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Title: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Meowster on Wed 01/08/2007 15:59:12
http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/07/resident_evil_5.html

Stupid stupid woman.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: vict0r on Wed 01/08/2007 16:03:42
What the hell? They aren't supposed to be Zombies.. They are zombies! Most, if not all, of the zombies in the other games were white, damnit!

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Post by: evenwolf on Wed 01/08/2007 16:06:01
lol, all this "white power" stuff directed at the japanese.
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Post by: deadsuperhero on Wed 01/08/2007 16:07:02
Well, if it is racist, I'll be able to play it with KILLER graphics.
People are just so ridiculous sometimes. Nobody had a problem when you played as a black guy in Resident Evil: OutBreak and killed white zombies.
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Post by: vict0r on Wed 01/08/2007 16:08:16
I say kill those racist niggers!
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Post by: big brother on Wed 01/08/2007 16:08:56
What no one suspects is that in the end of the game, you find out that they weren't zombies all along. They just had AIDS!
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Post by: Chicky on Wed 01/08/2007 16:30:37
Looks bloody amazing.
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Post by: Stupot on Wed 01/08/2007 17:32:03
Whats wrong with having black zombies?
They can't steal you bike when they're undead.
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Post by: ildu on Wed 01/08/2007 17:42:51
My only problem with this game is that it stars another generic-looking male model as the protagonist. Give 'em some character, whydoncha?
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Post by: Stupot on Wed 01/08/2007 17:53:43
That's Chris Redfield.  The same generic-looking male model from the very first game.
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Post by: Darth Mandarb on Wed 01/08/2007 19:39:51
Totally unrealistic and racist.

As anybody with a brain-stem knows; ALL africans are white.

Duh?
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Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Wed 01/08/2007 21:45:04
What I find most amusing is that to have a game of this magnitude in such a landscape, such a real place, apparently depicted as quite realistic (from what I saw of the trailer, and not counting the "zombie" part) and in such a time where the american military occupation of Iraq is still a sore point for pretty much everyone, is quite the concept. Not unique, not revolutionary, but new, in a way.

And of course, it makes bloody sense that the zombies are *black*. Duh, it happens in Africa.

Whatever happened to the author's right to tell a story?

PS - Funny thing is, just today I started talking with a friend of mine about adventure games (she loves them, I had no idea, so it was quite the conversation, though she still missed out on Grim Fandango and Gabriel Knight, quite a shame), and she told me a bit about "And Then There Were None". Which of course made me tell her it referred to the "new" version of the book, the one with the indians, and that the original book was called "Ten Little Niggers", and the rhyme DID go "Ten little niggers went out to dine / One choked(sp?) himself and then there were nine". And it pisses me off that the rhyme and the title had to be changed because of what I can only see as political-correctness. It seems as absurd as making a "censored" version of the Titanic film where they put a digital corset over the actress when she's posing nude for the picture.

They did, you know. Make that censored version.

EDIT - Wow. I tend to blab more than I thought - say less than I intended in many more words, and in a rather confusing way.

Joy!
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: space boy on Wed 01/08/2007 22:08:42
Quote from: Rui "Trovatore" Pires on Wed 01/08/2007 21:45:04
It seems as absurd as making a "censored" version of the Titanic film where they put a digital corset over the actress when she's posing nude for the picture.

They did, you know. Make that censored version.

They probably just wanted to bring it closer to james camerons "original vision".
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: HillBilly on Thu 02/08/2007 00:30:54
Somebody once made a comic book about the Jeffrey Dahmer killings: one of the victims' sister was really pissed about it, because she was drawn white and skinny, when she was black and fat.

Even though racism is a hideous thing, there are certain situations when drawing the race card does more bad than good, or just seem plain silly. Like with RE5.
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Post by: Vince Twelve on Thu 02/08/2007 01:35:44
Perhaps all violent games need an option at the beginning where you choose your race.  Then, in the game, you play someone of your race killing only people of your race.  No one could call that racist.  Sexist, however...

Ok, add a gender option too...

And you know the plot of this game is going to be about how the evil Umbrella corporation is doing illegal zombie pharmaceutical testing in Africa, making the greedy white westerners the real enemy anyways.

