A UFO theory.

[Matti]

Sorry, mods, I checked at least half of the videos you posted and one is more rediculous than the other. If there's a tiny lightened point in the air then why does it have to be an ufo? If there's a flashlight pointing at the trees then why does it have to be an alien?

Why do you watch these videos? If you see an ufo yourself, hell, yeah, then you could and perhaps should believe that there's something going on but don't believe in such stupid faked or real footage that doesn't show anything.

[m0ds]

I've seen several UFO's matti, two this year alone, which is exactly why I'm checking out these "stupid" videos. And they weren't just lights in the sky. They were lights in the sky pulling un-earthly manovueres and travelling silently at several thousands of miles per hour. I have several mates with credible accounts too. Im just amazed that of our 5000 members Im the only person to come forward with some kind of sighting!

[Nacho]

I am curious about where do you draw the line of "reliable" M0ds... Do you really think that the Roswell Incident is reliable?

If your answer was yes, I am sorry, you are my friend and you' ll allways be, but your level of reliability goes down to 0. If you believe that this "Roswell incident" was true, there' s no need for you to go on posting "evidences", because you' ll prooved that you want to believe everything...

[Gamer_V]

This goes for a lot of those sightings. 

[m0ds]

I am curious about where do you draw the line of "reliable" M0ds... Do you really think that the Roswell Incident is reliable?

If your answer was yes, I am sorry, you are my friend and you' ll allways be, but your level of reliability goes down to 0. If you believe that this "Roswell incident" was true, there' s no need for you to go on posting "evidences", because you' ll prooved that you want to believe everything...

So I'm not allowed to believe in Roswell? I don't follow...

I have no proof that it happened or not, but several thousand newspaper articles & the same number of documentaries makes one wonder. I definitely think its a reliable source of not being given the whole truth, thats for sure. Roswell is only famous because it was essentially the first "crash" to hit global media, which was fairly new at the time. But these incidents aren't old...something like that happens every year, but its just not covererd any more because of - what I assume - is the contreversy those kind of incidents and cover ups create. I said previously that some governments have already come clean & stressed there are objects in the sky that could be of extra terrestrial nature.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/23512

People here have wild imaginations, they can conjure up great, weird storylines for games & other creative things - but show them a thousand video clips of UFOs and they say "Nah, not real". I don't see the justification in dreaming up stuff but being completely ignorant to what is actually going on above. But then saying that is a bit like you mentioning our friendship over this matter Nacho...completely irrelevant 

Still. People can make up there own minds. There's a UFO thread and I'm interested in UFOs so I'm going to continue to post significant videos and things I would consider to be evidence.

More military high ranks stating these things exist
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LIC7FfugdqE

And another plain sighting, which was investigated by a chap from ILM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NazfLbO8YZ

Anyway, at least these aliens are friendly. And at least we will have alien disclosure before FoY is released

[Nacho]

You are allowed to believe in Roswell... but if you do, having all the info about the "incident" we do have now, your value as a contertulios in this topic reaches cero, since you would prove you are open to believe in anything.

[m0ds]

Sorry, I don't have a clue what either of your posts mean 

Anyway, I saw another one tonight, making the total I've seen 5, 4 this year alone. Again, a very fast and larger object than the last ones I've seen before, so I'm happy At Mittens you can spend 20 minutes with me and see one too

There's "believing" and there's "seeing". I've been going on what I've SEEN rather than what I choose to BELIEVE, so Im fairly sure that makes my comments still quite significant in this thread. I'm sorry you're not so open as to what lies above.

[evenwolf]

Nacho is referring to the declassified Project Mogul, the research project on the sound channel using weather balloons and "flying disc" microphones.

[eric] posted a fascinating Berkley physics lecture on it, which answered all the questions and was quite profound.   I agree with Nacho that refuting the evidence in this video as a government cover-up lowers a person's credibility in my book...

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2334857802602777622

[Nacho]

All around that "Roswell case" is so shabby that if you still believe that there was an intergallactic incident there you are automatically invalidated as a witness... For me, you saying "believe me, that lights I see in the sky are alien spacecrafts" if you recognised that you believe in Roswell, is like someone saying "Believe me, I have seen fairies in the forest, and Mickey Mouse told me they are real".

It' s not just that the existence of project Mogul debunks all the mythology about the Roswell incident. Everything around that "incident" is silly.

Let's  review the case:

The "object" Mack Brazel found in his farm (big as a table, 48 kilos of duct tape, wood and plastic) had signs of having been there for days, or even weeks. It has nothing to see with the catastrophic intergallactic incident that Hollywood made us believe. The Sheriff George Wilcox, and the Mayor Jesse Marcel investigated the object for days before mentioning a word to the media. Nothing to see with the "commotion" that mistery sellers told the "object" provoqued. Why the incident was finally mentioned to the media? Easy. Col. William Blanchard, the commander of Roswell Base, was on holydays. The day before of his comeback he called the base: "Announce we have a saucer". He was really smart. If they really had a UFO, he would be the first american militar to recover one. If not, he could say "I was not there, my guys pissed it off, not me". Let' s remember that the first UFO sighting was done only a week ago, by Kenneth Arnold.

