Would you really define this as "vulgar"?

[m0ds]

Hehehehe Actually, did a hardcore AGS game ever get released? I remember wanting to cover that area originally but nowadays I'm not so interested. I'd still play a game of that nature - not because I want the simulated sex, but because I'm pretty open minded. Which AGS game features the most sex??

[LimpingFish]

I don't think anybody has ever done a "Hentai" style AGS game.

"Alien Rape Escape" was an existential critique on sex in videogames, rather then a tittyfest.

*cough*

And "Flashbax" has a wank scene.

But other than that...

EDIT: Oh, and Quest For Orgy had some sexual content.

[lo_res_man]

what about the LSL2 mouse remake? anything like sex in THAT?

[LimpingFish]

You tell me. I never played it.

[lemmy101]

Male gamers who complain about female game characters portrayed in a sexist light are possibly the funniest creatures this fish has ever come across.

Why not complain about obscenely pumped up male characters in video games being an unrealistic depiction of average "Maleness"?Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, 

Why are the "Comic Relief" male characters in videogames always skinny nerds, or fatties? Why are they always obsessed by horror movies, technology and pr0n?

Why are male heroes generally Hip Hop Wannabes or Semper Fi Jarheads?

Because of one thing: Lowest Common Denominator.

The "Her tits are just there to sell the game" argument is old. Old and tired.
We KNOW thats why they're there. The company that made the game put them there. On the cover. With pointy nipples.

Prince Of Persia: Warrior Within had a lead female character wearing three straps of leather across the cheeks of her behind. She may have well have been bare-assed.
Did it help sell the game? Maybe. Or maybe the upping of beheadings and gore did. Or maybe the new "Emo" prince and his RAWK soundtrack did.

Frankly, I could give a rats ass.

Offended by female game characters? Tough.

Offended by male videogame characters? Tough.

Nobody is asking you to buy or play or watch something that offends you.

The only reason we don't run into LCD syndrome in adventure games much is that nobody buys the bloody things anymore.

Give your female characters gravity defying knockers if you want, hell have them naked if you want. Give your male characters ripped pecs, and 12 inch wangs in their pants, if the mood takes you.

Does it undermine the charcter or the game? Maybe. Can a game have such qualitys and still be regarded as "serious"? Who knows.

People seem to like the Tomb Raider games, which contain some of the most overtly misogynistic views on "Femininity".

Do I have a point? I don't know, I'm tired from all this typing.

Form your own damn opinions on the subject.

BTW, I'm playing Doom 3 at the mo. Is it just me, or are no females employed by the UAC? Are they not good enough to work on Mars?

Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã,  Ã, i think you're my new hero

[LimpingFish]

 

[lo_res_man]

I would just like to say that though I don't think of the woman's breasts as "vulger" it is inappropriate. not in a "shame, shame!" granny wagging finger kind of way, but in a style wise kind of way, now yes, lara croft has big breasts and she's a strong charactor and ya de da, but as well lara croft is a kick butt adventure seeker. the clothes she wears, while revealing, are  semi-appropriate for her "job"  now lets take a look at this charactor. this is an adventure GAME main charactor. by the sounds of what trickles of story we are getting from the developers this game is serious in nature. while they can do whatever they want, I think that this LOOk is for this main charactor is a bit wrong. you can do whater you guys want, but I agree it is a bit hard to take this charactor seriously when she has such "features" it makes her seem a sex figure, not some one to care about what happens to them.

[LimpingFish]

April, the main character in The Longest Journey, spends the first few locations running around in her underpants.

The Longest Journey.

The "This is the best Adventure Game EVER in some peoples opinion (not mine)" Longest Journey.

If you view female sexuality as "Not something I can take seriously in a character" surely this  says a lot more about how we view women, than pixellated baps do?

[MrColossal]

You're confusing the issue.

April Ryan looks like a girl. The main character of this game looks like a surgically altered big breasted porn star [well maybe not porn star, she isn't covered in makeup/semen].

Someone can run around in their underwear and not be sexual, as far as I remember she wasn't masterbating while she did this.

Calsoon ran around in his underwear in 2 games. Showing skin isn't the issue. The issue that some people have is that the character's looks don't seem appropriate to the game subject matter.

But as has been said, all we want is the game creators to have fun and make a game they want to make. I vast majority of people have no problem with that and wish them the best of luck, me included.

[LimpingFish]

Appropriate in the size of her breasts, the skimpy uniform, what? I mean the vibe I'm getting from this thread is "Overtly sexual women are stupid. And not to be taken seriously. And damage what might otherwise be a good game."

And that vibe seems to be predominately coming from male ags'ers. You can see where I could become confused here.

"Someone can run around in their underwear and not be sexual, as far as I remember she wasn't masterbating while she did this."

She also wasn't wearing a string vest and granny pants. If you're saying the fact that she wasn't overtly sexualized, somehow makes her appearence in white panties and a cut off t-shirt more acceptable, or less demeaning, than surely this is a double standard.

My point: Surely dismissing a female character because she is portrayed in a sexual light is more sexist than the character herself?

Again, I'm not pointing at anyone.

[big brother]

Absolutely on target, Eric.

Boobs/cleavage/scanty outfits aren't inappropriate unto themselves. However, in the context of the information revealed about the game, they are. It's just something that will stand out like a cartoon character in a noir detective film.

