The Biggest Morons of the Gaming Industry

Shattered Sponge · Wed 28/04/2004 20:49:39

Quote from: TheDude on Wed 28/04/2004 17:21:03
Quote from: Peter Thomas on Wed 28/04/2004 01:35:33
Quote from: remixor on Wed 28/04/2004 01:03:27
That's a statement that would be pretty hard to solidly defend, I'd think...

Okay - I get what you mean. I didn't clarify my statement. I meant that everyone who's been mentioned so far has created a kick-ass game (obviously there are those who disagree, but if the game truly sucked, it wouldn't be popular), so they aren't morons. They're just unwise, maybe ignorant. But certainly not retarded or idiots.

Derek Smart hasn't made a kick-ass game, therefore he is indeed a moron. Just because a game is popular it doesn't mean it's kick-ass.

So, just to make sure we're entirely clear about this, I'll simplify your argument into an easily understandable syllogistic form:

Major premise: Derek Smart makes games
Minor premise: You don't like those games
Conclusion: Derek Smart is a moron

...

Whu?

TheDude · Wed 28/04/2004 20:51:44

Quoteand TheDude, how is your opinion any better/more valid than the thousands of people who enjoy Derek Smarts games?

I didn't say it was. And yes, it is just my opinion. His games aren't given less than mediocre review scores for no reason.

Quote from: Shattered Sponge on Wed 28/04/2004 20:49:39
Quote from: TheDude on Wed 28/04/2004 17:21:03
Quote from: Peter Thomas on Wed 28/04/2004 01:35:33
Quote from: remixor on Wed 28/04/2004 01:03:27
That's a statement that would be pretty hard to solidly defend, I'd think...

Okay - I get what you mean. I didn't clarify my statement. I meant that everyone who's been mentioned so far has created a kick-ass game (obviously there are those who disagree, but if the game truly sucked, it wouldn't be popular), so they aren't morons. They're just unwise, maybe ignorant. But certainly not retarded or idiots.

Derek Smart hasn't made a kick-ass game, therefore he is indeed a moron. Just because a game is popular it doesn't mean it's kick-ass.
So, just to make sure we're entirely clear about this, I'll simplify your argument into an easily understandable syllogistic form:

Major premise: Derek Smart makes games
Minor premise: You don't like those games
Conclusion: Derek Smart is a moron

...

Whu?

"I meant that everyone who's been mentioned so far has created a kick-ass game so they aren't morons."

According to this logic, yes!

Raggit · Wed 28/04/2004 21:32:26

Ahem... I think it is VERY obvious who the BIGGEST moron of the gaming idustry is... Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Ian Livingston. Or whoever that guy was that said adventure games are stupid and a waste of time.

I think he was like, president of Edios. I don't quite know if the first name is correct, but I know his last name is Livingston.

Shattered Sponge · Wed 28/04/2004 21:50:55

But... but...

Fighting Fantasy books rule!

*cries*

Also, Dude; having made a great game is one of many things that could invalidate someone's status as a moron - another such acheivement is that of receiving a doctorate, which (I believe) is something Derek Smart has done.

Kweepa · Wed 28/04/2004 23:17:35

What about Tim Schafer?
He had a publishing contract with M$, and he blew it!

Or Benoit Sokal?
He had a great franchise going, and pissed it up the wall!
Not that I've actually played Syberia II, or particularly liked the first one... Hmm...

Peter Thomas · Wed 28/04/2004 23:59:52

Quote"I meant that everyone who's been mentioned so far has created a kick-ass game so they aren't morons."

According to this logic, yes!

No [my opinion]. You're trying do find a difference between popular and kick-ass. A game isn't popular if people don't like it (I personally hate his games, but popular opinion would suggest larger society thinks differently). A game that people like, could, under normal circumstances, be called kick-ass (NOT meaning that it is the best game ever made in all time). So he HAS made a good game, and most definitely cannot fit under this definition:

moron: A stupid person; a dolt. [dictionary.com]

or this:

moron: A city of eastern Argentina, an industrial suburb of Buenos Aires. Population: 641,541.

