Bet you didn't see THIS coming....

[Nacho]

I don't want to create polemic, but... But aren't (IMHO) all that "homo" symbols totally sexist? When a song is released, people do not say "That's a hetero song!"... heteros don't have colors, like pink, or a "hetero proud day" or "hetero bars". The "official gay" reply is that those "gay symbols" are a reply to a society that is, except that, totally hetero, but I think that people don't give a fuck about sexuallity and its the gays who like to remember the heteros which is their sexual choose... I really look hypocrital all that symbology and that claim to be different when many times gay associations are demmanding equality.

It is like...

-You know? I'm gay!
-Ok...
-Have you heard me? I am gay.
-Ok, I am hetero... so?
-I think you don't understand me! I am gay!
-And?
-See??? You're isolating me from the society? I knew you are homophobic!
-I am not...
-Yes! Only homophobics deny their homophoby! I am going to dress in pink, listening Gloria Gaynor and leave a Freddy Mercury's moustache! Because you do not accept me like I am! So I am going to be a totally gay cliché and in that way you'll have to accept me! Or at least, in that way people will know at the very first glance that I am gay, and in that way, if they don't like it, they would avoid me!!!
-Ok... ( )

I don't know if you know what I am talking about... but when people yells to the winds "I AM GAY" in the way some people does, for me, the reply they're expecting is "Well, not that there's nothing wrong with that, but..." And then, start complaining about that "but"... But many times those who yell just receive "Tell it to someone who cares! And don't yell, there's people wanting to sleep over here!!!"

[Blackthorne]

Eh, I don't care where people get their orgasms from.  It sure as hell ain't from me, so what do I care?

Seriously, I hear what you are saying Farlander, about the symbols, colors and the need to express yourself.  However, I don't walk around screaming "I love to fuck chicks, and I'm proud of it!!!"  However, I have seen a few rednecks with shirts that say "I love Boobies" so that may be a rather uncouth way of suggestion that you are, in fact, heterosexual.  Anyhow, sometimes I think that being "gay" is a way of being chic, in some circles, and that some people just want attention.  Of course, takin' a shot in the mouth or up the tailpipe is definitely some attention - I'd sure notice that myself! 

People are people.  If you're cool, you're cool.  If you suck, you suck.  I don't care who you love, how you love them, and what you want from another person.  If you wanna touch, rub, suck, fuck, lick and whatever to a member of your own gender, hey, rock on.  Someday, no one will give a shit about any of this and people will just be people.

On that note, "Will and Grace" is on.....


Bt

[Nacho]

Mmmm... That made me think, and for me, I do love boobies and I say it! But I see some differences... I've seen stickers with the "I'm gay" (Do you imagine a sticker with a legend "I am hetero!") I've never seen a sticker of "I love boobies" neither, (But I think they can exist...).

I am not talking of making commentaries about people or sexual activities that appeal you... I won't complain if a gay friend of mine says "hey, that guy has a nice bo'om!" or if I see teo guys/girls, kissing...that's normal! I am talking of making that public shows, that "proudness" they talk about... Proud about what? using somewhat LasNaranjas example, imagine somebody making a "proud to be blonde day"! Stoopid, isn't it? 

Maybe I am making hetero showings all the day and I don't realise... but I think that's different.

[Haddas]

I think it's because it used to be so taboo. not many hundred years ago, the punishment was death. And only 20 years ago, peole saw things very differently. These public showings are also a celebration for people who have same interests and celebrate it (mittens, anyone?).

[YOke]

I think the short and simple answer is: There are stupid gay people too!

[Nine Toes]

The only time I actually thought a gay person was stupid was when I worked with this one guy.  He was gay, of course, but he just kept hitting on me.  He knew perfectly well I was straight (he saw me kiss my girlfriend on my lunch break), but he just kept hitting on me like he actually had a chance.  Now, I was kinda flattered in the beginning, but after a week of him staring at me, checking me out every time I bent over, and slipping me love notes or his phone number every time he passed my cubicle, I started getting really sick of it.  He would actually get mad and run into the bathroom and start crying when people told him he didn't have a chance with me.

He was kind of a drama queen, too... er, king... whatever... that's eventually what got him fired.

[Blackthorne]

Now, I was kinda flattered in the beginning, but after a week of him staring at me, checking me out every time I bent over, and slipping me love notes or his phone number every time he passed my cubicle, I started getting really sick of it.Ã,  He would actually get mad and run into the bathroom and start crying when people told him he didn't have a chance with me.

Man, that is annoying.  I don't cry everytime a girl turns me down.  I just boot up AGS and make a game.

Bt

[Haddas]

from Blackthornes profile: I haven't yet worked on any finished games.

Man, you're irresistible!

[Blackthorne]

from Blackthornes profile: I haven't yet worked on any finished games.

Man, you're irresistible!

You don't need to tell ME that.  Heh heh.

Bt

[Peter Thomas]

I am talking of making that public shows, that "proudness" they talk about... Proud about what? using somewhat LasNaranjas example, imagine somebody making a "proud to be blonde day"! Stoopid, isn't it?

In part, I agree with you farl. I don't (personally) believe in gay pride marches or walking around with rainbow handkerchiefs in yer pocket (though it doesn't bother me who does...), but the reason a lot of gay people feel the need to express it is because it was - for a loooong time - and still is, in a lot of cases, taboo.

