Female Gamers & Creators

Helm · Fri 29/09/2006 11:41:49

QuoteBy the way, how does someone "yell" at people through a text-based medium? If dictionary.com isn't lying to me, yelling requires an increase in volume.

What you're doing in this thread is the equivalent of bad stand-up comedy. Why bad? Because you're not funny, I don't know if people tell you this a lot or not, could be just me. So you seem very excited and loud for no particular reason, and no punch-line is forthcoming.

I sincerily don't know why you write in that tone, whatever you have to say can be said with about 99% less overenthusiasm and lame jokes. You don't get points of being funny on a thread like this, but you do get negative points for trying and failing. Just say what you have to say without mocking anyone and maybe you'll be treated better by your peers, with whom you're supposed to be discussing on an even level about an subject you find interesting.

For instance, I agree with your post: I don't think this is an issue that's interesting or to be debated, as I stated. However I completely disagree with your bullshit attitude and I get this reactionary impulse to attack your position just because you're behaving thusly. You're hurting your (/our) point of view. How? By being an asshole on the internet, in the WRONG PLACE and doing it BADLY. Sorry, DG, that's how I see it.

Now quote my post all over and make fun of me.

ManicMatt · Fri 29/09/2006 11:51:23

HAHA Good one ~~MrColossal~~ Helm!

Nikolas · Fri 29/09/2006 12:08:30

Humour, especially in text form can be debatable whether is funny or not.

Now onto the subject I can remember myself, not long ago, posting a simmilar (and rather much ruder) post like DG aobut pluto. I just didn't see at that time, what is there to discuss, or even more what is there to feel pity about a (former) planet.

Same here. I don't see anything special about the 1st (and the rest actually) posts, really.

Anyways... Attack is the best defense and is the case here with DG (excpet his first post).

Raggit · Fri 29/09/2006 18:11:02

Helm, you pwn in every single debate.

LimpingFish · Fri 29/09/2006 23:18:28

So...females making games, eh?

...

The bitches.

SinSin · Fri 29/09/2006 23:39:33

Let them try it there is no stopping them
But i have made a prediction

Girls Get together
Girls come up with idea
Girls start writing game and drawing graphics
Girls begin arguing about the shade of lipstick the main character is wearing
All hell breaks loose

Saucer of milk at table 2 please
Handbags at 10 paces
and all the guys request video links to mudfighting events

Queen Kara · Fri 29/09/2006 23:44:39

Quote from: ManicMatt on Mon 25/09/2006 11:00:03

Seriously though, why do you want a team of females only?

I thought I already explained my thinking in my first / the initial and original post.
Sigh.
And even though you were being sarcastic , you're right , females have...will...and do usually make games that males usually haven't / won't and will not do ( or in some cases not do correctly for a variety of reasons )
If I'm being insulting , I don't really mean to and I'm not wanting any gender wars or anything , like I stated already , I just think it'd be cool to have at least one all female gaming team here. ( or anywhere for that matter...even though they never made games it's a shame CLAMP broke up....they were an all female team who made Anime and Manga btw if you've never "heard" of them for some reason )

Geeze , I leave for a while and this thread becomes popular in a way I didn't intend.
It's really upsetting to come back and see that what you thought was a really good idea shot to hell like this.

I now predict that if I wanted to chat about Germans forming a game making team of only German gamers / creators ( assumming there's not one somewhere out there already ) , alot of people here would take THAT the wrong way too. >_<

Sorry for any and all bad spelling and THANK YOU to all the people that got it.
*hugs the people that got it and gives them chocolate chip cookies or whatever snack they prefer*

LimpingFish · Fri 29/09/2006 23:50:35

Threads like this always mutate in strange and horrible ways.

btw, I still think there's nothing wrong with the idea.

Queen Kara · Fri 29/09/2006 23:53:43

Quote from: vict0r on Mon 25/09/2006 14:59:02

Seriously, though.. I actually find this very discriminating... It would probably be an uproar if a male member would make a similar thread.. "Males, Unite!"

I couldn't think up a better title at the time , I apoligize for any badly chosen wording.
Thanks for not being overly bitey about it though.

