Bet you didn't see THIS coming....

Started by Peter Thomas, Mon 17/01/2005 04:29:43

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Nacho

And now, Matchew, look a decent reply to Wanderlady:

"Even assuming that animals do not have homosexual behaves (Which is false, let's remember wolves, rabbits and George Michael...) that wouldn't necessarily be a "final evidence" that homosexuality is bad. Humans do a lot of things animals don't do. There are a little amount of species which use tools (Gorillas, chimpancés and some other simians use sticks, Vultures and Otters use stones...), but the main difference is that the human being do things that have nothing to see with survival or gathering knowleadge... Only dolphins have been prooved to make the sexual act just for fun, but... has any baby of any species but the human child hurt anybody (for example, ants) just for fun? No... animals are no cruel (*). They do many things that may be cruel, but all must be undestood in a learning process. So... maybe we must understand cruelty as a necessary knowleadge for the human? No matter if option a or b is correct... both make us different to animals! but human beings can focus that differences into something good. Painting, music, piety... So, our differences through animals must be undestood as that... differences, not as a something to resort when want to judge a human behaviour."

See? that's a reply... (full of crappy poesy, but a reply at least... Ã, ;D)

(*)Ok... It's been prooved that dolphins kill porpoises just for fun, ok? Who cares???
Are you guys ready? Let' s roll!

DGMacphee

Quote from: Squinky on Sat 22/01/2005 17:36:50
Oh, and George Michael can turn anyone gay, dont deny it.....

Yeah, he wakes me up before I go-go!

Have a subtle homo-erotic play on words:
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wyr3x

Quote from: Matchew on Thu 20/01/2005 20:06:26
Quote from: wyr3x on Thu 20/01/2005 18:32:46
errmm ... i'm a man ... but i'm lesbian ... i like girls a lotÃ,  ;D ... but i respect anybody's choices ....
wow, there are just over a hundred replies and finally this guy does the "I'm a lesbian" joke, christ man did you read any of the replies or are you just takin the fuckin piss beotch?
read the replies, and then post ... "joke+my reply" ....

also, i would like to comment, i have 1 gay friend. He is a person, as everybody. Maybe somebody can bother him, but he will be still gay ... because HE CHOISES what he wants to be .... as everybody. EVERYBODY can do whatever he/she wants ... the only limit is the society .... you are gay and you wanna marry ? ... show your problem to society, thats how to won.
waiting for the AG of the century .....

Cluey

Hmm, I can't count the number of grammar errors in that last post.

Still, congrats on coming out and such, couldn't have been easy.  If people don't respect you for what you are, they're probably worthless pieces of Daily Mail reading, narrow minded shit anyway.
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Harvester

Quote from: JimmyShelter on Sat 22/01/2005 00:16:48
Quote from: Harvester on Fri 21/01/2005 22:24:48
Anyway, Peter, you're NOT gay until you have had sex with another man.

Does that also means a man isn't heterosexual until he has had sex with a woman?Ã,  Ã, ;D

What a stupid thought.

Well, I was kinda expecting that kind of question. I believe everyone's normal by default (normal means more that heterosexual, because if you have sex with your sister, you're still heterosexual), until they do something that violates that, shall we say, normality (something like having sex with another man, or a close relative, or an animal, or a plant, or a kitchen appliance,...). Or do you think imagining someone dead makes you a murderer?

I also think that using examples from animal world doesn't prove anything. Heck, I was hoping someone from the "opposite side"  ;D would use that so I can make a witty reply, but oh well...

Btw, hi WanderLady, long time no see! I'm extremely sorry for still not replying to that mail, I was away from my comp for too long. I'll write you soon (promise).
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modgeulator

I don't believe everyone is born heterosexual by default. The whole problem with your argument, Harvester, is that it is based on the assumption that heterosexuality is "normal" and anything else is abnormal and morally wrong. Comparing homosexual sex with murder just reveals how much of a bigoted idiot you must be.

