The worst man/woman in history

[Andail]

Right now it would be the asshole that set a live cat on fire, in which the pic is to be seen on freakhole.com 

You know, you can avoid browsing that kind of disgusting sites

[Nikolas]

Ok. I just heard the most disturbing new, for quite a while. And to point out how disturbing, I was driving, heard this thing on the radio, pulled off and vommited. So any of you with the weak of heart don't read further.

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a child 3 years old, was locked in his mothers appartment for 2 weeks with his dead mother, alone. His mother had a severe asma attack and she died. The child survived two weeks by eating crisps and snacks and drinking apple juice. He was crying all the time, he even tried to cry through the mail box, but nobody cared. He tried pushing out all the mail through the mailbox but the neighbours pushed the envelopeps back in. Two weeks after his mother diedm the nursery called his grandmother to say that he was not coming and if something is wrong. He is not tall to reach the door handle, and not old enough to use the telephone. But for fucks shake, the neighbours didin't care? Didn't smell? The nursery had to wait 2 fucking weeks to call? The grandmother didin't care about her daughter and grandson?

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This is a fucking world we live in! I can't believe the way people ignore each other.

Esper's right. People suck!

A bit off-topic but still people suck big time!

[Kinoko]

That's pretty bad but stuff like that happens all the time, I'm sorry to say. You wouldn't believe how many cases similar or worse than this happen every day.

EDIT: I wouldn't really blame the neighbours in this. They didn't know, how could they? They see someone's on the gound, they push it back in the mailbox. I do that sort of thing all the time. How are they supposed to know, if they even heard the cries, that it meant the mother was dead? Kids cry all the time (I've lived next door to kids that age before. The only strange thing would be a few days of silence). The kindergarten, well... is that strange? I think it's amazing enough they called at all. People don't always go to these things religeiously and I'm sure they have plenty to deal with already and probably just assumed her absence was one of a thousand other much more likely reasons.

Not meaning to pick at you, but I think it's unfair to judge people in cases like these. When you think about it, there was nothing really obvious. Most of us don't live in a society where all our neighbours know us and everything we do. Unfortunately I do so I can tell you it ain't the romantic, friendly scene you might imagine (it's alright sometimes but mostly annoying. I like my city girl privacy).

[Tuomas]

having made my family think I was dead for a year, I am the most evil person I know.

How on earth did you do that? And why?

[SSH]

Ok. I just heard the most disturbing new, for quite a while. And to point out how disturbing, I was driving, heard this thing on the radio, pulled off and vommited. So any of you with the weak of heart don't read further.

That happened in the city where I live and work, Edinburgh.

Well, plenty of people fall out with their parents and don't talk to them. And a mother with a small kid is often late for things she might have arranged and may miss them altogether... you should know! So, I can see quite easily how it might happen. And if your kid is crying you don't really welcome other people sticking their nose in, especially if the child is 2/3 years old as they have tantrums over the silliest little things at this point.

[esper]

I won't wait for general consencus to tell this story. It's kind of tied in with having sullied my father's good name... If this story is too long or boring or TMI, blame it on Tuomas.

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I went to a religious college to get my degrees in metaphysics and contemporary modern theology. Alot of what went on at the college was total bullshite, and thus I took to taking a stand against the administration. It was a small, tight-knit college group, and there were only about 80 students on campus. After a while, I had rallied about 75% of the students to stand up against the college administration. Rather than trying to put down the greater part of the student body, they went to the source and rooted me out, kicking me out of the college for being (get this) a Satanist, and threatening the student body by taking an "urban legend" that had started (that my roommate was demon-possessed) and blaming it on me.

The story spread all over every place where the college had supporters, and pretty soon I wasn't welcome anywhere anymore. I was staying with some friends of a friend who kicked me out of their house suddenly because ::warning Salem Witch Trials all over again:: I was giving the man's wife "bad dreams." I moved a hundred miles away to live with an old friend from college, and after a week his father instructed him to kick me out because I was "of the devil," which he did immediately.

So, at this time, thinking I had nothing better left in my life but to become a wanderer... Yeah, a wanderer... and roam around and around and around and around... I had one of my "trusted lietenants" from college call my family and tell them I had died in a car accident, and, being a total punk, had said as I lay dying in the ambulance to bury me in Virginia and not let my family have anything to do with me, not even to tell them where I was. I figured it would be easier for them to think I was dead rather than to hear all the lies about me. Unfortunately, my friend called me back and said they had already heard the rumors and thought my untimely demise was some kind of "wrath of God" thing.

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And thus you have it...

