Google Wave

[MrColossal]

What's weird is that a friend asked me if I wanted an invite and then the next day I was in. Maybe he's magical?

[Patternjake]

Wow finally someone has said about Google Wave.

It LOOKS INCREDIBLE.

Wether it will actually be useful, only time will tell. Ill definately use it when it comes out.

The live translation sounds promising since many of my friends speak different lingos it will surely help out

Im just still bummed that I didnt get an invite haha

[Disco]

I've just joined up with this today, but it was for having signed up for the updates on the website so dunno if it's just the next step for release or not. Anyways, this thing looks quite cool and I am already thinking of neat ways to use it

[lemmy101]

I got 30 invites now, yay! (well nominations, may take a few days to come through)

pm me your email address if you'd like one.

[Nikolas]

I want one and you know my address! So let me have it! Thanks ^_^ (Will catch you on chat laters at some point, once I get back from the Internetless studio! :@)

[lemmy101]

Haha already did yours, Nik!

[jkohen]

I just got quite a few invitations to Wave. If anyone still wants some, send me a PM with your Google account address.

Edit: I just read back on the thread and noticed that lemmy101 also got a lot and is giving them away. Sorry for the noise

[monkey0506]

Just wanted to leave (leaf) a big shout out to jkohen coz his invite he gave me for "t3h wave" is awesome. Not that anybody's around to see it.

[jkohen]

Just wanted to leave (leaf) a big shout out to jkohen coz his invite he gave me for "t3h wave" is awesome. Not that anybody's around to see it.

I expect you got some invitations as well, but if not, feel free to ask me for a couple more invitations for your friends/colleagues/etc.

Cheers,

[Wonkyth]

I PMed Lemmy, but he doesn't seem to be around at the moment.
Does anyone else still have some available?

Never mind.
Thanks Lemmy!

[Gregjazz]

If anybody still has a Wave invitation, I have Google Voice invitations and would be willing to exchange. Send me a PM.

EDIT: Thanks Lemmy!!

[rharpe]

Google Wave is NOT as good as I was hoping it would be. To me it's an over glorified e-mail/IM app that has a long ways to go before it is public ready. People say it's revolutionary... I guess I just don't see it.

Google Voice is MUCH better in my opinion...

[lemmy101]

Google Wave is NOT as good as I was hoping it would be. To me it's an over glorified e-mail/IM app that has a long ways to go before it is public ready. People say it's revolutionary... I guess I just don't see it.

Google Voice is MUCH better in my opinion...

Oh it is. It will change the internet. If you're focussing on the wave client in your browser you're kinda missing the revolutionary point.

I could explain, but happily this guy will do it for me

http://www.jasonkolb.com/weblog/2009/09/why-google-wave-is-the-coolest-thing-since-sliced-bread.html#more

[rharpe]

Oh it is. It will change the internet. If you're focusing on the wave client in your browser you're kinda missing the revolutionary point.

I could explain, but happily this guy will do it for me

http://www.jasonkolb.com/weblog/2009/09/why-google-wave-is-the-coolest-thing-since-sliced-bread.html#more

Sorry, I couldn't make it through the full article... I think I fell a sleep.

This guy sounds so excited he must have peed himself. I'm not interested in the nuts and bolts that make this thing tick, I want to know more about how the interface will make a difference. (Because that is really the only thing that I, or anyone for that matter, can play with, right?)

Still not impressed...

[TerranRich]

Like I've said before, this thing will only be useful to certain types of people... people who will have a need for such communications tools, such as people working on collaborative projects (hell, even game developers collaborating on a project with AGS could find Wave useful). But to the average IMer or web user? Hardly.

[lemmy101]

I want to know more about how the interface will make a difference.

The whole point of the article is that if you're focusing on the interface you're missing the point of why it IS revolutionary. Since you asked why it's revolutionary that was my answer. :p

it's kinda like 20 years ago saying 'I don't see what's so revolutionary about HTTP. All there is is some weird gaudy coloured HTML pages people have done with what their favourite bands are. What's to be excited about?' And now you're replying on the AGS board, buying books on Amazon, booking flights, doing your weekly shopping, finding directions on google maps, connecting to people on facebook, practically everyone in the western world has a PC on the internet now, and none of this would have even existed without HTTP. Now doesn't the guy who wasn't impressed with HTTP and didn't see that as revolutionary look a bit silly?

