Would you really define this as "vulgar"?

[LimpingFish]

Christ on a bike, you take these things seriously, Eric.

I glad I'm done arguing too.
Arguing with you makes my head hurt.

I must make a note that your opinions hold president over mine. Its something that will save me a lot of typing in the future.

[MrColossal]

Who said I was taking things too seriously? You're the one getting bent all out of shape. Points were raised and it appeared that you ignored them and moved on to another one about how the story, because it involves mystical elements, can't be considered a serious story, which lead me to believe that you weren't really reading what people were writing.

Because I disagree with you all of the sudden I'm acting like I know more than you and your opinions aren't valid. Explain the logic please. But in PM, this is not the place.

[LimpingFish]

No. I'm done.

My opinion: Storywise, or otherwise, the character seems fine.

Eric? I was wrong. You don't take things seriously. I would PM you extensive details about how I came to this conclusion, but I'm afraid you might reply, and then where would I be?

Regards,
Your friend, LimpingFish.

[Kinoko]

I just...

I know someone else has done it, but at the end of my post, I'm gonna quote LimpingFish again because it really is a beautiful piece of work he did there.

People, unrealistic breasts or no, she's a damn fine piece of ass, right? I want to congratulate you on not drawing her blonde, blue eyed and SASSY I like the whole straight brown hair thing (erm... no reason!) and she has a really, really cute face. Let's face it, the whole game looks insanely impressive in terms of artwork at the very least. Turn your eyes from the "scary" nipples if you must but it's really fantastic artwork!

Since we're all expressive opinions, I happen to think O.S. Squinky's blog was pretty stupid, and LimpingFish already covered why I think that. Sometimes I get sick of playing games with women who are only there to be sexual, but most of the times, it's because I feel a character is UNSUCCESSFULLY "sexy". When I see a genuinely beautiful and genuinely sexy character, she can walk around naked and fight crime with a dildo for all I care - in fact, please do. Most of the time when I get shitty at girls being sexual in games and most of the time, movies, it's because she's a kind of dowdy "sexy". Sarah plain and tall, girl next door "sexy", or just cliched sassy and loud and/or wearing a leather cat suit (Trinity from the Matrix really rubs me wrong way - boy is she not sexy at all)... that'll annoy me.

The way I see it, either have a girl in a movie playing the same function as any male character, by which I mean playing any kind of role, the ugly, the nerdy, the professional, the old woman on the park bench, the boss, the janitor, the mother, the out of work lawyer, the... you know, person... playing a -person- and not there to be the love interest just because they're the female in a group of men. Yes, be THAT sort of character in a film, OR be the sexy chick - in which case, be genuinely sexy! And OP (I can't remember your name), I likey your female character. Almost soley based on the fact that you've given her a really, truly pretty face. I hate it when people draw big boobs and expect that alone to make a woman sexy (Lara Croft comes to mind). Thankyou for remembering beauty.

And since -I'm- an attention whore, here's my (ollllld) website

-> http://kinoko.futariba.com

Which feature plenty of oversized (I would argue well-sized) breasts on pretty girls.

...and I am, in the future, planning on making a hentai game ^_^ (though it will have a certain twist *ahem* I won't say what).

So yeah, back to LF's well-written words.

Male gamers who complain about female game characters portrayed in a sexist light are possibly the funniest creatures this fish has ever come across.

Why not complain about obscenely pumped up male characters in video games being an unrealistic depiction of average "Maleness"? Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, 

Why are the "Comic Relief" male characters in videogames always skinny nerds, or fatties? Why are they always obsessed by horror movies, technology and pr0n?

Why are male heroes generally Hip Hop Wannabes or Semper Fi Jarheads?

Because of one thing: Lowest Common Denominator.

The "Her tits are just there to sell the game" argument is old. Old and tired.
We KNOW thats why they're there. The company that made the game put them there. On the cover. With pointy nipples.

Prince Of Persia: Warrior Within had a lead female character wearing three straps of leather across the cheeks of her behind. She may have well have been bare-assed.
Did it help sell the game? Maybe. Or maybe the upping of beheadings and gore did. Or maybe the new "Emo" prince and his RAWK soundtrack did.

Frankly, I could give a rats ass.

Offended by female game characters? Tough.

Offended by male videogame characters? Tough.

Nobody is asking you to buy or play or watch something that offends you.

The only reason we don't run into LCD syndrome in adventure games much is that nobody buys the bloody things anymore.

Give your female characters gravity defying knockers if you want, hell have them naked if you want. Give your male characters ripped pecs, and 12 inch wangs in their pants, if the mood takes you.

Does it undermine the charcter or the game? Maybe. Can a game have such qualitys and still be regarded as "serious"? Who knows.

