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Title: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 23 May 2020, 12:44
I thought I'd try to revive one of my favorite forum games, introduced by Kumpel in this thread (https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54576.0). The aim of the game is to solve a crime riddle:
OK?
Let's start with an easy one:


Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on 23 May 2020, 13:17
Are both pills the same?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 23 May 2020, 14:08
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?


No (wrong)



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 23 May 2020, 14:09

Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 23 May 2020, 14:13
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on 23 May 2020, 14:19
My second question: did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 23 May 2020, 14:56
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on 23 May 2020, 14:59
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 23 May 2020, 15:06
(Just to clarify, Ali, you can ask more than 5 questions for the whole case. Just not between each time I update with answers to the questions so far.)

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Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?

Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 23 May 2020, 15:22
Are the victim and murderer related?

Did the pills contain some kind of technology?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on 23 May 2020, 15:59
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Frodo on 23 May 2020, 16:04
Maybe the murder wasn't intentional. 

Did the victim choke? 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 23 May 2020, 16:20
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Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?

Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke?
[But I had to consider this one carefully]


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on 23 May 2020, 16:21
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Sinitrena on 23 May 2020, 16:24
Did more than one person die?
Did the victim know beforehand they would die?
Was the death quick?

Edit:

Are all involved human?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 23 May 2020, 18:20
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 23 May 2020, 19:59
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Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?

Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Are all involved human?



No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on 23 May 2020, 20:58
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 23 May 2020, 21:11
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 23 May 2020, 21:34
I KNOW!!!

A man took a sleeping pill and a laxative before going to bed and died from embarrassment at the outcome.

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(I know this doesn't fit the case but I couldn't resist reusing this old Dave Barry joke)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on 23 May 2020, 23:47
Is the pill an abortion pill?

I'm REALLY hoping it's not that, otherwise we gotta a controversy ova here.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 24 May 2020, 00:37
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?

Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?

Was money involved in the motive?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 24 May 2020, 07:17
No fear, Ali.
And nice one, Mandle. With your experience in this game, I expect you've already solved the case?

I wish I'd given you another detail or two about the case, since I'm now realizing that by mentioning only the pills, you have nothing else to go on and few other avenues to explore. As a hint: I would try to figure out the nature of the pills before guessing at how they were used in the murder. The relationship between victim and murderer could also be a useful piece of the puzzle.

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Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?

Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Are all involved human?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Was money involved in the motive?



No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 24 May 2020, 08:38
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?

I'm going to assume "Yes" and try a solution:

The murderer stood to profit from the death of their relative (e.g: A child gaining the parent's inheritance).
They both shared the same genetic allergy to something (let's say peanuts).
The child prepared dinner for both of them and sprinkled peanut powder on the parent's dinner.
The child then took a dose of the medicine to prevent the allergic reaction before eating the dinner. Perhaps the child took two pills so it would look like they BOTH took the pills AFTER the allergic reaction began.
They both ate the dinner and the parent suffered the allergic reaction and died but the child was saved by the medicine.

(I see a few flaws in my theory but what the heck)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 24 May 2020, 09:13
I was thinking along similar lines but with bee stings, but we now know stings weren’t the cause, so it could be peanuts.

I need clarity on something, knowing that one pill would have been enough to carry out the crime:

Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Frodo on 24 May 2020, 09:38
The relationship between victim and murderer could also be a useful piece of the puzzle.


Hmm, that comment caught my attention.   :sealed:
We're assuming that 2 people are involved here.  BUT...

Are the victim and the murderer, one and the same person? 

I'm thinking that maybe 1 person took the pill\s, not realising it would kill them. 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 24 May 2020, 09:41
I need clarity on something, knowing that one pill would have been enough to carry out the crime:

See, I'm thinking this response from Snarky might mean that the crime could have been committed with only one pill but  the killer might not have gotten away with it without taking two pills.

Hence my theory that he/she took two pills from a previously unopened bottle to make it look like both of them didn't know the food was contaminated and had both taken pills after the symptoms began. Of course that would be revealed as false in an autopsy but if the story fools the police enough there won't be an autopsy as the death was not considered suspicious.

Maybe they were worried that a pill washed down the sink or thrown away in the trash might be discovered?

Hmmmm, so many holes in my theory but maybe Snarky might give a nudge if it's even slightly on track.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 24 May 2020, 09:44
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 24 May 2020, 10:34
A lot of cool theories, but sadly the truth is much less clever than that.

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Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?

Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Are all involved human?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Was money involved in the motive?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are the victim and the murderer, one and the same person?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on 24 May 2020, 10:41
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 24 May 2020, 10:48
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 24 May 2020, 11:23
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 24 May 2020, 12:02
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 24 May 2020, 12:38
I guess Ali also asked the same question, but I'll make the question more clear...

Does "take a pill" equals "ingest  a pill"?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?  ;)
Is the murder a child of the victim?

EDIT:
Did the murder took the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?

(also it would be nice if you also carried the original thread question along with the answers, maybe under hide tags as well)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 24 May 2020, 13:12
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on 24 May 2020, 14:03
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 24 May 2020, 15:51
(also it would be nice if you also carried the original thread question along with the answers, maybe under hide tags as well)

Yes, if only Snarky had thought of doing exactly that...  (laugh) (laugh) (laugh)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 24 May 2020, 16:19
Evil you  :P ... for some odd reason I didn't noticed it  :-[

EDIT:
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Just checked the thread, now I think why I didn't noticed it... Cause the 1st few didn't had it, and my brain just ignored anything about the answers afterwards as "off topic" chat...  (roll) )

EDIT 2: Uhm, seems like the new forum can't auto close the tags either, like it did before.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 24 May 2020, 16:28
Are the pills against diving sickness?

Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?

Did they find treasure?

Oh well...connect the dots to see what my theory is...
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 24 May 2020, 16:35
Evil you  :P ... for some odd reason I didn't noticed it  :-[

Hehehe... oh by the way, just because I'm an English teacher currently out of work I'll just mention an easy hint about a grammar point I don't think you are aware of because I've seen the same slight issue in your posts over the years:

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If you use a previous past-tense term in a sentence then you don't usually use another past-tense term within that same sentence. There are exceptions in a complex sentence, but as a general rule in simple sentences it should be "I didn't notice it" and not "I didn't noticed it".


i wouldn't usually try to correct a European's English as you guys are usually much better at English than actually native speakers spelling and grammar-wise, but in this case it's such an "easy" rule i thought I would mention it.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 24 May 2020, 16:51
I suck at grammar... even my own mother language. So it doesn't surprise me that I do that and don't even notice it.  :) Thanks... (though expect me to do it again since I rarely stop to think about grammar...)  (roll) (laugh)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 24 May 2020, 22:36
Just to be clear, there are no shenanigans around the meaning of words beyond what you have already figured out: the pills were not used to poison or directly kill the victim; they served some other helpful purpose in the crime.

Edit: I've reconsidered the answer to one of the questions and corrected it below.

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Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?

Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Are all involved human?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Was money involved in the motive?
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?
Does "take a pill" equals "ingest a pill"?
[Yes, although the case description says "carried out using two pills", not "take a pill"]

Corrected: Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are the victim and the murderer, one and the same person?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"? [I haven't used the word "taken"?]
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?
Is the murderer a child of the victim?
Did the murderer take the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Are the pills against diving sickness?
Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?
Did they find treasure?

Corrected: Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 24 May 2020, 23:13
Are the murderer and the victim siblings?

Does the victim know that the murderer took a (or two) pill(s)?

Is the cause of death drowning? (Not choking, but close...)

Does the nature of the pill reveal new information about the murderer?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 24 May 2020, 23:24
Was the pill a drug used to steady the nerves or stop shaking?

Was the murderer a sniper.

Was the victim aware they were about to be murdered In the moments before the act?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 25 May 2020, 10:52
Were the pills taken as suppositories?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Pogwizd on 25 May 2020, 11:02
Was there any liquid drunk after taking the pills by both persons?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on 25 May 2020, 12:42
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"? [I haven't used the word "taken"?]

I meant, in answering yes to questions including the word 'taken'. But, that's good to know.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 25 May 2020, 17:05
Since the list of questions was getting long, I've broken it up by topic. Again, I would suggest narrowing down the nature of the pills a bit, and maybe working out the relationship between murderer and victim, before guessing at how the murder was committed.

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Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?


What: The Pills
Yes
Are both pills the same?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?

No
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Are the pills against diving sickness?

Was the pill a drug used to steady the nerves or stop shaking?
Were the pills taken as suppositories?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]

Does the nature of the pill reveal new information about the murderer? [I suppose that depends on how good you are at drawing inferences.]


