Would you really define this as "vulgar"?

[TheYak]

I wouldn't label it "vulgar" so much as "gratuitous".  That said, gratuitous segments in movies, games or any other form of entertainment don't bother me provided there's some substance lurking beneath it all.  My preference would be to avoid having attention directed towards my game because of it, but rather people enthusiastic for the game's other merits.  I'd also prefer the challenge of conveying sexiness without it necessarily being derived from percentages of naughty bits revealed.  I do like the artwork, though, and wish you the best of luck in completing the game you want to make despite any negative opinions.

[MrColossal]

Yes Captain, that was clarified to me when I first read your thread in the GiP forum but comments like:

"Now, this character is not like this for arbitrary reasons but revealing too much about her would rather spoil the story."

Confused me, I think in order to debate this clearly [here, Squinky's blog, AG forums] you should make it known clearly.

And I love the idea that revealing too much about her would spoil things, since she's revealing a ton to me as it is! Hehe

[big brother]

From what you've told us about the project, it seems like it has a relatively serious story. The realistic style of the art supports this. Sure LSL boasted a bounty of busty bazungas, but the series was slapstick. Your game, on the other hand, seems moody and grave (the amnesia bit is a narative device usually employed in epic tales). Throwing in a skimpy outfit and tits (isn't nurse on the same level as cowgirl and cheerleader?) detracts from the player's suspension of disbelief.

Boobs do not offend me in any way, but they don't make sense here. If you are totally set on having them and the nurse's outfit in the game, I would suggest redrawing them so they actually look like large boobs you might see in real life, not some Japanese cartoon.

[Mordalles]

they do this in anime all the time. no matter how serious the story. in fact, do you need help with animating her?Ã, 

[Darth Mandarb]

This is just dangerous ground ...

I'm not opposed to the ammount of skin being shown.  I'm not opposed to having a sexy female character.  I am opposed to using it just to draw attention but you say that it has something to do with the story that you won't reveal (to not spoil the game) so I will refrain from any "moral" objection I might have.

I have a female lead character in my game (see sig) and she's heavily dressed.  We play down her sexuality totally.  Yet she still comes across as sexy.  There's a fine line to be towed.

I'd say the only objection I have to the skin shown is the REDICULOUS ammount of silly / childish comments I had to delete from the GiP thread (and the objectionable ones I felt forced to leave in there)

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

I've already addressed many of your concerns in the aforementioned areas, so...

Look on the bright side: you're getting extra publicity for your game, and I'm getting five times more comments than usual on my blog. Everybody wins!

[Tuomas]

I take it that it means you do get comments on your blog? I never get any on mine, though I do nothing for it, don't really even want comments...but yes, it seems this is a frutal subject.

[lo_res_man]

On a nicer topic, the art is uber well done. I really like how you did the other close up. who is that charactor, he looks really cool. oh and a critic on the nurse. 1) the chin looks wrong, too pointy, 2) the red cross looks tilted and and pasted on the shirt sleeve, it pops out and doesn't curve to the shape of the shirt.
keep up the quality work.

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

I take it that it means you do get comments on your blog? I never get any on mine, though I do nothing for it, don't really even want comments...but yes, it seems this is a frutal subject.

Well, yes. I'm an attention whore.

Where is your blog, anyway?

[LimpingFish]

Male gamers who complain about female game characters portrayed in a sexist light are possibly the funniest creatures this fish has ever come across.

Why not complain about obscenely pumped up male characters in video games being an unrealistic depiction of average "Maleness"?                   

Why are the "Comic Relief" male characters in videogames always skinny nerds, or fatties? Why are they always obsessed by horror movies, technology and pr0n?

Why are male heroes generally Hip Hop Wannabes or Semper Fi Jarheads?

Because of one thing: Lowest Common Denominator.

The "Her tits are just there to sell the game" argument is old. Old and tired.
We KNOW thats why they're there. The company that made the game put them there. On the cover. With pointy nipples.

Prince Of Persia: Warrior Within had a lead female character wearing three straps of leather across the cheeks of her behind. She may have well have been bare-assed.
Did it help sell the game? Maybe. Or maybe the upping of beheadings and gore did. Or maybe the new "Emo" prince and his RAWK soundtrack did.

Frankly, I could give a rats ass.

Offended by female game characters? Tough.

Offended by male videogame characters? Tough.

Nobody is asking you to buy or play or watch something that offends you.