People seem to like the Tomb Raider games, which contain some of the most overtly misogynistic views on "Femininity".

Do I have a point? I don't know, I'm tired from all this typing.

Form your own damn opinions on the subject.

BTW, I'm playing Doom 3 at the mo. Is it just me, or are no females employed by the UAC? Are they not good enough to work on Mars?

[MrColossal]

Then we would have a dialog and clear up any misconceptions or misunderstandings there may be and fix them. But if you think I'm mean and will yell at you over PM or something then so be it.

[Pesty]

Dear Everybody who thinks Eric hates them,

Eric doesn't hate you. But I do. Secretly I'm formulating your demises.

Love, Pesty.

P.S. I'm pretty sure when I said "get past the breasts" I meant it as "everybody shut up now about boobs".

P.P.S.
I would define everyone in this thread's faces as "vulgar".

[LimpingFish]

Dear Mom,

Everything is fine. People here are really nice. Thanks for the cookies.

Your loving son,
LimpingFish.

PS. Tell dad I'll pay for the broken skylight when I get home.

[Kinoko]

Pesty, I'm gonna kick you in the nuts for that comment about my face.

(Are you a girl? Do you have nuts?)

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

Now you can give them a chance to do this and judge based on a finished product, or you can write an inflammatory piece based on first glance.Ã,  Personally, I prefer to pass judgement, if at all, based on a complete work, which is only fair.

True, but I'm more criticizing the way they're advertising the game (as well as the silly drooling OMGBOOBIES responses it seems to be getting) than the game itself.

While I'm at it, perhaps I should address the following oft-repeated inquiry:

Male gamers who complain about female game characters portrayed in a sexist light are possibly the funniest creatures this fish has ever come across.

Why not complain about obscenely pumped up male characters in video games being an unrealistic depiction of average "Maleness"?Ã, 

The reason why people don't complain about pumped-up male characters in video games is because big muscles are actually useful when it comes to running, jumping, and beating up bad guys. They're not there just to look good. Big boobs, on the other hand, have no practical purpose in a video game*; if anything, they'd give the character horrible back pains and slow her down. They're obviously only there to please adolescent boys.

This may not be a problem for most people who post on these forums, but I don't like it. It supports the objectification of women, which I am completely against. Like I'm sure I've said before, you may claim that a busty woman in a video game has a strong, intelligent personality and therefore is not being objectified; however, the fact still remains that the unnaturally large tits are there, and that they don't accentuate her skills or her personality, existing only for the sake of eye candy.

* Unless, of course, it were a game about fembots whose boobs were actually guns or something cool like that.

Since we're all expressive opinions, I happen to think O.S. Squinky's blog was pretty stupid, and LimpingFish already covered why I think that.

Why exactly do you think my blog was stupid? In that post of his that you quoted, it didn't seem like he was making any kind of point at all, except that people should be able to make whatever kinds of games they want. And it's not as though I'm petitioning to have the game's production shut down or anything; I'm just complaining about the fact that I don't like what they've done.

If you're saying that I'm stupid because I don't like women being depicted as sexy (for no reason other than the audience's pleasure), well, I don't know what to say. I could easily say that you're stupid because you do like women being depicted as sexy and you're supporting your own objectification, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you have good reasons for thinking the way you do, even though I may not agree with them.

[Pesty]

Pesty, I'm gonna kick you in the nuts for that comment about my face.

(Are you a girl? Do you have nuts?)

Metaphoric ones. And I'd appreciate it if you didn't kick them, vulgarface. You might get your taint on them!

[Kinoko]

I wouldn't say I'm supporting my own objectification as much as I'm supporting the objectification of -other- women so I can enjoy it. Ã, 

I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said on my side of the argument though. I said I think your blog post was stupid because that's the thought that came into my mind when I read it. To clarify though, I do not think -you- are stupid, you're clearly intelligent. I think it's silly to make an issue out of things like this, for all the reasons that have already been said by various people.

Pesty: VULGARFACE?! How did you know my Gothem City super villain alter-ego?!? That does it, I'm winding my foot up Le Chuck style to kick your metaphorical nuts into your metaphorical throat.

Here I go...!

...

*Ka-blooey!!!!!*

[MrColossal]

Define "make an issue" please.

I mean, she just wrote about it on her blog and the game creators asked for feedback. As Old School Squinky said, no one is demanding the creators do anything they don't want to do [as far as I have read]. It's just people discussing things. Which is why I was so surprised by LimpingFish's comments against me.

If you think her writing about it is making an issue then fine but everything written in this thread was brought up by the game creators themselves.