Who: The Murderer and Victim
Yes
Are the victim and murderer related?
Are all involved human?

No
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Are the victim and the murderer one and the same person?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?
Is the murderer a child of the victim?

Are the murderer and the victim siblings?


How: The Murder
Yes
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Does "take a pill" equals "ingest a pill"?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?

No
Did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"?
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Did the murderer take the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?

Does the victim know that the murderer took a (or two) pill(s)?
Is the cause of death drowning? (Not choking, but close...)
Was the murderer a sniper.
Was the victim aware they were about to be murdered In the moments before the act?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]

Was there any liquid drunk after taking the pills by both persons? [Do you mean both of them drinking the same thing, drinking from the same container? Either of them drinking something?]


Why: The Motive
Yes
Was money involved in the motive?

No
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Did they find treasure?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 25 May 2020, 18:19
Is the murderer the parent of the victim?

Would the murderer also have died if he/she had not taken the pill?

Are the genders of the murder/victim relevant?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 25 May 2020, 19:08
Did the murderer ingest the pills of his own will? (as in, he was not forced to take them)
Did the murderer brought the pills to the crime scene?
Did the murder and the victim lived under the same roof?
Did the murder knew he was going to kill the victim before hand?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on 25 May 2020, 19:44
Are the pills painkillers?
Do the pills prevent motion sickness?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 25 May 2020, 22:42
Was the victim already in hospital?
Was the victim the grandparent of the murderer?
We’re the pills intended for the victim?
Is it because the victim didn’t take the pills that he died.
Could this killing reasonably be described as euthanasia?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 25 May 2020, 23:45
Aha! You're taking several steps closer. I'm worried you'll be annoyed when you learn the solution…

(though expect me to do it again since I rarely stop to think about grammar...)  (roll) (laugh)

You weren't joking!

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Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?


What: The Pills
Yes
Are both pills the same?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?

Are the pills painkillers? [Among other things]

No
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Are the pills against diving sickness?
Was the pill a drug used to steady the nerves or stop shaking?
Were the pills taken as suppositories?

Do the pills prevent motion sickness?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Does the nature of the pill reveal new information about the murderer? [I suppose that depends on how good you are at drawing inferences.]


Who: The Murderer and Victim
Yes
Are the victim and murderer related?
Are all involved human?

Are the genders of the murder/victim relevant? [Somewhat]
Was the victim the grandparent of the murderer?

No
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Are the victim and the murderer one and the same person?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?
Is the murderer a child of the victim?
Are the murderer and the victim siblings?

Is the murderer the parent of the victim?
Did the murderer and the victim live under the same roof?
[Hmm, interesting. I'll say no, but it could go either way.]


How: The Murder
Yes
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Does "take a pill" equals "ingest a pill"?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?

Did the murderer ingest the pills of his own will? (as in, he was not forced to take them)
Did the murderer know he was going to kill the victim beforehand?


No
Did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"?
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Did the murderer take the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?
Does the victim know that the murderer took a (or two) pill(s)?
Is the cause of death drowning? (Not choking, but close...)
Was the murderer a sniper.
Was the victim aware they were about to be murdered In the moments before the act?

Would the murderer also have died if he/she had not taken the pill?
Did the murderer bring the pills to the crime scene?
Was the victim already in hospital?
Were the pills intended for the victim?
Is it because the victim didn’t take the pills that he died?
Could this killing reasonably be described as euthanasia?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Was there any liquid drunk after taking the pills by both persons? [Do you mean both of them drinking the same thing, drinking from the same container? Either of them drinking something?]


Why: The Motive
Yes
Was money involved in the motive?

No
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Did they find treasure?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 26 May 2020, 06:45
Did taking the pills have any effect on the murderer relevant to the murder?

Would the murderer have been unlikely to have carried out the murder if he had taken the pills earlier?

Did the murderer take the pills before carrying out the crime?

Did the murderer actually prevent himself from carrying out the murder (but was too late).

Was the victim asleep at the time of the incident?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 26 May 2020, 13:06
Does the murderer suffer from something that normally would prevent him/her from carrying out the murder?

Is the location relevant?

Is the motive inheritance?

Does the pills play a role in giving the murderer an alibi?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on 26 May 2020, 14:06
Are the pills for cold/flu relief?
Was the murderer male?
Was the murderer female?
Was the victim male?
Was the victim female?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 26 May 2020, 15:43
At this point I think you have all the pieces and can put together the solution…

Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?


What: The Pills
Yes
Are both pills the same?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?
Are the pills painkillers? [Among other things]

Are the pills for cold/flu relief?

No
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Are the pills against diving sickness?
Was the pill a drug used to steady the nerves or stop shaking?
Were the pills taken as suppositories?
Do the pills prevent motion sickness?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Does the nature of the pill reveal new information about the murderer? [I suppose that depends on how good you are at drawing inferences.]


Who: The Murderer and Victim
Yes
Are the victim and murderer related?
Are all involved human?
Are the genders of the murder/victim relevant? [Somewhat]
Was the victim the grandparent of the murderer?

Was the murderer female?
Was the victim male?


No
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Are the victim and the murderer one and the same person?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?
Is the murderer a child of the victim?
Are the murderer and the victim siblings?
Is the murderer the parent of the victim?
Did the murderer and the victim live under the same roof? [Hmm, interesting. I'll say no, but it could go either way.]

Was the murderer male?
Was the victim female?



How: The Murder
Yes
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Does "take a pill" equals "ingest a pill"?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?
Did the murderer ingest the pills of his own will? (as in, he was not forced to take them)
Did the murderer know he was going to kill the victim beforehand?

Did taking the pills have any effect on the murderer relevant to the murder?

No
Did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"?
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Did the murderer take the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?
Does the victim know that the murderer took a (or two) pill(s)?
Is the cause of death drowning? (Not choking, but close...)
Was the murderer a sniper.
Was the victim aware they were about to be murdered In the moments before the act?
Would the murderer also have died if he/she had not taken the pill?
Did the murderer bring the pills to the crime scene?
Was the victim already in hospital?
Were the pills intended for the victim?
Is it because the victim didn’t take the pills that he died?
Could this killing reasonably be described as euthanasia?

Would the murderer have been unlikely to have carried out the murder if he had taken the pills earlier?
Did the murderer take the pills before carrying out the crime?
Did the murderer actually prevent himself from carrying out the murder (but was too late).
Was the victim asleep at the time of the incident?
Does the murderer suffer from something that normally would prevent him/her from carrying out the murder?
Is the location relevant?
Do the pills play a role in giving the murderer an alibi?
[Not in the strict meaning of "alibi", no]

Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Was there any liquid drunk after taking the pills by both persons? [Do you mean both of them drinking the same thing, drinking from the same container? Either of them drinking something?]


Why: The Motive
Yes
Was money involved in the motive?

Is the motive inheritance?

No
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Did they find treasure?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 26 May 2020, 17:32
Does the murderer infect the victim with covid-19?

Does she hide her symptoms with the pills?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 26 May 2020, 17:50
I’m gonna attempt to solve it.

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The young woman contracted Covid-19. Due to the lockdown she is fearful of her financial prospects. Knowing that the disease is much less forgiving on elderly people, she decides to pay her old Grandad a ‘visit’. After all, she happens to know that he intends to leave her a considerable sum of money when he leaves. So she visits the old geezer, gives him a kiss, a cuddle and a few coughs in the face and then leaves, popping a few Lemsip tablets in her mouth on the way out. 


...
Oh, seems heltonjon had the same idea as me while I was typing.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 26 May 2020, 18:12
:-D (nod) (nod) (nod) Correct! (nod) (nod) (nod) :-D

Detective heltenjon jumps in first with the correct answer, and also correctly identifies the purpose of the pills: suppress mild COVID-19 symptoms so the murderer could pretend that she was asymptomatic when she visited grandpa. For mild COVID symptoms, paracetamol (Tylenol) is recommended, and in my mind painkillers are always taken in twos (apparently this is something Big Pharma ad-campaigns managed to drill into people decades ago in order to sell more aspirin).

Congratulations heltenjon!

Kudos also to consulting detective Stupot's colorful version of the denouement, which saves me writing up the solution, and to the perceptive Riaise, whose questions supplied some crucial clues in the end-game. Well done!

Stupot's account is only mistaken in two minor details: the purpose of the pills, and (although this is peripheral to the case and didn't really come up) that in my mind the murderer contracted the coronavirus deliberately, knowing that as a young woman her risk of serious illness was relatively low. Pretending to have been in self-isolation and healthy, she could then visit and infect her rich, elderly grandfather and look forward to a healthy inheritance. Tsk, tsk!  (wtf)

Case closed

Thanks to all participants, and I hope it wasn't too frustrating.

heltenjon, do you want to propose the next case or pass it to somebody else?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 26 May 2020, 18:31
Aha. Thanks for that, Snarky.
Well done heltonjon for beating me to it and to Riaise who was also on the right track.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if some grandparents have received some unexpected ‘visits’ recently.