Also , the last part in the initial post was a joke. NOTE THE SMILEY / EMOTICON.
( aka the "winking and poking out tongue" face )

"What would be the advantage of an all-girl team wanting to make a great game, compared to just any team wanting to make a great game? Why exclude some wonderful, talented people to contribute to a great game just because they have balls?"
I have nothing against mixed groups , I have nothing against all male groups ( unless of course they were to make mostly stereotypical macho crap with stereotypical female characters. That's another thing entirely. ) , as far as I can tell we females are outnumbered here ( bummer ) so , ( geeze how many times am I going to have to tell people this? lol ) , I mainly started this thread in the interest of meeting other female users ( some people...regardless of gender.....they check forums more often than boards or email more often than forums...blah blah blah ) and hoping the "females unite" thing would catch their eye and would help get more females interested in AGS / making games. As others have correctly guessed , I'm not being anti-male , I'm just being pro female. I am just as grateful to any male who's interested in my limited talent as I would to be a female. The possible "advantage" of an all female group would be more games that females would actually be interested in playing. I love quite a few of the games that have already been made...To be honest , with the exception of "Spooks!" and a few other games , I don't remember what games I like that just happened to have been made by a female....so I think it'd be really cool and wonderful if we dould have more females into AGS since it seems that we don't have many female members. I'm sorry if I'm getting a little bitey about this....

The other stuff I can kinda laugh off , but : "Of course the discussion has left and went ot places that I find interesting, but the initial post, is a little retarded to me."
Ok , that one hurt.
I don't see what's wrong with my so-called "Let's get all the girls together and make games...Yay!" attitude and while I do get a little annoyed with some other comments ,
I do find a "retarded" comment uncalled for.

Some ideas I haven't seen really used much or at all...yet ;
to be considered for game creators ( and stuff I already plan on working on myself ) :
More games that both genders can enjoy ( I know there's quite a few that are like that already...such as The Digital Spell....5 Days A Stranger...GRR! Barely Sane...ect. )
Ren'ai ( romance aka dating game , visual novel , dating simulation , ect. )
Child / creature raising ( ala Princess Maker ...Oddballz....Creatures... ) games
Female knight ( I am currently enjoying playing as a female knight on The Elder Scrolls : Oblivion but it'd be awesome if there was an AGS game about a female knight too )
I've got another female knight character over at Adventure Quest RPG
More games like Spooks! , where you can play as a ghost / ghoul. ( boy or girl , doesn't matter...in fact I'd like to see at least one game where you can play as a male ghost and since you get to play as a female ghost in Spooks! I wouldn't mind at all if another female ghost story wasn't made...it would just be cool to see another one... )

So , how many guys here are interested in creature / child raising simulations and romance novels? lol

I also love "God gaming" / "survival" , anything where I can control little people to build me something or go hack down trees for materials , ect. makes me happy.
I forget what kind of simulations those are called...um , world building , I guess.
Games like Pharaoh ( which I often tend to misspell ) , The Sims , Black & White ,
Dark Cloud , ect.
http://www.cdaccess.com/html/pc/pharaoh.htm
http://www.lionhead.com/bw2/
I like anything where I can "build" stuff ( or have my people build it for me lol )
and control a creature / person...
I love to customize things.

Sorry if I'm missing anything , I am looking through stuff...

"Age of Discovery" games ( ie Skies of Arcadia / Legends of Arcadia )

Guys aren't the only one that are interested in pixel nudity / hentai games...so - Some naughty games for females ( Even though "Crave" is mainly geared towards males...so far I'm enjoying it too. It's not everyday I get to play as a naughty stick guy with an awesome power. lol I enjoyed what little I've played of LSL too )

Pirates. I know it's been done over and over....

Asian themed games
( Mahjong , Youkai related games , Go , an Asian RPG , Ninjas , Kaiju , ect. )
Youkai / Obakemono / Yokai - spirits demons monsters otherworldly creatures
http://www.youkaimura.org/
Kaiju - huge monsters or even huge robots and such but mostly monsters...you know , like Godzilla? lol

A queen on a quest or a peasant girl on a quest to become queen or learns that she is destined to be queen...something like that. PLEASE , NO MORE PRINCESSES! lol

Short game in which you are a Beholder. LOL

A "mom" game that's actually interesting. ( in other words not a stereotypical female mother figure but one who can actually kick butt just as well as she cooks dinner or having a more realistic mom who may not be a great cook but is a lawyer or doctor or something like that )

Instead of mostly fighting monsters ( although you can still fight certain monsters ) , a game that is more about making friends with monsters than fighting them.