[Nikolas]

I know you're right. It's just that I have a son who is 21 months old and he with his mother are in Greece, away from me, so you can understand my sentiments on this.

I personally "check" on the people I care about. And I call my folks, as they call me at least three times a week. It's just that I can't begin to imainge the phychological problems this kid will have.

It was just a very big shock for me... It is a bit out off topic, I know...

Shit, esper this is awfull. I can't believe that people can be so "uneducated", hence to believe anything they hear. Really...

[SSH]

I can't understand people who disown their kids, no matter what they've done. Even if they've done something really terrible, if you love someone, you'd want to see them be reformed and even give up hope, surely?

I'm sorry about your experience, esper. Has it got any better since then? Or do they still think you are dead. Oh, and any hints of getting goat blood off of a purple velvet altar cloth? 

[esper]

The blood's not supposed to come off.

Anyway, things are only slightly better. My famoo would still rather believe the college than their own flesh and blood. There are even rumors that someone planted evidence in my bedroom while I was gone... most likely my sister. I won't say much more on this matter unless asked specifically, but thanks, SSH and Nik, for having even bothered to highlight the text of my woeful tale. Actually, I think I'm changing my earlier vote on the world's most evil person. The four main administrators of my college are now officially not only the most evil but also the most bastardly...

[Paper Carnival]

wow that sounds too bizarre :o

I get called a satanist a lot because of my art and music, but most of the time it's a joke and I play along. But I never thought it could be that bad.

There are a lot of bastards everywhere, you don't have to kill people to become one.

[Andail]

Esper, that's the most outrageous story I've heard so far. Did this take place in today's America? Sounds like something belonging to the dark ages. Completely absurd.

[edmundito]

I wouldn't say that there is one single worst person in history, whether it's Hitler or Ghandi. I think the worst is when a group of people get together and do something bad... of course, there's always one person to represent them like W and such.

I think based on Esper's story and stuff that I've noticed I think that the worst group of people are those who believe that what they're doing and what they believe is the right thing to do/believe, and they're usually conservative in what they're doing, and if anyone thinks otherwise then they are wrong, evil, and/or the child of the devil, so they must convince other people that they are so very wrong and that they are bad and doing bad things and push them to follow their conservative ways. Perhaps these people are afraid of what's different because there is a risk of not knowing what will happen in the future.

[Nacho]

My vote goes to the Greek coach driver. Miteneers know what I am talkig about and they may agree.

[Mordalles]

white people. like michael says, theyre pretty scary.

so what if im a racist against white people. im white too.

[IM NOT TEH SPAM]

Based on you're picture, I thought you were read eyed teeth demon thingy... I guess I was wrong.

Most people aren't really evil.  Everyone who's evil is just stupid in their own little way, either believing that they're concepts of right and wrong are utterly warped, or they're stupid in their own little way.  Except for George Lucas.  He's just plain evil.

And no, lucas doesn't count as my answer.

[esper]

Yeah, Andail, it happened in Virginia, and it reached all over the east coast. I eventually had to move to Arizona (where I am now) where no one had ever heard of me, or the college. I dislike telling this story for one reason: I don't want to give a bad name to the religion of the college, because frankly, most of my very good friends are of that religion and I don't want to bring shame to the people who aren't like the college administrators. However, Edmundo was totally right. Like I said earlier, Hitler was doing what he was doing because he thought he was fulfilling the righteous duty of finding God's Chosen Race (the Aryans) and was weeding out the evil of others. The Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials... All of this was done in the name of God, and righteousness, and justice, and goodness.

Because of my ordeal, I haven't come to, like many others, hate God... It's not His fault those who claim to be His people are stupid...

(sorry, not trying to make this a religious convo... I'm still talking about people, just certain types of people... Let any more on that topic end here and get back to what we were talking about)

Here in America (like I said, getting back on-topic), there have been repeated stories... several in just the past few months here in Arizona... of mothers leaving their children unattended in cars to suffocate and die of heat exhaustion. The last time this happened, the woman was sent to prison, but you could tell she was mortified. However, most of the time, it's some white trailer trash woman that weighs eighteen pounds and is obviously some kind of crack whore, and you can tell from the look on her face that she doesn't give a fetid pair of dingoes kidney's what she's done. There have also been about five, I think, stories in America since 1996 of women who wanted to be with a boyfriend who didn't want kids, and so they strapped the kids into the car and pushed it into a lake or river.

People suck because people are selfish. It doesn't matter if a two-year-old's life is at stake, they still want what's best for them.

