on the feeding of trolls...

[Icey]

I take peoples advice. To me 3 years is short compared to most here, The only way at times it seems for me to "fit in" is by not saying anything. But whats the point of trying to make a game if I don't talk.

I can't ask for help, and I cant announce it.

[m0ds]

Well Darth you see now YOU fed teh troll by giving it more to talk about :  

I agree with Wham - you've got to draw the line on leniency towards these type of people sometime. And if they're not going to take friendly advice after so long, they should be kicked from the forums for a while. Good people leave early because dicks arrive here, and some of TPTB just shrug it off, "Oh, he'll change I'm sure."

They may not be around today, but there's no denying our abuse, advice and mild tolerance of former trolls DID improve in most cases who they were and the way they interacted with the community.

Troll threads let those of us who never normally let off steam here....let off some steam. There is no rant forum. And I'm sure behind all the mild mannered posts round here there are times people just want to rant. I know I do And any "trolls" can sometimes be interesting psychological cases - like this current one - pity and curiosity overshadow the fact advice/insult might be troll food. People CAN change their approach to internet forums, and if they can't, in our case - we've been able to wipe the slate clean of them. But rest assured until something a little more drastic is done then yes this one will probably be about for tooooo long 

[Stee]

That rolf guy sounds pretty awesome. It's like Yoda has got involved in the drug scene and become addicted. A few years later he is homeless and spends his time between begging, getting his fix, and posting his drug induced wisdom on the forums.

Unfortunately it's very rare someone understands him and so he finds it rare that he has the loose change to spend in the internet cafe. Hence his unfortunate absence from the community.

Either that or he works in a call centre for a large multinational company and they train him to speak that way.


^^ See any troll can be made interesting when you give them a good back story.

[Darth Mandarb]

Well Darth you see now YOU fed teh troll by giving it more to talk about : 

Believe me my friend ... I am well aware   It's why I debated the post in the first place!

They may not be around today, but there's no denying our abuse, advice and mild tolerance of former trolls DID improve in most cases who they were and the way they interacted with the community.

I think those that improve aren't really trolls though ... just nuisances (at first).  With a little cajoling they 'see the light' and come 'round to a semblance of proper behavior (as defined by the community).  I mean I certainly bumped heads with a lot of people when I first started posting here ... then I got a 'feel' for the place and learned how to coexist.

A perfect example of trolling behavior (to my mind) would be for a person to post in this thread making a statement about me calling them a troll when I, in fact, never called any specific person a troll.

[Khris]

Interesting point ... so if you can tell the poster is only posting as they are because they are immature it becomes non-trolling to you?  I'm not being confrontational, just genuinely curious because to my mind troll-posting is troll-posting regardless of intent/cause.  I might extend a little lee-way in the case of immaturity but if the behavior continued endlessly at some point isn't enough enough?

I'd say regardless whether it constitutes trolling or not, the important thing is the proper reaction towards the exhibited behavior. You're basically saying: leave the retard in a ditch if they didn't learn table manners after trying for months.
I wish I had an answer; I'm torn between agreeing and pointing out that he's still too retarded to understand why he's annoying or why he can't empty the barbecue sauce all over the table.
I'll take solace in the fact that one day, "unaware trolls", if you will, will look back and cringe when remembering what they used to do. At least in our special case here, the belated embarrassment is amplified by the number of people involved.

[Dualnames]

And then there was Ashen, ah, the glorious days, when people were more awesome and brave and friendly and thinking less of themselves, ecc ecc.

Then again, I never made any sense, so feel free to tear my post apart if it makes your day.

Serious bit

I used to spell and format a sentence, in a far more peculiar way than icey is, my first posts are widely considered masterpieces. And yeah, I was "attacked", and at times being joked at, made fun of, ignored ecc. But this happens, AGS forums was one, if not, the first forum I signed up for.

And perhaps my initial goal is quite abandoned(making a MI game (a good one)) but there are things I learned in the process, and mostly the company was good.

And yeah, some people really hated the stickam topic, but stickamites just used that topic for links.

When I first joined the IRC channel was quite in the mortuary, now it's alive and full of people (the level of discussion is still low though).