I've gathered so far that it doesn't bother YOU who loves who, but it bothers the government. Up until recently gay people could not marry (still can't in a lot countries, Aus included), I know a LOT of people who lost jobs when people found out they were gay, and there are a HUGE number of homophobes out there who think it's just downright funny to kick a gay person.

You hardly notice it when you're hetro, because none of it concerns you, which is why some gay people SHOUT it out. They're not saying "hey farlander - we're GAY!". They're simply saying "we're gay and we're going to show it because we can." That's absolutely NO different to wearing a shirt that says "I like breasts" or "Need head" or "I swapped my boyfriend for a puppy"...

[Layabout]

A thing that is not fair is the facist moderation on these boards.

[Domino]

I saw your post right after you posted it, and then it was gone within seconds.  I didn't see anything wrong with it, but oh well.

[BernieLaraemie]

I think it's because it used to be so taboo. not many hundred years ago, the punishment was death. And only 20 years ago, peole saw things very differently. These public showings are also a celebration for people who have same interests and celebrate it (mittens, anyone?).

This is very true.  It was illegal in Britain until 1967. . .and even after '67 you had to be 19 to sleep with another man.  And this is Britain we're talking here.  Not saying every Brit is gay, but. . .

I think some people do use their sexuality to provoke arguements and fights. . .that's sad, but on occasion I'm sure we've all done somethign like that.

I was a temp supervisor where I used to wor(food service) and someone came in and ordered some food, and the order was taken by our youngest employee, who had a strong spanish accent.  The man kept egging him on about it, demanding he resay things and that he couldn't understand and there were spoutings of "Speak English" and go back to your home country and all of that until he demanded to see the supervisor (me.)

Well I marched over there and beefed up my British accent to full and told the guy off.  It was fun.

~~Bernie L

[Squinky]

Here in Idaho (USA) there are still laws on the books against any sexaul act beyond the missionary position. They aren't enforced, thankfully, but they are there. A few years ago, my small town decided to prosecute this young couple for fornication.....seriously....It didn't get anywhere except for day time talk shows though....So, really I've always been worried they would arrest someone for homosexaul sex acts and stir the shit some more....

[BernieLaraemie]

It's also illegal to ring a bell within the Niagara Falls (Canada) city limits.

And, for some reason, they enforce this.

~~Bernie

...that's right, you need a special permit to ring a bell:)

[SSH]

Well I marched over there and beefed up my British accent to full and told the guy off.  It was fun.

What does a British accent sound like?

Whoay-aye, my luvver, ye cannae do that here, old fruit, baah!

For those who can't get those regional dialects:

Spoiler

Geordie, West Country, Scottish, Posh and Welsh

[close]

Anyway, certain parts of Britian were always more into bestiality than gayness. As I said to AGA:

"It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Ewe"

[Matchew]

Y'know, I work in a supermarket with a guy called (well let's just say his name is dave) and he was really funny, I mean he'd make anyone laugh, he was great at arguing and had bleached blond hair. When he told me the other day that he was gay, everything started to make sense. He was in college but wasn't enjoying the women 'n stuff. Irish gay guys sound very happy, not like others with lisps and those gay tones reminiscent of Wll and Grace. I spoke to his (bum) friends and they sounded no different from my own (not bum) friends. the whole camp thing is overblown and silly and It's time we all wised up. anyway, I got a gay colleague waiting to kick my head in so I'll see ya!  8)

[Kinoko]

I think Yoke put it really well. There are stupid people in this world, and some of them are also gay so don't assume when you see an annoying gay person that they're necessarilly indicitive of the whole bunch. Much like the Simpsons episode with Stampy.

"Well, animals are not like people, Mrs. Simpson.  Some of them act badly because they've had a hard life, or have been  mistreated...but, like people, some of them are just jerks."

A lot of marches these days are just an excuse to dress up like a politician and have some fun, get pissed, have some sex and whatnot, but I can't argue with the reason they started because if you look at history, as everyone has already said so I'm just repeating it here, they've very justified in wanting to celebrate the freedom they have.

Also, although gay people are totally accepted in many situations now, there are still some fairly major steps to get up. In Australia, I -think-, gay marriages are still illegal which is just stupid in my opinion. In this day and age, that this sort of thing still happens in such a public forum as the government... annoys me. For me, it's the same as still having a law that blacks can't marry whites. These days, such a law would sound simply insane. I'm no expert, but there are probably other similar laws and such, so I think they're still justifed in the marches and whatnot.

As for the "I'm gay, people! Do I want a coffee? Well yes, because I'm GAY" (anyone watch 'Little Britian'?) people, yeah... there's a certain desire to be both cool and different in all that and those people are just show offs ^_^

[LGM]

Again, I'm going to totally disagree with you by saying gay marriages should NOT be legalized.

As a Christian, marriage, in my eyes, is defined as the holy sanctity of two individuals of the opposite sex. Not only is homosexuality a complete perversion of God's intention of human sexuality, but when they want to get married, they might as well piss on the bible and flip the bird to the heavens.

But that's just me. See it as incensitive, repulican, or just stupid. I don't care. Again, repeating myself, I'm not a gay-hater or homophobe in the slightest. Just because I don't believe in it doesn't mean it's real and I shouldn't accept that as a fact of life.

Oh well. Do whatever makes you happy, as long as it doesn't fuck anyone else over. (I guess you could call me a Utilitarianist, in that respect o_0)

[Ghormak]

So, sex without marriage is sin. Gay marriage is sin.

Which is more sinful? Gays having premarital or marital sex?