What the f*** is wrong with kids these days?!?!

[Migs]

Something that pisses me off is that they ban music videos like Britney Spears new song from MTV, yet they let all these black rap videos stay where sex/drugs/pimping/whoring/etc is a common theme throughout, and women are objectified so nastily. They probably do it because they're afraid of being called racist or something. But what, Britneys songs get banned for her simulating sex, right... but other songs don't get banned for simulating sex, and promoting pimping, whoring, sex, drugs and guns?

Quite frankly though, I don't give a shit anyway. Because any person stupid enough to watch these videos and then copy them deserves to get beat up anyway, which eventually they will if they go down that path.

I was up late one night, flipping through channels, and I found that BET (Black Entertainment Television) shows pure hardcore porn rap videos (semi-censored), if you're willing to stay up late enough to watch them.  WHAT, praytell, IS THE POINT OF THIS FILTH?  There is NO redeeming value to it whatsoever.

[shbaz]

Man, Creed Malay, man, I would have never guessed you were a stoner man.  

Don't try to argue that pot doesn't kill brain cells and alcohol does, that's just a dumb obviously flawed argument. Breathing in smoke and holding it in your lungs definately isn't causing you to grow new brain cells is it? They die from oxygen deprivation. It's a slow process though. Sometimes I think that the cells killed by alcohol and pot must be in different areas of the brain, because you can tell a stoner from an alcoholic.

I also don't think that the two drugs have any better/worse effects in comparison, it's the different kinds of people that will prefer one over the other.

Peter, you get stabbed often? You can argue a stoner out of something just as easy as a drunk.

[Migs]

I hate the majority of the world. And I truly mean that.

I'm lucky, in the respect that I've never allowed myself to be fully exposed to it. I keep good friends, and don't go to places where these kinda things happen. I don't understand what is so appealing to a 13 year old about getting stoned or drunk! How do they think that's going to help them in the future?? I know kids don't think that far ahead, but it's fairly obvious...

I hate most modern music in general. Most of it (besides lacking COMPLETE musicality, which I won't go into, but could verify for a million different reasons) contains themes which are appealing for all the wrong reasons. We try to stop teenage girls from getting pregnant, but look at all these songs! They talk about what an easy girl Sasha is, and how she's so popular because of it!... grr... it drives me absolutely mental.

In conclusion, Earth sucks. I wish I were dead - at least then I'd be heading off to a much nicer place - and I hope all the dickheads in society get a cheese-grater rubbed against their genitals.....

EDIT: You saying you prefer dope to alcohol? No way. I think both are dumb when taken in extremes, but drunks tend to be more personable than stoners. At least with drunks, when someone goes to stab you, you can say "WAIT!" and generally they will. When you piss off a stoner, they just go straight for you...

Also - I agree that these lyrics have just been a gradual progression. Even a lot of opera from the baroque period had questionable subtexts. But it is more blatant now, and that's the problem. By hiding subtexts, most kids don't pick stuff out unless they look (which very rarely happens). By just saying it plain, you're sending a very clear message.....

I am 100% with you, Peter Thomas.

The largest problem, in my opinion, is the mass desensitization to sex and drugs.  It's not that sex itself is bad, it's just that we've been forcefed tragically mind-numbingly erroneous views on how people should conduct themselves sexually in a decent society.  That's the problem: I feel our society has become unliveable, because no matter how hard I try to correct the problems, it probably won't make a difference.  I shouldn't have to live in a place where I can't make a difference.

The situation with drugs is just awful.  It's such a waste.  It seems younger and younger kids are getting access to drugs, mostly due to idiot parents.  Sometimes I don't think natural selection is working fast enough on our species.

[MrColossal]

migs, I recommend editing posts instead of posting new ones, makes mouths happy. 3 in a row is 2 too many

also...

