BDSM = happiness!

[Akatosh]

You know, it says a lot about the AGS community that this didn't turn out to be a totale flamefest.

And yeah, whatever floats your boat is fine as long as it's consensual, all participants can legally agree, and everybody involved enjoys it. Well... except if we're talking about this. I'm not sure what that does to the consensuality thing.

[EldKatt]

And yeah, whatever floats your boat is fine as long as it's consensual, all participants can legally agree, and everybody involved enjoys it. Well... except if we're talking about this. I'm not sure what that does to the consensuality thing.

Nothing at all, for many decades to come? Or am I missing something?

[lo_res_man]

However, there is already educational films to scare the pa-doodles out of you if you even consider that. Observe

[Ponch]

... Now futanari on the other hand. . .

One quick Google search later.... AH! MY EYES!

Actually, I've seen this before. I just didn't know that it went by that name. From what little Japanese is still rattling around in my head from years back, I was expecting something else. Like centaurs or something, I guess.

Frankly, I'm utterly baffled by it, but hey, you know, whatever turns your crank, you know?

I have a friend who has a bunch of manga with this stuff in it. I'm sure Freud would have a field day with her. She's big into the "yaoi" manga too. The latter I "get," even if it's not my thing. If you don't mind, lo_res_man, what is the appeal of the futanari stuff? I'm not criticizing you. I'm not grossed out by it either (saw too many German and Japanese video nasties while I was in the service to ever by grossed out by anything again, I suspect). I just don't "get" it. Google returned a hell of a lot of stuff, so there must be a market for it. What's the appeal, dude?

And on the BDSM topic, it seems to me that the shock value of S/M was played out a long time ago. Once super models starting strutting the catwalks in fetish gear, any "underground" cred it still had evaporated overnight. Hell, even Brittney Spears laughably tried out the look.

Now that S/M is becoming mainstream, what's the next taboo?

Futanari, I suppose? Maybe lo_res_man is on the cutting edge of the next big thing?

- Ponch

[Ghost]

Now that S/M is becoming mainstream, what's the next taboo?

Robert A. Heinlein answers this in a short story, the name of which has slipped my mind. In that story a guy time-travels into a future where all sexual perversions are so normal that, desperate for a freak minority, people who quitely sit in restaurants to have dinner are hunted down with torches and pitchforks by angry mobs.

If it were Starbuck's clienteel, I'd totally understand that.

[Ponch]

people who quitely sit in restaurants to have dinner are hunted down with torches and pitchforks by angry mobs.

Well, that's what the deserve, isn't it? Flaunting their quiet, middle class lifestyle for all to see. Lording their satisfying, vanilla sex lives over everyone. The nerve of some people!

I've read a lot of Heinlein over the years. Must have missed that one. I'll have to look it up as it sounds quite interesting.

- Ponch

[LimpingFish]

Futanari, as in girls with penises (though this is actually a generalization, as true Futanari means having both a penis and a vagina) is just another fetish, one of the more harmless ones, imo.

As for it's appeal to both heterosexual men and women,  some explanations lean towards the fact that, in the case of a male futanari fetishist, the penis is familiar as a sexual organ, and therefore less threatening than the vagina. For them, Futa girls simply combine the fantasy of masturbation and a female partner who you know how to bring to orgasm; involving nothing more or less what you're already engaged in. For the female futanarist(?), it combines the ability to have actual penetrative sex with another girl, thus bypassing all the emotional baggage involed with male/female sexual politics, along with a sexual partner with a similar (ie. female) emotional psyche. Hooray!

Support your local library, friends.

[lo_res_man]

What I find personally about futanari is that it eliminates the middleman as it were. It's like watching a fantasized strap on pornography. When your watching straight guy-on-girl pornography, it's all fun, but there is this guy there, and he isn't exactly adding to the enjoyment, unless  you are into guys as well. With futanari, the guy is replaced by a woman just as a beautiful as the one on the other side of the bed. And what makes it even better, is that unlike a strap on, the closest real world equivalent, is that there can be a male orgasm. How does this differ from shemales? Quite simply, unless you are a very  lucky 'woman' your not going to be as hot as a genuine girl female.  There is also the appeal of  drawn porn, in that things can be as ludicrous as you like. Dicks can be 20 inches long, and breasts could put prize winning pumpkins to shame. It is just as much a fantasy as the idea of "Why yes, doctor, I will strip for the examination, and then I will sleep with you, because I am a nymphomaniac", and "Why doctor, we only were at it for 10 seconds, yet I have already achieved orgasm 3 times."

[Nacho]

If you squirt you are "lucky woman"? I don' t get it... 