A knight that can also cast spells , an honest thief , various hybrids and mixed character / personality types.
( I get so tired of the "you can be a knight but if you choose to be a knight you won't be able to use magic" crap )

Play as a centaur , dark elf , vampire , dragon , or gorgon or something else , ect.

I think it'd be hilarious if there were a game about a lazy female knight who "saves" a guy from a dragon ( or better yet...he's being held captive by a troll! I love dragons so I often feel guilty about enjoying games in which I have to kill a dragon along with a bunch of other creatures....The traditional "tall ugly evil troll" however ....Let's hurt 'em. lol )

As you can probably tell I'm mostly into fantasy and adventure type stuff but I will give sports and "stupid but kinda fun" games like Saints Row a chance too.

I love Chess ( especially Battle Chess ) and Mahjohng

Hmm , I can't remember the names of them but some "non-games" games were really cool....being stuck in one area...having to do a certain task over and over....( a comment on life ) and surrealism....I love stuff like that.

Ok , changed the title.
Now to work on AGS , Ren'py / Re'nai , and ADRIFT stuff!
*sighs as she stares at her mostly empty folders*

Other ideas -
Survival Kids , The Oregon Trail , ect. - like games.

vict0r · Sat 30/09/2006 01:01:15

I want to apolpgize... My previous posts were useless etc.!

I actually fint it great that more females are coming to the community!
I was probably just tired and grumphy when posting, so I really do apologize!

I suggest that the mods remove all unnessesary posts, and let this thread get the purpose it was actually meant to have!

Again, sorry..

The Ivy · Sat 30/09/2006 02:49:27

Quote from: Queen Kara on Fri 29/09/2006 23:53:43
More games like Spooks! , where you can play as a ghost / ghoul. ( boy or girl , doesn't matter...in fact I'd like to see at least one game where you can play as a male ghost and since you get to play as a female ghost in Spooks! I wouldn't mind at all if another female ghost story wasn't made...it would just be cool to see another one... )

Uncanny.

Spoiler

Heh, just a work in progress, but still.

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Raggit · Sat 30/09/2006 03:14:36

My few posts in this thread were very joking, but all mirth aside, I'd like to play a game where I couldn't tell whether it was made by a either a male OR a female. Something with a deep story that
appeals to humanity in general, not select groups.

Couldn't that be done with enough work, time, and thought?

Domino · Sat 30/09/2006 04:30:03

Female, Male, Shemale...Queen Kara did nothing wrong. I don't care who makes the games. I am no sexist, so i could care less. More power to the Queen.

Would anybody freak out if DOOM were made by girls?? Probably not.

DGMacphee · Sat 30/09/2006 08:44:09

Quote from: Helm on Fri 29/09/2006 11:41:49
Now quote my post all over and make fun of me.

No, I'm not going to make fun of you. I agree... it's all bad stand-up comedy. Cause let's face it I do all of my stand-up comedy work on the AGS forums. Like I formulate all of my jokes here and come here with the express purpose of devising clever punchlines and delivering razor sharp wit all over the place. In fact, AGS forums are the very bane of my stand-up comedy existence. And it nice to get comedy feedback from people like you. I will strive to be more funny in more threads that contain pointless over-reactions about discrimination and sexism. I'm so stoopid, stoopid, stoopid. And here I was ready to send my sitcom idea about a man who marries a llama to a television network and enjoy the high-life that all sitcom writers enjoy.

No, forget about making fun of you, Helm. I'll be serious: who are you trying to kid? If your reaction for me saying, "This conversation: full of retardedness!" is "Hey you're not funny!", then you've just proven my point. That's a bullshit argument to my point, thus fuelling the retarded nature of this thread.

I mean, seriously, you think I'M other-enthusiastic? Have you read some of the reactions in this thread to Queen Kara's original post? How it's DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MEN? How it's SEXISM? You expect me to debate on an even level to that? Are you fucking kidding me?