Side note: hot damn, that trailer looks awesome!
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Post by: Mr Flibble on Thu 02/08/2007 01:52:36
I'm glad that people commenting on the "article" are pointing out it's obvious flaws instead of being all "Right on, everything is evil". Apparently idiocy isn't as contagious as I had feared  :D
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Post by: monkey0506 on Thu 02/08/2007 06:10:02
You would think that the fact that this is the fifth sixth(?) game in the series would get the point across that this isn't necessarily an original idea. New location, new objectives, etc., but essentially the same game. With better graphics.

So to say that the game is racist simply because it depicts "black zombies" as the antagonist of the story is completely absurd. The author had no problem saying that "ALL zombies should be white (http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/07/resident_evil_5.html#comment-62630)." She later said (http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/07/resident_evil_5.html#comment-62764) that, "[She] do[es] find the images of violence against Black people to be problematic even if those Black people are supposed to be zombies or whatever."

The author takes the stand that any violence portrayed against the black race is to be considered racism, no matter the cause for the violence. Police brutality or self defense? Either way, it's gotta be racism. She has no problem if the violence is portrayed against the white race; apparently it's then okay.

In the original blog she wrote, "Start them young… fearing, hating, and destroying Black people." The fact that there were prior games in which the players where engaged in killing the white zombies wasn't mentioned. But does this mean that our young are also supposed to fear, hate, and destroy the white people? Or...and this may be a stretch...perhaps the link between the fear, hate, and destruction isn't that these "bad-guys" are "people"...they are ZOMBIES. Perhaps (and pardon me if this is too much for you to comprehend) we're not training our youth against people but rather against the impending zombie invasion.

In short this is simply another prime example of "crying racism." The author has used propaganda and racism to denounce the evils of racism. On her behalf she did link (http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/runninscared/archives/2007/07/zombies_in_afri.php) one equally notable source...because obviously depicting the African people as we have been lead to believe they are (malnourished and therefore likely candidates for zombie-ism) can only be taken for what it really is...pure unadulterated racism. Which can only be undone by replacing these sickly black zombies with rich, healthy white zombies (which clearly seeing as they are white means it would then be impossible for anyone to even consider using the word "racist" (unless of course these white zombies attack an innocent black non-zombie)).
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Post by: Vince Twelve on Thu 02/08/2007 06:34:17
"Start them young… fearing, hating, and destroying Black people."

If you replace "Black people" with "zombies" it stops sounding racist, and starts sounding prudent!
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Post by: monkey0506 on Thu 02/08/2007 07:07:13
And of course if you simply replace "black" with "white": "Start them young... fearing, hating, and destroying White people." it them becomes reparations. :=
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Post by: Pesty on Thu 02/08/2007 07:09:20
Quote from: Vince Twelve on Thu 02/08/2007 06:34:17
"Start them young… fearing, hating, and destroying Black people."

If you replace "Black people" with "zombies" it stops sounding racist, and starts sounding prudent!

I know that if I ever have kids, they'll be started at an early age to be prepared for a zombie invasion. No child of mine is going to go down without a fight when the undead attack!

Also, I have nothing to say about that article that doesn't turn into uncontrollable laughter. People like that woman are ridiculous and love to use their race as a crutch whenever they see something they don't like. Everything is racism when you're used to getting your way by playing the vic-hahahahahahahahaha see there I go!
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Post by: ManicMatt on Thu 02/08/2007 09:16:35
There's only one solution to avoid people calling any games racist! Make ALL the characters in the game white! Nothing else! Ah, but then they'd be considered racist for not including black people or whoever.. argh!! Basically, it doesnt matter what you do, someone will moan. Sigh..
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Post by: HillBilly on Thu 02/08/2007 09:33:11
Quote from: ManicMatt on Thu 02/08/2007 09:16:35
There's only one solution to avoid people calling any games racist! Make ALL the characters in the game white! Nothing else! Ah, but then they'd be considered racist for not including black people or whoever.. argh!! Basically, it doesnt matter what you do, someone will moan. Sigh..

no dude you just make the people you're killing white.

when will the white man be free for this kind of gruesome discrimination in videogames? will we ever be able to live normal lives again?
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Post by: Gilbert on Thu 02/08/2007 09:38:07
Simple, don't use people or even living organisms in games. Alternatively, make the skins of all people palette-animated rainbow coloured.

