we to know that they're even anywhere near us. If they're flying 500 mile long ships around the last thing they're going to do is get relatively close to a civilisation like ours and accidentally smash into it. Also, if we were travelling in space and there was say...a planet of Cats, why would we want to disturb it? Ok actually there are many reasons But say a planet of regenerating crisp packets (there's a weird one for you Babar ) - why would we even bother to drop in and take a look? We probably wouldn't. But someone might, eventually. What I'm trying to say is we shouldn't assume our level of intelligence is even remotely matched in anyway to those that use space-ships.

There are so many possiblities out there and I'm sure at least 1 planet in god knows how many infinite planets there are decided to get along from the word "buh" (or equivalent situation with super intelligence levels) and are pioneering space right now like crazy. Classic school time quote - dinosaurs were around billions of years, and we've barely just begun. What you say Ryan clicks with me too. I'm beginning to wonder nowadays just how "lucky" we were to 'begin' and whether it was more along the lines of an experiment. But that's deep, too deep - even for me to be thinking about right now But I mean look, we have a moon with a face that looks down at us. We have a red planet with a face on it that looks across at us. We have one sun, one moon for our tides - all just a little convinient? What if when so called moon hit earth and became the debris it had split into two? Would our oceans have gone haywire? The "moon" to me seems almost calculated to support our life-form. And that's what takes MY head on a whirl :p

Anyway, cool debate Here's some new video clips and stuff, some related, some not, to our discussions:

Hot off the press! Lasco - something I've been watching here and there, mentioned on one of my earlier blogs. But look at this and pause at 31 seconds. I'll be bold again and tell you here's more good proof And shit me sideways, this object is gigantic...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfQImrnF40

Oh, and when I mentioned the 100 mile UFO earlier, I forgot to mention the 5000 mile one hanging out in Saturn's rings. Object near the end could be related to the one on LASCO. But it could all just as well be a load of bullshit, remember Still waiting for some better footage or images on this one, but you'd be surprised at just how hard it is to get any public images of Saturn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45tgFO0hNCI

Eric, someone claims their ghost/alien orbs have faces...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwSWEtn9f4c

What are aliens like?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgoKqClhooY

A teh real abduction!!1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9cZ8F1KTTM

All good discussion lately, thanks for taking a more serious look at it!

peas

[m0ds]

Oh, I just want to add one more thing. That LASCO image is related to a new(ish) story about a possible collision with the Sun by a comet/dwarf star/object... Apparently this will happen on August 22nd and many of us will be fried to a crisp. All just hype? Who knows...the LASCO and SOHO images in the last few days have been weird enough to back it...

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7dxQU6OtM

Explanation:
http://apocalyptichousewife.com/Planet_X.php

Well, just a few days til we find out I guess

You may also find this site interesting, lots of strange rumours!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com


Mmm, this SOHO shit is really interesting. I've never seen anything like it :/
http://soho.esac.esa.int/data/realtime/javagif/gifs/20090816_0318_c3.gif

[Khris]

Oh, and whoever did this in 4 hours is a genius. That is assuming it's pissed up students with planks...

More like four minutes. With Photoshop.

Believing in visiting aliens is one thing, but buying into the whole Planet X/2012 crap...? Wow.

[Nacho]

-Hey guys! Let's do an 50,000-year intergallactic trip to another solar system!
-What do we do when we get there?
-Crash into the Rings of a non populated planet, or couse!
-Sounds like a plan!

[smiley]

Mmm, this SOHO shit is really interesting. I've never seen anything like it :/
http://soho.esac.esa.int/data/realtime/javagif/gifs/20090816_0318_c3.gif

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov//data/REPROCESSING/Completed/2003/c3/20030220/20030220_2342_c3_512.jpg
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov//data/REPROCESSING/Completed/2005/c3/20050814/20050814_1442_c3_512.jpg


Two possible explanations:
a) It's the Death Star.
b) LASCO uses digital cameras built in the early nineties.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com

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we sometimes have to ban entire ISP Providers because of attacks on this website..

kind of funny...

[Galen]

Eric, someone claims their ghost/alien orbs have faces...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwSWEtn9f4c

Lost Souls™ have started invading the earth. We're pretty much screwed. Make the best of your remaining time, gentlemen.

[Atelier]

Don't worry Crazy, I've got a stash of BFGs and plasma guns in locker 166. The code is 927.

[m0ds]

Hehe, well yeah I'd shit myself if they had faces like that. They're probably just angry that no-one believes in their kind

Aliens saved the sun the other day

I'm sorry the translation is pretty bad, but you get the jist, things on space camera that shouldn't be on space camera, etc:
http://translate.google.es/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstarviewer.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F08%2F18%2Finforme-sobre-lo-acontecido-ayer%2F&sl=esl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8

Also that video of loads of spheres coming from a central blob now has a second angle to confirm its authenticity.

