Parental advisory stickers

[Paper Carnival]

I don't mind hearing swearing, or even using it, up to a point. But when it comes to music I just don't like it. No I'm not the kind of person who says swearing in music corrupts the youth or something and would probably still listen to it if it was really good...

Anyway, good luck with that . Why don't you post a song or something in Critics Lounge so we can critic it?

[ManicMatt]

MillsJROSS: Sin city was allowed??! That's just nuts! Did they enjoy the scene where that guy that plays Frodo, Elijah wood or something is tied to the tree and you know what I'm talking about? That freaked ME out! Mainly 'cos of the expression on his face. Creepy.

Erenan: Hmmm I was referring to a person being wimpy when they are shocked to hear a swear word even though they're exposed to these words every single day unless they live a sheltered life with no TV. I would only agree with you if the swearing was used obsessively, in every other sentence, almost as if they needed to stretch the line out to fit in that segment of the song so they just add a swear word in there. Other wise, the band Everclear had never swore in a song until they released one album with the words in one song "I'm all f*cked up" in which they felt the word was necessary to describe themselves. If he was singing "I'm all messed up" instead, it sounds flat and nowhere near as bad. I myself don't swear unless I feel it's called for, as I would if I was talking to someone in real life, only swearing when I feel I really should, or get really angry. I just looked at my lyrics for this album and I only swear on the one song. (Unless you count "shit" as a swear word but to me it's not very offensive.)

Guybrush Peepwood: Critics lounge? hehe thanks but I've already gone through final mixing and everything so I consider it finished!

I'll be sure to let everyone know when my new music is up - and my friend just called a moment ago and informed me he's just emailed the final drawings to me! Yay I can finish the artwork! I could always put some of that in critics lounge.

[Alynn]

Well see that's the double standard, especially in the USA.

Nudity is bad, but violent death is OK.

People flipped out when that whole Janet Jackson/Super Bowl fiasco...

Woopie, we saw an old black ladies boob...

I view "bad" words as just words, there is no right or wrong in them... After all, why is the word shit wrong, but calling the same thing (either verb or noun) poop, poo, or crap okay? Why is peeing, or weeing fine, but pissing bad?

Fuck, which has sexual connotations depending on the usage (it is quite the versitle word, no) is the only word I censor myself with, and only if it's used in the sexual meaning.

My daughter who is 8, knows the words, because both my wife and I use those words. She also understands that those words are "adult words" which only adults can use. She also understands that using those words around other adults that aren't us (she is allowed in certain occasions, such as singing along to the Bloodhound Gang's song Fire Water Burn) will give her dirty looks and possibly punishment.

What I don't really like is her watching overly violent movies, and openly sexual movies (sexual humor and the like). Being military, I've witnessed some horrific violence first hand. She doesn't need to see it at 8 years old, she also has an idea of what sex is, she knows about the birds and the bees (her baby brother being made helped push that issue into the light) but I really don't want her watching anything with blatant sexual tones in it. Same reason she isn't allowed to play any games that have a M rating.

Why do I censor my daughter like this? Simple, she isn't ready for it. About 6 months ago we were going to watch some gorey movie. She wanted to watch, we said no... she insisted, we said no, she started to become annoying and whiney, so we said fine, but we are not responsible for whatever...

She watched the movie, then for the next week didn't want to go to bed by herself, wanted to sleep with us, wanted to keep her bedroom light on, or her television on. To which we said no, we told you, you didn't listen, now live with the concequences. By this I know she isn't ready to deal with mature themes and ultraviolence. Maybe in a year or two...

However on the topic of the stickers... I view them as I view Television, Video Game, and Movie ratings, devices to help parents make educated decisions on what they allow their children to have and use (listen, watch, or play). I'd much rather have to have a sticker on my uncensored album, than no sticker on a censored album.

[SSH]

Heh, my daughter self-censors...

Whenever any TV programme has any form of peril (in her case, she doesn't even like "the bad guy" appearing on screen at all, even if he's not doing anything) she says "I think I've been watching too much TV, can we turn it off?"

Strangely, she doesn't mind it so much if we read her a story. So she can't watch Cinderella, as she gets upset whenever the stepmother or steopsisters appear, but she can listen to the story quite happily.

I think at 3 and half years old she's not quite ready to see The Omen, or Basic Instinct...

[PsychicHeart]

Just my little way of the saying the world has gone politically correct mad in terms of censorship.
As the mass of members know, i am only 13 and a half years of age.
If a movie, tv show, or song slips in a swear, the world literally goes in a twist.
The problem with mass censorship of a single word, be it "fuck",
"bitch", or likewise is that kids as young as 9 can still access the material.
As for your question ManicMatt, i personally think you should screw it and don't worry about a sticker.
The main reason is, the central world does not care so much about a curse word as it does about something to the same extent, yet of a different media form.
Take the case of the GTA:SA Hot Coffee Mod.
Soccer mothers, and old lawyers alike were in an uproar.
Because, after all, they only expected gang violence, the theft of cars and business, murder of innocent civilians and the constant
use of the words "fuck","shit", "nigga" and the like, but a sex scene? My god.
I could go on like this for a while, but i think i'll post this before i start writing up hit-lists for the censorship quarters of the RIAA.
Cheers,
Fluke.

[Erenan]

Using swear words is open-mindedness?