"Needless to say, the lyrics wouldn't even exist in a truly civilized world, where people cared about the welfare of their community and about the effect their actions have upon other people. How screwed up and misanthropic do you have to be to create such garbage like that?"

give me a break... a truly civilized world could take "dangerous" lyrics for what they are, lyrics. A truly civilized world could have 200 porn channels running nonstop with internal cameras inside the woman's vagina and in the man's anus and everyone would be fine with it because they realize that free thinking people are doing this not to corrupt the world and in hopes that little children find the channels but because it's something they want to do.

A truly civilized world isn't everyone walking around smiling and and not offending everyone else and hugging in the streets and never uttering a swear word or getting angry, a truly cilivilized world could take all the bad stuff that happens in the day and not allow it to escalate into a large problem like war, fist fights, shootings, wife beating, child beating, dog beating, cat beating, fricken hampster beating... This is the stuff that a civilized world won't allow this is the stuff that a civilized people won't even think of doing because they have the mental capacity to read a book with violence in it or listen to a song that has swearing [oh shit!] or watch a movie with violence in it and realize that they are not in real life. There will always be disagreements but a civilized people in a civilized world wouldn't let them get far. Not through enforcement but through common sense.

Hell, a truly civilized world may not even have any speed limits, doesn't that disgust you more that people can't be trusted behind the wheel of a car that they have to be threatened with jail in order not to do stupid things like go 120 miles per hour down a school street?

A civilized world can even totally hotbox Boston once a year in an event called The Anual Boston SmokeBomb.

"Who knows how bad things will be just a few years from now."

Pessimistic much? Just a few years ago in America black people were hung from trees in Mississippi... Women couldn't vote... nonwhite students weren't allowed on school buses with white children... All this has changed. Sure there are still struggles but goddamn man, wake up and realize that things are slowly getting better, I understand how frustrating it can be sometimes to look out the window and think "There are people dicking people over constantly out there right now, someone is shooting someone else, children are dying in the streets and there is flouride in my water..." but just remember, there are millions of people who aren't dicking other people over, there are millions of children who are getting help who would NEVER have had the chance a few years ago, and as for the flouride, I don't know get a Brita or something.

[Creed Malay]

Man, Creed Malay, man, I would have never guessed you were a stoner man.  

Don't try to argue that pot doesn't kill brain cells and alcohol does, that's just a dumb obviously flawed argument. Breathing in smoke and holding it in your lungs definately isn't causing you to grow new brain cells is it? They die from oxygen deprivation. It's a slow process though. Sometimes I think that the cells killed by alcohol and pot must be in different areas of the brain, because you can tell a stoner from an alcoholic.

I also don't think that the two drugs have any better/worse effects in comparison, it's the different kinds of people that will prefer one over the other.

Peter, you get stabbed often? You can argue a stoner out of something just as easy as a drunk.

Heh. The "man" thing is more of a local dialect deely than a stoner affectation...
 Brain cell thing - I was playing devils advocate, I guess, because having one dangerous drug legal and the other illegal always annoyed me...
But you don't have to smoke it. Make dope-butter and mix it into a yogart. Bake it in a pie. Much more efficent, none of the wastage of smoking... :/

And I be with you 100%, Eric. LThe world isn't perfect, but it's a whole-whole lot better than it might be...

Davy

[Peter Thomas]

Peter, you get stabbed often? You can argue a stoner out of something just as easy as a drunk.

Point taken.  

If it's worth adding so that a new, perhaps less world-hating attitude is perceived of my last post, then I believe this world is in the end times. Biblically, speaking, btw, so if you disagree, that's great. It's just my personal opinion.


And I agree completely with Migs. Although that's not terribly surprising, seeing as he agreed with me first. I'm not about to disagree with someone who shares my common values. Then again, in this world we live in, there's very little understanding of respect...

But that's another story.