Your explanation though, Snarky, seems to contradict this question which you filed under ‘no’:
Did the murderer take the pills before carrying out the crime?

If it was to suppress the symptoms, surely would have taken them before the visit?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 26 May 2020, 18:45
Yeah, seems like I placed that one wrong. When I was composing the response I scanned the post quickly and thought they were all false except the first one, and just grabbed them all in one go. Sorry about that — fortunately it was at the very end so it didn't matter too much.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 26 May 2020, 19:25
Do people take them in 2s?   (roll) Damn, I never got that memo.... Need to take notice of it.  (laugh)

Actually (as far as I remember) here in Denmark, they do not recommend any pills if you have mild symptoms of covid-19... I think they don't want people to do exactly what the murderer did, and then spread the virus. Just stay home until 48 hours after symptoms have stopped.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 27 May 2020, 01:23
Ahhhhh nice topical case, Snarky!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on 27 May 2020, 05:20
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?

Haha, didn't expect this to be somewhat close  :=
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 27 May 2020, 09:14
Okay, I'll try to think up something. I haven't checked the earlier 58 cases you've solved, so I'll pull one out of my mind and see how it goes.

Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 27 May 2020, 09:38
Is the dead body Anna?
Is the dead body Fred?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 27 May 2020, 12:25
Woo-hoo, new case!

Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 27 May 2020, 12:50
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did Anna and Fred run away from something?
We’re there really 59 cases before this?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on 27 May 2020, 13:42
Firstly, good case, Snarky! It may have looked like I knew where it was headed, but I actually didn't have a clue right up until the end. I was just stumbling about blindly and got lucky with the questions that I asked. ;)

So, on to the next case! :-D

Is the dead body human?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 27 May 2020, 14:15
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 27 May 2020, 17:27
You took good steps right away, so I think you'll work this one out in no time. I can divulge that I have sort of set this in a Scandinavian setting, where gas ovens are far between, but I don't really think that has much to say in the matter of working out what has happened.


Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


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Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?


No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 27 May 2020, 18:24
Is Fred a pet?

Was there any blood at the scene?

Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?

Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?

Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 27 May 2020, 18:55
Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?



Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?

Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?


No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?

Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?

 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 27 May 2020, 19:13
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred?

Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.

Yes, there were (https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54576.msg636589572#msg636589572).
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: dayowlron on 27 May 2020, 19:26
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
Was the table set for 1?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 27 May 2020, 19:41
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 27 May 2020, 19:53
I love this riddle,
but i ask only two questions :
Is Anna human ? (seems not clear to me yet )
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 27 May 2020, 20:00
Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?



Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?

Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?


No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?

It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred?
(Probably not)
 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 May 2020, 20:06
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 27 May 2020, 20:15
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 27 May 2020, 21:30
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 27 May 2020, 21:59

Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?



Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?

Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?


No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)

Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?

 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 27 May 2020, 22:15
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 27 May 2020, 22:46
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 May 2020, 22:47
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water contaminated?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 27 May 2020, 22:48
Mandle, it's been established that Fred is a fish.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 May 2020, 22:49
He probably missed the page change.  ;)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 27 May 2020, 23:36

Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?



Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?

Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
   

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?

I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? 
(Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)
 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 28 May 2020, 01:43
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?
Did Fred's container overflow?

He probably missed the page change.  ;)

Yup
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 28 May 2020, 07:03
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 28 May 2020, 07:31
Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Was Fred cooked?
Did Fred die from lack of water?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 28 May 2020, 08:43
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did the water then come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 28 May 2020, 11:18
You are closing in...I hope you manage the last stretch as well. :-D
I must also say that I think some of your theories are better than the solution. :-[

Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?



Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)

Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?
   
I needed to edit out a "then" from Stupot's original question to avoid misleading you.

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)

Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?
     (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?    (Not really.)
 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 28 May 2020, 11:25
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-))
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 28 May 2020, 12:20
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?

Oh Jesus. That poor fish.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 28 May 2020, 14:34

Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?



Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)

Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?
   
I needed to edit out a "then" from Stupot's original question to avoid misleading you.

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?   (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?   (Not really.)

Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-)
Oh Jesus. That poor fish.
(Nah. His name was Fred.)
 
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Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 28 May 2020, 14:44
Was Fred cooked in a container other than its normal habitat ( bowl, aquarium )
Was Fred's home (bowl, aquarium, whatsoever) located near the sink ?
Assuming the water was cut off, was the electricity cut off as well ?
 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 28 May 2020, 20:57

Not relevant to the case:
Was Fred's home (bowl, aquarium, whatsoever) located near the sink ?

But let's say it's in the kitchen somewhere.

Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?



Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?

Was Fred cooked in a container other than its normal habitat ( bowl, aquarium )
   

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?   (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?   (Not really.)
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-)
Oh Jesus. That poor fish.(Nah. His name was Fred.)

Assuming the water was cut off, was the electricity cut off as well ?

 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 28 May 2020, 21:03
I must warn the budding detectives that the solution, while somewhat funny, is quite silly. :-D
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 28 May 2020, 21:10
Is Anna alive?
Was it the cooking that killed Fred? (Just to make sure)
Did Anna place Fred in this other container?
Was the container a kettle, pot, or other device/piece of cookware designed for heating liquids or holding hot liquids?
Had Fred been in the container for more than, say, an hour when he was killed?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 28 May 2020, 21:55
Detective Snarky ,
i think we're on the same track :-)

Did Anna remove Fred from its container believing it was something else ?
Does the type of Fred's fish species play a role ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 28 May 2020, 22:29
Is "Fred" a popular name for a  fish? ( https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54576.msg636556728#msg636556728 )  (laugh)

Was Anna in the process of cleaning Fred's aquarium?
Did Anna left Fred "sun bathing"?
Did Anna accidentally pored boiling water onto Fred?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 28 May 2020, 23:40
I'll introduce the heading ambigous to my answers now.

Not relevant to the case:
Is "Fred" a popular name for a  fish? You got me there. (laugh)
Was Fred's home (bowl, aquarium, whatsoever) located near the sink ?
But let's say it's in the kitchen somewhere.

Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?



Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?
Was Fred cooked in a container other than its normal habitat ( bowl, aquarium )

Is Anna alive?
Was it the cooking that killed Fred? (Just to make sure)
Did Anna place Fred in this other container?
Was the container a kettle, pot, or other device/piece of cookware designed for heating liquids or holding hot liquids?
   (depending on your definition, perhaps. But definately yes.)

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?   (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?   (Not really.)
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-)
Oh Jesus. That poor fish.(Nah. His name was Fred.)
Assuming the water was cut off, was the electricity cut off as well ?

Had Fred been in the container for more than, say, an hour when he was killed?
Was Anna in the process of cleaning Fred's aquarium?
Did Anna left Fred "sun bathing"?
Does the type of Fred's fish species play a role ?
   (Except for size)
 


Ambigious (where I think saying straight yes or no will be misleading)

Did Anna remove Fred from its container believing it was something else ?
Did Anna accidentally pored boiling water onto Fred?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: dayowlron on 29 May 2020, 03:12
Did Anna want to cook something with water and since her water was turned off she used the aquarium not realizing Fred was in there?
Did Anna leave to go pay the water bill and was gone when the water came back on?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 29 May 2020, 06:17
Is Fred bigger than 3 cm in length?
Would Anna regret or feel sad about killing Fred?
Was Fred boiled in clear water?
Was already hot liquid added to Fred's container?
Was Fred's container heated from outside (e.g. on a stove)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 29 May 2020, 08:47
You made the giant leap required! Now the case can be solved.

Not relevant to the case:
Is "Fred" a popular name for a  fish? You got me there. (laugh)
Was Fred's home (bowl, aquarium, whatsoever) located near the sink ?
But let's say it's in the kitchen somewhere.

Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?



Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?
Was Fred cooked in a container other than its normal habitat ( bowl, aquarium )
Is Anna alive?
Was it the cooking that killed Fred? (Just to make sure)
Did Anna place Fred in this other container?
Was the container a kettle, pot, or other device/piece of cookware designed for heating liquids or holding hot liquids? (depending on your definition, perhaps. But definately yes.)

Did Anna want to cook something with water and since her water was turned off she used the aquarium not realizing Fred was in there?
Would Anna regret or feel sad about killing Fred?
Was Fred boiled in clear water?
  (This could probably be debated, but the already contrived plot needs this to be yes.)

