Bet you didn't see THIS coming....

Started by Peter Thomas, Mon 17/01/2005 04:29:43

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MrColossal

That is your whole arguement?

You knew some twins [and indentical is just a word to describe them, they aren't completely the same 100%] and one became gay.

I also knew some twins, one was gay and liked lacross, the other was straight and liked soccer... Man they must not have been very identical at all. I mean, they should like the exact same thing and talk the exact same way and like the exact same foods, since they're identical...

bah, you get my point, at least I hope so

I bet you could also tell the twins apart after knowing them long enough cause you could see the differences between the two. I know I could. It got to the point that I forgot they were twins cause I saw their differences as blaringly obvious.
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Nacho

Actually, mr. Blackthorne, if that gen does not make you gay, but make you to have some percentage of possibilities of becoming gay, twins would rarelly be both gays.

I don't remember my studies of the laws of probability, but less than 25%, I think...
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Quote from: MrColossal on Fri 28/01/2005 20:01:31
That is your whole arguement?

You knew some twins [and indentical is just a word to describe them, they aren't completely the same 100%] and one became gay.

I also knew some twins, one was gay and liked lacross, the other was straight and liked soccer... Man they must not have been very identical at all. I mean, they should like the exact same thing and talk the exact same way and like the exact same foods, since they're identical...

bah, you get my point, at least I hope so

Huh? I think you missed BT's point. He was saying that homosexuality isn't a genetic traight because it doesn't show up in identical twins.  The "lying" part I read as sarcasm.
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Quote[and indentical is just a word to describe them, they aren't completely the same 100%]

He's pointing out they're not genetically identical [despite common belief].
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MrColossal

I don't think I did miss his point, Dragonrose

He's saying that homosexuality isn't a genetic traight because of these 2 people he knew in school. That's not a basis for anything.

He said it didn't show up in 2 people he knew, not all identical twins everywhere. And if he's gonna say that then he has to provide studies and articles and essays and proof.

If that's how one can make an arguement I can say that only white kids become bullies because in school I was only bullied by white kids. And they can only be boys, and can only have red hair.
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Blackthorne

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Quote from: DragonRose on Fri 28/01/2005 23:27:12

Huh? I think you missed BT's point. He was saying that homosexuality isn't a genetic traight because it doesn't show up in identical twins.Ã,  The "lying" part I read as sarcasm.

You did miss my point. I was being sarcastic.Ã,  I don't think homosexality is a gentic trait, however.Ã, 

I was using them as a personal example, but there is plenty of work done out there to support my view.Ã,  There is plenty of work to support the opposition too.Ã, 

Point being, I don't care - your life, your choice and if you're my friend or family, I'll support you and fight for your right to live a peaceful life.  I don't think having some scientific excuse to shout and point at and go "SEE!SEE! It's not MY FAULT I'M GAY!" is wrong.  There's nothing wrong with being gay, and you shouldn't have to justify yourself to anyone.

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Blackthorne

Yeah, I know, I read about that thing on another forum.  Oh, no.  Not lesbian parents.....

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MrColossal

So then if you don't care... Why post at all?

It seems like you're saying:

"I don't care but I do. I wasn't serious but I was."

So you don't think that homosexuality is a genetic thing but you don't see it as a problem for there to be a scientific reason for people to be homosexual?

"I don't think having some scientific excuse to shout and point at and go "SEE!SEE! It's not MY FAULT I'M GAY!" is wrong.  There's nothing wrong with being gay, and you shouldn't have to justify yourself to anyone."

This is what confuses me.
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Blackthorne

Occasionally people can be serious and humorous.  It happens when you don't take everything so damn seriously, because you know no matter what we all die the same.  Sorta nihlistic, but it makes you appreciate the moment.

What I'm saying is don't sheepishly justify yourself.  There's no need to.  I don't think there's a genetic reason why people are gay or straight.  It's just who you are.  You could have behavioral therapists pull cognative and social studies to declare that it is a formed sense of social interaction - whatever.   

I think the genetic thing is bullshit.

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Postcards from Buster?! What will they think of next...

Personally I support the move to have that episode removed - or at least not aired on kid's prime time. If parents want their kids to learn about "alternative" lifestyles, it should be up to THEM to say what they are comfortable with - not some T.V show depicting a very one-sided view. I'm not saying it's a BAD view - but not every gay couple lives in a world called "Sugarland" with a bunch of cows they milk every day or so. I think it would be better to make it available as a video/dvd for parents/guardians who think it will be a useful device in educating their children.
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MrColossal

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The reason I didn't see any humour in what you wrote is because it came out of no where.

No one was talking about homosexuality being genetic or not and you just posted randomly as if you were countering some arguement you were having with someone invisible.

Or did you just think of the joke and wanted to post it?

Either way what you wrote confused me and what you continued to write further confused me. I'm not taking this overly seriously either. I'm just talking. If you see me as freaking out and ranting then that's your bag.

And even if you are joking around with your twins post, is it not valid for me to start talking with you about this? Can I not ask for you to elaborate?

