Live in concert

Kinoko · Mon 20/03/2006 05:45:53

Oh, and er, I guess I meant roughly in Aussie dollars. US dollars would be a little less, but still, not much.

Pet Terry · Mon 20/03/2006 09:09:17

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Sun 19/03/2006 15:57:18
1) when they stop charging $15 for a 3 cent piece of plastic I might start buying CDs again

$15 for music cds? That is ~12â,¬, which is half of what we pay for them here. I can't believe you're bickering over how expensive they are.

Should I move to the US now or later?

Afflict · Mon 20/03/2006 10:47:58

www.mp3search.ru

www.allofmp3.com

anybody complains after this of prices I am gona seriously have issues and then just believe your pirates and thieves!

I live in South Africa and I buy from these places my point being is its really cheap if you dont want the actual discs..

So here Darth Mandrab just burn it on your own 3c disk

PS the rand amount to the dollar amount lol is 6-1 ...

Darth Mandarb · Mon 20/03/2006 13:39:36

Quote from: Petteri on Mon 20/03/2006 09:09:17$15 for music cds? That is ~12â,¬, which is half of what we pay for them here. I can't believe you're bickering over how expensive they are

I'm not bickering. Just stating my opinion. It's unfortunate that they're more expensive in other countries, but I don't live there

Quote from: Afflict on Mon 20/03/2006 10:47:58www.mp3search.ru

www.allofmp3.com

anybody complains after this of prices I am gona seriously have issues and then just believe your pirates and thieves!

I've heard/seen both those links. They are russian based companies and, yes, they offer reasonable prices. However; 1) I'm not comfortable giving my credit card number to something like that and 2) a lot of the legit mp3 pay-per-download sites claim that they aren't legal.

biothlebop · Mon 20/03/2006 14:50:59

Whether you get your CD's for 15$ or 40$, it's always gonna be too much when the alternative is to get them for free. I don't believe it's a crusade against the evil RIAA (there is no evil empire), but a matter of people that found an alternative to crappy record collections at the local 7-11 or speciality stores. Music can and should be art as well as factory-line-assembled fodder, and great musicians will always see monetary support. This is what we are hopefully moving towards. A de-industrialization of music, with anyone with a computer having the means and a distribution channel. This makes record labels and their editorial process useless - which is why they are resorting to desperate measures (eg. sueing individuals) to stay in the game.
Certain types of musicians suffer as well, since they cannot make money off the trade between people when they recieve no royalties. They'll live through. Professional studio musicians, gig musicians etc. won't probably suffer as much. People still want to see live shows, music is needed for television etc.
In my opinion, something is wrong about copyright laws, like Tupac or Cobain making songs and money after their deaths.
Music won't die. The industry might, unless it reinvents itself or we enter 1984.

Afflict · Mon 20/03/2006 14:52:23

Ah lol, I guess personal preference.

Anyway Know that I am of sober mind I would like you guys to take a look at this... This is a true reflection of the concert if you werent just watching the bands dying of thirst...

www.hellopeter.co.za

Just check under the 5FM BIG CONCERT AND COCA COLA

Please make comments and stuff even if you werent there. I have emailed coca cola big concerts and 5 fm

I like too bitch as much as the next person when my rights get violated.

Write something like I read this and its appauling!!! or something. I duno. You guys figure it out!

big brother · Mon 20/03/2006 15:51:13

Great points, Darth.

Just to reiterate, the record execs are serving us, the consumer. Our buying power supports them (either directly by product purchase or by investment). They need to pander to our needs. If we don't want CDs, they need to adjust, not us.

Why do you think Blockbuster set up an online system to compete with Netflix?

I see the music going completely digital, not just for price or convenience, but for selection.

Tuomas · Mon 20/03/2006 17:01:53

As Petteri said, your price is like half from ours. Anyway, I don't have much money but I'm sure as hell going to go and buy the New The Flower Kings album when it comes out on 27th. I will be waiting behind the door and when it opens I will buy my 23 euros for the record. It's not always about the music, it's the covers, the official CD, the plastic box, that stuff... but then, there are also things that I wouldn't buy, in fact some of them are coming to me right now

But buying some CDs... it's a matter of principle for me

ManicMatt · Mon 20/03/2006 17:46:19

Monkey Majik seem okay Kinoko, but they're too poppy for my tastes!

Since I got the internet and could get my albums at around half the price on average than in the shops I've rarely ever gone into town since. I do wonder about how the shops must suffer. This can be said about many shops though.

I wouldn't wish for CD's to become eradicated in favour of pure digital music. I'd have to print out the artwork and my CD collection would stop growing into the even huger behemoth that it is!

modgeulator · Mon 20/03/2006 21:41:59

I don't think buying your music at those Russian sites is really any better than downloading off a file sharing service. I'm not too sure that any of that money is going back to the copyright holders. Don't they exploit some loopholes in Russian copyright law, I think they use some sort of a broadcasting license?