The last few days has been another major step to it becomming common knowledge that aliens exist, woot! Seriously it is going to be known in the next five years at the most, get ready for it! I'd suggest if you strictly can't accept it & refuse to - despite all this evidence - you might not be able to face some of the greater challenges of your existence in the future, but each to their own If it does become public finally then please don't try and deny it and become a psycho or something!! This is why I'm saying believe it now, cos the "or not" option is about to go out the window 

[MrColossal]

I'm curious, do you know what the official story is for these images? How many people who are looking at these images know what they are looking at? What do the experts who built it say these images are of?

[smiley]

get ready for it!

And don't forget to bring cat food.

and become a psycho or something!!

If they don't share their advanced crop circle making technology, I'll definitely go postal. 


Some more shocking evidence from LASCO:

A fleet of alien spaceships:
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov//data/REPROCESSING/Completed/2003/c3/20030912/20030912_2342_c3_512.jpg

Attack of the evil black squares, resulting in the disappearance of 1/3 of the universe:
http://soho.esac.esa.int/data/realtime/javagif/gifs/20071003_1642_c3.gif

[Matti]

(...) and we all know, or are led to believe, that ghosts produce orbs in photos & videos and such.

Don't tell me you consider the so-called "orbs" something supernatural. Please! But if so, then please tell me why they only appear on rainy or snowy days or if it's very dusty around..

[m0ds]

No, but I consider the LASCO images to be proof of something "out there". I don't believe in these orb things in photos, I reckon it's more likely dust or atmospheric, but there are a few videos out there of something ghostly and different, but orby! I've also captured orbs on camera under conditions where co-incidence is just too crazy. And thats it. I can only describe it as "crazy" which makes me think there is some truth to it at least. But as Grundy might say; "It's not all about photgraphing orbs and things" ...

Eric, I've emailed the people that run these programs and I'm waiting for a response. But if the email I sent a month ago is anything to go by, we can assume we'll never hear from them. There is no official word. And I'd figure the fact the people that built the fucking machines won't reply to my emails means - they know something and they're not willing to share. The link I gave is probably a long the lines of a scientific response - at least, it's how I'd imagine at least 1 of 1000 scientists to respond... But again, people dont have to be scientists to spot something out of the ordinary, and, as someone who has watched the LASCO/SOHO images for some time - these few that "crop up" are just too good to be true. But they most likely ARE true :/

To me the whole UFO/alien situation is like hansel and grettel. If you follow the breadcrumbs you will find the truth, if you don't, you'll be on this forum telling me what I'm saying is bullshit.

smiley, fair enough for researching! Images I've never seen but will refer to in my next video 2003 was quite an interesting year as far as LASCO is concerned. I don't know what to think...

[MrColossal]

Is that really the most likely answer to them not emailing you back, though? Why put the images on the internet for all to see if they are trying to hide something?

Reading up on these images it seems they are taking pictures of stars, the center spot in the images is an occluder that blocks out the light from the star so you can see what is happening around the star and not have your images washed out from the light of the star. They are also pretty open about what they are doing and there are many articles online describing the process, the reason and even mathematical formulas for how they dealt with distortion in the images and other things. They release the images on the internet even when these so called anomolies appear, no one had to steal them and release them to the people, no one had to file a Freedom of Information Act to get them released. The Soho space craft is a joint effort between NASA and the European Space Agency. They seem to be looking into space with an EXTREMELY SENSITIVE CAMERA and directly at stars and our sun. Is there even the slightest possibility to you that you are looking at images that you do not understand but the people who built this thing know full well are just bad pictures where the calibration was off or any number of problems when pointing a camera into space directly at a star?

http://lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil/

This is a site run by the US Military, they provide images for anyone to look at, even movies for free! Not very hush hush about this stuff if they release it for free.

http://sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil/index.php?p=cometform

Here's a site to explain how to spot comets, according to a NASA website the SOHO spacecraft has accounted for approximately one-half of all comet discoveries with computed orbits in the history of astronomy. Many of the discoveries by amateur astronomers. This site helps explain to amateurs how to spot comets and not be confused by the countless problems and errors in taking a very sensitive camera and pointing it at a star in space.

Neat, even Phil Plait explains what the images are. He is an astronomer and in my opinion extremely reliable:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/soho.html

in short:

"The point here is that people ... have no experience with digital astronomical cameras, and assume they simply take pictures. CCDs are far more complicated than that, and in fact I have just scratched the surface here with what you need to know to interpret CCD images."

I guess in conclusion... I, Eric Feurstein, can NOT WAIT for an alien spaceship to appear in our orbit. I also CAN NOT WAIT to find a microbe on another planet. I CAN NOT WAIT for us to find some algae under the ice of Europa, will it have DNA?!? HOLY CRAP! Imagine if it didn't have DNA and it was completely separate from our evolution, holy shit. The thing I ultimately can't wait for is evidence of aliens that is not easily explained by people who know what they are looking at. SOHO images are well documented on what they are, how they work and how to interpret them. THAT is how I can look at these and not be convinced, Mods, not because I'm willfully averting my eyes and rejecting evidence.