Would you really define this as "vulgar"?

Helm · Sat 04/03/2006 02:38:08

There's going to be a test on this in two weeks. Be prepared. You can leave for now.

modgeulator · Sat 04/03/2006 02:39:37

Thank you, sir. May I have my gameboy back now?

MrColossal · Sat 04/03/2006 02:42:19

Nickenstein, I'm sorry, but you ask many questions that have been answered many times in this thread. The creators of the game asked for our opinions, giving us a "right" to speak about it, yes no?

Read my response to TerranRich and tell me your opinion please.

Nickenstien · Sat 04/03/2006 02:51:03

MrColossal. They asked "Would you realy define this as "valgar" ?) They certainley didnt ask if anybody thought the images were inappropriate for a story that they havent yet been told.

Helm · Sat 04/03/2006 02:58:41

QuoteThey asked "Would you realy define this as "valgar"

no they didn't.

modgeulator · Sat 04/03/2006 03:01:51

Is Valgar the woman's name?
I could imagine "Valgar" would have big breasts like this, but she'd also have a double chin and a viking helmet. They should fix that ASAP.

big brother · Sat 04/03/2006 03:56:41

Quote from: Nickenstien on Sat 04/03/2006 02:34:37
I don't remember the part about it being all 'serious'. It mentions a problem (the failing crops and onset of famine or some such thing) and its seems clear that a solution must be found, but there is nothing to indicate that it needs to, or will be handled in a 'stern' or 'serious' manner.

It's a stylistic issue, rather than a narrative one.

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The logo for Herculean-Efforts games sports an Image of Atlas holding up a bowling ball instead of the globe. Surely an image of Hercules himself rather than a completely different god would be a much more 'appropriate' image.

One of Hercules' tasks involved holding up the globe in Atlas' stead. It would be hard to design a logo that visually differentiates Hercules from Atlas in an easily apparent manner. Hence the word "Herculean" to give the viewer a clue. Is it really that far-fetched?

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It's your logo not mine, and I have no right to criticise it even if I hold the opinion that it's inappropriate or simply a poor choice of image. And the same goes for Captain-Binkey's art work; it must be very annoying for him to read â€œinappropriate for the story blah blahâ€ over and over.

It would be impolite to criticize my logo, since I did not submit it for your approval. However, Cap'n B SPECIFICALLY STARTED THIS WHOLE THREAD TO GET FEEDBACK. If he didn't want opinions, why would he start this? Gray matter, people, it's not just for breakfast these days.

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Additionally, quite a few people have stated that because the girl has big boobs they wouldn't be able to take the character seriously, and that this would spoil the game for them.

For me it's less about the boobs themselves and more about the rendering.

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1.) Personally I never â€œtook Guybrush Threepwood seriouslyâ€, but that certainly doesn't stop the MI games from being absolutely awesome!

SMI never took itself seriously. The game self-references, breaks the fourth wall, and sports anachronisms. Did you really think it tried to be taken seriously???

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2.) It raises a very disturbing issue indeed!

If certain individuals can't take a woman seriously because she has large breasts, then they are harbouring some very offensively discriminating views. These people are basically saying that if a woman has large breasts then she is a bimbo, she is incapable of functioning as an intelligent individual, and is not someone that they could possibly conceive being able to perform any useful/complex function, JUST BECAUSE HER BOOBS ARE LARGE! Shame on you!!!

She's not a real person. She is an admittedly idealized exageration of the female form drawn by a hormone-influenced artist. I mean, the nurse outfit isn't exactly subtle. What people can't take seriously is the idealization, not the concept of a female protagonist possessing front seat airbags.

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And in the same breath you attempt to make out that the game-designers are somehow perverted or sexist when ITS YOU that categorically state you can't take a woman seriously if her boobs are big!

Who are you talking to? I didn't draw her; she's not my fantasy. How am I a hypocrit? Have I contradicted myself?

Snarky · Sat 04/03/2006 04:03:24

Of course, you'd never depict a woman in such a blatantly sexualized way, bb.Ã,Â

But yeah, a lot of people are reading the criticism incorrectly.

No one is saying that boobs are vulgar. They're saying that cheap softcore graphics are vulgar. The argument isn't that players can't take a woman with big breasts seriously, it's that it's more difficult to take the character seriously when she has clearly been designed to stimulate adolescent impulses. It doesn't really matter if the game provides an elaborate excuse for why she has to have big breasts and a tiny nurse's uniform, because it's pretty obvious that she looks like that in order to provide some T&A.

