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[Calin Leafshade]

IMHO, Babar is an elephant

[TerranRich]

You're a bit unclear on what exactly you want me to say in my own thread, Chicky.

[TerranRich]

To be fair, I wasn't the one claiming that the only features left to add to AGS were frivolous ones, then being sarcastic with his argument. Chicky, you yourself claimed that Calin was saying that AGS was pretty much perfect, but everybody should realize that nothing is perfect. If CJ decides to abandon AGS, then fine, that's his prerogative, but if he still has the same attitude today that he has for the past 10+ years, then I don't see AGS just halting in its development.

[Snake]

Look. I know Babar is kidding, but no, Calin does not suck. I hope he knows that I do not think that way because of what I said. I certainly did not intend for this to turn into CalinLeafshade bashing. You know what, in my defense, there were a bunch of good things I said about that guy (every word was the absolute fucking truth) and one offensive thing. Everyone has at least one thing about them that some one else isn't going to like. Calin is not perfect and I sure the fuck am not either. And furthermore, Calin has a lot more in that fucking head of his than I ever had or will.

There is a lesson here on my part, and it is to stop posting in threads that have nothing to do with me at that point in time. I always seem to post when I shouldn't. It's just certain things hit a button sometimes and I feel like I need to say something.

Or am I just posting comments that are my opinion just like Calin was? Regardless, I'm done posting in threads that start to heat up. Maybe even at all. All I do is sound like an idiot anyway.

Calin, sorry. I'm sure you don't like me any more now than you already did.

And Terran, sorry to butt in between something that I had nothing to do with to begin with.

[Calin Leafshade]

ha ha dude chill. I wasn't offended in the slightest.

except when babs said i suck

[Babar]

I am sorry that you suck .

[TerranRich]

I certainly don't hate Calin. I'm just saying he can be a dick sometimes. Then again, so can I.

[Misj']

<sigh>

First off, let me say that I have no intention to bash Calin (possibly some of his ideas, but that mutual).  Also I fully realize that my own posts aren't the most 'soft' either (I just happen to like sarcasm, cynicism, and some other words ending with the letters 'sm').

I do feel that in this particular case Calin didn't 'argue' his position as well as he could; and as a result I haven't learned whether his opinion - in this case - is based on more than his own needs and wishes for AGS, or whether it's something that could be applied more generally. He does have a point concerning the 2D lowres adventure games of the early 90's, and he does have a point concerning plugins (and he is among the people who have shown the power of AGS), and I personally wouldn't mind if AGS became more of a community project in some areas than a one-man-job.

However, I also feel that he was a little too focussed on 'his own little box' (that sounds worse that I intended it), and didn't look at the subject as open-minded as he could. As a result, some of his reactions to my and other people's posts gave the impression that he regarded their opinions as misinformed or not well thought through without considering them worth thinking about. I'm not saying that he didn't think about them, or dismissed them immediately because they didn't fit his own...but he did give that impression (at least to me).

The thing is, I generally discuss a subject to learn the other person's view on it. I will defend my stance feverishly, but I can argue any side on any subject if given at least thirty minutes to think about it (ok, that's a bit exaggerated), and I regularly do (even though there are some points that I won't defend in public out of principle). The subject of twitter didn't interest me; the subject on possible directions AGS could take (also as a community) did...so I regarded this as a brain-storming session, where I was putting stuff in to look at the subject in a broader sense. Not to find an answer to the question of the future of AGS (I think that's largely up to CJ anyway), but to get some ideas and arguments on the subject. I still hope to get some more ideas for Calin and others.

Oh...and I of course completely disagree with Calin on whatever he says or thinks...I blame his girly photograph

Ps. And the fact that I can't write short posts just proves that I will never be able to comprehend Twitter

[GarageGothic]

While I agree that Calin's original comment about AGS being at the end of its development came a bit out of the blue, I really think you guys are taking his simple statement of opinion way too seriously. He didn't 'argue' his position as well as he could? Why should he? He's not trying to convince anybody of anything. It's an opinion, not a feature suggestion (or rather whatever the reverse of that would be) - CJ isn't even taking part in the thread, so everything is pure speculation on the future of AGS. There's no argument to win, just people stating their feelings on the matter, which apparently are quite strong.

This isn't Alan-fucking-Wake, the things we write do not magically come true. Whatever happens to AGS is all up to CJ, and he is a kind and loving programmer so may his will be done. Go in peace, my brothers!

Off-topic (but haven't we gone far beyond that point several pages ago?):
Terran, I mean no offense, but I'm having the hardest time focusing on and taking the perfectly eloquent and sensible things you write seriously since you changed your avatar. Maybe it's just a very personal thing, but I find that stupid/ugly avatars really color my impression of a post - same thing with Monsieur OUXX' new avatar image. Took me several re-readings to be sure you weren't just being a dick. Not saying you should change it, nor suggesting that others may feel the same, just letting you know - IMHO and all that .

(Now I'm actually beginning to wonder if part of the reason that subsparks' posts don't irk me as often as before was his change to a more neutral avatar - I'm almost afraid to check if his old posts actually sounded arrogant as I read them, or it was all due to .gif-based prejudice  ).

Wow, weird that Misj posted this while I was writing:

Oh...and I of course completely disagree with Calin on whatever he says or thinks...I blame his girly photograph

[LimpingFish]

Maybe it's just a very personal thing, but I find that stupid/ugly avatars really color my impression of a post...

This is something I've noticed too. Weird.

EDIT: When a person changes their avatar (especially a well-used one) I get a similar feeling. It's like getting used to somebody's face.

[TerranRich]

Calin-lovers vs. Calin-haters: FIGHT!!!1111

Maybe it's just a very personal thing, but I find that stupid/ugly avatars really color my impression of a post...

My avatar can't help at all then.

[Jim Reed]

Bah, Calin avatar looks like a girl, don't take him seriously.

[TerranRich]

One more "Calin looks like a girl" joke, and we'll have reached critical mass! Come on, people, we can do this!

[Calin Leafshade]

isnt this cyber-bullying?

[GarageGothic]

Methinks you're all just trying to convince yourselves that Calin looks like a girl rather than a 12 year old boy, so you don't feel quite as bad about finding him sexy. What a bunch of pervs!  :o

[Calin Leafshade]

youre not helping GG

...buncha gary glitters 

[LimpingFish]

This thread has lost its way!

Take it outside and burn it.

[TerranRich]

I vote we kill it with fire.

[Domino]

Group Hug everybody!!

[Monk]

People come and go.. But people come back.. Its ags, 12 years I know about it and still, the peoples are here.. So, its not the end, because all these supportive peoples is what matters,

Live long!