Discuss about drugs

[mchammer]

Don't expect anyone in the internet to be convince.

Idea  of this tread was to discuss about new law, not to turn people to use shrooms or something like that. It just went little off topic.

About that wisdom/understanding/whatever....  I dont mean that eating mushrooms would increase wisdom or that they contain some kind of magical intelligence. I mean that under shroom trip, I think in different way than usual. So it doesnt make me instantly thinking smarter or anything. But seeing everything from different angle has made me notice a lot of things about people and their way to think and reasons why they behave like they do. That has made me more open person what i used to be.

And notice that i eat muhrooms only couple times in a year (in finland those grow about 1 - 2 months every autumn), so im not addict or anything like that. I just feel that this habit is mentaly good for me and that's the only reason i do it.

[Nacho]

Habit is a repetitive good act, like sport, or washing your teeth after each meal.

Using drungs could be harmless, but definitively not good, so, it' s better to say that it' s a vicious, like drinking or smoking. (Things you criticised in this post for admiting, shortly after, that eating mushrooms is not better, though)

So, enjoy your trips, and feel good with your "new angles". When you have a bad trip let' s see if this new angles result so funny ^_^.

[JimmyShelter]

Habit is a repetitive good act, like sport, or washing your teeth after each meal.

That's just semantics.


And I must say that using shrooms just a couple of times per year, and than months in a row not, is one of the more mature forms of recreative drugs taking.


I'm not in the pro or anti drugs camp, I'm mostly in the 'let every one decide for themselves if, when and how they want to get fucked up, as long as they don't harm anyone else'-camp.
All the drugs I do is some alcohol. Which is far nastier than shrooms btw.

[Nacho]

What are you comparing?

Being alcoholic with using drungs twice per year? Unfair comparision.

Drinking every week with using drugs twice per year? Unfair comparision...

Are you comparing eating mushrooms twice per year with drinking twice per year? Yes? I think not... Then, your "far nastier than shrooms" is false.

[mchammer]

I dont really know what part you didnt understand...
Ill try to make it simple.

I have tried these two:

A) I dont eat shrooms at all.

B) I eat them couple times a year.


1. I have noticed that im happier while doing B instead of A.

2. I have also noticed that you are happier if you pick option A.
That's because we think in different way and like to do different things.

3. I dont make other people's life unhappier while doing B. (It seems to make you angry tho, but
i can live with that)

[Nacho]

As said before...

A) Eat "shrooms"

And be happy while the trip is good... enjoy ^_^/

[mchammer]

That is why I pay attension to these:

-right dozing (not too strong for first time)
-setting(warm homelike atmosphere,good lighing, relaxing music (there is shamanic music made just for tripping))
-you never should try them alone.
-noise (caused by enviroment or drunken friends) can be really pressing.
-you should try them indoors. (There is different opinions about that tho)
-you should have an empty stomach when eating them.

Also i make it sure that im not too stressed or going trought some depressing issue when i eat those.
I have always eaten them with very good and trustworthy friends.

Stupot told about his bad trip, of course i cant know all the reasons witch caused it, but things what he told are for sure enought to cause a terrible trip to anyone:

a) I was inexperienced. I don't even smoke weed let alone eating psychedelic fungi so it probably wasn't the recommended 'first drug'.
b) I was sitting in a room with about 3 or 4 kids that used to bully me a few years previously... they were ok with me then, but I still have harsh memories of them.
c) I took too many, because I didnt wait long enough for the first load to settle in and gobbled up some more impatiently.  This turned out to be a bad move.

Of course there is always a risk for bad trip, i have never had a very bad trip and i try to make sure with these preparations that i never need to experience one. If i keep eating shroom trought my whole life, i probably will have a very bad trip some day. Do I keep eating shrooms after that, i cant really know. Believe me, i have compared the risks and benefits very carefully, and result is that i have that my little habit.

[Nacho]

...likely harmless vicious...

[radiowaves]

Jumping from the 10th floor of an skycrapper might help you to see the life from a different angle, and it might not be very recommendable. I' ve read here some of the most used topics about drugs, and they still sound like crap to me.

Shamans have used them for 10000 years!

And? Have they seen something interesting? No... basically they were drugged people. No one has seen the cure for cancer after eating a mushroom.

Beer has been amongst us for a very long time also, and again, no one has seen a cure for cancer because of this!
Shamans were full of all kkinds of crap?
That is so true, but todays people are full of crap anyway so I don't see the difference. There are so many good and bad things in our world that argueing over the usage of shrooms is just pointless. Some use it, some don't, whats the big difference. Oh and man who invented LSD and experimented with it a lot, lived over 100.
Some people jump from 10th floor via dosage of drugs, some people jump anyway. Whats the difference, its their mind, we can't control it.

