Sexuality issues

[Helm]

What I've always found peculiar is the split in homosexual society, where there's the type that's just a regular guy/girl who just so happens to be homosexual, and you've got the over-the-top effeminate guys and over-the-top masculine girls.

They crack me up though. There's nothing funnier than seeing a skinny guy in a pink boa tell off some guy for calling him a 'queer' while making elaborate hand gestures and speaking in a high-pitched squeeky voice. Especially the fact that the guy calling him something negative will usually slink off, entirely uncomfortable with the looks he's getting.

Pink boas FTW!

While sexual orientation being a choice or not is certainly under debate, that social identifiers for sexuality are chosen roles mostly isn't.

I look forward to a post-modern time where raging homosexual behaviour will no longer necessarily signify that a person is gay.

oh wait

[Tuomas]

Thanks for making the reading worthwile people. I was away for 2 days and we got a lot of opinions this far, some positive some negative, but they're all important, and they're good material for me, so yay. Basically though I wouldn't want to stop some people like Steel Drummer from posting at all because reading his posts I'm getting to see his views. And even though ones opinion is based on some more or less correct facts, it doesn't really matter, it's an opinion. I don't go shooting right wingers because they disagree, I'd just rather see what makes them disagree. Now I agree... err, dunno what, sorry, a black out... Due to end of this post*. But it's great to see so many people agree with me, and it's great to see there are no big fights, and no-one is on a rampage even though this is a somewhat dangerous subject.

* yay a girl I just met sent me an sms, so I gotta go now ^_^ (yeah, I'm straight too)

[vict0r]

(yeah, I'm straight too)

Not with that haircut gonzo.

[lo_res_man]

But you got a BEARD?! lol  
edit, aw shucks, that was my joke!

[Tuomas]

O_o eh?

[Mozesh]

Some people say that they think things like gay marriage is wrong because of their believes. Is your believe theirs? Should they be bothered about what the heck you think? I think not. Personally I think it's great that here in Holland such things as gay-marriage are possible.

Also I'm surprised about the amount of bullcrap given as arguments by the 'against' side. Worldpeace starts with yerself, with respecting one another. Respecting one's sexuality is a big part of that ain't it?

[radiowaves]

Marriage is a part of many religions. So, by marrying, people accept the religious rules... well, at least thats how it is meant. People who don't have the belief in those rules, can just live together or find some another religion what allows them to marry.
But yeah, today, you can marry without church, you just sign some law papers and thats all, so... is it marriage or  there is another name for it?

[Nikolas]

Marriage is a contract inside or outside a religion.

In a religion you have the ceremony, so that everybody knows that you' re married, and give n a chance to say "No I don't want him, her".

In a court you sign the papers (which either way you also sign in a church).

It's the same thing pretty much... Church costs huge more usually...

[MrColossal]

I enjoy when the priest says "By the power vested in me by the state of New York..."

A priest can be the bestest of buddies with God, Jesus and Slimer but the state gives him the power to marry?

Maybe marriage is more a legal matter than people think?

[The Ivy]

Maybe marriage is more a legal matter than people think?

Dun dun dunnnnn!

Should somebody tell God?

[MrColossal]

I would but he won't accept my friend request on Myspace!

[LUniqueDan]

Maybe marriage is more a legal matter than people think?

You are touching something.

+++ Disclaimer +++
I'm Canadian and I shamelessly voted (twice) FOR same-sex union. I have NO moral issues w/ GLBTG. My bug are somewhere else :


+++ A Brief History of Marriage +++
1) One way to manage women who was considered as legally minor in most western countries.
(old-school marriage were nothing else than a legal change of ownership - Still there w. the father bringing is girl to the H.)

2) Societies way to manage the issue of children. (after #1)
(remember how effective contraception are still new in history)

3) Political / social / family ways to gain notoriety / power / wealth.
(The area of forced marriage - some of them planned 50yrs before someones birth.)

4) A religious obligation.

Then - Modern Time

5) A way to Hollywood / Disney to make happy endings without offending no one. "I Looooove Youuuu Forever Honey".

6a) A Tax deductions possibilities in modern nations.
6b) A way to reduce state accountability cost.

+++ A Brief History of Modernity +++
- Economical/political changes removed the #2 and #3.

- Woman suffrage and right to ownership killed #1 (and partly #2).

- Contraception methods / legalization of abortion in conjunction of the sexual liberation of the 60's flushed #2 and #4.

-Separation of Churches and States (or attempted to do so). Killed the #4. And created an all set of laws giving rights to non-married people living together having deduction parental rights and so on...

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The Rest :
What's remaining?

I voted FOR same-sex unions because of 6a). (It was discriminative for gay people)
But honestly - (marriage around here stands 3 yrs in average. ) the only reason why there is still mention about such things as 'marriage' into the law is because no one have the pollitical courage of removed it when women became citizen. The rest are 24bits-color love crap.

(Next time I'm writing something that long - ban me :p )