"If I Were The Devil" -Paul Harvey

[Akumayo]

Not that far opposite I think Helm.... or were you talking of something else?  I can't keep up...

[ManicMatt]

Aetheism and agnosticism, and of course, devilism!

If you were saying that aetheism isn't an actual word..?

[DGMacphee]

Hey wait I'm confused... when he put at the end of his stupid speech, "I'D LEAVE IT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WAY IT IS NOW!!" or whatever, was he not trying to say that all the stuff he just mentioned is happening in reality? That he thinks the opposite to everything he just put, really? That for example, he actually thinks that gay people should be informed that it's not a natural thing to like the same sex? (In his flawed opinion)

Oh I get he was trying to be "ironic", but it came out "retarded".

I'm saying his concept of God and the Devil is flawed. If he became the devil, shouldn't he try and use his devil powers for good?

And if God is so great, how come there's a shitload of stuff that should be done but isn't being done, as I demonstrated?

[Akumayo]

And if God is so great, how come there's a shitload of stuff that should be done but isn't being done, as I demonstrated?

I think Stranger discussed and showed a good point of view on why this is done earlier in the thread.

[esper]

I think "aetheism?" from Helm was a jab in the direction that if aetheism exists, it is an occultic practice dealing with the Seven Aethyrs, because the act of not believing in any deity is known as "atheism," from the Greek a- meaning without, and "theos" meaning "god."

I also think I want to go get some fish and chips now... but in one of those neat sealable styrofoam containers that you Brits don't seem to have, as you eat your shit out of bags.

Oh, by the way, if Christianity were 100% true and accurate, rharpe is still on the wrong course. Trying to make the whole world be good and nice to each other is like trying to put a band-aid on cancer. It's not the friggin' TV stations that are making our kids kill and boink each other, it's the kids themselves. The only reason TV stations play violent and sexual television is because that's what people want to see. You want the youth of America to stop being corrupted? Don't take away "Miami Vice" and "Space Invaders," punch the kids in their mouths.

Preferably while employing brass knuckles.

[Akumayo]

punch the kids in their mouths.

Preferably while employing brass knuckles.

[Helm]

yeah I have no idea what aetheism is, lgm. Explain.

[Damien]

Aetheism is in because it's cool not being "told what to do." I mean, honestly, what Godless person has morals? They just do whatever gives them the most pleasure. Right?

Aetheists are trying to destroy Christianity, yet Christians are trying to destroy aetheism. They're efforts together only result in long ass threads that end up no-where.

Is this sarcasm?

[Akumayo]

I should hope that it is... mostly the top part, that's a pretty strong statement:

what Godless person has morals?

I should hope that it is sarcasm...

[En garde!]

I like Rob Schneider movies and I don't care who knows it! "European Gigoló" had its fair share of funny moments! And he was the only watchable thing of "50 first dates"!

*POSTER WAS BANNED FOREVER BECAUSE OF THIS POST*

[iamus]

Yes, I'm aware of that. What I'm not aware of is why the hell you are eating fish and chips out of a bag...

Good God man! You've never had fish and chips wrapped up in newspaper, so that all the chips get covered in newsprint and the paper gets so soaked in grease that the plastic bag they're in gets wet and everything spills out onto your kitchen table so that the salt and the vinegar and the hot, hot fat get EVERYWHERE?

I lament the passing of the time when consumption of fish and chips was innocent and free. Before the fall from grace. Before mankind learned to synthesise styrenes, and God wept.


IF I WERE A STYROFOAM CONTAINER ......

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

I would also get rid of all Rob Schneider movies.

Good. Goooood. While you're at it, get rid of all Adam Sandler movies as well, except for maybe the Wedding Singer and Anger Management.

Aetheism [sic] is in because it's cool not being "told what to do."

Actually, atheism stopped being "in" at the end of the twentieth century. "Spiritual but not religious" seems to be the new trend these days.

And if God is so great, how come there's a shitload of stuff that should be done but isn't being done, as I demonstrated?

I think Stranger discussed and showed a good point of view on why this is done earlier in the thread.

Thank you! Now there'll be no need for me to repeat myself... will there?

[ManicMatt]

spiritual but not religious? Hey, that might be me!

But then, not only do i think I may have seen ghosts as a child, but it's far more comforting to think that my lost loved ones are still out there is some form or shape, and not just gone.

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

I see your point in allowing sins and doing bad things, as a contrast to doing good things out of free will. As a test, it's a lot more useful to weed out the bad apples. But concerning that select few Christians who keep on going "the world is doomed, you've forsaken Christ!", I keep wondering what it is that's brought them that far. I mean, they believe in a God that's all-mighty, infallible and kind. If He truly is out there, he wouldn't allow the world to turn to shit without having some bigger plan, would He? So if that's true, why have they lost faith in that? Why're they talking about everything going bad, and from that doing detrimental deeds (that have wasted a lot of credibility of the faith. Think televangelists) if they're supposed to believe in Heaven and God and all that encompasses?