The Inquisitive Stranger · Sat 04/03/2006 07:23:22

Quote from: Nickenstien on Sat 04/03/2006 02:34:37
I myself plan to start a closed-minded self-righteous puritan extremist blog about the finished game, regardless of its quality just to be an asshole. ;DÃ,Â (Joke)

Hey, it was just one entry that took about two minutes to write. Has anyone here ever read the rest of my blog? Did anyone even recognize the fact that much of what I wrote in there was tongue-in-cheek?

Also, it astounds me how people often define open and closed-mindedness incorrectly. Being open-minded doesn't mean you have liberal views, and being closed-minded doesn't mean you have conservative views. It has more to do with how willing you are to evaluate and take into account the opinions of others, no matter how liberal or conservative.

Helm · Sat 04/03/2006 07:25:37

QuoteHas anyone here ever read the rest of my blog?

Yes

TheYak · Sat 04/03/2006 12:58:37

Quote from: The Inquisitive Stranger on Sat 04/03/2006 07:23:22
Quote from: Nickenstien on Sat 04/03/2006 02:34:37
I myself plan to start a closed-minded self-righteous puritan extremist blog about the finished game, regardless of its quality just to be an asshole. (Joke)
Hey, it was just one entry that took about two minutes to write. Has anyone here ever read the rest of my blog? Did anyone even recognize the fact that much of what I wrote in there was tongue-in-cheek?

Defensive, much? Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions here, but after the first reading and upon re-reading it, that Nick segment seems more for poking playful fun at the creators and reactionism in general than directed towards your blog entry. While I don't necessarily agree with everything in your blog entry, I find the views therein understandable. That said, I don't think there's anything someone would label close-minded or puritan. Breathe deeply.

The Inquisitive Stranger · Sat 04/03/2006 16:01:36

Sorry, but considering that I'm the only person who blogged about this particular game, it just seemed as though the comment was directed at me specifically.

Raggit · Sat 04/03/2006 20:16:25

Wow this thing just keeps rolling! :o

LimpingFish · Sat 04/03/2006 21:37:19

And staggers, drunkenly, in new and unexpected directions!

Just for the record, I re-read The Inquisitive Strangers blog again , slowly and with much furrowing of brow.

Then I realised that I hadn't directly commented on it throughout this thread.

I don't like it. Its not her argument, or her opinions, but her apparent smugness. Her assumptions. Her apparent eagerness for finger wagging.

It also contributes little, to the larger issue of gender stereotyping or much else, except a snide dismissal of Captain Binky and his friends work.

All of which, of course, she is entitled to do.

It was also short.

That, I liked.

skyfire2 · Sat 04/03/2006 21:39:48

hurray! boobies!

Raggit · Sat 04/03/2006 22:15:37

Quote from: skyfire1 on Sat 04/03/2006 21:39:48
hurray! boobies!

LOL, there's some more gasoline for this fire!!

Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens · Sun 05/03/2006 03:09:06

I like how some people seem to forget the positively shameless nudity displayed in such classics as Monkey Island 2.

The Inquisitive Stranger · Sun 05/03/2006 03:30:55

Oh, I remember that part. And not only did I write puritanical narrow-minded blog entries about it, but I went and picketed outside the LucasArts building (accompanied by various right-wing religious groups and radical feminists, of course) as well!

Helm · Sun 05/03/2006 05:06:35

The biggest problem I have with opinion blogs, OS squinky's blog in that sense, is that they contain opinions. Every time I read a large post by OSsquinky I go 'gah! pain! rationalizations... hurt.. brain!' but that really isn't her fault at all. She finds it important to have, and expound on, generalized opinions that seem to put order and reason in the world... just like you, Limpingfish. You're all rationalizations and generalizations too. You say she's smug about it, and I say you're trying to be funny about it when you're not. Both are irritating in their own special way.

There might come a time when both of you and other opinion people (as I used to be 100%) will realize how much the sets of words you use to talk about reality fail to ghrasp both the intricacy of the design, and the interactivity of it's various disparate parts, and you might see that these discussions here have more to do with feeling good, challenging our brains and having fun than they have to do with actually understanding reality or anything of the type. You then will look back on posts and posts of opinions you've put online and you'll see a bunch of words in a row.

TheYak · Sun 05/03/2006 05:16:58

Quote from: The Inquisitive Stranger on Sun 05/03/2006 03:30:55
Oh, I remember that part. And not only did I write puritanical narrow-minded blog entries about it, but I went and picketed outside the LucasArts building (accompanied by various right-wing religious groups and radical feminists, of course) as well!

I was there too, though I was picketing the Sam & Max abortion mini-game that was (thanks to our efforts) removed from the final product.

As for my previous post, as stated I've no idea what Nick meant by the phrase, but default to interpretation with the least belligerence in the interest of civility. I find the conversation that the thread's spawned rather interesting, but better suited for discussion in a more real-time format so potential miscommunications can be promptly corrected.