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?   (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?   (Not really.)
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-)
Oh Jesus. That poor fish.(Nah. His name was Fred.)
Assuming the water was cut off, was the electricity cut off as well ?
Had Fred been in the container for more than, say, an hour when he was killed?
Was Anna in the process of cleaning Fred's aquarium?
Did Anna left Fred "sun bathing"?
Does the type of Fred's fish species play a role ?  (Except for size)

Was already hot liquid added to Fred's container?
Was Fred's container heated from outside (e.g. on a stove)?
Is Fred bigger than 3 cm in length?
(He's small, is what you need to know)


Ambigious (where I think saying straight yes or no will be misleading)

Did Anna remove Fred from its container believing it was something else ?
Did Anna accidentally pored boiling water onto Fred?

Did Anna leave to go pay the water bill and was gone when the water came back on?
   (You are asking two things in the same question.)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 29 May 2020, 10:40
Did Anna pour the water from Fred‘s
bowl into a pot to make coffee or tea or
prepare food and Fred accidentally got into
the pot because he was so small and Anna
believed he still was in the bowl ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 29 May 2020, 11:50
Did Anna pour the water from Fred‘s
bowl into a pot to make coffee or tea or
prepare food and Fred accidentally got into
the pot because he was so small and Anna
believed he still was in the bowl ?

This is practically the correct answer, except that it wasn't a pot.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 29 May 2020, 12:04
Electric tea kettle?

I'm still a bit confused about some of the incidental detail, like the breakfast on the table and the open doors. What is Anna doing "now"?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 29 May 2020, 13:27
Okay, I'll count the case as solved. It was a joint effort, with a major breakthrough by dayowlron, but because I like the sound of it:

I am a loser is the winner!  :-D

Here's the plot as I envisioned it:
Spoiler: ShowHide
 Anna woke in the morning, having overslept. She hurried into the kitchen to put on the coffee/tea before hitting the shower. She turned on the tap, but there was no water. She tore the letter from the fridge, squinting to read it, as she hadn't gotten around to her contact lenses yet. "Due to planned maintenance, the water supply will be temporarily closed until (...)" Oh no! She needed to wake up and craved her morning coffee/tea! What the heck, Fred won't mind, she thought, as she scooped up some water from Freddy Fish's bowl, pouring it into her trusted Mocca Master/Coffee Maker/Electric Tea Kettle. Without her contacts, she didn't notice that Fred was also in the scooped water. Anna ran to the bathroom and put on her contacts. No shower today then, but there probably wasn't time for it anyway. She hurried into the kitchen, leaving the door open behind her, ate a quick breakfast in the kitchen and went to work. Didn't the coffee/tea taste funny? That would be the last time she borrowed water from the fish bowl, that's for sure! Pressed for time, she didn't bother to clear the table or close the doors in the apartment. She also forgot to close the tap, which will start running water once the pipes are opened again.

Unfortunately, when she returns home and starts tidying and cleaning, she will also dicover poor Fred. Did he die of the heat (probably) or from the lack of water (probably not)? Anna won't want to think about it.


Admittedly, there are flaws in Anna's logic, and I'm not so sure about how these kitchen appliances work that I can be 100% sure of the cause of death. But you guys solved it, and I hope you had a good time pondering. Feedback as to how to improve the setup are welcome.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 29 May 2020, 13:34
That was fun. Cheers Helten
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 29 May 2020, 14:51
Was great fun !!!
But I only scrounged it,
most work was done by the other participants
Hope there is more to come,
I guess we all need somerhing to cheer us up
in these bad Coronatimes :-(
Thanks a lot for the riddle !!!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 29 May 2020, 18:40
Was great fun !!!
But I only scrounged it,
most work was done by the other participants
Hope there is more to come,
I guess we all need somerhing to cheer us up
in these bad Coronatimes :-(
Thanks a lot for the riddle !!!


Do you want to host the next round, or pass it to someone else?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 29 May 2020, 19:04
I would rather pass it to someone else
I am not a native speaker and
also, i cannot think of a suitable riddle,
lack of fantasy, i‘m afraid
Also, i can't guarantee to be online the days to come
and i would hate to make the community wait
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 30 May 2020, 09:36
Nice one, heltenjon!

Well, if nobody else wants a go…


Case #61: A Perfectly Reasonable and Rational Response
I would have hated Gavin even if my wife hadn't left me for him. ("Gavin and Erin" — how perfect they were as a couple!) "Sporty and outdoorsy," she called him (unlike me), and I knew what that meant: stupid and outdouchey, someone who spends more time on his Fitbit and posting nature selfies (couple selfies, now) on Instagram than following the news or learning things. After the cops slapped that restraining order on me, I couldn't contact them or come within a hundred yards of them or their house, but I didn't need to. I'd be far away when they died.

How did I do it?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 30 May 2020, 09:49
Did he sent a congratulations poisoned wine bottle?
Did he use a drone?
Did he sent a letter?
Did he sent a pack?
Did he fly a plane?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 30 May 2020, 11:43
Did both Gavin and the wife die the same way?
Did he kill them both?
Did someone else kill them?
Did they die at home?
Are Social Networks (like Instagram) relevant for the murder?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 30 May 2020, 12:05
Thanks for taking over Snarky,
I am still figuring out a plot

Assuming, that they haven't died yet:

Will using the Smartphone cause their death ?
Is it manipulated in some way ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on 30 May 2020, 14:14
Was the plan for their deaths already in action before the restraining order was given?
Was the restraining order a result of you doing something to cause their eventual deaths?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 30 May 2020, 15:11
Were the deaths related to sport?
Were the deaths related to outdoorsiness?
Were the deaths related to the Fitbit?
Is our hero a hacker?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 30 May 2020, 22:31
You seem to be on my trail pretty quickly!

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Case #61: A Perfectly Reasonable and Rational Response
I would have hated Gavin even if my wife hadn't left me for him. ("Gavin and Erin" — how perfect they were as a couple!) "Sporty and outdoorsy," she called him (unlike me), and I knew what that meant: stupid and outdouchey, someone who spends more time on his Fitbit and posting nature selfies (couple selfies, now) on Instagram than following the news or learning things. After the cops slapped that restraining order on me, I couldn't contact them or come within a hundred yards of them or their house, but I didn't need to. I'd be far away when they died.

How did I do it?


Yes
Did he send a pack? [I take it you mean a package? Yes, sort of.]
Did both Gavin and the wife die the same way?
Did he kill them both?
Are Social Networks (like Instagram) relevant for the murder?
[Vaguely]
Will using the Smartphone cause their death?
Is it [the smart phone] manipulated in some way?
Were the deaths related to sport?
[Arguable, but I'd say yes]
Were the deaths related to outdoorsiness?
Is our hero a hacker?



No
Did he send a congratulations poisoned wine bottle?
Did he use a drone?
Did he send a letter?
Did he fly a plane?
Did someone else kill them?
Did they die at home?
Was the plan for their deaths already in action before the restraining order was given?
[Not this specific plan, no]
Was the restraining order a result of you doing something to cause their eventual deaths?
Were the deaths related to the Fitbit?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 30 May 2020, 23:18
Did he send the smartphone in the package?
Was the smartphone rigged in some way? [sorry, just noticed this was already asked - I’ll leave it here anyway]
Did Gavin and Erin die outside?
Did he mess with the Phone’s GPS so that the couple got lost?
Were Gavin and Erin eaten by one or more animals?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 31 May 2020, 00:14
Has he sent sabotaged sports equipment for social posing?
Is the package related to mountaineering/climbing?
Is the package related to air sports?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 31 May 2020, 06:02
Was their death caused by explosives ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 31 May 2020, 14:06
Did they live in a "smart house"?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 31 May 2020, 21:15
You're getting very warm. Does somebody want to propose a solution? Maybe try to explain how I knew when I had an opportunity, how I arranged it, and how I ensured that the outcome would (very likely) be fatal.

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Case #61: A Perfectly Reasonable and Rational Response
I would have hated Gavin even if my wife hadn't left me for him. ("Gavin and Erin" — how perfect they were as a couple!) "Sporty and outdoorsy," she called him (unlike me), and I knew what that meant: stupid and outdouchey, someone who spends more time on his Fitbit and posting nature selfies (couple selfies, now) on Instagram than following the news or learning things. After the cops slapped that restraining order on me, I couldn't contact them or come within a hundred yards of them or their house, but I didn't need to. I'd be far away when they died.

How did I do it?