[modgeulator]

I think you all just don't realise how good you have it. The only real threat to your survival in todays society comes from yourself. Just ponder for a moment if you'd been born 100 years ago. If you weren't lucky enough to be born into the top 5% or so, you'd either be in servitude to rich masters, watching your family drop dead from the plague, going blind working in a coal mine, or in some other situation where survival really is a day to day battle.
I found this list on the net:

WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE IN THE U.S. IN 1904â€"100 YEARS AGO

- The average life expectancy was 47 years.
- Only 14 percent of homes had a bathtub.
- Only 8 percent of homes had a telephone.
- A three-minute call from Denver to New York City cost eleven dollars.
- The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower.
- More than 95 percent of all births in the U.S. took place at home.
- There were 8,000 cars in the U.S. and only 144 miles of paved roads.
- The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.
- Most women washed their hair once a month, using borax or egg yolks for shampoo.
- The top three causes of death were pneumonia/influenza, tuberculosis and diarrhea
- There were only about 250 reported murders in the entire U.S.
- Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa and Tennessee were each more heavily populated than California.
- Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii and Alaska hadn't been admitted to the Union yet.
- The population of Las Vegas was 30.
- Crossword puzzles, canned beer and iced tea hadn't been invented.
- There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day.
- Marijuana, heroin and morphine were all available over the counter at corner drugstores.
- Eighteen percent of households had at least one full-time servant or domestic.
- Prices: sugar 4 cents/lb, coffee 15 cents/lb, eggs 14 cents/doz.
- Average wage: 22 cents/hr.
- Average annual income: accountant $2000, dentist $2,500, mechanical engineer $5,000.
- One in 10 adults couldn't read or write, and only 6 percent had graduated from high school.
- Ninety percent of doctors had no college education. Instead, they attended medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and by the government as "substandard."

[Creed Malay]

- Marijuana, heroin and morphine were all available over the counter at corner drugstores.

Can I borrow your time machine, Eric?

[m0ds]

Interesting thread. I'll add my two cents and 1/8th skunk..

I'm twenty years old, and i'm quite surprised at how people a mere five years younger than me are so different. There's a lot I never realised about younger people so I'm quite sure that parents, who are what, twenty to thirty years older than me - have no conception of what's going on in the modern world today, (or at least, very little).

Just the other day my dad came back from some part time work and said, "You know, today was the first time I've smelt canabis and known it was canabis." I can't believe he's never smelt that smell before and not known what it was. And he's 59.

I'm 20, and I've known what cannabis has smelt like since I was about 16 or 17. My friend Huw has known since about 14, and other people in the town who I've said previously are much younger, have known all about canabis since 11, maybe younger.

People a few years younger than me are what I call the internet generation. I was generation Y (I think), my ex - Beth, I'd then consider to be generation Z, and my friend Huw, I'd consider to be the start of a new generation, "A".

The internet has opened up so many ways and brought to life to many thruths about the world that younger kids have nothing to be scared of. They're now aware that there are thousands if not millions of other people with similar interests to them and they hardly have to go out and look for someone, cos they can just chat to people with similar interests over the net. They can almost freely view porn, violence etc. They can rip music, games and what not.

The other day I was talking to someone who said he wasn't fond of using email. He said that on the internet you can just be a "name". No-one knows what you look like, sound like - nor even your real personality. You can disappear with the click of your fingers and you can basically act how you want. I can shout at you all and tell you to f*ck off and you'd probably reply; "LOL!!1" but IRL you'd probably smack me.

That way, kids think they can get away with a lot.

Parents, yes, I agree have probably one of the biggest effects on how their children act, etc. I've recently come to the conclusion that during the 20 years of my life, my parents "have" shaped me to a degree, and I think this'll be the same with most people. I have some of my dad's tendancies, and some of my mums, no matter how hard I try and tell myself and others that I'm nothing like my parents, and that I've tried not to be like them.

Younger parents are much more flexible. I'm adopted, and I speak to my biological mum over MSN, she's younger, easy going, smoker blah de blah... She's a different generation.

A lot of younger parents IMO don't even seem to bother to much about their kids. They let them do what they want these days to far more a degree than I was ever aloud.