[Kinoko]

I think people are getting needlessly serious and upset about something very trivial. Just either say, "Dude, that chick's hot!" or "Whoa, dude, they're gonna poke my eyes out. I don't think I can play that game, sorry" and leave it be. I think she made it an issue when she posted her blog on the thread. He never asked what people thought about large breasts in the video game industry, he just asked for the standard stuff we all ask for when we post about our games.









(Eric loves Squinky!  )

[Domino]

I could care less about boobies, i am more of a leg man myself.

Could anybody get offended by a nice pair of legs? 

[LimpingFish]

The reason why people don't complain about pumped-up male characters in video games is because big muscles are actually useful when it comes to running, jumping, and beating up bad guys

Actually, some pumped up heroes might be slowed down, what with their muscles wieghing so much. And fitting though regular sized doors must be a pain. I wonder if they have to have two seats on a plane? Can they find a nice shirt to hang on their grotesquely defined traps?

In real life guys that pumped up walk like they have a pole up their ass, so I doubt they'd be executing any double overhead flying kicks in a hostile martian landscape.

Like I'm sure I've said before, you may claim that a busty woman in a video game has a strong, intelligent personality and therefore is not being objectified; however, the fact still remains that the unnaturally large tits are there, and that they don't accentuate her skills or her personality, existing only for the sake of eye candy

I claim nothing of the sort. You however seem dead set against the idea that a such a character could exist.

And unnaturally large? Do they not have large breasted women anymore? Did Playtex outlaw them so they could make their bras all the one size, thus cutting their overheads?
Also, that happens to be one of the funniest reasons for not having breasts in a game. No useful purpose. And from a woman no less.

Who said I was taking things too seriously? You're the one getting bent all out of shape. Points were raised and it appeared that you ignored them and moved on to another one about how the story, because it involves mystical elements, can't be considered a serious story, which lead me to believe that you weren't really reading what people were writing

Eric, I ignored points, mmm, I wasn't reading the thread. Ah.
Yes, I can see how I would mistakenly feel that this was a personal attack. Silly me.

[IM NOT TEH SPAM]

I just think this whole thing is silly.  I hate the "OMGBOOBIES" comments, but the whole "just-because-she-has-tits-its-objectification" philosophy bothers me even more.  It's not vulgar.  It's a pixilated drawing, for god's sake!  Sure, I can understand saying things about magazines and movies and other types of real life things that could actually objectify and destroy egos.  (I don't agree, but i understand).  But this is the world of video games!  It's a freakin' animated drawing!  Get over it, mabye you'll be happier that way.

If somebody gets horny looking at pictures of non-existant pixilated images made in MSpaint, then fine, whatever... just let them have that.  No need to crap in their cornflakes.

(I'm not sure if I'm acting like a jackass in this post, it's just that I feel very strongly when it comes down to video games on this matter...)

EDIT:  I find it kind of funny, I'm being so passionate about an issue of which my opinion is "don't take it so damn seriously"...

EDIT2: 

Who said I was taking things too seriously? You're the one getting bent all out of shape. Points were raised and it appeared that you ignored them and moved on to another one about how the story, because it involves mystical elements, can't be considered a serious story, which lead me to believe that you weren't really reading what people were writing

Damn, now i feel stupid....

[Kinoko]

Well said, Nipper my friend. Sorry, sorry, Lord Nipper ^_^

I just think people should chill out a little more. Most of the women in Leisure suit Larry aren't to my tastes at all but I love those games, and I love their ridiculous over-the-topness. Those games objectify everything! Even fruit, and vases, and sea creatures.

LimpingFish once again makes an excellent point... those overbuilt bodies men often have in films are NOT good for the kinds of stuff they do. Strongmen in circuses lift weights and horses with pretty women on them and that's about it. The acrobats are skinny men.

EDIT: And since most of the feats these kinds of men perform in video games are impossible anyway, it just doesn't matter.

[voh]

Now, let's burn some embassies until the big boobs are covered and apologies are made!

[MrColossal]

The double funny thing is that there is body building and strength training.

There is a 145 pound female olympic athlete that can lift twice her own weight because she has trained her strength up. She is toned and not muscley.

Body building is building up muscles so they are large, that does not mean someone is strong. So if you punch Arnold Schwarzenegger in the tummy [back in his prime] he could possibly have doubled over and cried!

Fish: I like how you are obviously still upset and yet you refuse to want to clear the air. I'm sorry for any bad feelings my post gave you but you were becoming quite tiring and if you don't like the fact that I said it seemed like you were ignoring points then why not address them? Again, I'm sorry that you're upset. I already suggested a way to make things up between us but you refuse. That's your choice.

[Kinoko]

Fish, get on the PM and sort it out. It's silly if there's left-over animosity in such a usually friendly community like this.