Yes
Did he send a pack? [I take it you mean a package? Yes, sort of.]
Did both Gavin and the wife die the same way?
Did he kill them both?
Are Social Networks (like Instagram) relevant for the murder? [Vaguely]
Will using the Smartphone cause their death?
Is it [the smart phone] manipulated in some way?
Were the deaths related to sport? [Arguable, but I'd say yes]
Were the deaths related to outdoorsiness?
Is our hero a hacker?

Was the smartphone rigged in some way?
Did Gavin and Erin die outside?
Did he mess with the Phone’s GPS so that the couple got lost?



No
Did he send a congratulations poisoned wine bottle?
Did he use a drone?
Did he send a letter?
Did he fly a plane?
Did someone else kill them?
Did they die at home?
Was the plan for their deaths already in action before the restraining order was given? [Not this specific plan, no]
Was the restraining order a result of you doing something to cause their eventual deaths?
Were the deaths related to the Fitbit?

Did he send the smartphone in the package?
Were Gavin and Erin eaten by one or more animals?
[Aww jeez. I guess maybe? But that wasn't part of the plan]
Has he sent sabotaged sports equipment for social posing?
Is the package related to mountaineering/climbing?
Is the package related to air sports?
Was their death caused by explosives ?
Did they live in a "smart house"?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 31 May 2020, 21:29
Was the couple on a hike ?
Did they rely upon the track stored on the map on the phone ?
Did he manipulate the track?
Did they die from falling off a cliff ?
Did they die when it was dark outside ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 31 May 2020, 23:23
We’re they in the desert?

Did our hero know where they would be travelling because they had been posting all about their trip on Instagram?

Were they on honeymoon?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 01 Jun 2020, 12:52
Is the package a smart phone update, e.g. the GPS hack?
Were they at sea?
Did he send them into a storm?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 01 Jun 2020, 13:23
I think it's time to solve it, no?

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Case #61: A Perfectly Reasonable and Rational Response
I would have hated Gavin even if my wife hadn't left me for him. ("Gavin and Erin" — how perfect they were as a couple!) "Sporty and outdoorsy," she called him (unlike me), and I knew what that meant: stupid and outdouchey, someone who spends more time on his Fitbit and posting nature selfies (couple selfies, now) on Instagram than following the news or learning things. After the cops slapped that restraining order on me, I couldn't contact them or come within a hundred yards of them or their house, but I didn't need to. I'd be far away when they died.

How did I do it?


Yes
Did he send a pack? [I take it you mean a package? Yes, sort of.]
Did both Gavin and the wife die the same way?
Did he kill them both?
Are Social Networks (like Instagram) relevant for the murder? [Vaguely]
Will using the Smartphone cause their death?
Is it [the smart phone] manipulated in some way?
Were the deaths related to sport? [Arguable, but I'd say yes]
Were the deaths related to outdoorsiness?
Is our hero a hacker?
Was the smartphone rigged in some way?
Did Gavin and Erin die outside?
Did he mess with the Phone’s GPS so that the couple got lost?

Was the couple on a hike?
Did they rely upon the track stored on the map on the phone?
Did he manipulate the track?
Did our hero know where they would be travelling because they had been posting all about their trip on Instagram?
Is the package a smart phone update, e.g. the GPS hack?



No
Did he send a congratulations poisoned wine bottle?
Did he use a drone?
Did he send a letter?
Did he fly a plane?
Did someone else kill them?
Did they die at home?
Was the plan for their deaths already in action before the restraining order was given? [Not this specific plan, no]
Was the restraining order a result of you doing something to cause their eventual deaths?
Were the deaths related to the Fitbit?
Did he send the smartphone in the package?
Were Gavin and Erin eaten by one or more animals? [Aww jeez. I guess maybe? But that wasn't part of the plan]
Has he sent sabotaged sports equipment for social posing?
Is the package related to mountaineering/climbing?
Is the package related to air sports?
Was their death caused by explosives?
Did they live in a "smart house"?

Did they die from falling off a cliff?
Were they in the desert?
Were they on honeymoon?
Were they at sea?
Did he send them into a storm?



Ambiguous/Irrelevant
Did they die when it was dark outside?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 01 Jun 2020, 13:44
Hell hath no fury like a hacker scorned.

Our hero was royally scorned. After Erin dumped him for Gareth, he stalked them until they got a restraining order on him. But this is the 21st century and the judge said nothing about cyber stalking. Anyway, their shared Instagram account is public. So he follows their adventures for a while and it seems they’re planning a hike in the woods. He still has her old number and iCloud password. Using his wizzy hacky cyber skillz, he sends a little Forced update to her phone. One that allows him to track their trek through the great outdoors and manipulate the location marker in her maps app. He essentially watches as they get farther and farther off track, and keeps watching until the dot stops moving forever, right where that ravine would be.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 01 Jun 2020, 13:56
That's right. If you like the outdoors so much, Gavin and Erin, why don't you just stay there forever, huh?!

The hack also caused the phones (Gavin's was hacked via Erin's) to report no reception once they were well off-track, so that they couldn't call for help.

I declare Stupot winner of the round, with a lot of support from I am a loser. Congrats!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 01 Jun 2020, 14:32
Good job Stupot ,
Great explanation , congrats !!!

Snarky, I like the way you set up
the puzzle, it was well written and
emotional !
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 01 Jun 2020, 15:13
Cool. Another nice riddle. I’ve tried sitting there and thinking up a good mystery but can’t get it right.

I don’t think of this game as having winners. I really like the teamwork and narrowing it down together.

I will share this “win” with I am a loser. You have to change your name now, buddy. I’ll keep thinking of a good one for a future case but by all means, anybody jump in. Do you have any ideas I am a loser winner?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 01 Jun 2020, 15:20
Thanks Stupot,

I know it's a silly nickname but I have been sticking to
it since I first registered to this great site
It comes from feeling very stupid at not finding
the solution to a simple adventure game and a deep
depression over my favourite football team which was
in free fall through the leaques that time :-))

Waiting for the next riddle, still trying to figure out a nice one myself
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 01 Jun 2020, 21:05

I don’t think of this game as having winners. I really like the teamwork and narrowing it down together.



I agree wholeheartedly. But the temptation to call I am a loser a winner was too great. :-D
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 01 Jun 2020, 21:18
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 01 Jun 2020, 21:24
Were both victims human?
Were both victims male?
Were both victims female?
Were both victims adults?
Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 01 Jun 2020, 21:42
Did the first victim fall off his own roof?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 02 Jun 2020, 06:28
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 02 Jun 2020, 08:00
Whoooah, this is a hard one
To the second victim :
Would he/she/it not have died if the first
victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 02 Jun 2020, 09:17
The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?


Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 02 Jun 2020, 09:19
The Riddler grinned strangely when he said "the second victim". I don't know why.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 02 Jun 2020, 09:22
Did both victims have a similar appearance?
Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?
Were the victims twins?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 02 Jun 2020, 12:34
Okay, now I am very confused:

I only asked the question "Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?" because I thought the first victim was related to the "This old man came rolling home." line in the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack". I thought this because of the fact that he had rolled down a steep slope and arrived very near his home's door.

Now it turns out that I was correct that the killer's theme was based on nursery rhymes but with no connection to "Knick-knack Paddywhack" (the very reason I came up with the nursery rhyme theory)...

Couldn't be just a weird coincidence, right?

Hmmmmm...

Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Could this case happen in the real world?
Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 02 Jun 2020, 12:53

The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?


Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?

Could this case happen in the real world? (But I doubt it will)
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did both victims have a similar appearance?



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one

Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Were the victims twins?


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?

Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 02 Jun 2020, 12:58
(Rephrasing) Is the first victim's death related to the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack" in any way?
Is the second victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did the serial killer hear these nursery rhymes as a child?
Did the serial killer kill the people who read him the nursery rhymes?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 02 Jun 2020, 13:12
Is the killer using different using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the killer using one nursery rhyme to theme their kills?


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaurgh possible epiphany...


Was the nursery rhyme the serial killer is using Jack and Jill?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 02 Jun 2020, 13:27
Victim 1 was tied up, victim 2 was chained:

Did the ties of victim 1 and the chains of victim 2
initially belong to each other ?
Did the victims know each other ?
Did victim 2 depend on victim 1 ?
Is the „steep slope“ the face of a building ?
Was victim 1 already dead before he fell on the ground?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 02 Jun 2020, 14:40
I see I forgot Stupot's question, will include it now. You guys are doing good. I'll drop some more hints if I deem it necessary.  (nod)


The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?


Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Could this case happen in the real world? (But I doubt it will)
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did both victims have a similar appearance?

Did the victims know each other ? (Although the FBI wouldn't tell me, I predict it is so.)
Is the killer using one nursery rhyme to theme their kills?
Is the second victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one
Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Were the victims twins?