Someone mentioned music, and role models. It was a very good comment. All these bad-boy bands and such a like gives kids role models of becoming gangsters, ho's, etc. And what is up with music these days? So many songs featuring swearing these days - there's no constraint and I find that sad. The parental warning sticker means nothing, to anyone these days. They should put ratings on some music titles for sure. When I worked for Virgin it was obvious how younger kids would come in and buy Eminem albums and stuff which quite obviously are just going to blast their ears with swearing etc, telling them how to "Fuck the world!" and "Fuck you! I won't do it!", "I'm going to fuck you good and hard!" etc etc.

On the upside, younger people seem to be far more intelligent, and on the even further upside, I've noticed that a lot of people do change, or "grow up".

There's a number of induviduals that I know in this town that used to be complete twats. However, more recently, they've turned into pretty "safe" people and have grown up to a degree. One guy, Richard, who kindly used to beat me up at school when we were about 15, has recently started talking to me, being friendly etc and apologising. He was explaining how he doesn't like fighting anymore and just wants to get on with his life. This is the case with the other people that I said have "changed" to "safe" people.

I see the main problem in kids under the age of 18. They're the ones that don't see much ahead of them IMO. A lot of them don't seem to realise how important education is and what not because they have other things to look forward too, like parties at the weekend and joints etc.

Which brings me to drugs. I smoke pot, and I love it. I don't smoke often but anyday I'd choose it over drinking. And I really still can't understand why a recreational drinker would argue that drinking is better than recreational drug smoking.

Getting stoned is relaxing, you have some great conversations and great inspirations. Drinking makes you loud, aggressive, disorientated... Yes, pot does make you get paranoid, but only if you smoke it in excess! The same way if you DRINK in excess you get a fuck off fat belly and die of alcohol poisoning etc. FAR more people die from "drink" related incidents than people who smoke dope. Plus, I'd MUCH prefer to meet a "stoner" in the street than a "drunkard", a drunk would be unpredictable, where as someone who's stoned would be more likely to just chat with you, compliment you etc.

I really, really have a problem with anyone who says pot is bad when they haven't even tried it, probably for fear that "one joint" will get them addicted and they'll never be able to stop again. Which is bullshit. Drug smoking in this country is almost as big as drinking, the only difference is we don't have hash-houses. The police KNOW people smoke dope and so do teachers etc, but there's nothing they can do about it.

Huw explained how lots of kids in school are stoned when they go to lessons. Back when I was in school, no-one would be stoned. Perhaps one person might be drunk, but not stoned.

But this doesn't mean I approve of kids who are 14 etc smoking dope. They shouldn't. They shouldn't drink either.

On the other hand, those in generation A are having a great time, and there's nothing we can do to stop them. Creativity is winning the world over nowadays, kids are becoming very talented. Perhaps even more academic. They're getting laid, drunk, stoned.. They don't see a problem.

So the world is fucked. We can't just turn the internet off. Shops are now interograting computer systems to do everything - pen and paper is slowly being abolished. Fuck it all.

* m0ds is angry now

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[Migs]

I was just in the mood for a disgrunted ramble last night.  I'm not really that bothered by the state of the world, and despite how I may have come across, I don't really think it's all that bad.  It's up to parents to teach their kids what's right and what's wrong, but you can't neglect the free agency of children.  Children aren't as mindless as some people seem to think they are, and if they really want to be good, they will be.

I think sometimes we expect parents to do too much, and then are too quick to blame them when their kids misbehave.  Of course, it's one thing to be in possession of cocaine, which is itself a pretty dumb thing to do, but then also be dumb enough to leave it around so your 4 year-old can get it and take it to school.  You can't expect kids to be good if the parents aren't good role models.

EDIT: I have no idea what canabis even is.  I've never heard of it.  Maybe that's a good thing.

EDIT 2: MrColossal, don't give too much credit to what I said (I just felt like rambling incoherently), but what I initially meant by "civilized world" was how close-knit communities act.  In smaller societies around the world, everyone is responsible for watching out for each other, because the community depends on total interaction.  An internal symbiotic relationship is essential to a smaller community's survival.  In our large industrialized societies, everything has become impersonal and people are capable of subsisting without relying on any "community" as I defined it.  This is just a common trend anthropologists have long recognized in the development of societies.  You could argue over whether this is good or bad, but community closeness is something that has been lost to us.  The loss of community closeness is what I was incoherently lamenting, and what I meant by "a truly civilized world."