Putting these two great ideas together, we have teh ultimate Bio Hazard 5:

A square with rainbow colours flowing from the bottom to the top shooting a horde of triangles with rainbow colours flowing from the top to the bottom.

Unless you're still not satisfied and point out that this game is still EXTREMELY racist because:
1. You are discriminating the triangles! Why must triangles be black bad?
2. Hey! You didn't include the circles, the pentagons, heptagons, isowhateverblablablahexablagons!
3. Why would the palette-animation flowing from the top to the bottom be bad?
4. Hey! You didn't include palette animation where the colours flow horizontally, at 45 degrees diagonally, at 37.3333233 degrees, etc.




So the best solution is, let us all be nice and BAN ALL GAMES.
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Post by: Hammerite on Thu 02/08/2007 10:58:41
I didn't see any black people on my way to the paper shop.
My local area is racially out-of-proportion.
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Post by: Krysis on Thu 02/08/2007 11:00:30
I feel sorry for the white guy in the game... Hordes of zombies attack him, but he can't fight back... Because if he shoots them, he'd be considered racist.  

Another thing... don't you, guys, feel you are a little racist against Zombies? They are people too.
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Post by: Harvester on Thu 02/08/2007 11:24:31
Black looks? Isn't that like TOTALLY racist? Shouldn't it be African-American looks or whatever?
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Post by: HillBilly on Thu 02/08/2007 13:59:26
Quote from: Harvester on Thu 02/08/2007 11:24:31
Black looks? Isn't that like TOTALLY racist? Shouldn't it be African-American looks or whatever?

I don't think Africans in Africa counts as African-Americans.
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Post by: Darth Mandarb on Thu 02/08/2007 16:32:17
Quote from: HillBilly on Thu 02/08/2007 13:59:26I don't think Africans in Africa counts as African-Americans.

Everybody wants to be an American ... and white.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Afflict on Thu 02/08/2007 17:46:07
Dont want to be an American Idiot  ::)

I think the person that wrote the post is a racist :P (Not the AGS one the crappy one on the blog)
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Post by: ManicMatt on Thu 02/08/2007 21:50:05
I was forced to pull my game Secrets from the net after an outcry about the bit where the white lead character kills a black guy. Good thing Limbo stars a black guy! He can freely kill god himself without fear of reprisal! Ah wait.. the church... maybe not.

Oh wait! My games are too low key to be noticed! Phew!
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Post by: buloght on Thu 02/08/2007 22:27:19
Quote from: Afflict on Thu 02/08/2007 17:46:07
Dont want to be an American Idiot  ::)

I think the person that wrote the post is a racist :P (Not the AGS one the crappy one on the blog)

haha, yes she is, cause what if black people want to be zombies. :D game looks pretty awesome.
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Post by: LimpingFish on Thu 02/08/2007 23:04:26
If RE 5 was set in Sweden, then all the zombies would be swedish. If it was set in Antartica, then the zombies would possibly be penguins.

But it isn't, it's set in Africa. And, if I'm not mistaken,  Africa is full of african people. I don't think Capcom has any ulterior motives towards the indiginous populace of Africa. I suppose they could've set it in Africa, but filled it with white people. Better?

They could set it in Ireland, and have paddy-whackery zombies ("P'tatoesssssssss"). Or Wales and taff zombies. Hooray!

The "start them young" line is an extremely ignorant generalization, and (once again) implies that white people are largely racist, pig-f*ckers.

Shame on this woman.

Note to Capcom: Swedish zombies would be awesmoe! "Brainsssssssss...börk, börk!" Do it!
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: monkey0506 on Fri 03/08/2007 02:55:35
Quote from: HillBilly on Thu 02/08/2007 13:59:26
Quote from: Harvester on Thu 02/08/2007 11:24:31
Black looks? Isn't that like TOTALLY racist? Shouldn't it be African-American looks or whatever?

I don't think Africans in Africa counts as African-Americans.