My point is proven. You, along with many others, take things WAY too seriously. It's my whole reason for posting in this thread -- Queen Kara posts something about an all-girls AGS team, and suddenly everyone gets super-serious about the social implication and discrimination and blah blah blah.

Now, I'm going to do something special. I am going to forgo the $14.58 cheque and instead provide you with a can of insect spray...

Use it to kill the bug up your ass.

(ha ha did you see waht i did thar, helm? see, the line above was the punchline thus ending the joke! does my comedy appease you now, oh great lord of the jokes?)

Now, quit the whole "Stop mocking people or else I will get the impulse to attack! Rar rar you fail at being funny and at life! Bullshit attitude and blah blah blah!" If you've really got an impulse to attack or have any problem that's specifically got to do with me, then PM me about it and we can discuss it in private.

And on a related note, I find it very sanctimonious of you to criticise me about my "bullshit attitude" and "being an asshole on the internet" in regards to respect for my peers. I remember many times you've struck down others with your "bullshit attitude". Like a few years ago when you went apeshit at Yufster, starting a thread to verbally smack her down. And although you were acting like an asshole to her, I still defended you on it because I thought you had a valid enough point regardless of your attitude. And Yufster was pretty cool about your whole rant against her too.

Sylvr · Sat 30/09/2006 14:16:58

Quote from: Sinsin on Fri 29/09/2006 23:39:33
Girls Get together
Girls come up with idea
Girls start writing game and drawing graphics
Girls begin arguing about the shade of lipstick the main character is wearing
All hell breaks loose

Nice stereotype there. :

Personnally, girls like that annoy me. That's why I'm on here all the time, attempting to make some decent games. Boo lipstick. However, I wouldn't mind working with girls on a game. Just maybe not an all-girls team. Having another female on any such team could bring out some new sub-genres of adventure gaming.

ManicMatt · Sat 30/09/2006 14:51:36

HAHA Good one ~~MrColossal~~ ~~Helm~~ DGMacphee!

Raggit · Sat 30/09/2006 16:12:27

Quote from: DGMacphee
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That's a bullshit argument to my point, thus fuelling the retarded nature of this thread.

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DG, just because you use that in response to everything everybody tries to say, doesn't mean you're right.

Now before you accuse me of bullshitting here, let me say that I don't give two craps either way about an all-girl AGS team. If any men here have a problem, they can start their own all-boy AGS team.

I think there were some good points in your original post, but they were rather hard to find beneath all the sarcasm. Perhaps toning back on the sarcasm would be helpful. Then people would see your points more clearly without taking it so personally.

MrColossal · Sat 30/09/2006 16:51:29

I like how helm has a bug up his ass but you seriously can't take jokes i.e. Progz's post. "But they aren't jokes, they're stupid stupid dumb whatever.." fine whatever... Just don't apologize to him in the thread you insulted him in! That might mean you'd have to lighten up and not take things so seriously which... is exactly what you're accusing people in this original thread of doing! Oh my!

If you'll look back, by the time you entered this thread all the hooplah was over.

I look forward to your attack.

Venus · Sat 30/09/2006 19:10:59

Quote from: Queen KaraSo , how many guys here are interested in creature / child raising simulations and romance novels? lol

Err, isn't it a little stereotypical of you to think that this is what females are generally interested in?
I don't like romance novels. And I'm not really into simulations and I honestly hate "world/creature building" games.
On the other hand, I enjoyed a lot of AGS games and am looking forward to dozens of others that are not yet released (including The Forgotten Element btw). And yet I'm female...
I think it all comes down to taste and not really to gender in the end.

But apart from all that, you seem to have loads of good ideas for potentially great games. Why don't you just settle for one and start working on it? I personally love your idea of having a female knight as main character.
So, GO QUEEN KARA AND MAKE A GREAT GAME!!!
And if you need any help, just ask and I'm pretty sure you'll find it somewhere on these forums.

Ubel · Sat 30/09/2006 20:24:46

QuoteSo , how many guys here are interested in creature / child raising simulations and romance novels? lol

As Venus said, it's not actually a matter of gender. Some might consider it weird but I actually do like romantic movies for example. Haven't really read any romance novels, but I have a male friend who writes romance poetry. So this surely has nothing to do with gender.