Although it's not really worth trying to clarify my original point, since my original point was stupid, I think your misconstrued the logical conclusion.  It's not that rules and regulations have created societal degradation, but how people conduct themselves around others that may have done so.  People have just evolved a different notion of what is appropriate cultural behavior.  It's not necessarily wrong (in the cultural sense as a whole)...just different.  We "traditionalists," if you will, just have to learn to adapt to the changing world.

[AndersM]

I dunno if it has something do do with 'What the f*** is wrong with kids these days?!?!' but Swedish police has during the last year begun to use Counter-terrorist weapons and hollow-pointed bullets (banned by the Hague-convention since 1899) against 'normal criminals'...

[Timosity]

I agree with Mods about pot, It isn't as bad a drug as it is made out to be but don't get me wrong, it can be very addictive, and can take over if you aren't sensible with it.

A regular pot smoker (daily) doesn't really get effected by it that much, (tollerance is a bitch) If you use it rarely you get the full effects every time (but these effects are different for everyone)

It used to piss me off that a drug like alcohol could be legal & at the same time a less evil drug was illegal. (a debateable point) but these days I really couldn't give a shit.

I don't touch the stuff anymore, but I don't have a problem with anyone else using it.

I know a Pub in London that is like one of those cafe's in Amsterdam, My brother inlaw's brother runs it, I don't know how it works cause I'm sure it's hard to keep that sort of thing quiet, but I think it's a possitive step in getting closer to legalisation or decriminalisation, cause surely cops know about it seeing as I do half a world away.

As for Alcohol being cheaper than pot, it really depends on how much you drink compared to how much you would smoke.

A lot of people would spend over $100 a night at a pub or club, get drunk and have nothing much to show for it the next day, maybe a hangover

If you spend $100 on Pot you'd get much more value for your money, and hopefully you'd still have some the next day/week/month (depending on your habbit), no hangover (infact if you get drunk and have a hangover the most brilliant cure is to smoke some pot)


Most people that are against any drugs are people that have had nothing to do with them, they believe what they hear through the media. Sure a lot of people have had friends/kids/parents that have had bad experiences or seen what they can do, but you can't make any assumptions about anyone else, it's up to the individual to realise if it is a problem for them or not.

Teaching that drugs are bad at school doesn't work, Putting people in gaol doesn't work, There's only one solution. "Free letterbox samples for all"


It isn't healthy to smoke pot, you still may get cancer or other diseases.

There is a lot of so called "experts" that think pot makes you permanently lose your short term memory.... hang on I forget.......  oh yeah, it doesn't at all, sure when you smoke it you definately forget things (like where you're driving) but you also pay a lot more attention to other things (like the leaves on a tree)


Drug debates will go on for a lot longer yet, but pot is a lot safer for people that don't have addictive personalities.


There are also many levels of pot smoking just like there is drinking alcohol, eg. some people smoke one cone/bowl/bong (to a lesser extent J/spliff/reefer) and that's all they need or want out of it. I used to smoke half an ounce a week, 10 cones in a row was good for a couple of hours. That level is really addictive you get similar withdrawal effects as Herion (as described in medical journals) after half a day without using.


One thing that also pisses me off is so called "professionals" that say people can't change, cause it's just simply not true.

Note: I'm not saying drugs are good, It's individual choice, I choose not to these days, but it's not smart to make any argument without experiencing them first hand (and not just once, cause you have to know the actual cycle and how it effects you first, and that changes day by day [and you probably have to have been there if you understand what I mean])

Have a cone for me Mods

[Nine Toes]

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[Peter Thomas]

- The average life expectancy was 47 years.

But not because people drove drunk and killed innocent civillians on the street

- The top three causes of death were pneumonia/influenza, tuberculosis and diarrhea

Correct. Today they are Alcohol, Suicide and Murder (not necessarily in that order. Also, the list may change according to country and state...)

