Anime

[DGMacphee]

It's a common misconception that downloading anime that hasn't been released in your country is legal. It's still illegal, but with some loopholes. To back up Esseb's comment, I urge you to read this:

http://www.auphanonline.com/articles/view.php?article_id=1423

So Esseb is right.

EDIT: And aside from the loopholed anime, I also spot a few titles on the list that are sold internationally, like Yu-Gi-Oh! and Sailor Moon. It's illegal. Deal with it.

[Nacho]

I am not an expert in laws, but saying that you can distribute or dowload something that hasn't been released in your country seems to go against all logic. I mean... In many countries most of the premieres of importants films are made months after the premiere in the original state, let's say, New Zealand... Would be considered legal to download a film of, let's say, the Lord of the Rings, because it hasn't been released yet in Spain?

In my opinion nobody sane would have felt like doing something legal for dowloading a pirate copy of the Lords of the Rings, stolen of Peter Jackson's desk, before the premiere here...

Which is the excuse for Manga? That those manga series have been released a lot of time before in their original countries and they've lost the "right" to be distributed more later? So, must the distributor make a "Simultaneous world premiere" to keep its rights about those series? I am not sure about Japanese laws, but I am tired of seeing "The owner of the copyright has the rights of "insert series/characters here" in and out the United States", I guess it must happen the same with the Japs.

That's my logic... It may have nothing to see with the real world  , for that you'll have to read DG's link, but I am lazy today for that... 

[DGMacphee]

READ THE DAMN LINK ANYWAY, YOU LAZY BUGGER!!!

[Haddas]

I love Naruto. Sure, it's kinda silly at times, but there's a fanbase for everything

EDIT: I love living in Finland...

[Adamski]

I've never really been able to get into anime. I've tried watching various 'well known' titles and they've all made the skin try to crawl off my body in embarrasment. I guess I lose.

I've seen Spirited Away though, which I'd rate as one of my favourite films ever. Does that count? I've always had the impression that saying "Spirited Away, I love that film!" will result in hundereds of hardcore anime devotees all groaning and shaking their heads and recommending a million titles that are supposedly much better (yet will probably trigger the aformentioned skin-crawling condition)...

[Nacho]

READ THE DAMN LINK ANYWAY, YOU LAZY BUGGER!!!

:o  :o  :o

[jetxl]

...I also spot a few titles on the list that are sold internationally, like Yu-Gi-Oh! and Sailor Moon. It's illegal. Deal with it.

Talking about "LAZY BUGGER!!!" who dont "READ THE DAMN LINK"

Quote from animesuki

....Please note that this is the first series of Yu-Gi-Oh!, which has never been licensed. 4Kids has announced not license and air this first series on TV, presumably due to the content (which is supposedly a bit violent)...

...The first two seasons (Sailor Moon and Sailor Moon R) are no longer licensed according to ADV's website.
Seasons three and four (Sailor Moon S and SuperS) have been licensed by Geneon Entertainment.
The fifth season (Sailor Stars) has not yet been licensed. Considering the transgendered nature of its new characters, it probably never will be....

[Flippy_D]

Agreed. Evangelion really is annoying. Maybe it's bad translation, but after the first few episodes it just goes downhill. A lot of pseudo-philisophical material and too many unanswered questions with too little to help clarify.

[viktor]

Hy. I'm no anime movies expert. But I realy love to read the comics. A few years back I realy liked Dragon Ball. Then I saw the german translated versions on RTL2. They were fantastic. The only crap is I got hooked. Waited for the next series (GT) to come but they newer did. Man was I disapointed. I hate it when a TV company buys licens for stuf and they don't buy the whole thing.

[Esseb]

Jet X.L.: DG's main point was not that Sailor Moon was licensed. While I'm not particularly interested in carrying on this discussion, it would be nice if you at least acknowledged our point.

[DGMacphee]

...I also spot a few titles on the list that are sold internationally, like Yu-Gi-Oh! and Sailor Moon. It's illegal. Deal with it.

Talking about "LAZY BUGGER!!!" who dont "READ THE DAMN LINK"

Quote from animesuki

....Please note that this is the first series of Yu-Gi-Oh!, which has never been licensed. 4Kids has announced not license and air this first series on TV, presumably due to the content (which is supposedly a bit violent)...