Meowster

I think we all know who's wrong and who's right, even if we're wrong. Why bother to argue? Until Wanderlady admits he has throbbing sexual urges when he is around other men, there will be no winners in this thread. I say we declare Tim Schafer the winner, and that way, we will all be winners! I hope my meaning is perfectly clear to you now.

BernieLaraemie

Quote from: WanderLady on Sat 22/01/2005 05:18:39
Doesn't nature itself teach that homosexuality is wrong?
We all know the biology, but the vagina produces a lubricant for the penis while the anus does not.

Just wanted to point out that there are some pretty dry vaginas. . .and hetero couples that practice anal.

But anyhoo, who *is* the head-vampire in the gay types?  I'd have said Liberace or Freddie, but they have both, unfortunately, passed on.

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Kinoko

QuoteI believe everyone's normal by default (normal means more that heterosexual, because if you have sex with your sister, you're still heterosexual), until they do something that violates that, shall we say, normality (something like having sex with another man, or a close relative, or an animal, or a plant, or a kitchen appliance,...). Or do you think imagining someone dead makes you a murderer?

Seriously, you're an idiot.  Apart from that point someone else made (I can't be bothered looking again), your argument makes no sense unless you believe the actual act of sex is the only way to express sexuality. What about being attracted to other people? Having fantasies? Drawing nudey pictures on your textbooks at school?

Nacho

#169
Could you all please, stop insulting people? What is this, a Gestapo forum? We fill our mouths with words like "freedom, freedom of speech, diversity of opinions" and politically correct words like that... and when you finally have the oportunity to put all that terms in practise you say things like "Christ bitch", "bigoted idiot" and, simply, "idiot".

Wonderlady and Harvester are showing us the opposite side of the coin, what's the problem? The gays members, who should be the most annoyed, are replying gently, because this is all of opinions... Peter and Bernie are understanding the act of DISCUSSION so muchbetter than you.

Why you, who are not that involved, are replying with such bitterness? It is that because you're in the "politically correct" side of the discussion? How brave of you!!!

Sincerelly, whereas I do not share the stalements Harv and Wonder are saying, I infinitelly preffer them to the replies of Kinoko, modgeulator and Matchew...Ã,  :PÃ,  :PÃ,  :P
Are you guys ready? Let' s roll!

modgeulator

Quote from: Farlander on Sun 23/01/2005 08:40:22
Could you all please, stop insulting people? What is this, a Gestapo forum? We fill our mouths with words like "freedom, freedom of speech, diversity of opinions" and politically correct words like that... and when you finally have the oportunity to put all that terms in practise you say things like "Christ bitch", "bigoted idiot" and, simply, "idiot".

Wonderlady and Harvester are showing us the opposite side of the coin, what's the problem? The gays members, who should be the most annoyed, are replying gently, because this is all of opinions... Peter and Bernie are understanding the act of DISCUSSION so muchbetter than you.

Why you, who are not that involved, are replying with such bitterness? It is that because you're in the "politically correct" side of the discussion? How brave of you!!!

Sincerelly, whereas I do not share the stalements Harv and Wonder are saying, I infinitelly preffer them to the replies of Kinoko, modgeulator and Matchew...Ã,  :PÃ,  :PÃ,  :P

Freedom of speech means both the right to say something stupid and the right for someone else to call you stupid for saying it. See, like how you just said all that, and like how I'm now calling you stupid.

The system works!  ::)

Peter Thomas

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Babar

Peter, just some questions, don't take this the wrong way though, I am just wondering:
Do you still believe in a God that gives you these urges, and then tells you they are a sin?
Do you believe you are "sinning"?
Or have you found some "loophole" in your religious teachings that say that it is not wrong?