The day he came back, second officer Newton, Gen. Ramey' s (a commander who went there to see the "object") aggregate, and who worked as a metereologist in Okinawa, recognised the object as a balloon. The rests were shown to the media and nobody ever believed that something weird happened there in those days. Even the number one of "Fate" magazine, a paranormal devouted magazine which accepted everything did not mention the case. Even the compilation of famous cases till 1966 made by NICAP and APRO doesn' t mention it.

Till our friend "Bermuda triangle" Berlitz came in 1980, of course... He allowed the rumours to grow for 30 years and used the people desire of their 5 minutes of glory to make a funny compilation of interviews... Dozens, even hundreds, according to him. The problem is that those interviews are silly.

Mayor Marcel, who claimed that transported the bodies by plane was not a pilot... (Consequently not a WWII ace as he claimed as well). He did was not a physic neither, as he never had superior studies, but that' s another history...

Lidya Sleepy (who claimed that FBI interrupted a message about the saucer she was transmiting with her teletype) was operating a teletype machine that required the permission of the operator to cancel a message to receive a new incoming one.

Loretta Proctor (who said that the rest were unable to bend, burn or break) changed her testimony when her husband (Who said he never saw the rests) died. Before she recongised she never saw the rests as well...

Melvin E. Brown' s testimony (Who said he saw the bodies) was made... years after his death. It was his daughter who said (saying it for first years after his father' s death) that about the bodies. No other Brown' s relative mentioned that Melvin confessed them something regarding the bodies. Anyway, Brown was a cook and was not able to enter in the restricted areas where his daughter mentioned he saw the bodies.

Dennis, the undertaker, changed his testimony. He didn' t remember anything about "bodies" till 1980, when he said "The militars asked me for my smallest coffins". He changed that to "They bought me two small coffins because they wanted to conserve two aliens bodies" to "I went to the base with both coffins and I saw the bodies". When he was asked about his previous testimonies, he recognised he saw no bodies, but a base nurse mentioned it to him (A nurse that was never found)

And the list goes on till having 0 witnesses of the bodies, and only 6 witnesses of the rests. Not "hundreds" as Berlitz claimed.

One of that 6 is doubtfull. 4 didn't  approach to the rests enough to see anything, and the 6th says that what he had in his hands was... a ballon.

As you see... Roswell case is a big bluff.

[vict0r]

As you see... Roswell case is a big bluff.

What the..? That's the worst debunking ever! You rant on about how you need m0ds to show you evidence to even consider believing he's slightly right, and you post this? Do post a link to your source at least.

Sorry, mods, I checked at least half of the videos you posted and one is more rediculous than the other. If there's a tiny lightened point in the air then why does it have to be an ufo? If there's a flashlight pointing at the trees then why does it have to be an alien?

Can you please make a vid on how to get a flashlight on trees to turn into strong lights in the sky moving around in formation? Are you just going to deny it is real because you can't see a UFO coming over to the camera with a sign saying "I'm an alien"? Anyways, unless you can identify what the lights are, there isn't much you can disprove about them being UFO's. If they are alien, I dunno, but I wouldn't really be surprised.

[Nacho]

Yeah... saying that the total amount of witnesses goes from "hundreds mentioning a saucer" to "one mentioning a balloon" is sooooo weak as an argument...

[Nacho]

Do post a link to your source at least.

http://www.csicop.org/si/9707/roswell.html
http://www.csicop.org/si/9507/roswell.html

These are 2 short briefs... for further explanations there are some good books also... Far better that the ones by "Mr. Bermuda Triangle man", at least.

[Matti]

Sorry, mods, I checked at least half of the videos you posted and one is more rediculous than the other. If there's a tiny lightened point in the air then why does it have to be an ufo? If there's a flashlight pointing at the trees then why does it have to be an alien?

Can you please make a vid on how to get a flashlight on trees to turn into strong lights in the sky moving around in formation?

With the flashlight I referred to "the freakiest of all the UFO/alien etc videos" Mods has ever seen, the
"Most Authentic ghost footage of all time???" how it's called on YouTube.

Well, all you can see is a flashlight in a wood first pointing towards the camera and then moving over some trees. That's just rediculous.

Are you just going to deny it is real because you can't see a UFO coming over to the camera with a sign saying "I'm an alien"? Anyways, unless you can identify what the lights are, there isn't much you can disprove about them being UFO's. If they are alien, I dunno, but I wouldn't really be surprised.

1. No, there's no need for a sign like that. But it actually has to LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT FROM EARTH. I've never seen something like that and no video has ever shown something like that. If there are some lights in the sky, then WHAT THE HECK? The sky is full of flying stuff but it's not full of UFOs!

2. I want to see it myself. I don't want to see blurry footage that could be anything - faked or not faked...

3. What do you think is going on then? Some UFOs entering Earth's orbit, unseen, unscanned, unrecognized, quietly moving around? Only seen by some guys with a cheap blurry camera? And they don't matter, they're only good for appearing on YouTube? And does one need a third eye or something to spot these saucers?
What are they planning? To bother and irritate a few people at night? No contact but Eyecontact? They just want to present their latest technology to impress those savage humans..?