DG from Uni · Thu 29/04/2004 00:40:55

Quote from: MrColossal on Wed 28/04/2004 20:41:52
and TheDude, how is your opinion any better/more valid than the thousands of people who enjoy Derek Smarts games?

There are people who enjoy Derek Smart's games?

?

As for the whole "moron" issue, I think we're being a little too pedantic about the exact definition.

I think the whole point of this thread was just to show people who have made big blunders in the gaming industry.

I'm pretty sure this thread wasn't intended to say such-and-such game maker has a an actual mental deficiency.

Though, if anyone's read some of Derek Smart's comments, you wouldn't be mistaken for thinking he does have a mental deficiency.

remixor · Thu 29/04/2004 02:53:22

Quote from: MrColossal on Wed 28/04/2004 20:41:52
I think every statement is one that would be hard to defend, remo...

True enough, but some are definitely harder than others.

Rave · Fri 30/04/2004 03:50:03

QuoteAs for the whole "moron" issue, I think we're being a little too pedantic about the exact definition.

Oh shaddup. You know what you are? Your a city of eastern Argentina, an industrial suburb of Buenos Aires! Yeah! Take that! Oh, you just got burned!

DGMacphee · Fri 30/04/2004 04:31:00

QuoteOh shaddup. You know what you are? Your a city of eastern Argentina, an industrial suburb of Buenos Aires! Yeah! Take that! Oh, you just got burned!

Yeah, you burned me. My fragile ego often suffers from comments by people with shitty grammar on an adventure game forum.

* DGMacphee breaks down and cries.

Adamski · Fri 30/04/2004 14:41:05

The biggest moron is undoubtably Warren Spector. I shall elaborate on this later.

AGA · Fri 30/04/2004 14:54:48

You shouldn't, for fear of talking absolute shite.

Pumaman · Fri 30/04/2004 16:31:44

Quote from: Peter Thomas on Wed 28/04/2004 00:58:48
I don't think anyone who is famous enough for us to know their name can be classified as a "moron".

Stuck up, or arrogant, maybe. But not morons.

George W. Bush.

I rest my case.

LGM · Sat 01/05/2004 03:18:20

Everytime I read this, I read "The Biggest MorMon's of the Gaming Industry.

Just thought I'd share that..

And I still stick with my original answer.. Rusalka Clarke is the biggest gaming moron..

shbaz · Sat 01/05/2004 03:54:23

Quote from: Pumaman on Fri 30/04/2004 16:31:44
Quote from: Peter Thomas on Wed 28/04/2004 00:58:48
I don't think anyone who is famous enough for us to know their name can be classified as a "moron".

Stuck up, or arrogant, maybe. But not morons.

George W. Bush.

I rest my case.

That guy decreased the worth of a Yale diploma eight-fold. Little known fact: George W. Bush was a male cheerleader.

http://garywolff.com/bush/bush.htm

Biggest morons of the gaming industry? The creators of Pac-man. Seriously, what the hell were they thinking. That game blows. Mediocre (at best) graphics and piss-poor interface.

Scummbuddy · Sat 01/05/2004 05:04:23

How could the creators of Pac-Man be morons? They created a highly-addictive and high replay value game. They made a ton of money, and if you think its just that people bought the game at first, but then got bored.... then why did the subsequent sequels and remakes still make money. I'm just trying to understand why you would think they are morons?

shbaz · Sat 01/05/2004 05:11:18

Quote from: Scummbuddy on Sat 01/05/2004 05:04:23
I'm just trying to understand why you would think they are morons?

I don't, I was joking.

Scummbuddy · Sat 01/05/2004 18:29:46

Well, then.... put some FREAKIN' smileys in your post.

The Biggest Morons of the Gaming Industry

DG from Uni