The BNP

[RickJ]

Okay, I'm too fuckin drunk right now, but I'll answer soon.  

Hehe..., Matti, you have restored my faith in humanity  

Reason's I believe most migrate:...

You left out conquest!
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http://www.meforum.org/687/the-muslim-brotherhoods-conquest-of-europe
http://www.globalpolitician.com/24345-islamism-multiculturalism-european-immigration
http://www.aina.org/news/20060511113048.htm

[BOYD1981]

There are plenty of British people with those exact traits. But yet you single out immigrants?

Equally, there are plenty of immigrants that don't conform to this stereotype. Plenty of tax revenue coming from immigrants also.

So you think that because we already have people on benefits in this country (family members of which have most likely paid taxes towards for all their lives) that it's okay to import people to jump straight on to benefits they have never contributed anything towards?
Sorry but that's really a fucking STUPID way of looking at it Hudders.

[Meowster]

I don't think it is a stupid way of looking at things, could you elaborate on why you think so a little more? Also dude, there was no need to be so rude.

Boyd, (legal) immigrants are entitled to nothing at all until their first two years of a working history in the UK, by which point they have paid taxes and contributed towards their own benefit allowance (should they ever need it). This is more than a lot of UK families who have contributed precisely nothing for their entire lives, whether or not other people (family members or otherwise) are "paying for them" or however you want to phrase it.

When is it that you think immigrants are jumped straight onto benefits? The only time I know of this to happen is when the immigrants are asylum seekers and then it is done in order to protect them. Sure some of them are probably not truly asylum seekers and take advantage of the system (I've met one) but that's the same as how UK individuals can do the same thing (I've met several).

Anyway the point is that immigrants (unless under special circumstances ie asylum granted) do not get benefits until they have contributed at least two years working history in the UK. And as for the argument that someone mentioned earlier about them making money here and then taking their savings back and spending it in their own country - that works both ways you know

[Nikolas]

There are plenty of British people with those exact traits. But yet you single out immigrants?

Equally, there are plenty of immigrants that don't conform to this stereotype. Plenty of tax revenue coming from immigrants also.

So you think that because we already have people on benefits in this country (family members of which have most likely paid taxes towards for all their lives) that it's okay to import people to jump straight on to benefits they have never contributed anything towards?
Sorry but that's really a fucking STUPID way of looking at it Hudders.

Yeah right...

Do you have any idea how many brits I've met who are milking out tax credits? Give me a fucking break (since you like this kind of language)!

It's nice to know the Brits have such low faith to their systems and laws.

[LimpingFish]

I like how this thread has turned from a discussion on the validation of a "fringe" political party, to whether or not everything wrong with the UK really is the fault of pesky immigrants.

If UK citizens focused more on the fact that your country appears to be run by people who are clearly insane (Moats and HDTVs paid for by the taxpayer, incessant "database" compiling/misplacing, police enforcing laws that don't actually exist, government-approved campaigns urging you to spy on your neighbor, etc) and less on immigrants stealing jobs that a considerable amount of British people on social welfare (or Irish people, it has to be said) would run a mile from if offered, then things might change.

Blaming the alien is a popular scapegoat for most of society's problems, and not just in the UK. It doesn't require a lot of effort, it's great political misdirection, and a healthy chunk of people are dull/selfish enough to buy into it.

[BOYD1981]

Do you have any idea how many brits I've met who are milking out tax credits? Give me a fucking break (since you like this kind of language)!

It's nice to know the Brits have such low faith to their systems and laws.

That's kind of my point Nikolas, there are already so many people doing it in this country we don't need to import them too.

I don't think it is a stupid way of looking at things, could you elaborate on why you think so a little more? Also dude, there was no need to be so rude.

Boyd, (legal) immigrants are entitled to nothing at all until their first two years of a working history in the UK, by which point they have paid taxes and contributed towards their own benefit allowance (should they ever need it).

Bla bla bla....

First off, not trying to be rude with the bla bla bla, just you said a lot of other stuff and I don't really need to quote the entire post.
Second off, I'm not entirely sure that this is true of those migrant workers who become pregnant, there has actually been a baby boom amongst the immigrants in my town of late. Including one woman who lives near me who seems to have suddenly acquired a baby, seemingly without ever being pregnant.