Did the first victim fall off his own roof? (But he could have. Doesn't matter.)
Is the „steep slope“ the face of a building ? (But it could have been. Doesn't matter.)
Was victim 1 already dead before he fell on the ground?
Did victim 2 depend on victim 1 ?
Did the ties of victim 1 and the chains of victim 2 initially belong to each other ?
Was the nursery rhyme the serial killer is using Jack and Jill?
Is the killer using different using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the first victim's death related to the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack" in any way?


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?

Did the serial killer hear these nursery rhymes as a child?
Did the serial killer kill the people who read him the nursery rhymes?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 02 Jun 2020, 14:54
So much for my "epiphany"!  :-D

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 02 Jun 2020, 14:56
The nursery rhyme in question here :
Is it one of the cruel types ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 02 Jun 2020, 15:01
From the nursery rhyme, do you predict there will be more victims?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 02 Jun 2020, 15:36
Oof that's an excellent question Snarky!!


I will add one more of my own:


Is the killer still alive?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 02 Jun 2020, 17:28
That's a major leap forward...

The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler: ShowHide
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?


Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Could this case happen in the real world? (But I doubt it will)
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did both victims have a similar appearance?
Did the victims know each other ? (Although the FBI wouldn't tell me, I predict it is so.)
Is the killer using one nursery rhyme to theme their kills?
Is the second victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?

Is the killer still alive?
From the nursery rhyme, do you predict there will be more victims?  (nod)



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one
Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Were the victims twins?
Did the first victim fall off his own roof? (But he could have. Doesn't matter.)
Is the „steep slope“ the face of a building ? (But it could have been. Doesn't matter.)
Was victim 1 already dead before he fell on the ground?
Did victim 2 depend on victim 1 ?
Did the ties of victim 1 and the chains of victim 2 initially belong to each other ?
Was the nursery rhyme the serial killer is using Jack and Jill?
Is the killer using different using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the first victim's death related to the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack" in any way?

Is it one of the cruel types ?


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?
Did the serial killer hear these nursery rhymes as a child?
Did the serial killer kill the people who read him the nursery rhymes?




Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 02 Jun 2020, 17:50
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Is the killer using the "This little piggy" rhyme but in reverse?
This little piggy went wee wee wee all the way home is the last one and involves tickling
The 4th little piggy "had none" so could represent starving to death.
If this is correct I guess the next death would involve poisoned beef or maybe a cow falling on someone / getting trampled to death?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 02 Jun 2020, 19:46
Congratulations CaptainD,
This must be it !
I would not have guessed it in a million years :-)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 02 Jun 2020, 21:42
    (nod) :-D :-D :-D Correct!  :-D :-D :-D (nod)   
(Stole the heading from the thread starter.)

CaptainD guessed it way before I thought it would be possible.

My plan was indeed to make the next death by poisoned beef. The Riddler sniggered at the mention of the "second" victim because it was done backwards. The five little piggies ought to be connected somehow, like brothers or neighbours. I thought it would be too obvious if the first victim was killed at the market and the second at home, but you never know - perhaps the leap to nursery rhymes would have been more difficult that way.

Congratulations on solving what I feared would be an unsolvable case, made on a whim.  ;)

Captain, or anyone else - feel free to take the bridge.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 02 Jun 2020, 22:00
Nice. I quite liked the Riddler framing. What is the BAU, though?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 02 Jun 2020, 22:28
Behavioural Analysis Unit - a specialist branch of the FBI based at Quantico.

I can put a new one up tomorrow.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 02 Jun 2020, 22:47
Nice one!

I can't believe I leapt to nursery rhymes because of a completely unconnected one.

I'm the bumbling sidekick that says something unconnected and stupid and then the brilliant detective (CaptainD) says "Wait, what did you just say?!" as it makes his mind form the intuitive leap to solve the case.

Detective story tropes are forming freely in this thread... RUN!!!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 02 Jun 2020, 23:11
Haha I think this is the first one of these I've ever actually worked out! It was your question about the nursery rhymes and Snarky's about the rhyme indicating further murders that put me on the right track.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 02 Jun 2020, 23:16
The BAU are the stars of the completely unrealistic show Criminal Minds. Which I loved.

I thought cops asking the captured Riddler would be a nice device. Not my invention, they've done it in the comics, and  the trope is from Hannibal Lecter, who is in turn inspired by Bundy consulting. But you knew that. Riddler would, however, very likely catch a nursery rhyme pattern in the making, so there is a small clue there. Also, the title was "This serial killer had a pattern", which was meant as another hint to "This little piggy."

Looking forward to the Captain's log.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 02 Jun 2020, 23:34
The BAU are the stars of the completely unrealistic show Criminal Minds. Which I loved.

That is a great show! Yep, completely unrealistic but just watch one 50 min episode and you get a better detective mystery experience than watching most 2 hour murder mystery movies.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 05:47
I had to search the web for the acronym BAU
and found over 20 meanings, some of them
were really funny, especially in this context
like the Bangladesh Agricultural University or the
french acronym for Emergency Stop Button
Ah, I have also learned a lot of nursery rhymes :-)

That was a brilliant riddle !
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 03 Jun 2020, 10:32
I didn’t really keep track of this one. But good idea using a nursery rhyme.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 12:20
Okay I've been racking my brains to come up with something interesting and original (which was more challenging than I thought, for ages every idea reminded me of an episode of either Monk or Criminal Minds!):  I think I have finally done it.  I hope so anyway...

I present:

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 12:36
Thanks CaptainD for this new challenge:
To make it clear first:
Is the committed crime a murder ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 13:02
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?


NO



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 13:14
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ?
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 13:21
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human ?


NO



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 13:34
To be more precise about this one:
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ?
(sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)

Was the victim‘s surrounding some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim‘s surrounding some sort of liquid fluid?
Was the victim‘s surrounding a vacuum ?
Was the crime discovered ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 13:52
To be more precise about this one:
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ?
(sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)

Was the victim‘s surrounding some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim‘s surrounding some sort of liquid fluid?
Was the victim‘s surrounding a vacuum ?
Was the crime discovered ?

I just want to be clear on your wording here:

Are you asking whether these fluids / vacuum were surrounding (outside) the victim?  Or the victim itself was surrounding these things (as in they were inside the body)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 14:00
Surrounding the victim,
Sorry for the confusion
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 14:04
No worries just wanted to make sure my answers are completely accurate!  ;-D

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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 03 Jun 2020, 14:06
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 14:12
I apologize for my persistence :-)
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible
for the people passing by ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 14:18
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW




I apologize for my persistence :-)

Since when does a detective apologise for being persistent?!?!  :-D
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 14:26
For the people passing by and not noticing
a decay, there must be a reason
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 03 Jun 2020, 14:35
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed?
Was the victim killed by one person?
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 14:41
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW





Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 14:44
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 15:34
Spoiler: ShowHide

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 03 Jun 2020, 15:39
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 15:51
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 15:52
During the months on display,
did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 15:58
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 16:12
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 16:50
Key questions asked!!  Not such a loser after all.  ;)

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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW




Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: dayowlron on 03 Jun 2020, 17:05
This is probably obvious, but
was the museum a wax museum?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 17:08
Great, of course !
This must be it !
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 03 Jun 2020, 17:12
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 17:43
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 17:50
I think this one goes to Dayowlron
I thought of everything but the wax museum
The rest should be a cakewalk i guess
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Jun 2020, 18:37
I'm
The rest should be a cakewalk i guess

I'm not so sure... Nobody had even attempted the who, how or why yet...
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 18:51
Will come back shortly
Sitting in a beer garden
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 03 Jun 2020, 20:50
Has the crime something to do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ?
Did heat play a role in how the crime was discovered ?
This is a nice riddle !!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 03 Jun 2020, 21:46
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity?
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Jun 2020, 08:20
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: cat on 04 Jun 2020, 08:32
Does or did the killer work at the museum?
Was the crime detected because the preserved body got damaged?
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Did the killer replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body?
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wax_(1953_film) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wax_(1953_film)))?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 04 Jun 2020, 08:55
This is much harder than I thought
after the wax museum was revealed.....
I concentrate on how the murder was discovered:

Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally
pushed it ?
Did  a natural decay process cause the crime
to be discovered?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Jun 2020, 09:03
Some good questions in the last set!!

I've had to give some slight clues with one or two of the answers...

