A UFO theory.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

I have done it!

[mätzyboy]

I have done it!

It's beautiful!

What about "Trust no-one"?

[Hudders]

Excellent. X-Files would make a great adventure game.

[Invalid]

Excellent. X-Files would make a great adventure game.

yes it would, lots of stuff 2 do

[Matti]

Yes, ProgZ, I order you to make a game out of this. I imagine lots of hilarious dialogs between Scully and Mulder... plus I like your art!

[m0ds]

Some more news, I forgot to update and let you know that I made episode #6 of UFO Watch, available here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dirFv_4U5A8

And for the sceptics - here is definitive proof of things going on way way up above you. Please, get some IR technology for yourself and go see. Things hotten up at after about 50 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbZ16_lHOg

And finally another stunning video which I'd love to know what you think it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMHjfZ6_Bpk

Have fun watching

Other interesting space news is the mystery clouds on venus, the "impact" on Jupiter and also a large meteorite shower between now and the end of August, only thing is, we've only had one clear night here in the UK in the last week, but before it got cloudy, I saw 3 meteors in the space of a couple of minutes. Not that you care, but go look North Easterly at night and maybe you'll see a bit of a show

[Andail]

Go Mods, you're one of the least UFO-skeptical people I know

[Galen]

And for the sceptics - here is definitive proof of things going on way way up above you. Please, get some IR technology for yourself and go see.

Oh sure that's definitive proof that in nature you must account for billions, maybe even trillions of variables and sometimes you just can't and unexplained/unexplainable phenomena occur. I dare say that calling it anything other then an unexplained phenonema is just bias speculation.

I feel you may be trying to apply reason and purpose to something which can simply not be ascribed them. What we see is a result of our perception of our vision. If it matches a recognised pattern thats what we assume it is. Sort of like when you're a kid and you see a monster standing over your bed at night only to flip on the light and realise its just a shadow being cast by a small toy at your window.

A couple of small, apparently luminous objects darting across the night sky doesn't really resemble anything. Realistically it could be any number of things. The only thing it is definitive proof of is that there was a couple of small, apparently luminous objects darting across the sky that night.

Don't get me wrong, it COULD be aliens but it comes absolutely no where near to being proof in my eyes.

[Nacho]

Unexplained is not the same as unexplainable, Crazy.

[Galen]

Unexplained is not the same as unexplainable, Crazy.

Yes, I know that. In that context I meant unexplainable to mean something that can't be explained (without further observation of the events) past "It's probably just... ".

[m0ds]

Well Crazy I don't know what else might work as proof to you. If I were to see two objects teasing each other at high altitude, I'd give way to the possibility. Maybe your culture or just your own nature dissallow you to see the obvious. It's fine. When you're ready to accept it, you'll probably see something for yourself, and I'll probably be treated too

Let's take the theory of the dinosaurs. Has it occured to anyone we might be an engineered race and that dinos were cleared out to make way for us? If a comet, blah de blah, really hit earth, why don't we find thousands of gigantosauruses, etc? Why just one or two? Why are only one or two burried?

Whatever your view on that, it doesn't matter. The videos speak for themselves. There is something beyond normal reason going on. I personally feel sorry for people who'd rather knock it than give it a chance...but you're giving it a chance, and thats great

[Galen]

Maybe your culture or just your own nature dissallow you to see the obvious.

To be honest I was specifically hoping you wouldn't respond like that. I fail to see the super-duper "obvious" connection between a indestinct white object moving above me and an advanced interplanetary star-ship piloted by extra-terrestrials. I'm not saying that it isn't but to say that such a thing is "obvious". The only thing "obvious" is that it was a white object there is nothing outside of the context of UFO-searching to especially suggest that is an alien space-craft.
Do you believe in god? Then I'd assume you'd get rather offended if I said "You're obviously too religous to see how OBVIOUS it is that there's no god".
If you're an atheist then I could turn it around and say you're just in cultural denial of a god and you would also get offended, am I correct?

I hope you're starting to see my point, there is nothing obvious about either of those beliefs and theres nothing obvious about yours either. Just as a god cannot at this point in time be truely proved or disproved neither can the presence of extra-terrestrials visiting our planet.
All that can be done in these case is speculation. There is no "hard proof" to be found.

The fact that those videos you posted earlier ascribe further traits such as one of the objects being a "mothership" dispite how he could obviously not know whether or not it was true only highlights the speculatory nature of your beliefs in my opinon.
Let's look at an example: When I was a kid around about christmas time I saw this indestinct shape in the sky, I thought it was Santa Clause, the more and more I thought about it the more that memory looked like Santa's sled complete with raindeers and a pile of presents on the back of the sled, a few years later when my parents revealed that he wasn't revealed I was disturbed past meer disappointment because of that sighting, I had suffered and been mentally shook because I failed to differentiate what it could have been and what I thought it was (and to be honest I still don't know part of me thinks it may have been some inflatable sled-shaped balloon).