4. And last but not least: How come you people can live a normal life when believing that every week a flying saucer passes earth? Is it just everyday-life? Interesting but not astounding?

[Nacho]

Some people says skeptics are sectarian.

We see a light in the sky and we say: "It can be a million of different things. I don' t think it is an alien spacecraft".

"Believers" say: "I give a shit about that other 9,999,999 possibilities. It' s an alien spacecraft". Who is the sectarian here?

Saying "you can' t prove it's not an alien!" is silly. We do not need to prove they are not aliens, as we do not need to prove Smurfs, or dragons do not exist. It is you who make the extraodinary claim. Prove it.

Saying "If you don' t see that lights as an alien, you won' t ever believe in Aliens even if they get out of the ship and wave tour hands in front of your face" is silly. That "lights" have been proved to be everything but aliens, even in spectacular cases as this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=020Wgbw-PcU

So, sorry... yes, I want them to approax a bit more, get out of the spacecraft, and wave their hands.

[EldKatt]

I've seen several UFO's matti, two this year alone, which is exactly why I'm checking out these "stupid" videos. And they weren't just lights in the sky. They were lights in the sky pulling un-earthly manovueres and travelling silently at several thousands of miles per hour.

Why do you conclude that they were traveling at several thousand miles per hour? Was it possible to accurately judge their distance somehow?

[vict0r]

We see a light in the sky and we say: "It can be a million of different things. I don' t think it is an alien spacecraft".
"Believers" say: "I give a shit about that other 9,999,999 possibilities. It' s an alien spacecraft". Who is the sectarian here?

I'm not really saying that it has to be an alien spacecraft. Thing is, you can't give me a good explanation of what, for example, those lights in the sky making formations are. By the way they move and act I would say that something intelligent is controlling them, although it doesn't seem like something human-made like an airplane or even satelites, right? What is it? I dunno! Aliens? Maybe. UFO? Definitely. Fake? I see no traces of fakeness here, but please enlighten me Nacho.

I don't believe blindly in UFO's, but if you claim that the vids are fake, do actually tell me what makes them fake.

With the flashlight I referred to "the freakiest of all the UFO/alien etc videos" Mods has ever seen, the
"Most Authentic ghost footage of all time???" how it's called on YouTube.

Ah, yeah, I agree on that one!

[Nacho]

We see a light in the sky and we say: "It can be a million of different things. I don' t think it is an alien spacecraft".
"Believers" say: "I give a shit about that other 9,999,999 possibilities. It' s an alien spacecraft". Who is the sectarian here?

you can't give me a good explanation of what, for example, those lights in the sky making formations are.

I can' t give an explanation to which light formations? The ones filmed by the mexican air force? I can. I' ve studied so many SPECTACULAR cases that ended being NOTHING that you must apologize me if I don' t start to run to save your live if you shout "The wolf is coming!" (Nacho hopes that "Peter the sheeperd and the Wolf" parabola is known in the anglosaxon world...)

[SSH]

I' ve studied so many SPECTACULAR cases that ended being NOTHING that you must apologize me if I don' t start to run to save your live if you shout "The wolf is coming!" (Nacho hopes that "Peter the sheeperd and the Wolf" parabola is known in the anglosaxon world...)

Ah, Nacho, how we love your Nacho-isms. This might have read a wee bit better as:

"I've studied so many SPECTACULAR cases that ended up being NOTHING that you must forgive me if I don' t start to run to save your life if you shout "The wolf is coming!" (Nacho hopes that "The boy who cried 'Wolf!'" parable is known in the Anglo-Saxon world.)"

Funnily enough, Marian calls this fable "Peter and the Wolf", too. Perhaps the Spanish generally confuse Prokofiev with Aesop? Oh, and a parabola is a conic section generated by the intersection of a right circular conical surface and a plane parallel to a generating straight line of that surface. A parable is a short story with a moral.

[Nacho]

Ahhh, thanks for your explanations, Andrés.

Yes, in Spain that tale is called "Pedro y el lobo", and yes "Parábola" has two different meanings in Spain.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%A1bola

[The Meek Geek]

Just adding my 2 cents to the subject.
First, I read the review to the Movie, The X-Files: I Want To Believe (I saw the first movie, I liked it!) and it said there are no alien invaders or evil monsters or even sinister government conspiracies - it just features a guy who plays a defrocked psychic priest accused of child-molesting who is used by Mulder to find a murderer. When I read that, I felt rather down-hearted, what happened to the thrilling paranoid TV show I grew up with? No matter.

On the subject of aliens. I've watched some documentaries on the SPACE Channel (A Science Fiction Station in Canada). There are many theories about aliens and UFOs. They say that the US Government has Top-Secret Military Technology that is way ahead of ours and they've been experimenting on cattle and humans for quite some time. Another, more strange, is that there are actually aliens, but from another dimension, able to appear and disappear in a second. Some pilots have seen strange lights that fly around and then...poof! Gone!