My band went into the studio!

[Phemar]

First time I heard it I didn't like it, but the more I hear this song the more like it

congrats man... sweet song.

[Evil]

I don't like it either. The Tree Song is the only audibly tolerable song, and even still I find the vocals poor. The tone on everything is good, but reverb and distance is off. Nothing really fits. It sounds like it's trying to be something wicked, but it's not there.

Honestly, I think more time should be spent tightening songs rather than jump into a studio. It all felt like everyone was doing their own thing at once.

I'll give you that you're "original" but it's still not great.

[Sam.]

wow, way to dump on a son evil.

the vocals are MUCH improved over previous work, and cameron has made it clear that this is their first studio produced song.

The lyrics, vocals and timing are sound and although musically the influences are very clear, its a good song and not worthy of your negativity.

[Evil]

He asked what we thought and I told him. All of the feedback, other than Helm, has been just "It's great". I don't think it's great. It's not aweful, for the first time in a studio it sounds alright, but not great.

[Tuomas]

I think it's good. Not musically, it's not my style, but as in the effort and the playing, and the recording. It's not commercial quality, but it's good.

[[Cameron]]

Evil, the other songs on there, Alone and Midnight Envy, are only demos and yes the vocals on Midnight Envy suck. But as for Tree Song I was quite proud of the vocals, we've come a long way in regards to vocals as Zoot said. Since early recordings on my home stuff I've been working on improving my voice and although I recognize that I still need to keep improving I personally think Tree Song went quite well. And we haven't been rushing into the studio, we've been playing this song for over a year, we've spent all that time tightening and improving it. We wanted this first time in the studio as a taster before the holidays so we get used to working in it, and I think we did that well and achieved a good song in the process

[Nikolas]

Cameron: This is YOUR voice?  :o WOW! It sounds good I have to say.

It could be a matter of style, and of course it's not commercial quality, but I do fancy this style, and I find it that it is rather tight, for a live recording... The mixing could be better, but who cares really? First time in the studio! Awesmoe!

I'm sure that next time in the studio it will be better. Not to mention growing up what will bring! You're 17 right? Imagine being 20! Heck I'm jealous now!

[Jesus Juice]

And another constructive bit: learn to take criticism without lashing out, because you'll get a lot of it if you have any sort of public artistic venture like a band or whatever. You won't be able to go very far by telling everybody to fuck themselves when you don't like what they're saying.

Yes, any public artistic venture like a band or whatever will attract criticism be it constructive, destructive or even outright moronic. And yes it is something that Cameron needs to learn to tolerate. On the other hand, dealing out blunt, almost caustic criticism at work that someone has put their heart into isn't very likely to be taken well. It's hard to imagine Helm writing that original comment without knowing exactly how it would be taken. From a certain perspective it would almost seem like Helm engineered the conflict for his own amusement, being just nasty enough to prompt a reaction while not going far enough to appear rude. But I'm sure he wouldn't do that.

[Vince Twelve]

On the other hand, dealing out blunt, almost caustic criticism at work that someone has put their heart into isn't very likely to be taken well.

Heh.  This from the guy that told Yodaman that his music made the baby Jesus cry before the comment was deleted by moderators...

Just an observation! 

[Steel Drummer]

[off-topic rant]
It's mainly my band's guitarist that was the problem- he's pretty cocky and thinks he's better than everyone else (which of course he's not)- our bassist is phenomenal (he looked at what chords to play for about 25 seconds and then he could play the music). Granted, our recording quality sucked, but if we scrapped our lead guitarist I think my band would be a lot better. Speaking of which, he actually did leave to start another band (so in turn, we're replacing him with 3 or 4 more musicians). I hope to get into a recording studio or at least record using a better mic like Cameron. [/off-topic rant]

Cameron, ignore Helm, because he's the only person so far who has had anything negative to say about your band. Helm tends to be fairly negative about other things too, so I wouldn't take his comments seriously. The bottom line: your band is great, you guys have some good potential for a big time record deal, and you guys do remind me of Hendrix. Please post some more songs when you have recorded them, as I love your band. 8)

[Jesus Juice]

Heh.  This from the guy that told Yodaman that his music made the baby Jesus cry before the comment was deleted by moderators...

