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Title: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sat 23/05/2020 12:44:56
I thought I'd try to revive one of my favorite forum games, introduced by Kumpel in this thread (https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54576.0). The aim of the game is to solve a crime riddle:
OK?
Let's start with an easy one:



Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on Sat 23/05/2020 13:17:23
Are both pills the same?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sat 23/05/2020 14:08:29
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?


No (wrong)
…


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
…
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Sat 23/05/2020 14:09:12

Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sat 23/05/2020 14:13:26
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
…
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on Sat 23/05/2020 14:19:15
My second question: did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sat 23/05/2020 14:56:10
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Sat 23/05/2020 14:59:48
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sat 23/05/2020 15:06:44
(Just to clarify, Ali, you can ask more than 5 questions for the whole case. Just not between each time I update with answers to the questions so far.)

Spoiler
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
[close]
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
…
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sat 23/05/2020 15:22:36
Are the victim and murderer related?

Did the pills contain some kind of technology?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Sat 23/05/2020 15:59:42
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Frodo on Sat 23/05/2020 16:04:49
Maybe the murder wasn't intentional. 

Did the victim choke? 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sat 23/05/2020 16:20:13
Spoiler
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
[close]
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke?
[But I had to consider this one carefully]


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on Sat 23/05/2020 16:21:44
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Sinitrena on Sat 23/05/2020 16:24:05
Did more than one person die?
Did the victim know beforehand they would die?
Was the death quick?

Edit:

Are all involved human?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 23/05/2020 18:20:18
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sat 23/05/2020 19:59:04
Spoiler
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
[close]
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Are all involved human?



No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on Sat 23/05/2020 20:58:28
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 23/05/2020 21:11:56
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sat 23/05/2020 21:34:39
I KNOW!!!

A man took a sleeping pill and a laxative before going to bed and died from embarrassment at the outcome.

Spoiler
(I know this doesn't fit the case but I couldn't resist reusing this old Dave Barry joke)
[close]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on Sat 23/05/2020 23:47:51
Quote from: heltenjon on Sat 23/05/2020 21:11:56
Is the pill an abortion pill?

I'm REALLY hoping it's not that, otherwise we gotta a controversy ova here.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sun 24/05/2020 00:37:22
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?

Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?

Was money involved in the motive?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sun 24/05/2020 07:17:56
No fear, Ali.
And nice one, Mandle. With your experience in this game, I expect you've already solved the case?

I wish I'd given you another detail or two about the case, since I'm now realizing that by mentioning only the pills, you have nothing else to go on and few other avenues to explore. As a hint: I would try to figure out the nature of the pills before guessing at how they were used in the murder. The relationship between victim and murderer could also be a useful piece of the puzzle.

Spoiler
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
[close]
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Are all involved human?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Was money involved in the motive?



No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 24/05/2020 08:38:55
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?

I'm going to assume "Yes" and try a solution:

The murderer stood to profit from the death of their relative (e.g: A child gaining the parent's inheritance).
They both shared the same genetic allergy to something (let's say peanuts).
The child prepared dinner for both of them and sprinkled peanut powder on the parent's dinner.
The child then took a dose of the medicine to prevent the allergic reaction before eating the dinner. Perhaps the child took two pills so it would look like they BOTH took the pills AFTER the allergic reaction began.
They both ate the dinner and the parent suffered the allergic reaction and died but the child was saved by the medicine.

(I see a few flaws in my theory but what the heck)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sun 24/05/2020 09:13:24
I was thinking along similar lines but with bee stings, but we now know stings weren’t the cause, so it could be peanuts.

I need clarity on something, knowing that one pill would have been enough to carry out the crime:

Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Frodo on Sun 24/05/2020 09:38:03
Quote from: Snarky on Sun 24/05/2020 07:17:56
The relationship between victim and murderer could also be a useful piece of the puzzle.


Hmm, that comment caught my attention.   :sealed:
We're assuming that 2 people are involved here.  BUT...

Are the victim and the murderer, one and the same person? 

I'm thinking that maybe 1 person took the pill\s, not realising it would kill them. 
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 24/05/2020 09:41:58
Quote from: Stupot on Sun 24/05/2020 09:13:24
I need clarity on something, knowing that one pill would have been enough to carry out the crime:

See, I'm thinking this response from Snarky might mean that the crime could have been committed with only one pill but  the killer might not have gotten away with it without taking two pills.

Hence my theory that he/she took two pills from a previously unopened bottle to make it look like both of them didn't know the food was contaminated and had both taken pills after the symptoms began. Of course that would be revealed as false in an autopsy but if the story fools the police enough there won't be an autopsy as the death was not considered suspicious.

Maybe they were worried that a pill washed down the sink or thrown away in the trash might be discovered?

Hmmmm, so many holes in my theory but maybe Snarky might give a nudge if it's even slightly on track.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 24/05/2020 09:44:36
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sun 24/05/2020 10:34:48
A lot of cool theories, but sadly the truth is much less clever than that.