I dislike it when people apply I'm in denial for drawing a line between "What could...", "What is...", and "What I think it is".

You see that video and all three of those evidentally become "It's a spaceship".

I see it and I think:
"It COULD be some manmade aircraft, it COULD be some meteorlogical phenomeon like electricity in the air or a shooting star, or it COULD be a spaceship"
"I see two luminous objects, they appear to be quite small however I cannot gauge the distance, it is also dark so I cannot tell it they are part of a larger object nor tell what is causing the illumination"
and finally I think
"The objects are so indestinct and their behaviour is unlike anything I can recall seeing so I just don't know what they are although personally I don't think it's likely to be a spaceship".

I'm not trying to say what they are or arn't, but rather that what you have is a possible explaination, not cold, hard, irrefutable proof. So these couple of posts have purely been attempts to try to convince you to broaden the logic you apply to these sightings.

[Nacho]

And for the sceptics - here is definitive proof of things going on way way up above you. Please, get some IR technology for yourself and go see. Things hotten up at after about 50 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbZ16_lHOg

What is this? The correct answer is... we don't know.

Some possible ansers are:

-Two fighters during exercises... Human made ones, of course.
-Two birds.
-A guy who fimed a screen where something he made in his computer is being played (fake).
-Fireflies.
-Two alien made aircraft which have travelled for million years for saying hello to us, but just forgott, and left the planet just after doing some stunts in the air above of the house of some random guy, in spite of doing it in above the White house or something for announcing its presence, which left without landing, giving us a message of peace, or a threat of a future war if we do not change our costumes.
OR
-Two spacecraft made by a civilization which did not want us to discover them, which managed to build spaceships which can travel along the spaces for million years or which controls hyperspace tecnology and do not have tecnology to hide its IR signal to a mere 50$ videorecorder.

Any of those is POSSIBLE. Not all those are PLAUSIBLE.

[m0ds]

Heh, let's just say I wouldn't have posted them if I didn't think it was easy for average joe to assatain the difference between a bird and what I'd call alien intelligence. You're kind of right Nacho - the question was we don't know - but yes I suppose Crazy is right, I am trying to push you to the real question - we DO know these objects are there, we DO know they aren't weather phenomena so now we want real closure on what they really are. The question "are we alone in the universe" has been answered since dawn of man, yet our way of thinking has us all set in that we need to hear it come from the voice of god or a 21st century equivelant, spokesman for a government or space agency. Yet really the answers are all around, being gathered & put forward by every kind of individual, how it should be.

So when you say "we don't know", does that mean you've finally given in to the possiblity of alien intelligence? ;) Sounds like you have bud :) The videos are genuine - the titling may seem phoney to you but it gets people interested. Basically what a lot of people are doing nowadays is using infared binoculars & scopes along with their video cameras to watch the sky. It's only been in the last few years that prices on IR has come down for consumers - the guy that filmed stuff in Dundee would've paid about $200 for his, and they come complete with video output. Now by the look of it, they've had to set up a TV in there shed and then video the TV screen. Well, you don't care about all that but this is again just to let you know I don't enjoy phoney UFO vids myself so I do check all these things out :P The way that video is filmed is actually very clever - a good way to do it so as to get live commentary.

In this day and age more of the stranger options in your list are plausible than those of "obvious" origin. Advances and miracles in science that occur on a daily basis, all toned down though again because of our way of thinking it's just "cancer cure" that would hit the headlines. Every week NASA & other space agencies"discovers" something out in space in the media that they didn't know before (apparently), or way the universe works, "why we are here". The question is who's looking out for all these articles and able to make some structure from it? I'm not saying I can, but I'm saying it's perfectly possible :) They say that 95% of UFO cases can be accounted for, as aircraft, balloons, weather etc, 5% is the "unknown", I'd say by now we're at least really about 90/10 on that. In fact, I think they're stalling figures. It's probably really more like 40/60 and they just won't admit it.  :=

But I'm glad it got you thinking ;)

Crazy, my wording was a bit crap on that one - sorry, but you've helped me work it out a little better. Everyone with their individual backgrounds will have different beliefs, and sure culture and religion may play a part in it - but I was trying to be more broad, about peoples backrounds - not attactking your religion :P But through this you told me about your Santa story! And that's cool enough. Maybe it really WAS him! ;D I'm open minded about God to be honest though dude, I was a member of the church for 18 years and have an A-Level in religion & theology. But studying that helped me gain a much better self-confidence in what I percieved as "obvious" and "true" and stuff.

