The 2007 AGS Awards: DOWNLOAD THE CEREMONY!

[SSH]

As it turned out, the top 5 games in that category all had 8 nominations or more. Its hardly unfair that a game that didn't have enough nominations didn't make the shortlist. Perhaps if you'd posted in the FYC thread... 

Also, I asked CJ to put something on the front page, but he demurred... feel free to try and persuade him yourself. If someone posts a link on another web site, such as a game's own forum, I may have to disqualify the games as it would be unfair. It really should be those who have played most of the games up in the final vote who actually place votes, for things to be fair.

As for a package of all games, I'll see if I can arrange it.

[m0ds]

This is unfair. Secrets of Sultan Kanuni 2 should have been in "Best Background Art" nomination at least. 

And perhaps if you hadn't fiddled the "number of downloads" count last year too...

:p

[proximity]

This is unfair. Secrets of Sultan Kanuni 2 should have been in "Best Background Art" nomination at least. 

And perhaps if you hadn't fiddled the "number of downloads" count last year too...

:p

I couldn't understand relation between number of downloads and beauty of backgrounds. My game's size was big (71 MB) and perhaps people avoid to download it because of its size. However, it doesn't mean its backgrounds were bad. Look at yourself Mods and tell me it should be in the list or not.

  I don't request anything. I just want to tell you something is unfair here.

[SSH]

How is it unfair that you lost out on a popular vote? The only time people say that is when they are saying the voting was rigged. If you want to make such accusations, then you may want to consult a lawyer.

[m0ds]

Sure, your backgrounds are really nice - but it's kind of up to you to make sure your game gets nominated. You can't just rely on people remembering that sort of stuff, which is why SHH creates the FYC thread so people can pimp their games and remind them of who is the "best"... Sadly your absence from that thread has left you feeling betrayed, but it really is no-one elses fault other than your own. I hope you have better luck in the future!

[proximity]

How is it unfair that you lost out on a popular vote? The only time people say that is when they are saying the voting was rigged. If you want to make such accusations, then you may want to consult a lawyer.

SSH, please look at the background art and tell me it is worse than other 5 nominations. You have 2 eyes please look   You can't even discuss it. It is so clear. But if you are not agree with me, may be you can tell me details of how "best background art" should be. Go ahead tell me.

m0ds, you are right i can't rely on people remembering that sort of stuff. But i was doing my military duty and i couldn't connect to internet. May be admins should have got it nominated because it really deserves it.

[m0ds]

To be perfectly honest dude, I'd be surprised if 3D rendered graphics ever topped the hard efforts of hand drawn backgrounds, which all 5 best background nominations use. It's just the way it is.

[DoorKnobHandle]

Proximity: my game, Revelations, wasn't nominated in "best programming" either, although it was a very challenging project to realize with AGS - it's a jump'n'run styled action-title with levels, an editor, guards that patrol see you, etc. Nelly Cootalot, on the hand, was actually nominated for "best programming" although it clearly is a simple adventure game (and a great one at that, no offense intended, please), yet I do say, it couldn't have been exactly very challenging to program, after all it's exactly what AGS is made for.

It's not fair, but that's popular vote. You don't see me or everybody else here whining over these things. I wouldn't have mentioned the above if you hadn't given me a reason to.

[Nikolas]

proximity: It's a pity that you were in the army (I've been there... bloody awful thing. If only Greeks and Turks (the military heads) would realise the wasted potential, then you and me wouldn't have wasted so much time... ), but in a public vote, nothing can be really unfair, let alone 2 public votings (the nominations and now the normal voting).

It is a pity, but art is subjective. I'm sure that people didn't remember your game, and it's a really bad timing that you didn't post since the 7th of January, until today (checked your posts), but certainly nobody should be your "pimp", and certainly the mods job is not to remember any game and think about it in nominations because it may be "better" or "worst" in their own opinion.

also, keep in mind that the awards are mostly based on "popularity" rather than subjective criteria. Out of the 70 people voting, how many will have "eligible criteria" for voting in all categories?

[proximity]

m0ds, i am agree with you. I also prefer 2d hand drawn graphics than 3d rendered graphics. But you should know that making 3d graphics require hard effort too.

I'm sorry for this outburst but i couldn't control myself when i didn't see my game in the list  Good luck all games in the list.

[SSH]

It has previously been suggested that a committee choses the nominations and the popular vote only applies to the final part of the awards. Or the other way around. No way is perfect, and my experience with awards committees is that usually one or two people make all the suggestions and then everyone else goes "yeah, I agree with them".

Revelation was 7th on the longlist and so didn't make the top 5, Murder in a Wheel only just lost out in Character Art, Blackwell Unbound was a vote short in two categories... lots of good games just miss out. Last year Reactor 9 had loads of nominations but didn't win any awards...

[Ponch]

Proximity: my game, Revelations, wasn't nominated in "best programming" either, although it was a very challenging project to realize with AGS

dkh, Revelations totally should have made that cut, imo. If I'd bothered to vote for anybody, I would have voted for that game for programming. I did a Spy Hunter style game in AGS so I have some idea of the coding hoops you must have jumped through to pull that game off. Amazing.

Sadly, I forgot to vote until it was too late. And popular vote is a fickle thing under the best of circumstances. But that's how it goes, isn't it? Don't stress about it, Proximity. Better luck next year, dude. Stick with it and sooner or later, you'll get more recognition

And SSH, is it too early for me to go on another sad, drunken bender about the total lack of love my game got? I feel it's time, what with the weekend coming up and all... but I'm not sure

- Ponch

[LimpingFish]

Sure, it's nice when something you worked hard on is recognized; even within a community setting. Heartland Deluxe received two nominations last year, while Unbound received none this year. Am I upset? Not really. People still download my game, and take the time to leave a comment or two. What more can I, or should I, ask for?

Maybe whatever I release this year, will pick up some nominations next year. Or maybe not.

Regardless, I'll still be making games. Hopefully people will still be playing them.

[Cino]

I think proximity just misunderstood how the nominees were chosen, so to be clear about it once again, they were voted by ags community not chosen by a small amount of moderators.

[proximity]

No no, i knew nominees were chosen by AGS community. I was just expecting people played my game to vote for nominee but i was disappointed.

That's why i said moderators should choose nominees. And then i realized it is so difficult for mods to play all games in the year and decide which one should get nominated. As a result, it's fine the way it is although some unfair things.

[Tuomas]

pimping's the solution

[proximity]

We shouldn't call it pimping  . May be we can say bumping

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Hmm, I remember when Other Worlds got nominated for Best Documentation and nothing else.

Now this.

We could start a thread about dissatisfied competitors and be done with it, since it always seems to crop up. There they could tell everyone how unfair it all was, and everyone can choose to ignore said thread.

[SSH]

What gets me is how no-one nominated Princess Marian XI for any art awards...

[Vince Twelve]

Hey, at least I nominated you for your excellent documentation of the AGS awards.