What the f*** is wrong with kids these days?!?!

Nacho · Sat 27/03/2004 12:08:42

I preffer to grow in a country, having the right of become a wanker, and freely choosen not to be it, than growing in a country were being a wanker is not allowed... $:-\$

EDIT: and I think I should define wanker... A lazy young person who watches "Cow and chicken?" all the day, has a bad relation with his/her parents, does not study or work, gets fatter in a sofa, smoking marihuana... You know what I mean.

Truly, this was not directed to any AGSer...

Just to avoid missunderstandings.

Vel · Sat 27/03/2004 12:13:38

I know that freedom is better, but some people are very ignorant about their views. I mean, COME ON, Marijuana is bad, it causes brain damage. It's not something to do in your free time.

Nacho · Sat 27/03/2004 12:25:02

Lol! I was making the edit before seeing Vel's reply...

I quite agree, specially with the marihuana stuff... I am not an anti-drug zealot, I think that a "cigarette of the laugh" in one party is acceptable, once a year (Ok, once a month) it's ok, but I think that spending money (and health) in that is not the answer.

Do you want to have a monthly budget for spending it in "non-politically-correct-stuff"? Buy games, your parents will probably won't be happy about it.

My father told it to me in an easy way... (changing a little bit of topic)...
-two packs of cigarettes per day, let's say... 5 bucks? 5 bucks per 35 bucks a week... Well, it's 1,825 bucks per year...

I choosed cycling... It's cheaper, as a carbon bicycle can last forever and costs just about 6,000 bucks... and healthier.

People must be explained this way, so, the intellect works. If things are just forbidden, the rebel instinct wins to the brain, IMO.

Freedom is not the problem, it's much a problem of education, I guess...

Creed Malay · Sat 27/03/2004 13:29:29

Quote from: Vel on Sat 27/03/2004 12:00:32
Bah, seeing people my age nowadays I think is it not better to live in a strict muslim country like Saudi Arabia or Libia - at least they don't have the "Whore dressing" problem.

You be a curious young man, Vel.

I think the major problem is that the "Just say no/drugs be Bad-Bad-Bad" messgae clashes badly with what a lot of the media says - that drugs can be fun, interesting and exciting. Wouldn't it be better to teach people that yeah, drugs can be great fun, but they're also something that can fuck you up royally, so should be treated with caution and respect? Also, if they were legal, it'd be possible to regulate the strength (impossible to tell, lots of the time) which would help avoid overdoses, and to keep them from being cut with all kinds of nasty shit. Prohibition don't work. This we have learned.

And Farlander - so your dad sat you down one day and said "Son, there's a choice you have to make, today. You can start smoking, or you can start riding a bike."?

Davy

Nacho · Sat 27/03/2004 13:45:40

Yes Creed, something like that...

And I totally agree with your previous post... We must tell people that drugs are not the evil they showed us... They can be fun and all that, and yeah, you can be addicted in some way and not noticing any special major damage in your body (Which the anti-drug advertisement claim) but we must be sure to make people know that the damage will finally come...

When young people who thinks that they're going to ve killed by the first dosis, gather "valour" to test it, and realise that we haven't been telling them all the thruth, they believe that all we said was a lie and drugs will NEVER hurt them... no!

foz · Sat 27/03/2004 14:13:03

Being a parent now i have to admit i sometimes think what world have i brought him in to.....

This sort of thing worries me for the future.....

When he goes to school he is influenced by other kids..(that might have bad parents)...and i have no control....

Thats why its hard to find good schools,because every good parent wants the best for their kid...

The Worlds gone crazy in every way..

Meowster · Sat 27/03/2004 19:21:44

I blame TiVo, until somebody explains to me what it is.

modgeulator · Sun 28/03/2004 09:03:59

"Whore" dressing... right. Makes me wonder who really has the problem.

Meowster · Sun 28/03/2004 22:05:57

Cigarettes are 6.35 in Ireland. I know people that go through a pack a day; that's like, over 2100 Euro a year, spent killing yourself.

rtf · Mon 29/03/2004 01:05:36

Darth Mandarb is right.

My generation sucks becasue almost everyone has been exposed to messages such as "Drugs are fine" and "Pimps are cool guys." or maybe "I think I'm gonna go get myself some at a club with my fake ID."