[Nacho]

Do you know to read?

I repeteadly told that the "Jumping from the 10th floor" is not an example of which stupid things you can do when on a trip, but a silly example meaning that there are actions that can make you see the live from different angles, without being GOOD. The guy who jumped was NOT DRUGGED, ok?

I' ll post it again, you just had to read carefully before repeating something has told before:

Sorry if I called for a missunderstanding, but when I typed "jumping from an skycrapper" I was not refering as a jump provoqued by a bad trip after eating mushrooms... My example just meant that there are ZILLION of ways to get new experiences without using drugs. It also means that not all this ways to get nex experiences are good.

Second part: "World is full of crap, a bit more crap ain't going to make much more harm"

Is that your deffense to Mushrooms? Sorry, it' s a bit... childish. Elaborate one better and I might consider discussing with you.

[radiowaves]

Its your definition, not mine. Its how you want to see things.

And jumping drugged or not, it doesn't change my point. We can't and shouldn't control someones mind. If someone wants to jump, let them jump, maybe they feel a bit better afterwards....

There are so many bad things in our world and you whine because of this? Have you ever considered making any good and considered contributing to stopping sufferings of billions of beings by going vegan? Someone doing drugs is that someones own choice, someone being held captive is not. And please don't come up with stupid shit again. Actually what kind of harm shrooms exactly do to YOU or anyone against them?

Egoism all the way, yay.

[shitar]

Rename Subject to: Drug Apologists Anonymous

[lo_res_man]

On a personal note,I dont like most drugs. I can undertand the apeal, and I have been tempted, and I admit I do drink sometimes. But what I don't like about the harder drugs,  because well, its cheating. It gives you a pleasure boost, you really didn't earn. And in so doing unbalnce your perceptions of how much work one is willing to do to get how much pleasure. If all it takes, to feel temporerly on top of the world is to take a pill, then how is say going to a movie or been with your girlfriend/boyfriend/ animal of preferance, going to compare?
Like I said its cheating.

[radiowaves]

On a personal note,I dont like most drugs. I can undertand the apeal, and I have been tempted, and I admit I do drink sometimes. But what I don't like about the harder drugs, (aka most drugs illeagal in everywhere but where the dutch come from) because well, its cheating. It gives you a pleasure boost, you really didn't earn. And in so doing unbalnce your perceptions of how much work one is willing to do to get how much pleasure. If all it takes, to feel temporerly on top of the world is to take a pill, then how is say going to a movie or been with your girlfriend/boyfriend/ animal of preferance, going to compare?
Like I said its cheating.

I bet your whole life is cheating, otherwise you wouldn't feel so happy about it. Now go eat your McDonalds meal, that you didn't kill and be happier and don't whine about pointless things, ok?

Life is horizontal falling, sometimes we need a little boost when we have fallen too much.

[lo_res_man]

well I am happy to disagree with you on that. Sure people who have mental illness like depression, they just been adjusted back to the norm, or something close anyway. But do most people really need to be medicated? Do we want to live in a society where we think , "Oh no, the news depresses me, well lets pop prozac."? I don't. How are people supposed to learn from their mistakes, if they refuse to treat them as mistakes? Yes, life is a sysifision masterpiece of endless shouldering on. But there is a kind of pointless nobility in living on from day to day. Sure I can see the need for an occasional pick me up, but  we could have a electrode plugged into our pleasure canters, and a button, I still don't think it would be a good idea. In studies where they did that to animals, the little rats pushed that button till they dropped, literally. They forego, food, water, sex even, just to push the freaking button. How is society supposed to change ad grow if we are all staying at home pushing our pleasure box? It wouldn't be good that's all I can say.

[EldKatt]

If you don't want to whine about pointless things, what are you doing in gengen?

[lo_res_man]

whats that gotta do with the price of tea in china :

[mchammer]

Was bored today so started to plan an adventure game about the subject.
Doesnt it sound great...  :

Btw, went little off-topic, so renamed the whole thing.

[Radiant]

Was bored today so started to plan an adventure game about the subject.

You can do drugs in QfG3...

[EldKatt]

Now go eat your McDonalds meal, that you didn't kill and be happier and don't whine about pointless things, ok?

If you don't want to whine about pointless things, what are you doing in gengen?

whats that gotta do with the price of tea in china :

k?