PaulSC · Mon 20/03/2006 22:22:57

People can try to justify it to themselves any way they like, but at the end of the day you download copyrighted music, you're stealing it. I've downloaded quite a bit over the years, but I'm not going to sit there and pretend i'm on any kind of moral highground by doing it.

Also: these are things I am sick of hearing, regarding Metallica: people obsessing over that stupid Napster issue which happened years ago and had no real effect on most people one way or another; people overhyping Cliff Burton's importance to the band; people moaning about the clickity drums on Justice, which are in fact really cool; people moaning about what a sellout piece of crap the Black Album supposedly is; people moaning about the lack of guitar solos on St. Anger, as if having solos would really make all those lame songs any better. Metallica are often pretty great but their fans can all go to hell.

big brother · Mon 20/03/2006 22:43:06

Quote from: PaulSC on Mon 20/03/2006 22:22:57
that stupid Napster issue which happened years ago and had no real effect on most people one way or another

Reeeaaaally....

No real effect?

I never tried to justify downloading music for free. Pirating is illegal, and selling an outdated medium for such a high price is plain stupid. Just because I focused on the latter doesn't mean the former loses any validity.

Nikolas · Mon 20/03/2006 23:03:41

I have to share my thoughts here (where on other threads I didn't have to but I did anyway

)

1. CD prices have not risen for something like 10 years now! At least in Europe they remain almost unchanged, in comparison to everything else!

2. Downloading songs through the net, does suck a little bit, if only for the quality of mp3s and oggs. Unless you can download wave files, but still if you are to download 600 Mb in order to listen to something worthwhile then...

3. CDs are overpriced but it is not just the material that is taken into account Darth.

4. Metallicas' maoning over the lost millions sucked big time!

5. Metallicas' music sucks lately (and by lately I mean anything after the Black Album, which I personally like, but I can understand anybody that says that they don't)

6. I buy CDs! I support the artists and everything related. I would like to be able to supprot the artists more but not the companies. And don't tell me that it's easy to do cause it's not!

PaulSC · Mon 20/03/2006 23:10:45

What I meant by 'no effect' is that Lars' campaign against napster and file sharing six or seven years ago hasn't prevented anyone from doing it if they want, meaning it's a bit of a petty waste of time for people to carry on grinding their axes over it.

Tend to agree that the band has gone off the rails, though last week I finally bought Load off ebay for a small sum and it turned out to be a pretty enjoyable album, if gruesomely overlong. Reload is totally hit and miss, admittedly. If they'd made a 50 minute single record out of those two they could've made one of their best. They didn't truly lose it until St. Anger in my view.

Kweepa · Mon 20/03/2006 23:21:29

Quote from: big brother on Mon 20/03/2006 22:43:06
I never tried to justify downloading music for free.

Not directly, but you did agree with DM twice, and DM was definitely trying to justify it. That was misleading. I'm glad you've made your stance clear.

Darth Mandarb · Mon 20/03/2006 23:32:42

Quote from: PaulSC on Mon 20/03/2006 22:22:57
People can try to justify it to themselves any way they like, but at the end of the day you download copyrighted music, you're stealing it. I've downloaded quite a bit over the years, but I'm not going to sit there and pretend i'm on any kind of moral highground by doing it.

I don't deny that it's considered stealing and I'm not trying to take a moral highground. I think people are getting confused with my point/opinion. I'm simply saying; the prices of CDs are too high and I won't pay that price when there is a MUCH cheaper alternative that they can do NOTHING about. If they value my patronage and want me to continue putting money in their pockets, they need to cut the costs MAJORLY and then I'll get on board. Until that day, they can bugger off and continue to lose this war.

Quote from: Nikolas on Mon 20/03/2006 23:03:413. CDs are overpriced but it is not just the material that is taken into account Darth.

Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Sun 19/03/2006 18:27:11If they lower the cost enough, they'd increase their sales by a factor of 10. I know there's a lot more involved than just selling (promotions, tours, marketting, etc) but still. Lower cost per CD = more CD sales.

I really do appreciate that some of you don't approve of mp3 downloading. I feel the same way about the prices they charge for CDs. You all don't approve of mp3 download 'cause you think it's stealing, so you don't do it. I don't approve of the cost of CDs 'cause it's highway robbery, so I don't buy them.

Bottom line; the number of people that DL free mp3 will FAR outbalance the number of people who buy CDs. This just isn't, I doubt, going to change. If they record companies want to keep alive, they need to adapt.

Phemar · Wed 22/03/2006 16:00:42

Wow must have been sweet, Afflict. I'm seeing them in Cape Town on Saturday

Can't wait.

Afflict · Wed 22/03/2006 17:17:09

Yeah was prety sweet, kewl your gona love it hope theres enough food and drink! Call and find out if you can take your own stuff. Else youll end up like this...

WWW.HELLOPETER.CO.ZA