That's right...Africans in Africa are referred to as "African Africans". :P

Quote from: LimpingFish on Thu 02/08/2007 23:04:26But it isn't, it's set in Africa. And, if I'm not mistaken,  Africa is full of african people. I don't think Capcom has any ulterior motives towards the indiginous populace of Africa. I suppose they could've set it in Africa, but filled it with white people. Better?

Sure, they could have set it solely in South Africa, which it's always been my understanding is British-infested and therefore predominately white. Of course I've never been to South Africa or actually seen any statistics so this could be complete bullocks.

But back to the "African-American" bit. I never got the part about calling "black" people "black" being a point of racism. It's now incorrect to use this terminology as it can possibly be used in a derogatory way (i.e., "black jokes"; no way you'd ever hear somebody say, "so a white guy, a Chinese man, and an African-American walk into a bar..."). Basically it seems to me this is just furthers the problem. If we just bow down to them every time they whine about something we'll never be able to move past this.

I'm not saying we should revert to the "n-word" which has almost always been considered a derogatory term when used by "the white man" (even when it was okay to say it, it was still often used to mean someone less than human). However it is ironic that it's perfectly fine for them to use it. But when our usage of the term "black" to refer to their race becomes taboo, I think things are getting a bit out of hand. Although on that note it is still also acceptable for them to refer to themselves as blacks (see BET: Black Entertainment Television; Starz Black: A channel devoted to celebrating Hollywood's "black" actors and actresses; etc.).

It becomes racist when uttered from the mouth of the demonic white man though..."How dare you call me black! My skin may be darker than that permanent marker in your hand but you have no right!"

I think we should reverse the process. Which brings up an interesting phrase I've heard tossed around: "reverse racism." Generally I've heard the phrase used to mean "discrimination against white people." Since when have the phrases "discrimination" and "racism" become exclusive to the blacks African-Americans descendants of native Africans?

But getting back to my point, perhaps as a "white man" I should start screaming racism myself. "What? You can't call me white! That's racist!" :P
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Post by: Vince Twelve on Fri 03/08/2007 03:10:37
QuoteSure, they could have set it solely in South Africa, which it's always been my understanding is British-infested and therefore predominately white. Of course I've never been to South Africa or actually seen any statistics so this could be complete bullocks.

Bullocks it is.  You are grossly misinformed.  South Africa is only about 10% white.  Have you heard of Apartheid?

And I may be wrong (perhaps it is I who is grossly misinformed) but I don't think the word black is offensive to anyone except for white people who rail for the over application of political correctness.  You are overstating their sensitivity to the word.  It doesn't even appear on the racial slur databse (http://www.rsdb.org/).  There are ways to use the word offensively, but the word itself, when referring to a person of African decent, is not, I believe, offensive.  So you can relax there.

As for the whole, calling "White" a racist term, you first need to show an example of anyone being upset over the use of the word "black" before that becomes an applicable satire.  And even if you do, mocking cultural sensitivities isn't going to do anything to help alleviate them.

Reverse racism does exist, but let's call a spade a spade.  Reverse racism is racism.  You just haven't pointed out any significant instances of it.

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Post by: Stupot on Fri 03/08/2007 03:21:07
Yeh, recently I've been getting funny looks or tuts or "oooh"s from people when I've used the term 'black' to refer to someone who is... errr... black.

Why?

When I was a kid everyone said 'coloured' but that became taboo (and I can understand why, I mean it's not like their skin is made out of the same material as Josephs amazing dreamcoat).  And it seems to me 'black' is a perfectly fine term to use.  I don't think I've ever offended a black guy buy calling him such.

Personally I hate terms like African-American and the like...  It's like if a black person didn't want to offend me by calling me white, so they say call me Anglo-saxon... or worse, Caucasian...  Just call me white... i won't be offended.