To others, what is this thing with justifying someones urges? If someone feels someway, let them feel it, they have no need for justifying it or saying that it is wrong. Animals also have homosexual behaviour? I think that is only when there are separated from the opposite sex. So what? Do we have to compare ourselves to animals? And, oh, it is something in your genes that make you gay? SO? So if my genes make me a heavy drinker, that makes it ok for me to get drunk regularly?
All I am saying is that as long as you try justifying yourself with these "proofs" someone will always come up with opposite proofs in answer to your proofs. Why do you need to justify yourselves?
Off topic, but I never got the "Only dolphins do it for fun" thing....Does that mean that other animals don't do it for fun? Are they doing with the thought in mind that "Oh, I gotta get some kids now?" Since our systems are almost the same (at least for mammals), wouldn't it mean that they also get pleasure from these acts?
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Andail

#173
No, Farlander, Kinoko is right! You've gotta give her that, brother :)

Harvester, you made the worst argument so far...
"You're not gay until you have sex with a man" Says who?

Many homosexual couples don't even practice sex. And as someone else pointed out, being a straight virgin doesn't make you less straight.

There is no normal by default. I don't understand why people put so much gender into the love-thing. I believe you can feel strong feelings for any gender. I believe that without the norms of society, who we choose to fall in love with can be completely arbitrary.

Some animals have sex for the sake of strengthening the bonds within the group, and some are as intimiate with their own sex as with the other.

Some people aren't as interested in sex as others, but still have so much love to give. Some are metrosexual, some are bisexual, some are whateversexual. Just give up the idea that love is all about finding a person of the other gender, marrying them and having babies.

This is the age of aquarius, (quote) get updated, man.

Paper Carnival

I too represent Wanderlady's & Harverster's side.

Feeling lust for men is the same sin as feeling lust for women, it's what you do with that lust that defines if you are wrong or right. At least that's my oppinion. And do not confuse love with sex/hormonic desires etc. For me, I have heterosexual urges, but I love some guys more than I love the sexiest girl I've ever seen. Does this make me gay? Nah

It depends on your morals how you view lust, if you feel like uncontrollable lust is wrong, then you believe homosexuality is wrong too (no matter if you are religious or not)

Nacho

I've never said that Kinoko is not right... I THINK SHE IS RIGHT! But she, and the others, do not have the right to tell people they're stupids because they think different.

And Modgeulator... I am not going to reply you... Thanks for calling me stupid without reason, that is a better reply than anything else I could say...

Freedom of speech includes not saying what you are allowed to say if you think that's going to hurt somebody...
Are you guys ready? Let' s roll!

Andail

Quote from: Guybrush Peepwood on Sun 23/01/2005 13:12:57

It depends on your morals how you view lust, if you feel like uncontrollable lust is wrong, then you believe homosexuality is wrong too (no matter if you are religious or not)

Sorry, I must be a monster of liberation and depravation, but your comment simply flabbergasts me...so again...what is "uncontrollable" lust, and why is it morally wrong? Why is homosexuality wrong? Is "uncontrollabe" lust connected to homosexuality?
Why must there be a wrong?

PaulSC

Homophobia really is one of the most miserable ideologies ever - I mean, is there really any point to it beyond making other people's lives more difficult, lonely or generally unpleasant?

Nacho

To proove that something is morally wrong we should find something that has been forever and everywhere understood as something bad. For example, hitting your dad is bad, no matter if you hit him in Spain, Korea, in the year 2005 or in the prehistory.

Homosexuality has been seen as something "bad", specially during and after the Middle Age. But it hasen't been allways like that, Let's remember that the squadron of Spartans, under Leonidas command, who was deffending the Thermoplie pass against the Persians of Gerges was totally homosexual... and they're supposed to be the most brave and deffinitelly were the most admired.

Raphael and Leonardo were bisexuals... In some way we can say that one of the main shots of the rennaicense was that homsexuality started to be more accepted.

So, I can't really say that "homosexuality" is something that the human being has in its brain cortex as something "bad"...
Are you guys ready? Let' s roll!

jetxl

Leonardo DaVinci was a homo but also celibate.

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