...The first two seasons (Sailor Moon and Sailor Moon R) are no longer licensed according to ADV's website.
Seasons three and four (Sailor Moon S and SuperS) have been licensed by Geneon Entertainment.
The fifth season (Sailor Stars) has not yet been licensed. Considering the transgendered nature of its new characters, it probably never will be....

Well, since you didn't actually link to that blurb in your signature (Was it from the FAQ or something else? I don't know. You don't even say.) how can you expect me to read it before you accuse me of being a lazy bugger? It's like a teacher telling you to study page 45 of a textbook and then giving a test for page 76. I mean, I don't go reading through an entire site just because I want to prove a minor point in an argument. Your the one pimping the site, so why don't you provide adequate links?

And even then, the blurb you posted doesn't render my main argument invalid, which is:

DOWNLOADING THE ANIME ON YOUR LIST IS STILL ILLEGAL

And you've said nothing that proves me incorrect. So think about that before you accuse me of being a lazy bugger. In fact, you're the lazy bugger cause:

a) You didn't even bother to post a link along with the blurb you wrote and you automatically assume I'm supposed to know everything about that site despite the fact that you're the one linking to it in the first place.
b) More importantly, you automatically assume downloading anime is legal without actually checking things out. At least I checked things out. You did squat!

In conclusion, you're an even lazier bugger than Farlander. And with Farlander I was joking. With you, I'm serious.

[Nacho]

And with Farlander I was joking.

* Farlander dances

     

[DGMacphee]

Ah, you know I can't get mad at you, you adorable Spaniard you!

[Nacho]

At least, not after the peace treaty and the declaration of love!Ã, 

[DGMacphee]

In the spirit of this thread, I award your kitty the highest honour:

[Sylpher]

Not that the gen-gen is famous for provoking thought, but I am pretty sure a thread that could hold an interesting discussion on an art medium that is fairly misunderstood has failed. Anime has its fair share of downfalls, but this is nothing but half explained opinions, kittens, small legal debate and favorite movie pimping. Could we at least show the art form a little respect.. whether you like or dislike it?

Starting with just flat out killing this thread..

Edit. Not that Cluey did a very good job initiating a conversation, but still.

[DGMacphee]

We was just having fun.  OMG DOANT BE SO BAKA!!1 :'(

Alright, I'll put it back on track...

Anyone seen Tokyo Godfathers? That was a great anime. A very wonderful story. If it was choice among Three Men and a Baby, Ice Age, and Tokyo Godfathers, I'd choose Tokyo Godfathers. It challenges the notion of parenting better than the previous two.

[Nacho]

The problem is that the world "ANIME" is so vast that we can't really discuss about it, face it... Do you imagine a thread called "Hollywood"? What should we do to discuss about the average quality of the films made in "Hollywood"? Syablish a scientific method to mesure the quality of the films, see the thousand films they make every year and apply the formula? That's not practical. Some anime is good, some is average and some is bad, end of discussion.

And downloading things under copyright license is illegal... final dot!

[jetxl]

I, for one, would like to continue the discussion, because you made me very curious if it is legal or not.
About this article, DG.
The first paragraph sais "Yes, it is illegal!". That is very clear. But the rest of the text doesn't show any real law cases. In fact, the article shows examples when it's not illegal. The article doesn't refer to ANY lawbooks, and is written in a desperate way to be funny. Hahaha, Yakuza Corporation, what will he think up next, hohoho[/sarcastic].
Another thing: I've seen the film Lords Of The Flies, but don't know anything else about it. I do know that American Publishers got rich of The Lord Of The Rings book, and that Tolkien didn't got a dime because of the Brittish copyrights only aplied inside Britain at the time. Could it be that the writer mixed up the books in his example? I wonder...
Do I believe this comedian-wannabe, or the 245+ anime-fansub groups who NEVER been prosecuted for distributing un-lisenced fan-subs. I'll take the latter.

Anyway, DG, if you show me law cases were anime fansubbers did got prosecuted because they were distributing un-lisenced anime and had their server in Holland (or Germany, or America, or Australia where for some reason LSL8 is illegal), then I wil switch sides faster that a burger at Burgerking.

-that is all.

[Nacho]

But in DG's article, (the few I've read, I am not a complete lazy bugger) says it is legal, bur unlikely prosecuted...

So, if you bet DG to look for examples of prosecuted for distributing Anime you're using a trick...

But well... he's smart enough to see that by himself, so...

* Farlander goes to make a sandwich...