It's the people who are too scared to offend, so use terms like coloured thinking they're being PC, who make it uncomfortable for everybody.  Without realising it, they're being more racist because they're the one's making it an issue.
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Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Fri 03/08/2007 09:18:36
Yay, more Chris Redfieldness!  His voice is the only really generic aspect to him so far (It's not even the chris redfield voice from RE1!).  Also, you really shouldn't provide hits for retard websites like this one.
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Post by: monkey0506 on Fri 03/08/2007 10:21:43
Granted I may have gone a bit overboard saying that I should scream discrimination anytime anyone calls me "white." I simply get tired of hearing about stupid crap like this. People need to grow up a bit and learn the difference between racism and just plain mental retardation. 8)
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Post by: Stupot on Fri 03/08/2007 11:02:43
Quote from: ProgZmax on Fri 03/08/2007 09:18:36
Also, you really shouldn't provide hits for retard websites like this one.

[Disclaimer: all views expressed on this forum are the views of the individual and are by no mens the views of Chris Jones,  AGS or BigBlueCup.com]
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Post by: vict0r on Fri 03/08/2007 11:24:25
Here's a fine quote I found. A point that has been made, but what the hell...

Quote
Resident Evil 1 - white people are zombies
Resident Evil 2 - white people are zombies
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis - white people are zombies
Resident Evil Code: Veronica - white people are zombies
Resident Evil Survivor - white people are zombies
Resident Evil Gaiden - white people are zombies
Resident Evil: Survivor 2 Code: Veronica - white people are zombies
Resident Evil Zero - white people are zombies
Resident Evil: Dead Aim - white people are zombies
Resident Evil Outbreak - white people are zombies
Resident Evil Outbreak File #2 - white people are zombies
Resident Evil 4 - white people are zombies
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles - white people are zombies

Resident Evil 5 - ZOMG AFRICANS?! RACISM
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Post by: Darth Mandarb on Fri 03/08/2007 14:45:28
I think that website was just a means to generate traffic.  Nothing brings hits to a website like some controversy!

Of course, it's entirely possible that hag is just incredibly ignorant (racists are).

I too am opposed to terms like "African American" ... whenever I'm refered to as "white" I always reply, "Excuse me?  European-American please."

I want to go downtown (Ft. Lauderdale) and make a call-out for 100 "African Americans".  When I have them all grouped together I will ask them all (one at a time) to name 5 countries in Africa.  My guess would be most would probably think Africa was a country and of the rest most wouldn't be able to name 5 of it's countries.  I don't see what's so wrong with just "American" and being black?

Now before anybody jumps up and calls ol' Darth a racist pig; I know the result would be the same if I collected 100 European-Americans and asked them the same question (or 100 people of any race for that matter).

People are dumb these days.

Maybe a result of life-expectancy going up is IQs going down?
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Post by: Meowster on Fri 03/08/2007 15:07:47
The only way to move past racism is for everybody to stop being so oversensitive to it. The way things are at the moment is ridiculous. Over-sensitivies are drawing attention to an imaginary divide between white and black people. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if people felt awkward or uncomfortable around people of a different colour simple because we're all so fucking afraid of offending each other.

Look at that stupid Emily Parr woman who got kicked off big brother for saying "nigger". She said it in a friendly way, to a friend, no different than people do every day. The black girl didn't even mind - she only decided to draw attention to it later when she realised she could use it to become the next Shilpa Shetty...

Now I understand that there are sensitivities to this word, but unfortunately, people are going to have to get over it. We can't keep tiptoeing around things like this, afraid of offending people. There is a huge difference between screaming at somebody that they are a nigger and using it as an insult, which is racism, and using it on a friendly basis, which is not racism. I used to jokingly greet one of my white friends by saying, "Yo, what up nigga?!???". Clearly I wasn't being racist...

In her post-big brother interview, the interviewer kept interrupting Emily when she was trying to explain why she'd said "nigger", to remind her "That's no excuse though is it?" "but you're not trying to excuse what you did?"  FUCK OFF Davina Maccaul, grow a pair of balls and admit that it really wasn't a big deal! Even worse, the stupid girl apologised so profusely and didn't stick up for herself at all! Never was it mentioned that the black girl had already said "nigger" herself many times, never was it mentioned that it was simply a friendly joke, it was treated as though this girl was an actual racist! She was treated like a racist SHOULD be treated... except she wasn't racist and it was obvious!