Ah. Well, many Christians are waiting for the return of Christ, AKA Judgement Day, and many still believe that it will happen literally according to what the Bible said would happen (i.e. a trumpet blast heard by the whole world, and Jesus coming through the clouds, and all the Christians getting to go to heaven and the heathens left to burn in hell). The thing is, that's scientifically impossible, and anyone with a rational mind would agree that true science and true religion should not conflict. Delving into my personal beliefs, I think the Christians are waiting for something that's already come and gone a couple of times, but in a way that no one really expected. A popular analogy used is that of a thief in the night, who most people don't realise has been there until he's already come and gone.

In short, I actually do still think that there's a bigger plan in store for us. The world is changing and maturing. Some liken it to the maturation of an individual human being; millenia ago, humanity was in a state of childhood, but over the past few centuries, as we've made scientific discoveries and learned that God and heaven aren't fairytales who live up in the sky, we've been going through adolescence. And as anyone who's been a teenager would know, adolescence, by default, is filled with a lot of turmoil and strife; you start rejecting your parents and wanting to assert your independence, and get yourselves into all sorts of trouble, but in the end, it's all a part of growing up. The same is happening in our world today; there's a lot of pain and suffering, but in the end, it'll bring us on the road to adulthood.

Once again, I admire the reasonable discussions we're having. Keep them coming, people! (And while we're at it, I'd really like to know whether rharpe honestly thinks I hate morality...)

[iamus]

I think you hit the nail right on the head there, Stranger.

[Akumayo]

I second that entirely!

[Nikolas]

And if I may ask, why maturity is something that the Christians will like?

Why can't the human maturity be a hospital like life, controled at all, with DNA theories blooming and life forever through cloning? That sounds likely to happen sometime later on and I don't think that this is what the Christians would consider mature or nice or whatever.

Man they don't even like condoms! That is 1 thing that I can't even begin to understand.

The world has changed and religion is the last one to know!

I haven't been in church for a lot of years.
I pray only when I'm in need and never ever any other time.
I swear like a pig!
I haven't stolen, cheated my wife, beaten my children up, killed (of course), and I actually think that I'm one of the nicest persons around.
I think for myself, most of the time and this is what makes me a person and not just people.
I'm not a sheep and I don't follow orders that don't make sense. Not even laws! (As discussed in a much older thread I don't speed because it makes sense and not because I will get a ticket. It makes sense because I might kill myself or even worst I might kill my family or even even worser (!!!!) I might kill someone else). And for some reason if I try (not so hard here in Britain, but very hard in Greece, and even harder in Syria), I find reasons for the laws to exist. And thus I remain lawfull...
I rely on my own brain (which of course has been created with the geens of my father and mother and my grandparents and so on... and it has been trained by them and by the school I was and by friends and by religion, yes it's true). But now I try to keep an open mind to everything and everyway (either religious and I actually like rharpe and a lot of private discussions we had, and other kind)...

Anyway after this great post I have to say that I'm a great guy!

But I will probably go to Hell! And I won't change!

Spoiler

I want to believe that death is like sleeping forever. If you have been good (no matter what this means) you will have good dreams and have a nice sleep. If you have been bad (no matter what this means) you will have nightmares. And the kind of nightmares that you cannot awake from

[close]

[Akumayo]

Why can't the human maturity be a hospital like life, controled at all, with DNA theories blooming and life forever through cloning? That sounds likely to happen sometime later on and I don't think that this is what the Christians would consider mature or nice or whatever.

Man they don't even like condoms! That is 1 thing that I can't even begin to understand.

I'm a Christian (an unconventional one, but nonetheless) and I believe that DNA theories are the future, and have no problem with them.  And I really have nothing against condoms whatsoever!  I think they're a great way to keep down the population and prevent accidental kids (which generally grow up in a divorced, split family, and therefor have a harder childhood)

But, according to you, becuase I'm a Christian, I think that DNA is evil, condoms are evil, birth control in any way is evil, and I'll bet you think that I believe that abortion is evil.

All of which, would be incorrect!

...I don't mean to sound angry, I'm not really angry, I'm just making a point.  I wish people would stop generalizing, it would make this thread progress much faster.

[Nikolas]

I'm actually pretty sure that official christianity (the paupe) condemn the use of condoms. I may be mistaken on this but I'm still pretty sure.

You yourself say that you are an unconventional one (and actually my birthcard and my identity card both state that I'm an orthdox christain myself), so... I'm actually speaking about anyone who takes the words of the paupe as "imposible to errer"!

You're right though. I was generalising and I corrected it now (hopefully)

[Akumayo]

Thank you!