Bet you didn't see THIS coming....

[DGMacphee]

Again, I'm going to totally disagree with you by saying gay marriages should NOT be legalized.

As a Christian, marriage, in my eyes, is defined as the holy sanctity of two individuals of the opposite sex. Not only is homosexuality a complete perversion of God's intention of human sexuality, but when they want to get married, they might as well piss on the bible and flip the bird to the heavens.

But that's just me. See it as incensitive, repulican, or just stupid. I don't care. Again, repeating myself, I'm not a gay-hater or homophobe in the slightest. Just because I don't believe in it doesn't mean it's real and I shouldn't accept that as a fact of life.

Oh well. Do whatever makes you happy, as long as it doesn't fuck anyone else over. (I guess you could call me a Utilitarianist, in that respect o_0)

[Nine Toes]

Yeah... marriage is such a holy sanctity... so much that (at least here that I know of) you have to buy a license for it.

Honestly, I don't think marriage is a religious thing at all... marriage, in my eyes, is two people who love each other, and are celebrating devoting the rest of their lives to each other.Ã,  You say to your girlfriend/boyfriend, "You're the only one for me, you're my best friend, and you make me happy, and I want to spend the rest of my life making you just as happy."Ã,  And he/she says, "...ditto."

So, in my mind, marriage shouldn't be anything religious (don't get me wrong, it can be if you really want it to be), and it certainly shouldn't have anything to do with government or laws or licenses.

Honestly, are you going to let a bunch of gassy politicians tell you that you cannot marry the one person who you beleive to be "the one for you" Whether it be a man, or a woman?

As for gay sex... I'm not really going to get into that... just let them do their thing.

EDIT:  Just so you know, I'm not bashing religion, nor am I trying to start a jihad, so please don't misunderstand.

[Gregjazz]

In 5 years everyone will be arguing about the legalization of human/animal marriages.

[Gilbert]

Better, human/incest zombie marriage.

* Gilbot V7000a can't believe he posts in this thread.

[Babar]

Better, human/incest zombie marriage.

People will want to marry their dead family members?

[Las Naranjas]

Who needs the marriage certificate anyway.

To some extent here, and I guess elsewhere, the status of de facto [common law in other countries] marriages between same sex couples is starting to get closer to that of heterosexual couples, and de facto marriages carry essentially all the same rights as "real" marriages, so if they reach the same status, homosexual couples can get all the legal benefits of marriage anyway, especially if the homophobic elements are focused on the archaic marriage certificate.

But then again, symbolism is powerful.

I really don't understand homophobia, it's even more nonsensical than sexism and racism, and they're pretty fucking nonsensical.

[YOke]

In 5 years everyone will be arguing about the legalization of human/animal marriages.

We propably will unless we have learned to ask ourselves the simple question:
"Does this affect anyone except the adults involved?"

I mean, unless it hurts other people or involves children too young to speak their mind, what's the problem?

[Nacho]

Yeah! Suicide does not involve more than the adult involved! Let's do it! And necrophilia! And zoophilia! Let's do it! 

[Blackthorne]

Better, human/incest zombie marriage.

People will want to marry their dead family members?

My dead lesbian cousin was hot......hmmm.........

Bt

[YOke]

Yeah! Suicide does not involve more than the adult involved! Let's do it! And necrophilia! And zoophilia! Let's do it! 

Sorry for being humorless, but all of these suggestions involve someone else. (Although I believe it's a basic human right to determine when you want to end your own life. But that's a topic that deserves a post of it's own )

Examples of things that are not anyones concern are:
- Drugs (if you can behave while on them, go ahead)
- Sexual preferences (Laws on sexuality are hopeless and degrading. However, rape is always bad!)
- How you build your house (I can't believe they have the balls to overrule us on this! The government can even step in if the neighbours are displeased with the color on your house!)

I can list tons of examples, but they would all derail the thread even further. To bring this runaway train back on the tracks I would like to finish by saying:

Good luck with the whole 'being gay' thing, Peter Thomas!

[Kinoko]

Mr Hyde: Beautiful description of marriage there, at least what it should be ^_^ If you're not married already, go around telling the women that and you'll have no trouble

I'd go a little further and say that I don't believe marriage has to mean anything at all. People getting married for a green card or something doesn't bother me at all, as long as they're happy with what they're doing. It only bothers me when the two people involved are in it for different things or something, or have been deceived or... something.