- There were only about 250 reported murders in the entire U.S.

And this is meant to make us feel how lucky we are in today's society?

Okay... I'll stop there. I can see this post is beginning to look like a 'pick my argument to pieces' thingo. Which I don't intend it to be. I fully agree that in some respects, life back then was harder. But people made more sense.

After much thinking, and a fair bit of research, I have changed my mind, and come to agree that being stoned is better than being drunk. But that doesn't make it OK to go and get stoned. Some of my best friends got stoned and loved it, so I'm not trying to judge anyone here, but drugs are stupid. People complain that crack is banned, while acohol is not - and I agree that it's weird, but there's a REASON why it's banned, and it's NOT because it promotes harmony and world peace.

On another note, kids don't CARE about their education, and it's because of TEACHERS (oh, the irony!!) as well as parents. Sure, they want you to do well, but I couldn't quote the number of times my high-school teachers used to say "Well....this isn't the end of the world. You don't NEED university (read - college) to make a living."

And then kids interpret this as an excuse to turn up stoned to class and smoke in the toilets and generally be stupid. HOW DUMB!!! HOW DUMB? I remember some friends from high-school who altered their dailt timetable to include 'smoking in the downstairs toilets' time and 'smuggling vodka from building K to building B while teacher takes daily coffee break.'

This just proves general dumbness of kids today. I'm waiting for some random guest to stumble upon this thread and start spewing forth proof of how I'm wrong. I'm desperate for some reason to be happy again.

[Fuzzpilz]

I agree that modgeulator's selection of factoids was a little weird, but he does have a point.

However, some research using Google (on that note: reliable worldwide statistics of this kind are annoyingly hard to find) tells me that the three most important causes of death today (in the so-called "Western world", that is) are heart diseases, cancer, and cerebrovascular diseases (mostly ending in strokes, I assume), followed by respiratory diseases, diabetes and accidents (not necessarily in this order). Many of these cases may be alcohol-related but there's no way it's anywhere near one of the top three causes. Not that I don't think alcoholism isn't a problem.

Also, it looks like you're getting crack (cocaine) and cannabis-based drugs (active substance: THC) mixed up. Don't. These are two rather different pairs of shoes.

Sully - avoid the "prestigious people in the past did it, so it MUST be good!" argument. Though I personally have never tried it, nor plan to, I have nothing at all against adults using cannabis recreationally (unless they overdo it, of course), but people in the past generally knew less than we do now. They had the zaniest ideas about these things.

[Nacho]

Jeckyll seems to be a cool guy, but Hyde seebs to bea little bit hothead...

I can accept that marihuana makes less damage than cigarretes... I also think than jumping from a 10 storeys building makes more damage than jumping from a 2 storeys one, but I wouldn't jump of one of that neither...

In addittion, I should say that, whereas marihuana alone makes less damage than cigarettes, when combined (the usual way of smoking it) the effects of tobacco are multiplied by 20... (But probably the Doctor who said this, a professor in one of the most famous Unisversities in Spain, is a fuckface, of course...)

[sarcasm]So... Washington smoked pot? Ok... Cool! let's imitate the presidents of the US!!! I'll order to kill 17,000 civilians in Iraq while Monica Lewinsky makes me a blowjob[/sarcasm]

*The previous sarcams means: Are allways the presidents of the U.S. a model to imitate? NO*

Yes: Pot is legal in Armsterdam, making one of the most beatifull cities in Europe a cave with entire neighbours full of yonkies and whores... And no... It's no legal in the rest of Europe.

[kaaZ]

to farlander:

1 Pot is not legal in Amsterdam...they tolerate it which is different..
2 They have the same policy in other countries in europe ( Belgium,   switserland) maybe a bit more strict than holland but still...
3 It's obvious you've never been in amsterdam...calling it a cave full of whores and yonkies...

[Nacho]

Yes, I've been in Amsterdam, and some of the streets were depressing and disgusting, also, for me it's quite depressing that most of the youth in Europe goes there, not for knowing the lovely Holland or Armsterdam, just for the Coffee-Shops... Notice that I've located the whores and the yonkies in some neighbourhood, and thay I told that it's one of the most beautiful cities in Europe.