Also I share the experience of having people give me uncomfy, unsure looks when I describe somebody as being black. For example, in our company there are about 6 girls, one of which is black. I asked somebody to deliver a message to one of the girls, but they didn't know what she looked like, so I said "she's the black girl that works upstairs." The person looked at me as though I'd just said the most horribly racist thing.

But 6 months ago, there was only one girl working upstairs, and when people asked me who "Jo" was, I would say, "She's the girl that works upstairs". When you're trying to describe somebody, you give their most immediately noticable features, correct? Everybody is going to immediately identify the only girl from a crowd of men. Everybody is going to immediately identify the only black girl in a crowd of white girls. To pretend there's no different in skin colour is not only silly, but it's also downright insulting. If people were afraid of describing me as a white girl in case it offended me, I'd be angry. I'd be angry too that there was some kind of unspoken awkwardness between us just because I had a different skin colour from everyone I worked with, and everybody was pretending not to notice it.

By constantly drawing attention to things like this, and by being so overly sensitive, people are making things a lot worse.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Afflict on Fri 03/08/2007 15:12:19
What's racism?

Cause if it's being against any race then I definitely am against three legged racing it sucks.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Meowster on Fri 03/08/2007 15:13:18
It's where niggas and crackas collide.

Actually the only people I hear screaming RACISM these days is over-sensitive white people panicking that another white person might have offended a non-white person...

(and that one black woman who's whining about RE5 and her 10 year old nephew magically getting a copy of RE4)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: space boy on Fri 03/08/2007 15:23:40
The meaning of words changes. In the polish language the word "kobieta" used to mean whore. Today it simply means woman. Humbug used to be a really strong word. Today it has lost all it's impact.
The same with nigger. If we start to use it in a different context like a synonym for "buddy" the meaning will slowly change. Infact, look at the usage of negro in some spanish speaking countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

I'm not racist. Does typing a certain sequence of letters or saying a certain sequence of sounds, which has no meaning unless you apply one, make me racist? Bullshit. I'm gonna say nigger all i want. Saying that only black people have the exclusive right to say nigger while it's very bad for white people, that is racism. That's artificially enforcing a wall between both races.

Now, which of those two sentences sounds more racist?
"I love my niggers"
"I hate people of african descent"
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Afflict on Fri 03/08/2007 16:43:07
The word nigger is an interesting one.

When A black guy says it to a black guy, no problem. eg: "Sup my nigger?"
When a white guy says "sup my nigger?" It is not taken in the same light as the earlier sentence, why not is it because the white guy is white?

Whose the racist then?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: monkey0506 on Fri 03/08/2007 18:24:25
I once heard a black female comedian talking about this subject...the word "nigger" that is. She had an excellent point: "It only has power because we give it power." She then went on to say that if we start to use the word to mean something good, something that everyone likes, instead of using it to imply that the black race is less than human, we can all move past this one word.

Her suggestion was to start using the word "nigger" to mean "potato chips". "Yeah," she said, "We can have all kinds of niggers! Sour Cream and Onion Niggers, Jalapeno Niggers, Nacho Niggers...yeah...but we won't have no Barbecue Niggers...'cause that just not right."

Like I said, she was a comedian, and using "nigger" to mean "potato chips" probably isn't the greatest idea, but the point is still there. If we stop giving it that power to demean the black race, then we can get over it. Racism will always be there, but if we could rid "nigger" of its derogatory meaning, wouldn't that at least be a step in the right direction?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: space boy on Fri 03/08/2007 18:31:01
Quote from: monkey_05_06 on Fri 03/08/2007 18:24:25
"It only has power because we give it power."

Exactly my point, that woman found the right words.

Quote
Racism will always be there, but if we could rid "nigger" of its derogatory meaning, wouldn't that at least be a step in the right direction?

Well said, my nigger.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: LimpingFish on Fri 03/08/2007 19:10:22
This is why the Golliwog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golliwog) got kicked out of Toy Town.

As, apparently, the best way to educate people over the dangers of racism is to pretend it doesn't exist.

And to sanitize the past.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Mr Jake on Fri 03/08/2007 22:52:49
Personally I agree with this person, and in our modern world I think such a game is disgusting.