And again, I don't see how someone saying "Sorry friends, this is how I was born." is being sheepish. But whatever. Who cares, moving on.

Peter: Why can't it be aired on television? Shouldn't a parent know what their kid is watching anyway and not just let any old show educate their child? If a parent doesn't want their child seeing it, don't let them watch it. If a parent doesn't want their children watching The Piano [which is on HBO at all times of the day] don't let them watch it.
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Peter Thomas

Eric: I completely agree that parents SHOULD be aware of what their kids are watching, but the problem is they wouldn't even know what's going on until the gay scene has already been shown, by which time if they just jump up and turn the tv off and say "let's go outisde and buy ice-cream" they've got a very angry and very curious kid on their hands.

And often parents just don't know what the kids are watching. They assume that if it comes on after Sesame Street then it must be okay sort of thing. Not being aware of what your kid is watching is nothing to be PROUD of, but it's hardly a reason for kids to be left to watch homosexuality when their parents are strictly against it. I know it's not porn, but morals are morals.

I think it would be GREAT if it could be aired. But a lot of people aren't ready for it, and you can't just stick it on T.V for the sake of "open-mindedness" when there are gonna be loads of people against it.
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BernieLaraemie

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I heard that on the morning radio show here. . .

. . .They were making up their own future episode ideas, where Buster goes to San Fran or a bathhouse. . .

Their Gay-Braham Lincoln sketch was to die for too.

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Quote from: Blackthorne on Sat 29/01/2005 01:02:53
Occasionally people can be serious and humorous.  It happens when you don't take everything so damn seriously, because you know no matter what we all die the same.  Sorta nihlistic, but it makes you appreciate the moment.

Claiming to be serious and humorous at the same time is a way of believing that the self does not exist and exploring rational thought while supporting political destruction?? Whoa, that nihilism stuff is pretty awesome!
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Quote from: theyak on Fri 28/01/2005 08:42:53
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Anyway, the twin argument still doesn't manage to dispute the research statement from earlier (specifically, the gene found in 10% of the population that causes homosexuality 50% of the time). In fact, it provides as much evidence as it does refuting it. 

I agree with Peter Thomas.  While my stepkids wouldn't have been confused or taken aback by this particular cartoon episode (as they've been educated on such matters) and I'd have no problem with them seeing it, kids cartoons shouldn't cover every available scenario but rather the more common ones.  Speaking from my own perspective, I've yet to see a set of lesbian parents raising children and I've met a lot of parents (in the San Francisco area no less).  It would be far more realistic if our favorite little bunny met his friends parents and the dad turned out to be a physically abusive alcoholic (now that's good children's TV!). 

Yes, parents that don't approve shouldn't let their children see it and they should monitor what they're children watch.  However, this shouldn't be down to the micromanagement level with each episode pre-screened.  A parent shouldn't necessarily assume a TV show aimed at kids is automatically acceptable either.  They should be able to tell from seeing a couple episodes whether a series as a whole is okay for their children.  In the case of this show, the authors have deviated a bit from their standard programming.  If a parent needs to be so involved in what their kids watched that they prescreen every episode of every program, then perhaps that parent shouldn't be letting their children watch TV at all. 

BernieLaraemie

The radio people (an alternative rock station) were hilarious about it, all disappointed over it.

They were asking, "Well, families aren't all mom, dad and a picket fence. . .when are they visiting the crack-wh*re mom?"

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QuoteI've yet to see a set of lesbian parents raising children and I've met a lot of parents (in the San Francisco area no less).  It would be far more realistic if our favorite little bunny met his friends parents and the dad turned out to be a physically abusive alcoholic (now that's good children's TV!).

I should actually mention (according the news reports I've read) the daughter and the lesbian parents are voiced by real people. These are not fake lesbians. They're a real couple with a sugar farm who are guest-voicing for an episode.

Also, I think comparing lesbians to abusive alcoholics is a bit of an apples-oranges comparison. But if you want to have realism, just put in the same old whitebread vanilla folk you see on nearly every show.

And if that's the case, you might as well just watch Arthur instead of Buster. Nobody is more whitebread than Arthur.



Look at him!

P.S. My favourite episode of Arthur is the one that guest stars the Backstreet Boys. THEY'RE SO DREAMY!!
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Peter Thomas

I can't believe the Backstreet Boys episode had a special "By Popular Demand" double screening.

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Blackthorne

Quote from: DGMacphee on Sat 29/01/2005 02:10:09
Quote from: Blackthorne on Sat 29/01/2005 01:02:53
Occasionally people can be serious and humorous.Ã,  It happens when you don't take everything so damn seriously, because you know no matter what we all die the same.Ã,  Sorta nihlistic, but it makes you appreciate the moment.

Claiming to be serious and humorous at the same time is a way of believing that the self does not exist and exploring rational thought while supporting political destruction?? Whoa, that nihilism stuff is pretty awesome!

Thank you, my synapes are now fried!

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