I have a problem with future.

[modgeulator]

I blame Elvis:

Damn you Elvis with your sexy dancing! Look what you've done!

[Peter Thomas]

Elvis is dead.

He dances no more, except in the hearts of those who dare to dream...

[DGMacphee]

So, the moral of this thread is...



SIXTY-NINE, DUDES!

[TheDude]

It's funny that my dress sense is exactly the same as Teds, minus the waistcoat.

[Nacho]

I don't really like Rap, all the rythims are the same and I can't really appreciate the most appealing part of them, the lyrics, because the slang they use is too difficult to understand for me.

I like EMINEM in some way because he has some fresh rythims and nice melodies in some movements, but, as I haven't investigated the lyrics deeply, if someone comes telling that he is a moron i couldn't reply...

But, hey! We can blame to Rap that youth preffer to waste their energies in listening the songs and complaining about the World encouraged by the contents of the songs than attempting to make the World better.

I never really liked professional complainers...

I mean, It's ok to complain, "world sucks, Bush sucks, war sucks"... But  make something about it.

I don't say that you should go to a catholic mission in Burundi, but at least do something, aid in the local dining room for poor people, vote against Bush, go to a demostration against the War...

And... that's my complain about Rap... IMO it's harmless, but their followrs are in many cases a bunch of professional complainers.

-"Have you heard the new song of Mr- Demolition Rapman?
-Oh yeah, man, how deep are their lyrics! World sucks! I like the part when he says we should fight for our rights, man!
-Indeed, Brotha'!!! so! Shall we go now to fight for our rights, man?
-No, Brotha! I gotta finish to make this joint!
-You're right, man!"


EDIT: Actually, on second thought, I think that the "laziness" attitude of some youth people was there before they started to get into the Rap, but the Rap is some kind of catalyst... What was before, the egg or the Chicken? Future don't give a damn to some young people because they listen to Rap or they listen Rap because future don't give a damn to them? I can't really answer.

[Babar]

You like Eminem? He is such a moron!
I agree with you that it is basically harmless. You can say it affects (or is it effects) people the same way violence in video games affect people. It mostly depends on the type of person, not the type of violence.
I don't understand peoples attitude about rap music. It is just music. It is in no way better as a genre than for example rock. I mean it is Ok to go "Ohh I like this singer, his lyrics are so deep" and nonsense like that, but in the end it is just music. It is entertainment. It is created by the musician for selling so that money can be earned. Same for rap. This attitude is not only restricted to these Forums. Friends of mine who live in the US even have this attitude where if someone listens to rap, that person is somehow different from others. I am thankful that I have the open mindedness to appreciate both these genres as well as many others. There is lots of Rap I enjoy and lots I dislike, same with rock. I have many friends who only like either rap or rock, and they are not much different from each other. It is not like one type is more prone to drugs or pot or profanity (whatever it was) than any other. And don't tell me other types of music than rap dont have lyrics suggestive of drugs/immorality/whatever.
*EDIT*
That is my point releasethefrogs. Violence in games only affects people if they are the type of people who would be affected by violence in games, and these type of people should not be playing those games anyway.

[rtf]

I hate when people say that video games pcause violence.
Maybe some video games depict violence, or encourage violane, but really, how can you tell if they cause violence.

I mean, what are you going to do?  Stick 30 teenagers in a room with a one way mirror, and force them to play Grand Theft Auto for 2 hours straight, and then observe if they start beating each other up?  Or even better, the rate in which each person gets beat up?

[Darth Mandarb]

The only real problem I have with Eminem is that he struggled so hard to become famous and then bitches about being famous.

He's a whiny pussy.

'Gansta' Rap is predominantly about drugs, guns, and violence.

Rock music (the rock I listen to) is mostly about love.

There is a difference.

(Yes there is rock music that is bad and crap.  But the discussion was about rap.)

~ d

[Shattered Sponge]

'Gansta' Rap is predominantly about drugs, guns, and violence.

Rock music (the rock I listen to) is mostly about love.

There is a difference.

Some people would argue that exposing teenagers and kids to songs glorifying love would mean that they place a very high importance upon finding it, thus tricking themselves into believing they have found it the first time they so much as have a crush on someone, and ending up getting themselves pregnant because YOU and your HEATHEN ROCK MUSIC made them careless!

Of course, such people are silly and deserve to be mocked openly, but their argument is no more ridiculous than any that says rap music has any substantial negative effects upon anyone.

(Yes there is rock music that is bad and crap.  But the discussion was about rap.)

The point being made was that there was no fair reason for the discussion to focus upon rap specifically.

[Darth Mandarb]

My main point is that kids these days NEED positive role models.

They aren't getting them.

There are positive role models out there.

They're just not considered cool.

And that's simply pathetic.

Edit - and I would much rather my future children listen to songs about love than about drugs and violence and thug-life.  That's a no-brainer.

[Nacho]

My main point is that kids these days NEED positive role models.

They aren't getting them.

There are positive role models out there.

They're just not considered cool.

And that's simply pathetic.

Edit - and I would much rather my future children listen to songs about love than about drugs and violence and thug-life.  That's a no-brainer.

I agree... let's see: When I was a kid I watched "the Smurfs", "Tintin", Disney and Warner Brothers' stuff, "Heidi"... Now the young people watches "Cow and Chicken", "Dexter's laboratory" and "KND"... I think that the message is not very positive...

[modgeulator]

Yes there is rock music that is bad and crap.

You mean all the cliched, derivative "love" song rock ballad crap?

[DGMacphee]

'Gansta' Rap is predominantly about drugs, guns, and violence.

Rock music (the rock I listen to) is mostly about love.

You don't listen to a great variety of rap or rock, do you?

There are many rock songs about drugs, guns, and violence.