Just an observation! 

Haha. Poor form that was on my part! I initally thought steel drummer was joking.

[Huw Dawson]

You know, on any other forum Helm would have been warned repeatedly for attempting to start a flame war... It is weird how utterly different this community is sometimes.

- Huw

[Tuomas]

I love how we let people express themselves

However, people keep referring to Hendrix. Be aware, that what they imply to is the main riff in the song, which, yes, is a bit Hendrix like, but the rest, surely not, so don't let it go to your head. The riff is good

[Helm]

It's hard to imagine Helm writing that original comment without knowing exactly how it would be taken.

You are incorrect and I resent that. I did not engineer a conflict for my own amusement. I do not aim for bad things. If you were around you'd have known that besides once (towards Yodaman, who deserves to be ridiculed for being a liar) every time I post about other people's music on this forum, I take it very seriously, because I like when I post about my own music, to be taken very seriously. I see no point in pointless ass-pattery. If people want to become better (professionals like Nikolas, and people with bands that want to make it like Cameron) they should hear it straight. Your imagination is scewed and has no room for people being blunt and honest without there being a bad intention behind this.

You know, on any other forum Helm would have been warned repeatedly for attempting to start a flame war...

Is that so? On any other forum? I'd be warned repeatedly for originally saying I didn't find something original, and later for being told to fuck myself more than once?

[Chicky]

Hah, everyone takes these things too seriously. Cam just wanted to show you guys his recording, i got the same shit when i posted my bands recording. People were trying to critique where it wasn't needed.

You know i think it sounds ace Cam, you've come along so far from the computer mic recordings i heard of your voice some years ago.

It's so much easier to come up to someone on a web forum and put them down by saying you don't like their music, try doing that at a gig. You'll get jumped!

[Helm]

It's so much easier to come up to someone on a web forum and put them down by saying you don't like their music, try doing that at a gig. You'll get jumped!

What are you talking about? I've been to so many concerts, and I've heard so many shouted 'YOU GUYS SUUUUCK' and there's never fights. And it's not like I'm hollering some bullshit at the top of my lungs, I'm trying to help.

Artists that can't take critique never go far.

[Steel Drummer]

If he wanted critique, don't you think he would've posted in the critic's lounge?

[Privateer Puddin']

so please have a listen and tell me what you think.

[Ghormak]

so please have a listen and tell me what you think.

What is wrong with you people! I didn't really like the music, but I don't know if I dare to expand on that or I'll get banned or something.

[Nacho]

What' s the problem with Helm?

You are good, but not too original. Being original in the world of music is almost impossible. You should move to label youselves as good, better than "original"

Has Helm told something like "You are bad" or "Every band trying to be original succeds, but you failed miserabilly..."? No. He said they are good. He said that almost no one, nowadays, can archieve originallity.

Is that so serious? I think it' s a critic... a good one, contructive and real, IMO. 0% of harshness, and some degree of gentle obliging intentions.

I didn' t like the tunes, either (Thanks Ghormak for opening the path). It' s not bad, but it doesn' t really turn me mad of emotion. I am not saying that the music is bad, or that it won' t appeal anybody. Cameron shouldn' t feel attacked if someone says something bad about the melodies. I didn' t like strawberries either and people seems to love them.


Huw, I don' t know if you hae a personal matter with Helm... He has a particular way of posting, I admitt it...
I must sometimes remember who he is in person, and how would "sound" that sentence he has written, if told by him, "live", to understand the criticism and see how lack of wickedness the sentence really is.

I am really open to discuss about if he, DGMacPhee, or myself included, should relax a bit when posting. I do. I don' t really care about "hard posting", because after some bad experiences, I learned to realise that people is not so harsh as sounds when posing, and 99% of the times bitter arguings are just missunderstandings.

But if some "soft" members like you want me to post in a more moderate way, I am open to discuss about it.

But not because of this stupidity. If I am in a jury, and I know I am judging a criminal who has avoided jail before because he had good lawyers, I am not going to imprison him now if, for once, he is innocent. Dud round, my friend.