And yeah, some of you were harsh to me, for the right and the wrong reasons, with the right and the wrong way, but meeting some of you was worth it in the long run.

And yeah, I'm usually just posting worthless stuff, but this forum used to be worthless stuff. And shit, who am I to speak, but seriously just let it be.

To trolls, keep trolling as much as possible!!
To normal people, be goddamn normal, different isn't for you!!
To people acting high and mighty, stop it, start being friendly!!
To weird people, stop wanting to be normal, you're so damn freaky!!
To lurkers, stop posting your first post, it's annoying and nobody cares!!
To all my AGS friends, I salute you!

DUALNAMES SALUTES

[Jim Reed]

I think you should just follow your inner moderator sense of trollish behaviour and if it says the person in question is a troll, you should stomp his ass out of existence. If someone disagrees with your judgement, just pounce on him too. I mean, who cares about fairness when oranges taste so good? =)

[Icey]

I think you should just follow your inner moderator sense of trollish behaviour and if it says the person in question is a troll, you should stomp his ass out of existence. If someone disagrees with your judgement, just pounce on him too. I mean, who cares about fairness when oranges taste so good? =)

What kind of advice is hat? If every new person that comes to the forum and is seen as a troll in darth's eyes, you wan't him to just attack them? That's not friendly. The forum would stop get new knew members who could have been the ones to make really good games.

@Dualnames:I agree with what you said.


@darth: I can see that you wasn't saying icey or studio3. But when I read through the post I things that are similar to me. I am not stupid, I can read.

People keep calling me a troll, people keep saying stuff like feeding the troll. All I am doing is defending my self.
And if defending my self is being a troll, if you respond to this or any other "trolls" post in defense then I wounder if that makes you a troll?

 

[Jim Reed]

Please, man, just roll up in a ball and die.

[Snarky]

What kind of advice is hat?

Facetious advice, I would imagine.

@darth: I can see that you wasn't saying icey or studio3. But when I read through the post I things that are similar to me. I am not stupid, I can read.

I'm with icey on this one. You didn't mention any names explicitly, but we all knew who you meant.

I haven't given the question deep study or anything, but I get the impression that he's basically a well-meaning kid, and I sort of admire his persistence and gradual progress. As for the general nonsense, twaddle and mangled English, it's more amusing than frustrating to me. So icey, you're welcome here as far as I'm concerned!

Besides, every community needs one member who's at the bottom of the pecking order, that others can make fun of. At least while icey's around, I can be fairly confident that it isn't me.

[Atelier]

Arsenic, mint cornettos, trolls. They're all the same. Each one can kill you if you've had too much.

My point being that recently, just the last few days even, icey has been making more threads/posts than usual. And I think this is what really ticks people off (including me sometimes) because recently his threads are at every turn and the other sections become ghost towns because of it. If it was only the occasional psychotic thread, nobody would mind. It's when the activity becomes more erratic that people notice.

Then again you can please some of the people all of the time, but not all the people some of the time...

I think that's right.

[Igor Hardy]

My point being that recently, just the last few days even, icey has been making more threads/posts than usual. And I think this is what really ticks people off (including me sometimes) because recently his threads are at every turn and the other sections become ghost towns because of it. If it was only the occasional psychotic thread, nobody would mind. It's when the activity becomes more erratic that people notice.

I don't like when that happens too, but if people enjoy participating in icey's threads more than in the others (and it sometimes seems that way), then it's their choice/fault, not icey's.

[Stee]

I think you should just follow your inner moderator sense of trollish behaviour and if it says the person in question is a troll, you should stomp his ass out of existence. If someone disagrees with your judgement, just pounce on him too. I mean, who cares about fairness when oranges taste so good? =)

What kind of advice is hat? If every new person that comes to the forum and is seen as a troll in darth's eyes, you wan't him to just attack them? That's not friendly. The forum would stop get new knew members who could have been the ones to make really good games.

I think the point to be made here is that he is called Darth Mandarb. Not Luke Mandarb, Qui Gon Mandarb, Han Mandarb, Mandarbacca, Obi Wan KaMandarb or even Princess Mandarb (I hope). He is Darth Mandarb a member of the Sith. I don't remember anything about friendly Siths.