I'd say journeying through church & all those studies allow me to come to a better conclusion about the stranger stuff going on out in the world. And most people I know have religious ties, and so have been taught about what God is and stuff but really we should all go find our own is. But I do see your points, sorry if I seemed offensive.

So by the end of your post you're almost saying you're convinced anyway :P So good stuff :) Like I said I wouldn't post any old crap that I think could easily be identified as something obvious like a bird. Perhaps as a video-maker I see it as irrifutable whereas those who maybe haven't made videos can't really tell the difference in production techniques and stuff - and a whole load of other factors including the research I've put into this stuff - but again thats personal backgrounds (rather than the way I reffered to it last time Crazy :P)

Some people won't accept it. Some people will just think its a pretty video ;D Some people won't even watch it! That's fine. Cos I'm glad you both sounded pretty open to it (finally!1) It'd be nice to start talking with people about the actual possiblities of alien existence, life, intelligence and stuff - but again this is really something that's already known. Wild imaginations would be put down on the knowledge of certain facts. And to be honest, I guess that stuff is too deep and wild to talk about in its own right - and I know I can't filter whats true and obvious in that subject yet either ;)

But keep questioning it dudes. Just have a little more faith in it than birds and balloons ;)

And keep your eye on the sky! Even Google is trying to remind you at the moment ;D

peace!

PS; ANDAIL - haha yes! You know the score. Fly man fly!

[Nacho]

Did I say I am almost convinced? 



About that "5% that can't be unexplained...": Well: 95% of explanations is a FRICKIN' HIGH PERCENTAGE. I mean, I don't think you think that the Yeti was the murdered of those 36% of non solved murders in the US, do you? Why do you think those 5% are aliens? For me, it' s just the same... Unexplained is not the same as unexplainable, as I mentioned before.

It's cool to witness something you can't understand and say: "I don't  know what it is". Much better that coming with the first fantasy answer that comes to the mind.

[Ryan Timothy B]

All I can say is, Stop looking into YouTube for true UFO sightings.  Seriously.  It's really sad.
The video of the video was the worst UFO sighting I've ever seen.  If these people are SERIOUSLY going to be spending their time sitting in this shed, watching the night sky with IR cameras.... why the hell would they be recording the tv?
   This to me sounds like they recorded the night sky, panned around randomly, then took the footage and altered it with some pretty little glowing dots chasing each other.  Then sat in a room/shed whatever, and recorded from the tv that was playing the doctored footage.

Whatever the case... 99% of the 'authentic looking' UFO videos on YouTube are probably doctored.

I'm not a skeptic of life outside this solar system, or the possibility of the government hiding this really advanced technology.  Hell I think about that shit all the time.

And the funniest thing were the crop circles you had on your video.  Why would some 'aliens' make a crop circle with some fish on it?  LOL  I'm surprised even you haven't gone out with some friends to make crop circles yet, just so you can see the publicity from it.

That's what all of this is.  Attention.
Making a spoof video of a UFO is something I've always wanted to do.

Oh well... everyone deserves a hobby.  This one is just a little weird.    lol

Oh.. And I totally quote Andail!

[Nacho]

I've been doing research. Stars are not visible via IR video records... Seems we have a fake, here. 

[m0ds]

Where did you conduct your research Nacho, your butt-crack?

If you'd delved far enough you'd have found out about Generation 1 & Generation 2 night vision. If you'd have delved even farther up your crevice, you'd have also learnt that Generation 3 (see below) has recently only reached a consumer level.



*sigh*

Now if the concept of placing a video camera lens to a scope eye hole or using an A/V output from a set of IR binnoculars into a TV and then sticking a video camera in front of that and recording the TV because you can't plug the  output from binnoculars into a normal video camera - is too hard to understand...you're in a world of shit

[Nacho]

Okay... Thanks for your answer. It's true, I knew that IR cameras had difficulties to record the light of the stars, I had no information about 3 generation ones. It will be something I will mention in the Skeptic Circle Club, it's something they must know for not pissing it off like I did! 

But... I don' t think that are good news for UFO believers, to be honest...

That means that we have a camera that can even get the IR trace of long stars... Which means that it has the "power" to see the IR trace of something that has not been easilly seen by previous IR cameras.

So, what we have here is a frickin' sensitive camera!

That opens wide the number of possible objects that can be recorded... So, it can be anything... Bats, fireflies, birds, fighters... Anything. Come on, don't be so close minded to say that, from the zillion of possible answers, the UFO one, your answer, is the ONLY one! Open your mind as we skeptics do! 

[MrColossal]

I find an interesting question to apply to the unknown like this is:

How do you know those aren't ghosts?

What are the reasons they are ghosts and what are the reasons they aren't ghosts?