My band went into the studio!

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

"You are good! But not very original..."

It's important to note that Helm never actually wrote this; in fact, he never said the music was good, the closest he came to a compliment was that the music was: 
well-made mostly (a big-time producer would make it sound very marketable) and if you keep at it, you might make it big. 

I think the issue here isn't that you have an opinion (even a negative one) about something, Helm, but rather your sometimes crass approach to getting that point across.  A statement to the effect that Cameron's music depresses you because it will be popular (in spite of your feelings that it's not special or particularly good) isn't constructive by any known definition and just makes you look like you're venting your own frustrations on Cameron.  This isn't really an issue to argue about, and this thread isn't about 'wow helm is a dick/wow I agree with helm', it's about Cameron's music and whether you like it and find merit in it or not.  If you don't that's fine, but you also can state your opinions without being offensive.  He might still dislike your comment, but writing 'while this music sounds like other music I've heard and doesn't really do anything for me, other people might like it and you will probably do well' would get your point across to him without insulting his effort quite so thoroughly.

If you can't understand the difference between stating your opinions in a thoughtful (towards the other person) and respectful manner and stating them callously then I don't know what to tell you, Helm.  The same goes for everyone else: if you aren't looking for conflict then be mindful of what you post -- that's all!

Cameron:  this isn't really my style of music so there isn't a lot I can say about it, though I think you have improved considerably over the last few tunes I heard from you.

[Tiki]

I think that's a very catchy chorus.  The solo needs some sprucing up, though.

[Nacho]

I would change that concept to being a good but unoriginal band, rather than pretending we don't sound like anyone else

Prog, I think Helm mentioned "good but unoriginal". We could discuss forever if "I would change the concept" really means if he thinks they are good or not, but I think it "works" as a compliement.

Now, to Hew.

In your opinion, Helm pissed it off, and you pointed out "the irony" that "this community behaves different sometimes".

So, if I am not wrong, what you meant is that, if any other members "pisses it off", we, as a community, would react censoring him/her, but we didn' t with Helm. So, if I can read between lines, you are saying that we:

a)Have some kind of primal feal to Helm.
b)We are hipocrytal.

Both options have no sense... That' s what I pointed out as an example a member pissing it off (Cameron, telling people to fuck off) and we, as a community, not reacting. We do not automatically react jumping to a member' s jugular if someone pisses it off or makes an "unpleasent crit".

And now, to save time, I am goint to type your reply, so you can cut and paste and we save time:

Me accussing this community of being hypocrytal??? That' s completelly nuts! I have never said that! You are putting words in my mouth! I just pointed out that on any other forum Helm would have been warned repeatedly for attempting to start a flame war and that it is weird how utterly different this community is sometimes. That doesn' t mean that I think that this community does not have the guts to react in front of Helm' s constant attacks!!! I love Helm. I love this community, and I would never imply in any sentence that you said! You are taking things totally out of context! Man! In any other community you should be banned for that! Fuck you!!!

[Andail]

Progz, saying that something is marketable, with a potential of becoming big and sell well, is an enormous compliment.
99,9 % of all music placed on myspace and the likes will never even get close to a contract.

We really need to be less sensitive and more realistic here. People are allowed to vent their opinions, end of story. (They're not allowed to say "fuck off" on the other hand, but that's apparently another story.)

All publicity is good publicity. All attention is good attention. I remember how I posted a song here years ago and I got like two replies. I would have died to have someone tell me that it could be "big".

Jeez, really.

[Nikolas]

All publicity is good publicity. All attention is good attention. I remember how I posted a song here years ago and I got like two replies. I would have died to have someone tell me that it could be "big".

Would that be that madrigal with the guitar and the recorder thingy? What a great song indeed! I believe that I made 2 replies to that thread indeed! I really liked that song!

[Nacho]

Hey, Petter...  I have "when live was worth of living" in my Ipod, and I still hear it with joy! Cheer up! 

[[Cameron]]

Sorry about the "fuck you" thing, I did apolagise quite soon after, and I meant it. I'm quite proud that a lot of you think I could make it big, so thanks for saying so. And uh, this thread isn't really about what it was supposed to be about anymore, so I'll just step out til there are some new recordings and everyone settles.
Cheers,
-Cameron

[vict0r]

Its not my website, it's the station's...and how is it hard to navigate? Just click "on air" to get to the schedule...

And click "listen now" to listen.


*falls apart in confusion

Okaay... I click "on air", and eight new links appear, none of them actually named "listen now". I try to press what seems the most appropriate, "Listen Again", and I get this message: "Sorry...
Listen Again is currently unavailable".
I'm sorry to say, but the website has a generally confusing and annoying interface..

[ManicMatt]

Hello everyone!

"Tree song" is okay, the vocals are better than the other two songs, the second song down's vocals were unpleasant to listen to at one point.. actually tree song is totally better than the other two, it feels tighter. I know what I mean!

I remember Helm was particularly cruel when he ripped apart my older music, the first stuff I did on the PC. Sure I took all the critiscm given to me from AGS and elsewhere, the useful crits that is, and made songs people actually frikking like (For example "No one knows"), so that's good! But Helm said things uncalled for. As usual. But anyways...

Keep at it Cameron!

[[Cameron]]

Yay, Thanks Sam, much appreciation. Cheers bud

[Paper Carnival]

Not my kind of music, but I do find it good and pleasant to listen to.

As everyone has said, the recording quality is poor, especially for songs 2 and 3. But, having composed music with similar (if not worse) sound quality, I think I can understand and appreciate where you are coming from and even "imagine" it in good quality.

My favourite of them three is Midnight Envy, assuming it was professionally recorded.

I don't think the music is very original, but I also don't think that music has to be original to be good. I also think that original music sometimes automatically means crap.

Keep it up!

[Gregjazz]

I don't think the music is very original, but I also don't think that music has to be original to be good. I also think that original music sometimes automatically means crap.

It's getting the right balance of new stuff along with unoriginal stuff that's the key.

[[Cameron]]

Songs 2 and 3 were done as demos on my home set up, I know they sound poor quality. Tree Song is a major step up for us, recording in my bass teachers studio, and yeah we know it's not super high studio quality, but we still reckon it's pretty good.

[[Cameron]]

Alrighty folkys, two new tracks up at the moment. Make sure you listen to Alone because soon it'll come down so I can put up two more. Have a listen, say what you think, I wont bite this time
Cameron

[Gregjazz]

What can I say, sounds great! I really like your style. If you guys stick together and really work on material, it could be a really tight band! You're definitely off to a good start.

I should send you some articles I have on songwriting... basically how hit tunes are constructed, etc. That would be if you want to go that route, getting air play, etc. Let me know.

EDIT: One last comment... I would've liked to hear an acoustic guitar on Alone... but it's fine electric, too.

[Darcness]

Hey man! That's some good music.
Way to go, Cameron!

[[Cameron]]

Thanks Greg and Darcness
Also, two new tracks up so I had to take Alone down, new songs up are called Midnight Envy and One, also, check out our EP cover, our friend Adam did it. It's fingerpainting, and quite good.
Cheers
-Cameron