Hurray for San Francisco!

SSH · Mon 23/02/2004 18:27:16

When it comes down to it, why should the state care whether two people have promised to stay together forever, anyway?

a) They end up not staying together most times anyway
b) In the UK at least there are hardly any tax advantages to being married. In fact, if my wife and I divorced our total income would go up... due to her qualifying for extra child tax credit, working tax credit, etc.

Marriage in a church is another thing, though. I don't think that anyone's going to start going to the mosque and demanding they change their rules to let gay people get married there, so I don't see why the church shouldn't be allowed to have its own rules for the behaviour of its members. There are plenty of other sexual minorities out there that the church doesn't approve of, so why should it have to approve of gay relationships? No-one accuses the Amish of oppressing electricity companies...

MrColossal · Mon 23/02/2004 18:30:12

not to mention people got married before christ was even born

Vel · Mon 23/02/2004 18:35:49

Well if they still'd like to get married, let them sign some papers, but imagine how would you feel if you were the abbot who marries the homosexual couple in a church or mosque.

DGMacphee · Mon 23/02/2004 18:37:54

I'd be cool about it.

MrColossal · Mon 23/02/2004 18:38:03

That's all their asking Vel, and so far that's all they've done. So we're in agreement.

there are some christians/muslims/zoroastrians that approve of gay marriage also...

Vel · Mon 23/02/2004 18:42:06

We're not talking of evangelists or something - they have a PRAYER FOR MONEY(and i've heard this from an evangelist)! It is not as I am religious or something though, but that is well over the top.

Fuzzpilz · Mon 23/02/2004 18:42:12

...and the relevance of that rule for modern Christianity is questionable as well. Are you interested in outlawing shaving one's eyebrows in mourning, or shearing the firstborn of one's sheep? Do you want to force people to build railings around their roofs?

Vel · Mon 23/02/2004 18:45:32

All who consider themselves true christains should follow the ten rules. Then again, I am an atheist and still follow all of them except one(believe in me/God/).

DGMacphee · Mon 23/02/2004 18:52:02

Yeah, the ten commandments said "Though shalt not dream about dick if thy are male, nor shalt thou enjoy listening to Liza Minelli or Kylie Minogue."

MrColossal · Mon 23/02/2004 18:52:15

just a little comment, the 10 commandments don't mention homosexuality. so everyone wins!

SSH · Mon 23/02/2004 19:05:10

Eric: what about not coveting thy neighbour's ass? My neighbour is a guy... QED

And Vel, you mean you don't download MP3s or abandonware or offer to get people hacks for Paintshop?

DGMacphee · Mon 23/02/2004 19:08:46

My mum held up a liquor store the other night and shot two people, but I still respect her!

I LOVE BIBLE CAMP!

Vel · Mon 23/02/2004 19:19:39

QuoteAnd Vel, you mean you don't download MP3s or abandonware or offer to get people hacks for Paintshop?

That aint mentioned in the commandments...

DGMacphee · Mon 23/02/2004 19:22:30

It's not???

Holy crap! In that case, I'm stealing my sister's Malibu Stacey dolls!

AGA · Mon 23/02/2004 19:22:37

Thou shalt not steal is, Vel.

veryweirdguy · Mon 23/02/2004 19:23:31

"Thou shalt not steal" for the modern generation.

I think that covers it.

EDIT: Damn, you, AGA & DG. We will meet again, when you least expect it. Or when you most expect it. Haven't decided yet.

DGMacphee · Mon 23/02/2004 19:24:35

Shut up, you two! I almost had me a Malibu Stacey convertible!

Trapezoid · Mon 23/02/2004 19:27:05

Actually, internet piracy is more of a copyright infringement than stealing. But I think that's in the Ten Commandments too.

Meowster · Mon 23/02/2004 19:51:12

Today, I had a heated debate... no, no... I shouted at my Guidance Counsellor for his idiotic views on gay rights, which went something like this:

1) First they hand out gay marriage rights, then they hand out rights to own machine guns in the home... (hmm, where have I heard this one before..?)
2) They shouldn't be allowed adopt children because they'll get bullied for having gay parents. By the same logic, women should not be allowed wear skirts because they are just so asking to be raped. Blame the victim, I say! In fact, let's stop black people having children, because they'll only have to endure racist comments and such from racist morons!!! Let's stop athiests and english people from having children in Ireland. They'll only have to endure the torture of being called "Devil Worshipper!" and "English Bastard!" by mindless primary school children!

Huh.

He also said that the child of a gay couple would grow up to be gay, like the child of a violent parent would grow up violent. This was what caused me to get exasperated, because my father was extremely violent and abusive, and yet neither me nor my sisters have ever touched a hair off anybody elses head or been anything but polite and pleasant to other people. It showed how narrow minded he was. He argued that a child needs a good father and a good mother figure to grow up properly, and I pointed out not only that all of us grew up fine, but that plenty of single parents survive to raise wonderful children. And besides that, you're either gay or you're not. There's no, "Ah, well I think I'll try gayness today!". And on top of all that, so what? If people choose to be gay, fair play to them I say! If they're worried about a falling birthrate in America, perhaps they should make third level education more accessible, so people stop having small families soley because they cannot afford to send their children to Uni.

EDIT: The irony of me saying I got 'really, really fucking angry' and then claiming that I did not grow up to be an angry person, was too much. I edited it. I now sound calmer. Cooler. I'm cool. Smoooooth.

SSH · Mon 23/02/2004 20:34:15

If the Americans are worried about a falling birthrate, then banning sex education in schools seems to usually help generate a few teenage parents...