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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 04 Jun 2020, 09:48
There goes my Elvis theory... (wrong)


Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Jun 2020, 09:57
Now I want to know what heltenjon's "Elvis theory" is!!  (laugh)

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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 04 Jun 2020, 10:00
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion
(E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ?
Were there wax figures near the victim‘s corpse ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: cat on 04 Jun 2020, 10:42
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Jun 2020, 10:46
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 04 Jun 2020, 11:13
When the wax sculpture was made of
the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Jun 2020, 11:27
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 04 Jun 2020, 11:35
My Elvis theory was that the real Elvis, who is alive, of course, killed one of his lookalikes for singing out of tune/beating him in an Elvis impersonation contest.  (laugh)

Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed?
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 04 Jun 2020, 11:53
I'm absolutely clueless ……

Did several people witness the murder ?
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on 04 Jun 2020, 13:49
Unrelated to the current game, but... possible inspiration for a future case?

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Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Jun 2020, 15:27
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 04 Jun 2020, 16:44
Never been so clueless ….
Still thinking about the rotting process :

Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Ist the victim THE attraction of the museum ?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 04 Jun 2020, 20:13
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 05 Jun 2020, 16:56
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW




Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 05 Jun 2020, 17:22
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 05 Jun 2020, 17:35
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 05 Jun 2020, 17:37
My god , this is really hard ...
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 05 Jun 2020, 17:50
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 05 Jun 2020, 18:09
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Did someone missed the victim?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 06 Jun 2020, 12:25
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)





I think you've come very close to solving the whole thing, do you want to continue asking questions or do you me to post the full reveal?  (It's quite detailed!)

Or does anyone want to take a stab at what happened?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 06 Jun 2020, 12:27
Let us solve it , unless it is so detailed that noone can guess it !

I forgot one important question:
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 06 Jun 2020, 12:34
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 06 Jun 2020, 13:01
I agree - let's solve it!

Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 06 Jun 2020, 19:37
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to
get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus
only substituting the wax figure and the victim
looking like the wax figure was just right
for this purpose)?
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 07 Jun 2020, 13:18
Great questions!  ;)

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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 07 Jun 2020, 13:31
The plot thickens ...
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a medic/physician ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 07 Jun 2020, 14:51
Spoiler: ShowHide

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 07 Jun 2020, 15:23
If i were a detective i‘d most likely be fired by now ....
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 07 Jun 2020, 15:35
Spoiler: ShowHide

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 07 Jun 2020, 16:03
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Is the accomplice female?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on 07 Jun 2020, 17:51
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 07 Jun 2020, 19:48
This riddle has the potential for the screenplay
of a computer game or a movie :-))

Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 08 Jun 2020, 11:16
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)
Is the accomplice female?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ? (Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no, if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 08 Jun 2020, 11:44
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ?
(Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no,
if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)

Sorry for the ambiguous question, what I wanted to ask is:

Did something bump into the victim's corpse ?

Did the victim's face look like the wax figure's face beforehand
(i.e. it was not modeled with wax to look like the wax figure's face) ?
Did the preserving agent drip from the victim's corpse ?
Is the victim older than the killer ?
Was it a ritual murder ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 08 Jun 2020, 12:12
So, this is what we know: The male killer is a mortician. He has a female accomplice who makes wax statues for the museum. The female victim, who is a lookalike for a celebrity the killer is attracted to (as far as I understand it), is killed by injecting embalming fluid (or something of the sort). Then the accomplice makes her look like the wax statue (of the celebrity), and they swap them to hide the body. Due to all the visitors and their body heat, the body deteriorates and eventually begins to smell, which is when the murder is discovered.


What we don't know, is the motive. It's not revenge, money, shutting the victim up, nor a crime of passion.

Does the murderer gain on the victim's death?
Does the accomplice gain on the victim's death?
Does the celebrity gain on the victim's death?
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Did the lookalike no longer look like the celebrity?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 08 Jun 2020, 12:23
Thanks for the summary, heltenjon !
The accomplice must be the male killer's sister
From how I understood it, the victim's face didn't have
to be treated with wax, since it actually looked like the
wax figure already, I may be wrong in that, because I
didn't put my question precisely enough, will do that by editing my last post
This question was answered with YES:
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
We don't know the motive and how the victim was murdered, if the preserving agent
caused the death or if she was already dead when her blood was replaced by the agent
Also, it is not clear yet how the murder was discovered
It is obvious that something in the plan went wrong, otherwise the murder would not have
been discovered

Great riddle, I wish I had 20% of CaptainD's fertile imagination :-)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 09 Jun 2020, 10:03
heltenjon's explanation nails a lot of the key aspects of this case.

Spoiler: ShowHide
So, this is what we know: The male killer is a mortician. He has a female accomplice who makes wax statues for the museum. The female victim, who is a lookalike for a celebrity the killer is attracted to (as far as I understand it), is killed by injecting embalming fluid (or something of the sort). Then the accomplice makes her look like the wax statue (of the celebrity), and they swap them to hide the body. Due to all the visitors and their body heat, the body deteriorates and eventually begins to smell, which is when the murder is discovered.


Re: something I am a loser said:

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"Also, it is not clear yet how the murder was discovered
It is obvious that something in the plan went wrong, otherwise the murder would not have
been discovered"

The murder was discovered after the body began to decompose... something that had previously been prevented.  The initial plan worked perfectly, but something happened to mess up the long-term plan to conceal it...


Spoiler: ShowHide

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)
Is the accomplice female?
Did the victim's face look like the wax figure's face beforehand (i.e. it was not modeled with wax to look like the wax figure's face) ?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?
Did something bump into the victim's corpse ?
Did the preserving agent drip from the victim's corpse ?  (Not as such... it was more that a lengthy pause in the re-application of such agents caused the corpse to begin decaying)
Does the celebrity gain on the victim's death? (If there is any gain it is not intentional on the part of the celebrity, who was quite traumatised when she found out about these events and she is not in any way an accomplice)
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Did the lookalike no longer look like the celebrity? (er... well she looked less like the celebrity after her body started decomposing, but not before...)


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ? (Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no, if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)
Is the victim older than the killer ?
Was it a ritual murder ?
Does the murderer gain on the victim's death? (there is no financial gain, if that's what you meant, whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice)
Does the accomplice gain on the victim's death? (as above)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 09 Jun 2020, 10:29
Thanks CaptainD,
There were a few clues in your reply....

Was there some ..ahem... rather unusual sexual practice
involved in the murder ?
Did the preserving agent have to be replaced periodically?
Was a different agent used in lack of the right one?
Was the corpse temporarily unavailable for the agent treatment?
Are the wax figure's current whereabouts of importance?


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 09 Jun 2020, 18:44
Is the motive wanting to kill the celebrity (and "doing" so by proxy)?
Did the accomplice lose her job at the museum? (thereby not being able to maintain the illusion)
Did something happen to the accomplice? (sickness, death, injury)
Did something happen at the museum that made it impossible to get to the statue?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 09 Jun 2020, 21:31
heltenjon's explanation nails a lot of the key aspects of this case.

Spoiler: ShowHide
So, this is what we know: The male killer is a mortician. He has a female accomplice who makes wax statues for the museum. The female victim, who is a lookalike for a celebrity the killer is attracted to (as far as I understand it), is killed by injecting embalming fluid (or something of the sort). Then the accomplice makes her look like the wax statue (of the celebrity), and they swap them to hide the body. Due to all the visitors and their body heat, the body deteriorates and eventually begins to smell, which is when the murder is discovered.


Re: something I am a loser said:

Spoiler: ShowHide
"Also, it is not clear yet how the murder was discovered
It is obvious that something in the plan went wrong, otherwise the murder would not have
been discovered"

The murder was discovered after the body began to decompose... something that had previously been prevented.  The initial plan worked perfectly, but something happened to mess up the long-term plan to conceal it...