[Tuomas]

I think you should just follow your inner moderator sense of trollish behaviour and if it says the person in question is a troll, you should stomp his ass out of existence. If someone disagrees with your judgement, just pounce on him too. I mean, who cares about fairness when oranges taste so good? =)

What kind of advice is hat? If every new person that comes to the forum and is seen as a troll in darth's eyes, you wan't him to just attack them? That's not friendly. The forum would stop get new knew members who could have been the ones to make really good games.

I think the point to be made here is that he is called Darth Mandarb. Not Luke Mandarb, Qui Gon Mandarb, Han Mandarb, Mandarbacca, Obi Wan KaMandarb or even Princess Mandarb (I hope). He is Darth Mandarb a member of the Sith. I don't remember anything about friendly Siths.

Of course you don't, it all happened in the future Still, if a troll (hate this word) comes and makes a game, I've no problem. If he/she is entertaining, I like it. Makes me want to touch myself.

[Diath]

This is why I never signed up and posted on the forums until many years later. Gave myself some time to grow up 

[Darth Mandarb]

I'm with icey on this one. You didn't mention any names explicitly, but we all knew who you meant.

So I didn't mention anybody's name, yet you all [think you] knew who I was talking about?

I wonder why that is?

[Calin Leafshade]

IT WAS ACTUALLY ME!

Cheese anyone?

Discuss

[Tuomas]

No, don't discuss, do not feed the troll!

...oops

I don't remember anyone being accused of trolling about in a looong while except for icey here, so I suppose it's pretty easy make the assumption that he's the "real" subject of this thread.

[monkey0506]

So what if Darth meant icey or Calin or Dual or CJ or me? What difference does it make? He was expressing an opinion. His opinion. Not mine. Not yours. Not CJ's. His.

He didn't lash out and start flaming anyone. He just posted his thoughts and opinions about certain types of behaviour. I think we've all had our own troll moments (like when I was seriously going to go and use AGAST after spending months learning to use AGS). If you're that bothered by Darth's post write it off as his troll moment. And stop feeding his troll moment! With every letter you type he only grows stronger!!

As for whether or not icey's behaviour is trollish, this is my opinion.

He says he's been here three years, but insists that this is not a long enough time for him to learn some basic AGS forum/community ettiquette. I say that's a blatant troll-lie.

He has made games with AGS, but it's almost reminiscent of when I copied the HTML of a LucasArts Press Release to create a fake Monkey Island 5 Press Release. Blatant theft and copyright infringement abounded, and not many people thought it was that funny. Copyright infringement isn't trollish, but throwing a fit anytime someone mentions it is.

Claiming that your inability to type, use proper grammar (or even something that remotely resembles proper grammar), use real words, use the correct words, use correct punctuation ("wan't", really?), and so forth is entirely the fault of your hardware is a blatant lie. Whether trollish or just immaturity is hard to say, but a lie nevertheless.

I'm typing all this on a 2 1/2" screen on my phone, so I feel I can speak with some authority there.

Giving this behaviour a pass because of his stated age of 16 is very feeding-the-troll-ish. I joined when I was 15 after lurking and guest-posting for several months. I've had troll moments, but never do I recall one that remotely comes close to the behaviour of icey here.

Bear in mind this is my opinion. You can have your own, hell, you can have an opinion about my opinion, but this opinion is mine.

Do I feel icey is a solely dedicated malicious troll? No.

Do I feel icey has exhibited, and indeed still is exhibiting very trollish behaviour? Very much so, yes.

[Icey]

Ok, hows about this. You tell me what exactly you wan't me to change & I will see what I can do? If you still don't like the change then screw it. This is the second time I am asking "why do people have problems with me". Fell free to say to state your opinion in any way.

P.S I only made two recent post that I guess you are saying get's more attention.
1) I asked if it was possible to play AGS games on the wii. Because I know it's possible with linux & the iphone.
2)I showed an example of something I made/edited and said it was available to those who wan't to use it.