[Andail]

I think your experiences would be good stuff for a novel. If only I were a native English speaker I could be your ghost writer

And yeah, I agree on the consensus of opinion in this thread; the cant of religious people who believe what they do is sanctioned by God (or some other greater idea), even though it's a matter of the most horrible anti-humanitarian acts of hate and spite and narrow minds, is really the worst kind of evilness.

The white trailer trash crack whore who left her kid behind commited a heinous crime, but at least she's a part of a pattern, it wasn't how she would have wanted her life to be if she ever had the opportunity to choose, she's clearly a victim of something, a failing system, etc.
But a wealthy, fairly educated person with a decent childhood devoid of traumas and violence, can simply choose to destroy a fellow human's life because he believes he'll go to heaven for it.

[esper]

I would tend to agree, however, (you're going to make me tell more of my story, now. I seriously don't mean to be bogging this thread with my personal crap, but it's important to the topic) I grew up in a poor home, in a little fishing village on the outskirts of a huge, wealthy town full of snobby bastards. I'm a minority (I'm white, but I'm of Portuguese descent, and I only claim minority status because I grew up in a totally Portugi-infested area), grew up living in RV's, and trailers, and was homeless for a year of my childhood (my family ran a little cab company, but couldn't afford an office AND a home, so I slept on hard plastic chairs in the airport where we held our offices). My mother, rather than divorcing my dad, hooked up with a boyfriend and kidnapped me three days before Christmas. My "stepfather" was an abusive, drunken prick, and my mother and he were at a bar one night when I almost died at home of hypothermia when the power failed. When I finally escaped them and ran away back home to my father, three months later I found out he was dying of cancer and had to take care of him for three years, until he died when I was seventeen.

I said all that to say this: I am educated, intelligent, the author of two published books with a third on the way (sorry andail:P). I care very deeply about my fiancee and will try my best to be the best father in the world when we have children together. I have never taken drugs or had too much to drink, and I care enough about my fiancee that I don't sleep around, and I never will.

It's all a matter of choice. Anyone can overcome their situation and raise from their lot in life. The white trailer trash crack whores and their ilk simply choose not to, and don't care one way or the other. Even if I had turned out to be a "product of my environment," I think I might at least be upset when I left my baby to die in the backseat of my car.

[Andail]

This is something I don't think your entitled to comment just because you're a good example.
You were strong enough to overcome the obstacles on your path, not everybody is. It's not simply a matter of choice, for everybody would have gone your way, the american dream, if they could. We're not all alike. Misery and hardships cannot be compared and measured.

[Nikolas]

Andail: In theory esper's right!

Unfortunately nothing works like in theory. There is a little thing called "chaos" (I don't know how else to call it), which tends to mess up everyones life. Well and this little uncontrolable, unpredictable thing is what messes up all good willing.

Esper, you are lucky! You are lucky that you have managed to survive this, physicaly and mentaly.

What I believe is that I'm lucky too! Well, I sure feel lucky! But I have come to a conclusion that luck has nothing to do with it. It is how we want to percieve and think of things that come to our life. Sometimes something really bad can happen. Like the things that happened to esper for example. Someone would fail, but esper didn't. And now, me being on the outside, say that these experiences are what made esper the man that he is, the author with two published books (and a third coming his way!)

The problem is that I can only speak for myself. Well, right now I'm in a situation, rather ugly, where things can go really really bad. I guess it's my turn to take my personal stuff out (sort of anyway). My wife is 38 weeks pregnant. She left for Greece a couple of weeks ago, with my son (avatar, remember), to give birth there. The reason is that she wants to see her father. He might not live to see his second grandson. He has serious health problems. And I'm stuck here in grey London, searching for a job, without any luck. You know I've even tried IKEA for gods shake! Well all this things are sad, and could actually break a man, mentaly (don't get me wrong, I know that there are worst things out there...). But for me although I'm feeling very blue, all the time, and drinking a lot of beer, I tend to think that this is an opportunity to work more, on my music, to write more tuff, maybe to put up a website. Generally to do what I couldn't do with my family here. And I try not to think that I miss them, but that they're having a good time.

What I'm trying to say here, is that there are all sort of bad things in everybodys life. The trick is to try to focus on the good side of things, as possible of course. There are very few things that don't have a good side (death is one...). The rest seem to have a way of coming up with an undo option after a while.

In espers case it wasn't undo it was a redo. Good for him!

Andail, esper is entitled to comment. He seems that he's been through a lot. On the other hand he is ablsolute and not entirely right. What about someone living in South Africa or Pakistan (now 80000+ dead!) no chance for the dead. None for the survivors either.