To name a few bands and artists: Nirvana, Silverchair, The Vines, The Boomtown Rats, Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, Deep Purple...

At the same time, there's a lot of rap that's not about drugs, gun, and violence.

For example, take "that whiny pussy" Eminem and his Oscar winning song "Lose Yourself".

Edit - and I would much rather my future children listen to songs about love than about drugs and violence and thug-life. That's a no-brainer.

Meanwhile, some kid in the ghetto has to deal with the drugs, violence, and thug-life.

And the ghetto didn't end up that way cause of rap music.

Rap music only reflects what's going on in the ghetto.

Thug-life exists in the ghetto cause of money, or lack thereof.

Thug-life exists because the cops there are like nazi-overlords.

Thug-life exists cause drugs are being run from overseas, which so-called "thugs" sell on the streets, which once again relates back to money.

Rap music didn't cause these things.

They exist because white people don't want to acknowledge there's problem in ghettos.

As Furious Styles says in the film 'Boyz In Da Hood':

Furious Styles: Why is it that there is a gun shop on almost every corner in this community?
The Old Man: Why?
Furious Styles: I'll tell you why. For the same reason that there is a liquor store on almost every corner in the black community. Why? They want us to kill ourselves.

and this:

The Old Man: Ain't nobody from outside bringing down the property value. It's these folk, shootin' each other and sellin' that crack rock and shit.
Furious Styles: Well, how you think the crack rock gets into the country? We don't own any planes. We don't own no ships. We are not the people who are flyin' and floatin' that shit in here.

[Darth Mandarb]

* sigh *

You don't listen to a great variety of rap or rock, do you?

Quotes by Darth Mandarb

"'Gansta' Rap is predominantly about drugs, guns, and violence."

"Rock music (the rock I listen to) is mostly about love."

"Yes there is rock music that is bad and crap."

*sigh again*

[InCreator]

This is more like regional thing, where I live, kids listen rap alot, but there wasn't been any school shootings ever. Firearms are still more a thing that only grownup criminals carry and they cannot be bought from street... at least usual kids cannot.

[BruisedWeasel]

The Old Man: Ain't nobody from outside bringing down the property value. It's these folk, shootin' each other and sellin' that crack rock and shit.
Furious Styles: Well, how you think the crack rock gets into the country? We don't own any planes. We don't own no ships. We are not the people who are flyin' and floatin' that shit in here.

A person hands you a lump of shit. Does this mean you're obligated to throw it at your neighbor's car?

Just thought I'd add my two cents. I don't much feel like arguing over shit tonight.

[DGMacphee]

* sigh *

You don't listen to a great variety of rap or rock, do you?

Quotes by Darth Mandarb

"'Gansta' Rap is predominantly about drugs, guns, and violence."

"Rock music (the rock I listen to) is mostly about love."

"Yes there is rock music that is bad and crap."

*sigh again*

Why are sighing? Are you in love with me because I'm sooo dreamy?  

You still haven't made any distinction between rock and Gangsta rap as a whole.

You're going purely on music you've listened to, which to me seems very limited -- Thus, I said "You don't listen to a great variety of rap or rock, do you?"

There are many great rock songs that aren't about love, but are about violence, drugs, and guns.

For example, Purple Haze by Hendrix, Janie's Got A Gun by Aerosmith, Woke Up This Morning by Alabama 3, I Don't Like Mondays by The Boomtown Rats...

I mean, you're generalising a lot of Gangsta rap and Rock on the basis of the few songs you've listen to.

I mean, would you also say "I hate Martin Scorsese's gangster films because they're filled with violence, guns, and drugs"?

I doubt you would.

BruisedWeasel:

A person hands you a lump of shit. Does this mean you're obligated to throw it at your neighbor's car?

Throwing shit at a person's car is a little different to selling crack.

People sell crack to make money -- I don't see how you'd make cash from throwing shit at cars unless someone hired you to throw shit at a car, which is retarded!

But interestingly, a child would throw shit as someone's car as a prank if there's enough peer pressure from other kids -- just the same as if other kids wanted him to smoke crack.

[Kairus]

People sell crack to make money -- I don't see how you'd make cash from throwing shit at cars (...)

Ah, that's easy, throw some shit to the car without the car owner being able to see you and then kindly ask him for some money to clean his car.

Don't throw too much shit or it won't be worth all the hard work.

[DGMacphee]

Ah, that's easy, throw some shit to the car without the car owner being able to see you and then kindly ask him for some money to clean his car.

Don't throw too much shit or it won't be worth all the hard work.

Damn, now all my years at university have gone to waste when I could have been doing this to earn a living.  

[Darth Mandarb]

Why are sighing? Are you in love with me because I'm sooo dreamy?  

I wouldn't call it love ...

You still haven't made any distinction between rock and Gangsta rap as a whole.

I'm not really trying to make a distinction.  I think there's a lot of rock that is shit.  I thought this conversation was [started] about Rap, so thats why I steered in that direction.

So, be it Rap/Rock/Hip-Hop/Country/Whatever, if it 'glorifies' violence, drugs, or other bad things, I consider it shit.  Songs about those things where the point is, 'they're bad', are okay (in my opinion).

You're going purely on music you've listened to, which to me seems very limited -- Thus, I said "You don't listen to a great variety of rap or rock, do you?"

I wouldn't call it limited.  I have over 4000 mp3 from Johnny Mathis to Richard Hung.  And I have about 100 CDs I collected (before MP3 came 'round).  I love music.  I just think there's some that is inappropriate for younger audiences.

I give a lot of different/new music a chance ... but if I don't like it, I don't listen to it again.

I tend to listen (mostly) to songs(music) that are about love and happiness.

Because it makes me happy.

Or sad ...

Then I do 8 lines of Coke and grab my glock and start wasting people!!!