The only reason we don't run into LCD syndrome in adventure games much is that nobody buys the bloody things anymore.

Give your female characters gravity defying knockers if you want, hell have them naked if you want. Give your male characters ripped pecs, and 12 inch wangs in their pants, if the mood takes you.

Does it undermine the charcter or the game? Maybe. Can a game have such qualitys and still be regarded as "serious"? Who knows.

People seem to like the Tomb Raider games, which contain some of the most overtly misogynistic views on "Femininity".

Do I have a point? I don't know, I'm tired from all this typing.

Form your own damn opinions on the subject.

BTW, I'm playing Doom 3 at the mo. Is it just me, or are no females employed by the UAC? Are they not good enough to work on Mars?

[Haddas]

But what about Gordon Freeman?

[m0ds]

I don't find it offensive, but you really can't say her boobs don't say "Masturbate all over me", because they do. Lara Croft, in my eyes - was an eye opener in CG boobs, and ever since then developers have seen the appeal. It is appealing to a lot of gamers, but when you step into the AGS community (and adventure games) you realise that players prefer the people behind the image. For a serious adventure game its definitely questionable. She could be a really incredibly interesting character, but with such a suggestive outfit and such suggestive boobs it's hard to take her seriously, and it's hard - at least for me - to accept that she was drawn with anything other than "sex icon" in mind.

Still, we can't escape boobs and we certainly can't escape huge boobs and as I said at the beginning, who am I to complain controlling a busty nurse. I just won't be taking her as seriously as I might a more proportioned woman!

[LimpingFish]

Gordon Freeman. I KNEW someone would bring him up!

The nerd as hero, is a lesser reccuring theme.

Of course, mOds, they do. But is that why people are offended? Because a character may bring about a sexual response from the gamer? Does a character have to be overtly sexual to do that? A lot of game journalists commented on the attractiveness of the lead female character from Beyond Good And Evil. She remained fully clothed throughout the game, but male gamers found her attractive. Should she then be labled as sexist?

[MrColossal]

I think we all do have our own opinion on the subject.

And we're talking about this particular game, why do I have to speak on nerdy characters or strong male stereotypes?

I take your rant as general and not directed at anyone then, Fish?

[Pesty]

Okay, so maybe I'm not enough of a feminist, but I couldn't care less if a girl in a video game has torpedo boobs. It made me chuckle to see how popular their GiP thread is, and I know it's because of the girl with the large breasts and tiny, revealing nurse's shirt. But I don't feel offended, and I really could care less.

That's how I felt about Tomb Raider, too. So many people made such a fuss about the main character's breasts and I was just like "so?" If nobody had said anything, I wouldn't even have noticed. The fact that the character is a strong, intelligent (well, not when I'm playing her) person who is good at shooting dinosaurs and stealing things is all but lost in the arguments of "Oh man her boobs are big she's being OBJECTIFIED". Get past the breasts and see the character within! Making such a fuss about it objectifies women more than ignoring it.

[LimpingFish]

Yes, its a general rant. I wasn't pointing fins at anyone. 

"Get past the breasts" is a very good point. And one that applies to both arguments.

[m0ds]

But is that why people are offended? Because a character may bring about a sexual response from the gamer?

Yes, I beleive so. I don't know whether it's because they personally find boobs offensive or because they're taking a more mature approach and taking into account younger players - who may not necessarily be offended themselves but they're being subjected to something slightly sinister, perhaps? I dunno... I wish I could draw tits like that.

I wouldn't say what you've drawn is vulgar, at all - like I said, boobs happen. And some are pretty big! Honk! But you're bound to offend someone. Crazy frogs cartoon penis offended a whole bunch of people but what d'you expect? You shove innuendos into mainstream but shoving nudity & nipples in there isn't going to win you much, I doubt. Sure it'll please some, but they'll probably just keep quiet about it

Anyway. I'm glad your "vulgar" nature only stretched to boobs, I thought I was going to be subjected to anal sex, necrophillia or rebirth or something...that WOULD have crossed my threshold!!! (But probably not boyds )

[LimpingFish]

All great artists are defined by how they draw breasts.
And to a lesser extent how the draw the female rear.

Thats...how I...j-judge great art...anyway.

[m0ds]

Chris, did you know I drew Jenna Jameson?

Yessssidid!

[LimpingFish]

Then, you sir, are a great artiste.