Perhaps a lot of anime does this (not Miyuzaki!). The ones that do it most are targeted to young adolescent boys anyways. Many who aren't in that target won't take it seriously either.

If you're making this game for 13 year olds to drool over, then you've got a good start.

[lo_res_man]

You're confusing the issue.

April Ryan looks like a girl. The main character of this game looks like a surgically altered big breasted porn star [well maybe not porn star, she isn't covered in makeup/semen].

Someone can run around in their underwear and not be sexual, as far as I remember she wasn't masterbating while she did this.

Calsoon ran around in his underwear in 2 games. Showing skin isn't the issue. The issue that some people have is that the character's looks don't seem appropriate to the game subject matter.

But as has been said, all we want is the game creators to have fun and make a game they want to make. I vast majority of people have no problem with that and wish them the best of luck, me included.

I agree, make whateve kind of game you want, I'll probebly even play it.this is just my own opinion.
and no Limpingfish, I don't have a problem with female sexuality. I am a champion of a womans right to be whover she wants to be. As I said, I can take lara croft seriously, and I can take april ryen seriously as a charactor. and given enough STORY and charactor development, I hope to take this one seriously as well its just that she doen't APPEAR to be a very serious charactor. The STORY looks interesting, and I hope to play this game, when its completed.
[edit]
lets hope this game has more than drool factor

[LimpingFish]

Boobs/cleavage/scanty outfits aren't inappropriate unto themselves. However, in the context of the information revealed about the game, they are. It's just something that will stand out like a cartoon character in a noir detective film.

If you're making this game for 13 year olds to drool over, then you've got a good start.

You see, here is where I strongly disagree. In European fantasy fiction, some of which is held in high regard, a character such as this could be found in everything from the Young Adult to Adults Only sections of a comicbook store.

Have the makers of this game expressed a desire that this game should be played by all the family?

I would class this character in a PG-13 sense. In that regard I see no problems with it.

That opinion again: I see NO problem, morally or otherwise, with how that character looks.

EDIT: Presumably, lo_res_man, you don't champion the rights of sexy nurse types.

[lo_res_man]

I wouldn't say moraly, I would say "stylisticly" (is that a real word?) what I mean is the charactor has big boobs just for the sake of big boobs. the developers admited that themselves. I dislike this not for any moral resons, but because there is no REASON for it.I don't mind sex in (or sexuality ) in games or movies, I just dislike it when it doesn't further the plot in any way. the other charactor shown has a serious sombre look about him, the other , the leading lady, doesn't seem to fit with the mood of the game. But its your game, and If you want to do it this way, fine! go ahead, I will even play it. its YOUR GAME. make some magic. but this my opinion and its as avalid as anyones and visa versa.
[edit] thats cause sexy nursy types are FICTION, how many sexy nursey types do you KNOW?
ps big brother? "who framed roger rabbit" had a ton of that. toons in noir, that is.

[Matt Goble]

Hehehehe Actually, did a hardcore AGS game ever get released? I remember wanting to cover that area originally but nowadays I'm not so interested. I'd still play a game of that nature - not because I want the simulated sex, but because I'm pretty open minded. Which AGS game features the most sex??

So Kinky Island is no longer on the cards then?

:'( 

[MrColossal]

Appropriate in the size of her breasts, the skimpy uniform, what? I mean the vibe I'm getting from this thread is "Overtly sexual women are stupid. And not to be taken seriously. And damage what might otherwise be a good game."

And that vibe seems to be predominately coming from male ags'ers. You can see where I could become confused here.

In case no one else made sense to you:

You have quite an awkward vibe towards this thread. One can make a game where a cartoon character has serious issues, but in my opinion this certain cartoon character seems to contrast poorly with the little bit of story we were given. I don't think anyone here was talking about if they were morally against the character. Stylistically or storywise, yes.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

Oh I dunno, Eric, seems to me that quite a few people are up in arms about the character purely based on appearance.  I do agree that the serious nature of the game seems to warrant a character that has a more professional and less, well, playful air about her, but as the authors have said numerous times they intend to explain her, for lack of a better phrase, fish-out-of-water appearance.  Now you can give them a chance to do this and judge based on a finished product, or you can write an inflammatory piece based on first glance.  Personally, I prefer to pass judgement, if at all, based on a complete work, which is only fair. 

Also, lemmy and Binky: Stop reading these posts and make the game.  If you feel as strongly as you claim about your sovereign right to develop your adventure the way you want to, do so without regard or concern for the opposition.

[LimpingFish]

Storywise.
Ah, yes I see. Because this is such a "serious" story, what with strange mystical girls who live in faraway forests and save everybody from the apocalypse.

Who are we to say how well she fits in? Maybe sexy nurse types are all the rage in The Forgotten Element.

And isn't the name of this thread "Would you really define this as "vulgar"?"

Everything I've posted has been on topic. Whoever introduced the storywise angle, surely they diviated off topic?

EDIT: Actually, ignore this post. I'm tired of arguing.

[Theme]

whats the problem with big boobs?

o/

[MrColossal]

I'm glad you're done arguing LimpingFish, it didn't seem like you were really reading anything I or other people were saying.

Progz, if your whole post was directed at me then I would like to know where I wrote something inflammatory.

And just to say this again, I'm not opposed to them doing whatever they want. I love them all the same and hope they have a kick ass time making games.