And Im shocked that so many people are defending blatent racism.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Nikolas on Fri 03/08/2007 22:54:00
hotspot:

WTF??!?

What racism? All previouds RE games where racistic towards white people?

PS. Trailer looks AWESMOE!
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Fri 03/08/2007 23:56:15
The sarcasm is sticky :)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: CoffeeBob on Sat 04/08/2007 00:35:56
Haha, talk about over-reacting. I could go as far as calling Doom 3 racist for killing potentially friendly demons, but then I'd be sinking even below that womans level..

Reminds me of a situation we had here in Sweden not too long ago, there was this ice-cream GB released called Nogger Black, a liqourice(sp?) variant of the ordinary Nogger, which has been around for a good amount of decades too. I guess it doesn't surprise people that much that a "white", middle-aged woman reported this as offensive, if I recall correctly. I mean, come on..  ::)

EDIT: Oh yeah, there was a bit of discussion regarding another ice-cream that had been around for very long before anyone reacted to it as stupidly as they did, one called the 88'er (roughly translated), which some probably much paranoid people though was a reference to Hitler, as H is the eigth letter in the alphabet, deciphering the ice-cream's "secret code" to HH, like in "Heil Hitler".  :o

Ah, stupidity. Had it not existed, then I would've had nothing to laugh at. ;D
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: space boy on Sat 04/08/2007 01:03:08
Just stumbled across this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/09/AR2007070900609.html
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Sat 04/08/2007 07:07:08
QuoteThe only way to move past racism is for everybody to stop being so oversensitive to it.

And to stop drawing attention to it, as you have with this thread.  I mean your points are interesting but invalidated when you draw in exterior people to a site that's essentially a racist counter-view (whether fake or serious).  You're providing that person with hits, and even if only two or three people here post that the person is stupid that's fuel for the continuing fire.  Don't fuel the fire.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Sat 04/08/2007 14:36:37
I don't think the right path is stop drawing attention to it.  If this person who wrote that article seriously believes the ignorance she's peddling then she must be educated.  If we "ignore" it the problem will just continue on.  Now, in the case of this website linked to in this thread, I believe ignoring it IS the right path because, as I stated earlier, this seems like an intentionally designed controversy generated to bring hits to her/their website.

I have been saying for years that the word "nigger" is just a string of letters like any other word.  The only reason it continues to have "power" is because people react to it.  It's like we're all 10 year olds on the playground crying 'cause somebody calls you a poo-poo head.

It's a word.  Nothing else.

I love it when I hear the excuse, "but you're not black ... you can't understand!"  Right ... it's inconcievable that a person not of a certain skin color can't understand the concept of an insult.  That excuse is so ignorant in an of itself that it's no wonder the word continues to have power.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Harvester on Sun 05/08/2007 23:57:41
Off topic - Can anyone tell me is there an offensive word for white people? I'd like to start using it.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Harvester on Sun 05/08/2007 23:59:13
Quote from: space boy on Sat 04/08/2007 01:03:08
Just stumbled across this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/09/AR2007070900609.html

By that "N-word" they mean nigger, right?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: LimpingFish on Mon 06/08/2007 00:00:28
Cracker, Honky, Whitey, etc.

Isn't the english language just awesmoe?!

EDIT: Actually, it's funny how the above Washington Post article can't even bring itself to print the word.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: space boy on Mon 06/08/2007 00:22:56
Quote from: Harvester on Sun 05/08/2007 23:59:13
By that "N-word" they mean nigger, right?

Since we're still using the word nigger they can't have buried it. Unless it became a zombie, which brings us back to the main topic.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Ptraci on Mon 06/08/2007 02:28:04
This thread reminds me of an episode of The Fresh Prince of Bel Air in which uncle Phil is introduced to a rich white man who tells him: 'You can call me whitey', to which he replies in horror 'Oh no, I can't'. In the end the man explains that everyone calls him 'whitey' because of his white hair and goes away without even noticing the Banks's family reaction to the word. Context is everything!