Frankly, I'm disappointed that people seem to think that open-mindedness means approving of people being allowed to do whatever they want to do. Don't get me wrong. I don't think we need to abolish the use of linguistic profanity, but let's make sure we understand the definition of "open-mindedness," all right?

[PsychicHeart]

Using swear words is open-mindedness?

No, of course not.
I am referring to the subject matter of some songs, which have "adult themes" because they talk about a war in Iraq.
Yeah, yeah it is kind of irrelevant but it relates to the direct term of "censorship", and IMO how political correctness has gone crazy.

[Hammerite]

adding to fluke's PC GONE KERAZZY argument, in England, there was an episode of a TV show that was taken off the air because the bad guy was played by an asian. and the big screens in birmingham are showing all the world cup matches except for england's because doing that could 'upset other races'.

[Becky]

You're confusing actual censorship with a Parental Advisory sticker.

[lo_res_man]

I don't like gratuitous violence swearing or sex in movies, but I am quite willing to put up with it if it fits the story. For example, as a young lad of 12, I saw a movie where this Irish family got sent to prison for bombing a restaurant, but they didn't do it. it had Ben Kingsly in it and any way there was a LOT of swearing quite a bit of violence, and a bit of nudity, but for the movie it made SENSE, they were in a prison, it made SENSE for those items to be in there. On the other hand I have seen movies where they added swearing violence and sex just to make money, and I found that distasteful. If it fits the world of the movie, fine. If its a money grab, I hate it.
*EDIT* Darn me and mine bad spelling

[Phemar]

What is sence?

[lo_res_man]

What is sence?

see above post, modified for misspellings

[Babar]

Swearing violence and sex makes more money? How does one swear violence?

For some weird reason, when I was a kid, I never noticed swearing in movies or songs. My mind would just blank out those words. However, if I watched/listened to the swearing after I found out what the word meant, I'd notice it.

Also, while I never believed that babies came from storks or something like that, I couldn't really figure out why two people would get naked in bed.
Me: "Why?"
Parent: "Because it's hot!"
Me:"But they've got blankets over them anyway!"
Parent:"The AC is on. They must be cold"
Me:"But.....they're naked!"

And when I asked what virgins were, my parents got all flustered and started explaining about versions.

[skyfire2]

One of the biggest problems I find in a lot of things of this nature. Is they're adamant about one thing, but blind to another. For instance, I was on a bus and brought the movie, Kentuck Fried Movie, to watch. Now this bus-ride was fourteen hours, and we're all of us college students. This movie has some nudity...which I had forgot about when I brought it, but they made me take it off immediatly. OK, fine...if you're scared people are going to be offended, I can live with that. It's the fact that they replaced the movie with Sin City. So it's fine if we show people getting killed, but god forbid a tit is shown on screen!

um, did you even watch the movie or did you just cover your eyes during the "bad parts"? sin city's man characters are prostitutes and the movie has scenes of prostitutes having sex (not to mention the movie has lots of bare titts). i think the real reason why they switched movies is because kentucky fried movie sucks ass compared to sin city.

to the op, fuck parentel advisory!

[MillsJROSS]

i think the real reason why they switched movies is because kentucky fried movie sucks ass compared to sin city.

That's like comparing apples to oranges. Those movies are in no way in the same genre, and will naturally appeal to different people. And the choice to take it off the screen wasn't made by the whole bus, it was made by one person in charge, who didn't want to get in trouble for showing nudity. Sin City's nudity is almost non-existent, comparatively.

um, did you even watch the movie or did you just cover your eyes during the "bad parts"? sin city's man characters are prostitutes and the movie has scenes of prostitutes having sex (not to mention the movie has lots of bare titts).

Covering my eyes probably would have been the best thing to do. I didn't enjoy the movie.

I think the general trend here is that those of a younger age who are actually affected by parental stickers, are more prone to be against it. Of course, when the younger generation write things like "to the op, fuck parentel advisory!" you can't much value their oppinion.

-MillsJROSS

[Nine Toes]

EDIT: Nevermind.

[voh]

Am I the only one who loves those stickers?

[Exorph]

I see no reason why the stickers should be used.
Yeah, it helps the parents decide what to buy, but it's still forcing putting a big ugly sticker on art that wasn't made with said sticker in mind.
I mean, what if we started putting those stickers on paintings featuring bare  breasts or something.. hopefully most people would find that to be insane.. although I realize that the comparison is far from perfect.
I just think it should be up to the artist to decide what to show and not to show.

[lo_res_man]

But is a commercial musician, who has a contract and makes oodles of money doing hack work, (99.9% percent of music) an "artist"?

[MashPotato]

I mean, what if we started putting those stickers on paintings featuring bareÃ,  breasts or something.. hopefully most people would find that to be insane.. although I realize that the comparison is far from perfect.

Like you said, I don't think that's a good comparison... putting stickers on works of art would be censorship because you would be interfering with the artwork itself, while putting a sticker on a CD is putting a warning on the packaging for the artwork. 

For example, I would have a problem if a gallery covered up nudity in paintings, but I wouldn't care if they posted a sign outside the exhibit stating that the exhibit contains nudity.  While I don't think a warning is necessary, I have no problem with them informing people who may have a problem with it.  The art itself is unaffected by a warning.

Yes, the cover on a CD may be art, but it's not the main product, and if it's just a sticker you can remove it later (I agree it shouldn't be printed on the cover itself).  I think the sticker could go on the back, too, so that the cover art is unchanged.