[lo_res_man]

If you squirt you are "lucky woman"? I don' t get it... 

What I mean is, most biological men who get sexual reassignement surgery, still wouldn't and don't look very attractive.

[Nacho]

Ah! Thanks! Missunderstood.

[LimpingFish]

Yeah, I can see side of it too. Since the shot of the male participant in a porno ejaculating is usually considered the visual signal, subconscious or otherwise, for the viewer to also, er, finish up, that signal is missing from, as lo_res_man has pointed out, a coupling of two females (strap-on optional). Yet Futa gives the viewer both.

Learning is fun!

[lo_res_man]

Learning is fun!

"And knowing is half the battle!"

[Ponch]

"And knowing is half the battle!"

"G I Joe!"

Thanks for the explanations on the futanari thing. I think I understand what you and limping fish are getting at.  I guess I just prefer my ladies with the factory standard parts. Call me old fashioned.

Thanks also for that link to the Futurama clip. I had forgotten how funny that show was. Also, very true I suspect. I know if I were to ever get my hands on a Bettie Page Bot or a Pam Grier Bot I would never make it to work again. If I managed to get my hands on both of those robots, I suspect they would find me dead of starvation*, tangled up in a pile with my robots.

- Ponch
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* Or extreme dehydration

[Makeout Patrol]

Now that S/M is becoming mainstream, what's the next taboo?

Robert A. Heinlein answers this in a short story, the name of which has slipped my mind. In that story a guy time-travels into a future where all sexual perversions are so normal that, desperate for a freak minority, people who quitely sit in restaurants to have dinner are hunted down with torches and pitchforks by angry mobs.

If it were Starbuck's clienteel, I'd totally understand that.

Ahahahahahhaha

Reading Heinlein is a really bizarre experience for me, because I really enjoy his books, but I don't think I've ever agreed with anything of his that I've read.

[Ultra Magnus]

Well, this thread has certainly been... enlightening.

I personally can't see any of the big stuff, like paedophilia or bestiality, ever being socially acceptable.
But then again, they probably said that about interracial sex a hundred years ago, and now an asian fetish* is possibly the most common thing in the world, next to foot fetishes.

The robo-fetish stuff does bring up certain questions, though.
One could argue that, until robots reach a certain level of intelligence, they are merely objects, like sex toys.
Therefore consent is not an issue, and will not become an issue until AI tech has advanced to a point where they can consider all the moral and social implications of their actions to a degree large enough that they can be held responsible for their own decisions.
But then, is that not the point behind paedophilia and bestiality being illegal, that the subject is not morally or emotionally developed enough to give informed consent?

* I don't like using that term. How come, if you like black girls or white girls or indian girls or whatever, it's just a preference, but if you like asian girls, it's a fetish? Nevertheless, I'm not sure how else to describe it within contexts such as these.

[Makeout Patrol]

Well, this thread has certainly been... enlightening.

I personally can't see any of the big stuff, like paedophilia or bestiality, ever being socially acceptable.
But then again, they probably said that about interracial sex a hundred years ago, and now an asian fetish* is possibly the most common thing in the world, next to foot fetishes.

The robo-fetish stuff does bring up certain questions, though.
One could argue that, until robots reach a certain level of intelligence, they are merely objects, like sex toys.
Therefore consent is not an issue, and will not become an issue until AI tech has advanced to a point where they can consider all the moral and social implications of their actions to a degree large enough that they can be held responsible for their own decisions.
But then, is that not the point behind paedophilia and bestiality being illegal, that the subject is not morally or emotionally developed enough to give informed consent?

* I don't like using that term. How come, if you like black girls or white girls or indian girls or whatever, it's just a preference, but if you like asian girls, it's a fetish? Nevertheless, I'm not sure how else to describe it within contexts such as these.

Pedophilia in the form of pederasty was actually socially acceptable and normal in ancient Greece, so it hasn't always been taboo, but I highly doubt that it will ever be acceptable in our society ever again, because we now have the capacity to recognize that it causes lasting psychological harm in addition to the consent issue.

As for "asian fetishes," here in Vancouver, where asians make up at least 40 or 50% of the population, I've never heard that term used; it's just a preference, just the same as any other race. If you're making fun of someone, you might say that they have "The Feve," because it doesn't sound as racist as "Yellow Fever."

[bicilotti]

http://eclectech.co.uk/b3ta/egadnobondage-wallpaper.jpg

[Ghost]

It's nice to discuss open-minded. On deviantart, we had this thing going around for a while



(I hasten to add that this is not my artwork!)

[LimpingFish]

I like that a lot.