Spoiler: ShowHide

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)
Is the accomplice female?
Did the victim's face look like the wax figure's face beforehand (i.e. it was not modeled with wax to look like the wax figure's face) ?
Did the preserving agent have to be replaced periodically?
Are the wax figure's current whereabouts of importance? (er... to an extent, I suppose.)
Did something happen to the accomplice? (sickness, death, injury)




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?
Did something bump into the victim's corpse ?
Did the preserving agent drip from the victim's corpse ?  (Not as such... it was more that a lengthy pause in the re-application of such agents caused the corpse to begin decaying)
Does the celebrity gain on the victim's death? (If there is any gain it is not intentional on the part of the celebrity, who was quite traumatised when she found out about these events and she is not in any way an accomplice)
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Did the lookalike no longer look like the celebrity? (er... well she looked less like the celebrity after her body started decomposing, but not before...)
Was there some ..ahem... rather unusual sexual practice involved in the murder ? (not sure what you had in mind but NO!  8-0)
Was a different agent used in lack of the right one?
Was the corpse temporarily unavailable for the agent treatment?
Is the motive wanting to kill the celebrity (and "doing" so by proxy)? (no, the celebrity double was not a surrogate for the real thing in that sense.)
Did the accomplice lose her job at the museum? (thereby not being able to maintain the illusion)
Did something happen at the museum that made it impossible to get to the statue?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ? (Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no, if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)
Is the victim older than the killer ?
Was it a ritual murder ?
Does the murderer gain on the victim's death? (there is no financial gain, if that's what you meant, whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice)
Does the accomplice gain on the victim's death? (as above)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 10 Jun 2020, 00:03
Was the accomplice attacked?
Did the accomplice have an accident?
Did she contract a disease?
Do we need to find the motive other than an urge to kill? (You said whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice)
Did the murderer and the accomplice quarrel about what to do with the wax statue?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 10 Jun 2020, 06:47
I am still stumbling across your previous answer :
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant? 
(Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)

About the motive:

Is jealousy involved in the motive ?
Did the victim insult the killer ?
Is the fact that the victim was a lookalike of the wax figure random ?
Is the victim‘s face the template for the wax figure‘s face (not clear yet to me) ?
Were the victim and the killer a couple for some time ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 10 Jun 2020, 09:29
PHEW!!  You're getting very close to unlocking the whole thing now.


heltenjon's explanation nails a lot of the key aspects of this case.

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So, this is what we know: The male killer is a mortician. He has a female accomplice who makes wax statues for the museum. The female victim, who is a lookalike for a celebrity the killer is attracted to (as far as I understand it), is killed by injecting embalming fluid (or something of the sort). Then the accomplice makes her look like the wax statue (of the celebrity), and they swap them to hide the body. Due to all the visitors and their body heat, the body deteriorates and eventually begins to smell, which is when the murder is discovered.


Re: something I am a loser said:

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"Also, it is not clear yet how the murder was discovered
It is obvious that something in the plan went wrong, otherwise the murder would not have
been discovered"

The murder was discovered after the body began to decompose... something that had previously been prevented.  The initial plan worked perfectly, but something happened to mess up the long-term plan to conceal it...


And:

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I am still stumbling across your previous answer :
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant? 
(Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
What I meant is that the killer is of the opposite gender to the celebrity, and his attraction to her (albeit this is more a deranged obsession than a normal attraction) is a key reason for the victim being chosen, since she is a lookalike for that celebrity.


Case overview:
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Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.


YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)
Is the accomplice female?
Did the victim's face look like the wax figure's face beforehand (i.e. it was not modeled with wax to look like the wax figure's face) ?
Did the preserving agent have to be replaced periodically?
Are the wax figure's current whereabouts of importance? (er... to an extent, I suppose.)
Did something happen to the accomplice? (sickness, death, injury)
Did the accomplice contract a disease?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?
Did something bump into the victim's corpse ?
Did the preserving agent drip from the victim's corpse ?  (Not as such... it was more that a lengthy pause in the re-application of such agents caused the corpse to begin decaying)
Does the celebrity gain on the victim's death? (If there is any gain it is not intentional on the part of the celebrity, who was quite traumatised when she found out about these events and she is not in any way an accomplice)
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Did the lookalike no longer look like the celebrity? (er... well she looked less like the celebrity after her body started decomposing, but not before...)
Was there some ..ahem... rather unusual sexual practice involved in the murder ? (not sure what you had in mind but NO!  8-0)
Was a different agent used in lack of the right one?
Was the corpse temporarily unavailable for the agent treatment?
Is the motive wanting to kill the celebrity (and "doing" so by proxy)? (no, the celebrity double was not a surrogate for the real thing in that sense.)
Did the accomplice lose her job at the museum? (thereby not being able to maintain the illusion)
Did something happen at the museum that made it impossible to get to the statue?
Was the accomplice attacked?
Did the accomplice have an accident?
Do we need to find the motive other than an urge to kill? (You said whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice) (no - the urge to kill was their only motive)
Did the murderer and the accomplice quarrel about what to do with the wax statue?
Is jealousy involved in the motive ?
Did the victim insult the killer ?
Is the fact that the victim was a lookalike of the wax figure random ?
Is the victim‘s face the template for the wax figure‘s face (not clear yet to me) ?  (No, the victim's body was treated and used IN PLACE OF the waxwork model)
Were the victim and the killer a couple for some time ?  (Nothing like that, no - their relationship as brother and sister is probably the most normal thing about them!)

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ? (Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no, if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)
Is the victim older than the killer ?
Was it a ritual murder ?
Does the murderer gain on the victim's death? (there is no financial gain, if that's what you meant, whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice)
Does the accomplice gain on the victim's death? (as above)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 10 Jun 2020, 09:49
I guess this was a mix-up:
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Were the victim and the killer a couple for some time ?  (Nothing like that, no - their relationship as brother and sister is probably the most normal thing about them!)

Motive: solved (fixation on celebrity and urge to kill)
Method: solved (embalming fluid or something like that)
Plan: solved (hiding the body in plain sight)
The cock-up: unsolved, but we are getting there

Did the disease prevent the accomplice from going to the museum and maintaining the illusion? (Which I guess we already know is the case)
Did she get covid-19?
Did she get symptoms similar to covid-19, like the common cold? (Thereby not being allowed into the museum)


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on 10 Jun 2020, 10:05
To be honest I think you've got it heltenjon - I didn't go so far as to think about which disease she had, just that she had something that kept her away from work long enough for the body's decomposition to become obvious.


Here is the complete story:

Max and Gina Holden were siblings who both had a fascination with death and the human body.  This impacted on their career choices - Max ended up becoming a Mortician while Gina became a Wax Sculptor, making figures of famous people for a museum.

Max was completely obsessed by famous model Cindy Portobella, and when Gina was commissioned to make a wax sculpture of Cindy it triggered his long repressed urges into action, with Gina his willing accomplice.

After researching he found that there was a Celebrity Double of Cindy called Amanda Jameson living within a few hours drive.  After observing her habits for 2 weeks he kidnapped Amanda, used Scopolamine to paralyse her, suffocated her so there was no mark on the body, then drained her blood, posed her, and injected embalming fluid into her.  Then he took a burnt and unidentifiable female corpse (that he was supposed to have fully cremated) and staged a car explosion (having ascertained that Amanda smoked, he made it look like she was smoking by her car with the petrol cap left open).  Using his considerable scientific knowledge he covered his tracks forensically so successfully that the police did not seriously consider foul play.

Gina applied make-up, pastes etc to the body to make sure it looked appropriately fresh and new, and sprayed it with wax smell.  The body was posed before rigor mortis had set in and given to Gina before it subsided, so she took various measures to ensure the pose would be maintained once the body became flaccid.  Once in place, when the museum was closed she regularly re-applied whatever was necessary to the body to keep it looking and smelling as it should.  Of course no-one questioned her checking on the “model” regularly as she did this with all her real waxwork models as well.  She couldn’t bear to melt the real model that she had worked on so hard for so long, and she took this to her home - out of sight, obviously.

The plan continued to work until Gina became sick and was hospitalised for an extended period.  Without the constant care and attention she had given it the corpse soon began to decompose.  This along with the smell it created soon raised suspicion and, once the crime was found, police raided Gina’s home and found the real model. 

Although she did not tell detectives about her brother, they soon realised that whilst she was complicit in the cover-up, she had not carried out the actual murder.  Further incriminating Max was the fact that he was seen repeatedly on the museum’s security footage gazing at the “model” of his favourite celebrity, with barely a glance at any of the other models on display.  A search warrant was obtained and in his home a shrine to Cindy Portabello was found, along with his notes made whilst observing Amanda's habits.  Eventually Max confessed to the crime since he saw it as a way to show Cindy Portabello how much he loved her.

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on 10 Jun 2020, 10:35
Bravissimo heltenjon,
That was the breakthrough!
Really nice and clever riddle, and the names in
the solution are great :-)

Hope it won‘t be the last one , i am still
torturing my brain to make up a story of
this quality !!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on 10 Jun 2020, 10:45
I hope more people chime in on the next cases. I have some deadlines AND a massive computer upgrade coming up, so I won't have the time to host a case for a while. I hope someone else is able to.

Exceptional case, CaptainD!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on 16 Jun 2020, 15:40
Working on something a little different
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 16 Jun 2020, 16:01
Nice! I just started thinking of a possible new case last night, but it would need some work…

Good work on Case #63, CaptainD! I wasn't really able to play this round (and perhaps for that reason, soon lost track of what still needed to be answered), but I very much enjoyed the giallo-ness of it.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on 30 Jun 2020, 15:31
Case #64 has been spun off into its own game and thread, CTI: Crime Team Investigation (https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=58218.0).