But that's in extreme cases. Ideally, I think marriage should just be a way for people to make formal a relationship based on love, friendship and a desire to share your lives together. That, and it makes filling in forms easier, makes it easier to refer to your partner (I personally hate saying "That's my boyfriend" and feeling like a 14 year old) and you get to have an awesome party in the form of a wedding (complete with open bar, of course)

[Nacho]

I don't agree mr. Yoke! Suicide only involves you, if you have no family and the way you kill yourself does not annoy anybody (I.E. Squirts of blood in your car if someone goes out of the balcony)... Who is annoyed if you go with a boat to the middle of the ocean and you do Angel's jump with cement shoes?

Necrophilia does not involve any living person expect the necrophile if he/she is discrete (if the necrophile does not close the tomb again, ok?)

Zoophilia does not involve more that a person... Except if it's an zoophilorgy!Ã, 

That's for repling to you "Let's marry animals and humans if it does not affect anybody". Some things do not involve anybody but the person who is making it and they're not still socially accepted (whereas, from an aseptic, scientific point of view, nobody should really be annoyed if someone fucks the corpse of anybody else, even it thaf's the corpse of somebody knew, because, scientifically talking, the person is not in that body anymore and the personallity dissapears in the moment of the death).

Of course, I am not relating that (nowadays considered as) aberrations with gay marriage. My reply was just for the "who cares about the humans marring animals?"

About the gay marriage... man, I hate to admitt it... but if we talk of "marriage" as union in front of the religion, I can't say gays can get married because the religions I know do not still accept it (I may be wrong about some other religions which are not catholic, that's sure!) gay marriages.

So... if a priest rebells against the main authority (Rome, in my example) and decides to marry men (or women)? In the nowadays context, he will be doing something illegal and impossible, because the secullar laws do not accept that.

It is like if a man appears and say "I can levitate, with the power of my mind"... He will be able to tell that as loud as he wants, but he won't never levitate, Newton does not allow...

The question is... Do you think the laws may change? Aaaaaaaah! That's another question! Somebody can struggle against the laws to break them, like the Wright with the "nothing heavier than air can fly", and break them... So, if gays want to get married in front of the Roman catholical authority, they will have to fight... I won't, because it personally gives a fuck to me. As for me, I will make the religious ceremony if some of the people who cares of it is still alive (Lorena's grannies or mine...). A show of how much importance I give to the religious wedding.

What about weddings in front of the law? The unions do exist, but gay associations seem to go for the "marriage" in capitals letters! I think only on Denmark and in some other country (anyone?) gays can "marry", with all the sense of the word. The same message... fight for it. I am not going to move a finger for it...

... or against it, which, in many cases, it's a lot...

Because it gives a fuck to me.

(hope to have used the "give a fuck" expression propperly...)

Out of topic...


What the fuck is Jenna doing???

[Miez]

Out of topic...


What the fuck is Jenna doing???

Indeed, totally off-topic; but have a look at this:

http://aoreport.com/200501news_behindillumcurtain.htm

Makes you wonder, eh?

[Nacho]

Mmmmmm??? Well, nazi or not, she's still hot...

[Babar]

Actually the expression is "I don't give a fuck". The way you said it (It gives a fuck to me) sounds...just weird. But that is off topic
About the gay marriages, it doesn't have to be religious, you can get married officially (at least in the eyes of the law) in some places.
There are a lot of things that don't involve anyone except the people involved, but I still think are wrong. As Farl mentioned, there is necrophelia (I didn't even know there was a word for it ), there is incest, suicide, prostituition etc. As society evolves, the concept of morality also evolves, and in a few years, all this stuff may be legalised.

[Nacho]

So, I've been telling all the post long that "It FUCKS me"? Mmmm... Too posting about gays... I'll leave in that way for further laughs, though... 

And Babar, read carefully my post. The second part goes about two places where you can marry in front of the eyes of the law. The rest of the stalement ("fight for it in the places where you can't) is still valid.

But isn't Jenna really hot in that pic??? She's more slim now, isn't her??? 

[Andail]

I have nothing against gays as long as they hit on me

[Nacho]

What do you mean with hit? I am missed or you'll have nothing against gays as long as they still try to pick you up?

Man, that's funny!

[Unilin]

Farlander, same sex marriages are now legal in seven provinces in Canada and the legislation is currently proceeding (despite quite a few protests by the religious community, I might add) to legalize it nationally as well as change the legal definition of marriage.

[andail_unplugged]

Farl, it was a parodic reference to the very worn out cliché "I don't have anything against gays, as long as they don't hit on me."

This remark is surprisingly often uttered by ugly, sloppy, spaghetti-eating man-pigs.