My neigbors came over last night asking me to edit the 2 rap songs they were going to break dance to at their talent show. I accepted, thinking this would be a good way to excersice my talent of music modification.
They gave me the 2 Mp3's: "Yeah" by Usher, and "Tipsy" by Jkwon.
Here is a sample of the lyrics of "Tipsy": (Remember, my neighbor is in Elementary School

Quote
Teen drinkning is very bad
yo i got a fake id though
yeeah, yeeah,yo, 2 step wit me, 2 step wit me

1, here comes the 2 to the 3 to the 4
everybody drunk out on the dance floor
babygirl ass jiggle like she want more,
like she a groupie and i aint even on tour
maybe cause she heard that i rhme hard core
maybe that heard that i buy out the stores
bottom of the 9th in the series gotta score
if i gotta move on to the next floor
here comes the 3 to the 2 to the 1
somebody trippin he dont know i gotta gun
when it comes to pop man do this for fun
you ant got one nigga you betta run
now im in the back gettin head from a hun
while she goin down i breakin down what i done
she smokin my stuff sayin she aint havin fun
chick give it back now you aint gettin none

everybody in this bitch gettin tipsy, everybody in this bitch gettin tipsy
now everybody in this bitch gettin tipsy

I'm only 13 and I'm appaled.
IF you want the rest of the lyrics click here.

As you can see, we are going no where. We are taking a step backwards. If something isn't done soon, were doomed.

I've seen the future, and it smokes pot.

Meowster · Mon 29/03/2004 05:15:11

Something that pisses me off is that they ban music videos like Britney Spears new song from MTV, yet they let all these black rap videos stay where sex/drugs/pimping/whoring/etc is a common theme throughout, and women are objectified so nastily. They probably do it because they're afraid of being called racist or something. But what, Britneys songs get banned for her simulating sex, right... but other songs don't get banned for simulating sex, and promoting pimping, whoring, sex, drugs and guns?

Quite frankly though, I don't give a shit anyway. Because any person stupid enough to watch these videos and then copy them deserves to get beat up anyway, which eventually they will if they go down that path.

Layabout · Mon 29/03/2004 05:31:40

Pot is the dumbest thing ever. It's heaps more expensive than drinking and It causes really dumb effects like paranoir and the munchies.

MrColossal · Mon 29/03/2004 06:29:04

maybe you should do some actual research and see what types of music videos they don't allow on MTV instead of just guessing

I can guarantee they don't allow a lot of "those black rap videos" and they don't allow a lot of white videos [whatever that means]

MillsJROSS · Mon 29/03/2004 06:48:03

She obviously mispelled rap...she meant wrapped. Black wrapped videos, Makes sense not to like them...if you have dandruff and are giving someone a black wrapped video as a present, your problems becomes fairly apparent.

I'm assuming, and I may be going out on a limb here, white videos are talking about snow. And it would be prejudiced for MTV to show snow, as snowless people aren't represented in the video. So here in Florida, there are no complaints of such things, because you can keep your snow!

-MillsJROSS

Creed Malay · Mon 29/03/2004 11:08:21

Quote from: Pirate Jack on Mon 29/03/2004 05:31:40
Pot is the dumbest thing ever. It's heaps more expensive than drinking and It causes really dumb effects like paranoir and the munchies.

Dunno where you live, man, but dope is way cheaper than drink around here... you're talking soapbar resin, though, which isn't so great....
Incidentily, every sip of alchohol kills off a handful of your braincells, and they NEVER EVER grow back. Dope don't do that. Paranoia, yeah, that can happen, but I often get bad para attacks when I'm out drinking too. Different things hit people in different ways... To be honest, I'd much rather live in a world where everyone smoked dope at the weekends rather than geting drunk and prowling round the streets screaming, yelling, fighting and puking. You want a drug of the masses to sedate, not excite....
As for nasty song lyrics - hasn't it always been this way, really? It's just a shade more.. blatant, now... Check out some lyrics by the Beatles (Maxwells Silver Hammer, Happiness is a Warm Gun), or Frank Zappa(evevrything he ever did ever)...

Davy

Peter Thomas · Mon 29/03/2004 12:53:02

I hate the majority of the world. And I truly mean that.

I'm lucky, in the respect that I've never allowed myself to be fully exposed to it. I keep good friends, and don't go to places where these kinda things happen. I don't understand what is so appealing to a 13 year old about getting stoned or drunk! How do they think that's going to help them in the future?? I know kids don't think that far ahead, but it's fairly obvious...

I hate most modern music in general. Most of it (besides lacking COMPLETE musicality, which I won't go into, but could verify for a million different reasons) contains themes which are appealing for all the wrong reasons. We try to stop teenage girls from getting pregnant, but look at all these songs! They talk about what an easy girl Sasha is, and how she's so popular because of it!... grr... it drives me absolutely mental.