Wave, or rather the XMPP underlying it, has the potential to have that huge an impact on the internet, that far far trancends what's visible in that one web client called 'Google Wave' that we've got at the moment. It's the nuts and bolts you're not interested in that could change absolutely everything we do on the internet today, that's revolutionary.

To compare Wave to MSN or to Google Mail or Hotmail or Facebook, is rather like comparing two web pages with each other. Irrelevant. All you've seen is the first implementation of an MSN like Google Mail like thing using a more far-reaching technology. It's that more far-reaching technology that's revolutionary, the MSN like and Google Mail like thing are just the first uses of that technology. The technology that is capable of much much more, and that's why people are excited.

If you're not personally interested then that's cool, but to say you don't think it's revolutionary, not read the stuff offered that explains exactly why it is revolutionary, and yet still deny it's revolutionary is blinkered and a little annoying and somewhat akin to creationists bleating 'show me the evidence' yet refusing to look at any of the evidence when it's offered. :p

Also as Rich says, as a collaborative tool it is already immensely useful. We're using it on a project right now and it makes a huge difference in how you can communicate on a project over stuff like MSN / email.

[TerranRich]

It will not be revolutionary for the average, ordinary web user who just IMs for fun and uses Facebook maybe.

A better analogy would be questioning how revolutionary hybrid cars are. In theory, they're the next generation of cars and should, by right, replace all the cars on the road. But in practice, hardly anybody I know has bothered to even get one, even if they're in need of a new car.

In theory, Google Wave looks insanely revolutionary and you'd think that everybody would be stampeding to use it once it's released to the public. But in practice, that might not be the case.

[lemmy101]

It will not be revolutionary for the average, ordinary web user who just IMs for fun and uses Facebook maybe.

I disagree. The whole point of XMPP is it breaks down barriers between these things, so in 10 years time receiving a phone call / SMS on your mobile, chatting on facebook, chatting on MSN, posting on AGS could all be things using XMPP.

Therefore instead of sending something to a facebook server to post on your wall, sending something to the AGS server to post in GenGen, sending something to your mobile network to send an SMS to someone's phone, sending a request to PayPal to pay for something, sending a message to Steam to invite someone to a game. All these things and many many more can communicate directly with each other without a server needing to get involved.

This means the entire internet could(and probably will) transform wildly and massively into something you wouldn't even recognise today. In the same way HTTP transformed the bulletin board based internet people who used that knew into something they now wouldn't recognise. And what is possible with it, even for a casual user you describe, will be massively improved and somewhat akin to the future we see on sci-fi films where everything computery from your TV to your phone to your computer is connected in a such profound way that is not possible today.

Just off the top of my head, surely a gamer, who wouldn't care about Google Wave in the slightest, would appreciate the technology that allowed him while walking home from the train station, to get an alert pop up on his mobile phone saying 'so and so has invited you to play L4D5' and pressing a button and suddenly being in the voice channel with the guys playing and saying 'hey guys, will be there in 10 minutes when I get home, save me a slot!'

This stuff isn't possible as things stand without some company writing a specific app for it, but this is just an off the top of my head example of the kind of free connectivity I'm talking about where these things just work because they are all XMPP clients, and XMPP clients just know how to communicate with each-other no matter what they are to an XMPP client a 'text communication' or a 'voice communication' are just that. Imagine if every app, on your phone, on the internet, on your desktop, on your console, on your stereo or fridge, had this kind of power to connect blindly to anything else. That's revolutionary for everyone who uses any of this technology in any way. And Google Wave is step one on that road.

[Darth Mandarb]

For me, personally, I'm already drowning in the flood of ideas in my head for applications I could create using "wave" technology (XMPP).  Maybe it's a case of where it's mostly web developers seeing the future of the tech?  I don't know what rharp does for a living so I'm just speculating.

While I'm not as convinced as the author of the article lemmy linked to that it will be a game-changer I definitely see it's potential to be one.  You just never know what the masses will adopt.  They adopted http and email ... and this is the next evolution of that so we'll see! 

Personally; I have my adoption papers signed and ready!

[TerranRich]

Man, being a web developer is tough. I can already see I'm going to have to learn how to program web apps for XMPP. :-/