Assuming people are going to be offended every time we say something isn't going to help as they will be offended anyway if they wanted to in the first place :S

Now I'll go to bed singing: Everyone's a little bit racist...
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Hammerite on Mon 06/08/2007 09:28:33
If they say honky on TV, no-one gives a shit.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Harvester on Mon 06/08/2007 12:43:33
Just for the record, I hate racism as much as the next guy, but all this crap about RE5 and the word nigger is simply - crap. I mean, it's just a word, dammit! I know I'm not a racist and every time I say "nigger", it's with that friendly-familiar tone (of course, I've never said "nigger" to anyone personally, because there are no black people in my country). On the other hand, it's such fun being racist towards your own race - like, I'm watching a NBA game with my friend and we are like "Dammit, what the hell is that whitey doing on the court???"  ;D (I used the word "whitey" here as an approximation of an offensive word from my language. We form racially based insults by adding a sufix (sp?) to the name of the race. It's the same suffix (sp?) in both cases, so the racial insults are equally strong. I think the strenght of those insults is approximately the same as the strength of the word "nigger", which seems to me a much stronger word than "whitey" or other terms for white race. We need new words in English language.)

Anyway, it seems that the REAL fight against racism is happening on this very forum. It's not about not using a stupid word - it's about being friendly with someone and being friendly in a totally relaxed way where you don't have to think for half an hour before using a word because you might offend someone. Long live all niggers, whiteys, crackers, yellow people (word?) and everyone else!
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Meowster on Mon 06/08/2007 13:04:25
That's from Avenue Q, right?


Ethinic jokes might be uncouth,
But you laugh because
They're based on truth.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Ptraci on Mon 06/08/2007 15:48:23
It's from Avenue Q, yes ^_^

Look around and you will find
No one's really color blind
Maybe it's a fact
We all should face


So unPC and so true.

Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: monkey0506 on Mon 06/08/2007 17:07:24
Quote from: space boy on Mon 06/08/2007 00:22:56
Quote from: Harvester on Sun 05/08/2007 23:59:13By that "N-word" they mean nigger, right?

Since we're still using the word nigger they can't have buried it. Unless it became a zombie, which brings us back to the main topic.

Best post I've ever seen. ;D
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: nick.keane on Wed 08/08/2007 06:17:09
"I gotz me a jobs to do, and I'm a gonna see it through"

lol - this truly is over the top!

My brother just got Resident Evil 4 for the Wii (we already played it on the PS2 and beat it, so I'm not sure why he got the Wii version), and I've never read an article complaining about Leon killing hordes of psycho mexicans (probably psycho due to horrible immigration laws, no doubt) as being in any way racist! Jesus christ, black people are crazy!
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: ManicMatt on Thu 09/08/2007 22:53:43
As far as I know, only one black person has accused Capcom of being racist.  :P
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: lo_res_man on Fri 10/08/2007 00:09:28
Even Scott Dewitt is pissed off at the African American Hypocratic http://fanboys-online.com/index.php
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: MoodyBlues on Fri 10/08/2007 05:11:26
Hmm, has this game been released yet?  If not, she should wait before passing judgement on it.

See, this is why nonhuman characters are awesome; they can kill each other in the most horrifically violent ways and no one gives a rip.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Fri 10/08/2007 14:30:45
Quote from: MoodyBlues on Fri 10/08/2007 05:11:26See, this is why nonhuman characters are awesome; they can kill each other in the most horrifically violent ways and no one gives a rip.

Doesn't that make us all racist then?  Oh the irony ...

;)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5 is RACIST oh noes!
Post by: MoodyBlues on Fri 10/08/2007 16:40:41
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Fri 10/08/2007 14:30:45
Quote from: MoodyBlues on Fri 10/08/2007 05:11:26See, this is why nonhuman characters are awesome; they can kill each other in the most horrifically violent ways and no one gives a rip.

Doesn't that make us all racist then?  Oh the irony ...

;)

Well, speciesist, at least.  All I know is that my little brother was allowed to play Halo only because he was blowing up aliens (albeit very evil aliens) and not humans.  It makes sense since violence against innocent aliens is not an issue in real life, but I couldn't help feeling a little sad seeing Master Chief kill everything and everyone he sees.

This is what happens when you read Out of the Silent Planet; you become a total space hippy.   ;)