EDIT: I am not expert in dutch laws, excuse me, but if I can go to a place and freely buy marihana and smoke it, I think it was not such a crazy idea of mine to think that it's legal...

EDIT EDIT: ( ) I think that I must make clear something, because my previous post can be missunderstood, and a missunderstunding when talking of people of places can be awfull...

Amsterdam has an almost unique offer that no other city in Europe can compete with... It has coffee shops. Is all the youth who goes there a bunck of drug-addicts? No, but undoubtelly, a high breakdown of people who goes wants to life a pot experience... This does not necessarily implies that the young people who goes there must have a savage party including sex-o-rama and whores, but there is a high probability. Amsterdam is like the nowadays Hamburg of the 60ies... It is a guarantee of night life, lived by foreigns...

That means that Armsterdam's nights are not the healthiests in Earth... Can we blame it to the Amsterdam people? No, most of the people having savage parties in Amsterdam's nights are Spanish, brits, French... We can't even blame on them, they're just young people having a good time, it can probably be the most savage expierences they'll have in their whole year, let's them allow to enjoy it... But we can't deny that this is bringing negative aspects to the city.

I know what means if a city focuses in some way its turistical activity in "young foreign people having party"... I live in Benidorm, a 60,000 people town which reaches 500,000 people during the Summer season. There are entire streets focused to provide alcohol and dance to the Brits... Do I blame the Brits? No... I understand they want to have fun, I will even bring all the miteneers there if I arrange Mittens '2005, that places are really funny... But sometimes there are killing or fights between "hooligans" and police... I like the place, but I don't like that things going on all nights.

I can say that some streets in my town are turning into a cave full of yonkies and whores, and I don't feel like I am insulting my town, or its people.

If the previous post has disturbed you, excuse me, but I keep my oppinion that Amsterdam has focused in some specific kind of tourism that is very unhealthy and destructive... Like Benidorm.

[kaaZ]

no offence intended...just correcting some words you brought as facts...I find it sad aswell that ppl tend to visit holland just for the hashbars...ofcourse its totaly understandable that people do visit a hashbar once in holland ( and they should...since it's kinda becoming dutch culture) just as sightseeing windmills, tulips and such...

EDIT:

We can't even blame on them, they're just young people having a good time, it can probably be the most savage expierence they'll have in their whole year, let's them enjoy it

Totaly agree on that one......And I couldn't disapprove on it cause I tend to do the same thing when I'm in a foreign city...though I like to visit the countryside aswell...
And yeah in some way it is destructive but isn't that the case with most good things in life..apart from having sex

[Nacho]

I've posted the edit while you were posting your... read it, I think you'll find the resemblances between your town and mine interesant.

And thank you for the "no offence attitude" the same I have...  Sorry for the missunderstanding

EDIT: On the other hand and going on with Sully's, I must say that I agree with him about the legalization stuff, because, even having taken the decission of not smoking it, I think that:

1) It would remove the feeling of "exclusivity" that Amsterdam has about the hash shops. If people in Spain could go to a "hash shop" to buy it's grass, they would go to Holland to know the culture better than the sexoramas...  

-And more important-

2) It will be a healthier stuff (I am not racist, but, well, hehe... You know that the hashish is compacted by the saliva of Moroccan guys splitting and beating it? And let's not forget that it's been transported in the annus of illegal inmigrant)

(Talking of the hashish resine, called "Chocolate" in Spain, not the the grass itself)

3) It would be cheaper... I think that 12 euros for a two inches pill of cannabis resine it's excessive...   If legal, people wouldn't  have to pay a price inflated by all the intermediaries who deal with it...

4) Mafia's won't earn money with it. It's a fact that Al-Quaeda used the cannabis dealing net in Spain to commit the terrorist attacks in Madrid (Even the dynamite dealed was paid with Hashish...) I would be inmenselly happy if this mob net dissaprears...

And now... gotta go to preppair a joint...