Was Jesus a Timelord?

KANDYMAN-IAC · Sun 30/07/2006 05:37:55

I've been thinking about it. Mainly my imagination was peaked when you think that after jesus dies and comes back, he doesn't actually look jesus. He isn't immediatley recognised by his followers.

What if Jesus was a timelord that just got a bit caught up in a social upheaval and now is thought of as the son of god.

Raggit · Sun 30/07/2006 05:40:10

I dunno about the timelord thing, but the fact that nobody recognized him is definately something to think about. Something I hadn't previously thought about before.

I predict major discussion coming...

MillsJROSS · Sun 30/07/2006 05:49:31

If he was a TimeLord he was going against trying not to change time. So, no, I don't think he was a Time Lord.

-MillsJROSS

KANDYMAN-IAC · Sun 30/07/2006 05:53:31

Oh come on Rogue timelords weren't uncommon. The Master for instance. And The Doctor originally which is why he was banished to earth when everthing kicked off (I mean the Doctor Who series started).

Evil · Sun 30/07/2006 06:21:47

Hmm, if no one recognized him, maybe Jesus and one of his followers planned the whole thing. Fake his resurrection?

sergiocornaga · Sun 30/07/2006 06:56:40

Maybe all major deities are people from the future who realised they could travel back in time and assume the rool of deities in order to be worshipped forever.

Think about it... the year 3218... Bill puts on his invisible hoverboots, dresses up like Jesus and steps into a time machine. He can walk on water now.

deadsuperhero · Sun 30/07/2006 07:20:24

It's an interesting thought.
Thing is though, Jesus is the son of God, so he has all God's powers. I'm sure he could travel through time if he WANTED to, but why would he? He had other plans.
Great topic, Kandy!

Hammerite · Sun 30/07/2006 08:31:10

everyone knows that Jesus is the buddha.
he can fly too, and make toast using his
LAZ0R EYES!!!!!!

deadsuperhero · Sun 30/07/2006 08:35:13

Quote from: Hammerite on Sun 30/07/2006 08:31:10
he can fly too, and make toast using his
LAZ0R EYES!!!!!!

He's Jesus, I'll bet he could.
In ways, Jesus was like Buddha, except Buddhism has nothing to do with the Bible. Buddha himself said that one shouldn't believe in Jesus. Ick.

Hammerite · Sun 30/07/2006 09:45:28

All religions should join together to form a SuperReligion that totally contradicts itself and destroys the universe.
Oh yeah, and Jesus may be powerful and crap, but he still can't fit 2000 doughnuts in his mouth.

KANDYMAN-IAC · Sun 30/07/2006 10:05:03

hasn't that already happened... the super contradicting religion i mean.

Hammerite · Sun 30/07/2006 10:06:16

yeah, but i mean one colossal contradicting religion, not loads of little ones that contradict themselves.

Ali · Sun 30/07/2006 11:09:26

Quote from: Hammerite on Sun 30/07/2006 09:45:28
Oh yeah, and Jesus may be powerful and crap, but he still can't fit 2000 doughnuts in his mouth.

He can, it's bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.

Sorry.

HillBilly · Sun 30/07/2006 12:01:54

Quote from: Evil on Sun 30/07/2006 06:21:47
Hmm, if no one recognized him, maybe Jesus and one of his followers planned the whole thing. Fake his resurrection?

Probably. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus first claim to be the son of God after his resurrection? And with the newly discovered Gospel of Judas, it would seem more likely most of it was a set-up.

Hey, with both Charles Manson and Jim Jones fresh in memory, it's possible, right?

Krysis · Sun 30/07/2006 19:26:14

Or maybe he just died.

Tiki · Sun 30/07/2006 19:45:30

If he didn't claim to be God before his resurrection, why would the Pharisees/Jews want to kill him in the first place? If all he did was minister to others and heal, he would not have been charged with blasphemy or mocked as "King of the Jews".

The disciples did recognize him (a great number of other people did as well. over 400, IIRC), it simply was not instant. It makes more sense that they would doubt at first, anyway.

Also, how would a couple of fisherman been able to steal his body from the Roman guards? Bribery would be out of the question - a guard's penalty would be a gruesome death. The disciples had little money in the first place.

Considering that Jesus predicted his death numerous times (for example, 'this temple will be destroyed and rebuilt in 3 days'), he would have needed to have been a part of the great resurrection conspiracy too. And why would he willingly die for what he knew was a lie?

Talk about a "set-up" like this has existed for a very long time, however, I have yet to see any real evidence for it.

Indie Boy · Sun 30/07/2006 19:58:20

Well how could he travel back in time or fake is own death when he was nailed to that cross?

Vlad · Sun 30/07/2006 20:39:32

OK, my 2 cents.

I'm not very much familiar with Dr. Who series but I imagine the Time Lords require very advanced equipment to travel through time and, I think that's important, an energy source to initiate the process of bending the continuum. If they don't - Dr. Who is nothing more than an enormously popular and fun piece of science fiction with science cut out.

Such an energy source would be, oh, I don't know, some bloody huge reactor or a medium-sized supernova.

I never read the Bible thoroughly (I guess I should've, though, me being Christian an all) but I'm quite sure that no great big time travelling mechanisms were described there.

No, the Ark of the Covenant doesn't count, it's too small and everyone knows its primary function is to make people's eyeballs explode (see Riders of the Lost Ark).

OK, back to Jesus. If he could, however, travel in time without all this heavy gizmos he himself would have to generate enormous amounts of energy. Now the fun part: no human can do that (NO, rubbing an inflated balloon against a sweater won't be enough, anyway he'd have to be doing it for a few million years, and I don't think they had sweaters in Jerusalem back then, not to mention balloons*). Furthermore a person with such an ability (generating cosmic amounts of energy, not rubbing balloons on sweaters) would have to have godlike powers.

Basically if you're an all-powerful entity going back in time to fake your own death (with all the mucking about the time-space continuum, dealing with some potentially dangerous paradoxes and making calculations that'd make Stephen Hawkins' eyes water) would take much more effort than simply resurrecting yourself.

That is why I don't think Jesus was a Time Lord.

*inflated animal bladders don't count.

MillsJROSS · Sun 30/07/2006 20:49:05

No, he couldn't have been a rogue time lord, because something big enough to change all of human history would have been stopped.

If we assume he was a Time Lord, though. Is Judas a Dalek?

-MillsJROSS

Mr Flibble · Sun 30/07/2006 20:54:27

Maybe Judas was a timelord as well, but Jesus thought "oh no, not in MY bible!" and made him into a villain.