In conclusion, Earth sucks. I wish I were dead - at least then I'd be heading off to a much nicer place - and I hope all the dickheads in society get a cheese-grater rubbed against their genitals.....

EDIT: You saying you prefer dope to alcohol? No way. I think both are dumb when taken in extremes, but drunks tend to be more personable than stoners. At least with drunks, when someone goes to stab you, you can say "WAIT!" and generally they will. When you piss off a stoner, they just go straight for you...

Also - I agree that these lyrics have just been a gradual progression. Even a lot of opera from the baroque period had questionable subtexts. But it is more blatant now, and that's the problem. By hiding subtexts, most kids don't pick stuff out unless they look (which very rarely happens). By just saying it plain, you're sending a very clear message.....

Creed Malay · Mon 29/03/2004 13:14:22

Quote from: Peter Thomas on Mon 29/03/2004 12:53:02
You saying you prefer dope to alcohol? No way. I think both are dumb when taken in extremes, but drunks tend to be more personable than stoners. At least with drunks, when someone goes to stab you, you can say "WAIT!" and generally they will. When you piss off a stoner, they just go straight for you...

Can't say that that's my experience, man. Maybe we gets different drunks here in the UK than you do where you be. We do have a binge-drinking culture here, I guess...
Two-thirds of all accident and emergency cases in this counntry are alchohol related, apparently. To be honest, and this might just be my cynicsysm here, I often feel that people just use being pissed as an excuse to act like twats...
Cannabis is a more calming drug, man, seriously. A guy who is high is much more likely to be engaged in a "why SHOULD you stab me, really? Will the long term consequences prove ultimetly advantageous?" debate than some prole who's been out all day with his mates, leering priapismicaly at the ladies, chanting football songs and knocking back bottles of Newcatle Brown...
Of course, there are other drugs, like speed, that can make people very violent and unpredictable. There's nothing in the world that's all good or all bad, really....

As for hating the world... it's here, matey, and it aint going anywhere. Get used to it, and search for the rubies in the dust. I despise football, but get it rammed down my throat for fifty weeks a year. But I burst out laughing whenever someone uses the phrase "making massive strides" because it makes me think of giant trousers. You gots to learn to tolerate the bad things and dance at the good...

Davy

Babar · Mon 29/03/2004 13:15:41

but most of the world has in sight the end of the beginning of the midpoint of the blatancy of the redemption of those with the ability to find the solution to the problem that troubles the answer for the result of the question which was never resolved. The propitious detractors may survive the disclosure to the inebriated populace of our most inalienable behaviour towards ourselves. May the most Malawian contender succeed.

Migs · Tue 30/03/2004 03:39:23

The problem is, of course, not as simple as just showing kids rap videos and the like and worrying they'll emulate what they see. It's about desensitization. For some reason, we've all just come to accept the crap in the world because, well, we gotta be "tolerant of others." Rap music and videos are quite a strange anomaly. They rarely portray real normal life. If you think they do, your life is not normal. I don't dispute the musical talent of rappers (I'm not just saying that to be "tolerant"...rapping is really a difficult thing to do well), but I think sometimes these rap artists feel like they have to put up an image. How different things would be if rap music evolved to support good moral values.

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Migs · Tue 30/03/2004 03:51:48

I don't think there's any room for tolerance when it comes to the world's filth. Things don't HAVE to be this way. It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't involve me, but when it comes into my own home through sex/hate/racist/drug-oriented themes on network television shows, I don't see why I should consign myself to just pass it off in the name of tolerance. I'm starting to get tired of the state of the world. It's like an awful fad that won't go away. Who knows how bad things will be just a few years from now.

What also perturbs me goes back to the original topic: how parents don't raise decent kids. Here I am, doing my best to be a good role model to my young daughter, to teach her good moral values. Then she goes outside and the neighborhood kids around her are cussing up a storm and calling people "bitches" and crap like that. I'm sure I'll regret saying this, but sometimes I think freedom of speech has gone awry. Moreover, it's socially unacceptable to ask the neighborhood kids not to talk about that stuff, since they're not your kids, and the parents will get mad because they don't share the same sense of values I do. Would it really be so bad to live away from the world in a plastic bubble?

The only solution is to let our children know how WE expect them to act, and then to teach them to think for THEMSELVES. It's not the best solution, but what else are we supposed to do? I actually didn't realize those were the real lyrics from "Tipsy." I've only heard the radio-edited version, where it goes "Everybody in the club getting tipsy." Needless to say, the lyrics wouldn't even exist in a truly civilized world, where people cared about the welfare of their community and about the effect their actions have upon other people. How screwed up and misanthropic do you have to be to create such garbage like that?