And yeh, I know a lot of british people do that too, but in most cases they wait until retirement age to do it, and you do ofcourse have these british celebrities who claim to love the country but decide to keep their millions in offshore accounts or just not live here at all, so that the tax man doesn't get his cut. I am kind of divided on that one though, one one hand it's money they've earned fairly so why should the government take a big chunk of it? And on the other hand they earned that money really easily and with their accumulated millions they can afford to pay 40% tax.

Also, LimpingFish brings up a valid point; the discussion does seem to have wandered a bit off of the original topic. But these are the reasons that people are turning away from the main political parties to those such as BNP and UKIP. And although it may be true that immigrants don't really do much harm other than make us feel uncomfortable (after all, when an animal pisses all over it's home it's not too happy when some other animal comes along - and we really have pissed all over our country here) but can anyone really argue that it does any good when because of them the BNP gets more seats and supporters? And also gets us all blaming them instead of actually trying to sort the country out?
My dad has worked alongside a lot of immigrants - including one Lithuanian woman who by her own admission hated the english, asians and any other eastern european - and the vast majority of them really do miss their homes, which makes me think they would really be better off trying to fix the problems with their own countries instead of running all across the EU. And although you could argue that because a lot of them do seem to send money across to their families that it is helping their own economy get stronger it isn't really that affective.

[Stee]

Why dont we just trade all the scroungers for the immigrants? Anyone caught benefit cheating gets shipped off to a country in place for someone whose coming in.

imho if it weren't for the the religous extremists blowing our country to pieces we wouldn't have political extremists like the BNP (or at least they wouldn't get the widespread attention they are at the moment). But ffs, lets not get on a topic about religion.

Besides Im considering following suit and immigrating elsewhere (once I have money and a job). As I stated earlier I'd love to see the states, and it makes you wonder how you'd feel if you travelled elsewhere and got the response we give these immigrants (even if you do hate them).

[Nacho]

Hehe... And who is going to receive the scroungers? The originary country of the inmigrant? What a business...

[BOYD1981]

Why dont we just trade all the scroungers for the immigrants? Anyone caught benefit cheating gets shipped off to a country in place for someone whose coming in.

imho if it weren't for the the religous extremists blowing our country to pieces we wouldn't have political extremists like the BNP (or at least they wouldn't get the widespread attention they are at the moment). But ffs, lets not get on a topic about religion.

Besides Im considering following suit and immigrating elsewhere (once I have money and a job). As I stated earlier I'd love to see the states, and it makes you wonder how you'd feel if you travelled elsewhere and got the response we give these immigrants (even if you do hate them).

It's not as easy for us in the EU to get job in a non-EU country, as far as I'm aware you can't just move there and get a simple old boring job, you have to have a trade, setup your own business or have a unique skill.
And yeh, I've thought about moving country too, I wanted to go live in Finland and did a lot of research, I also planned to save up atleast £10,000 before I did it as I read that you have live in the country for 6 months before you can work there. And if I hadn't been able to find a job I would have just come back home, but as it is I'm having a hard enough time finding a job in my own country right now and the answer isn't just moving somewhere else where there are jobs. Atleast not for me.

[Hudders]

There are plenty of British people with those exact traits. But yet you single out immigrants?

Equally, there are plenty of immigrants that don't conform to this stereotype. Plenty of tax revenue coming from immigrants also.

So you think that because we already have people on benefits in this country (family members of which have most likely paid taxes towards for all their lives) that it's okay to import people to jump straight on to benefits they have never contributed anything towards?
Sorry but that's really a fucking STUPID way of looking at it Hudders.

No, that's not what I think at all. It would be foolish to suggest that we should open our borders to people who simply want to come and claim benefits without doing any work whatsoever.

But, equally, it is foolish to suggest that every immigrant that enters the UK is on benefits and hasn't paid into the system that is supporting them.

Open letter from the British Legion to the BNP: http://bit.ly/fCx1l