Spoiler
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
[close]
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Are all involved human?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Was money involved in the motive?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are the victim and the murderer, one and the same person?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on Sun 24/05/2020 10:41:37
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sun 24/05/2020 10:48:21
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 24/05/2020 11:23:55
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sun 24/05/2020 12:02:47
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Sun 24/05/2020 12:38:05
I guess Ali also asked the same question, but I'll make the question more clear...

Does "take a pill" equals "ingest  a pill"?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?  ;)
Is the murder a child of the victim?

EDIT:
Did the murder took the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?

(also it would be nice if you also carried the original thread question along with the answers, maybe under hide tags as well)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Sun 24/05/2020 13:12:57
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Sun 24/05/2020 14:03:09
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 24/05/2020 15:51:30
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 24/05/2020 12:38:05
(also it would be nice if you also carried the original thread question along with the answers, maybe under hide tags as well)

Yes, if only Snarky had thought of doing exactly that...  (laugh) (laugh) (laugh)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Sun 24/05/2020 16:19:52
Evil you  :P ... for some odd reason I didn't noticed it  :-[

EDIT:
Spoiler
Just checked the thread, now I think why I didn't noticed it... Cause the 1st few didn't had it, and my brain just ignored anything about the answers afterwards as "off topic" chat...  (roll) )

EDIT 2: Uhm, seems like the new forum can't auto close the tags either, like it did before.
[close]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 24/05/2020 16:28:24
Are the pills against diving sickness?

Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?

Did they find treasure?

Oh well...connect the dots to see what my theory is...
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 24/05/2020 16:35:06
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 24/05/2020 16:19:52
Evil you  :P ... for some odd reason I didn't noticed it  :-[

Hehehe... oh by the way, just because I'm an English teacher currently out of work I'll just mention an easy hint about a grammar point I don't think you are aware of because I've seen the same slight issue in your posts over the years:

Spoiler
If you use a previous past-tense term in a sentence then you don't usually use another past-tense term within that same sentence. There are exceptions in a complex sentence, but as a general rule in simple sentences it should be "I didn't notice it" and not "I didn't noticed it".
[close]

i wouldn't usually try to correct a European's English as you guys are usually much better at English than actually native speakers spelling and grammar-wise, but in this case it's such an "easy" rule i thought I would mention it.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Sun 24/05/2020 16:51:48
I suck at grammar... even my own mother language. So it doesn't surprise me that I do that and don't even notice it.  :) Thanks... (though expect me to do it again since I rarely stop to think about grammar...)  (roll) (laugh)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sun 24/05/2020 22:36:55
Just to be clear, there are no shenanigans around the meaning of words beyond what you have already figured out: the pills were not used to poison or directly kill the victim; they served some other helpful purpose in the crime.

Edit: I've reconsidered the answer to one of the questions and corrected it below.

Spoiler
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
[close]
Yes (nod)
Are both pills the same?
Are the victim and murderer related?
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Are all involved human?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Was money involved in the motive?
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?
Does "take a pill" equals "ingest a pill"?
[Yes, although the case description says "carried out using two pills", not "take a pill"]

Corrected: Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?


No (wrong)
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are the victim and the murderer, one and the same person?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"? [I haven't used the word "taken"?]
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?
Is the murderer a child of the victim?
Did the murderer take the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Are the pills against diving sickness?
Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?
Did they find treasure?

Corrected: Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?



Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 24/05/2020 23:13:56
Are the murderer and the victim siblings?

Does the victim know that the murderer took a (or two) pill(s)?

Is the cause of death drowning? (Not choking, but close...)

Does the nature of the pill reveal new information about the murderer?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sun 24/05/2020 23:24:09
Was the pill a drug used to steady the nerves or stop shaking?

Was the murderer a sniper.

Was the victim aware they were about to be murdered In the moments before the act?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 25/05/2020 10:52:33
Were the pills taken as suppositories?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Pogwizd on Mon 25/05/2020 11:02:13
Was there any liquid drunk after taking the pills by both persons?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ali on Mon 25/05/2020 12:42:06
Quote from: Snarky on Sun 24/05/2020 22:36:55
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"? [I haven't used the word "taken"?]

I meant, in answering yes to questions including the word 'taken'. But, that's good to know.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Mon 25/05/2020 17:05:53
Since the list of questions was getting long, I've broken it up by topic. Again, I would suggest narrowing down the nature of the pills a bit, and maybe working out the relationship between murderer and victim, before guessing at how the murder was committed.

Spoiler
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
[close]

What: The Pills
Yes
Are both pills the same?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?

No
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Are the pills against diving sickness?

Was the pill a drug used to steady the nerves or stop shaking?
Were the pills taken as suppositories?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]

Does the nature of the pill reveal new information about the murderer? [I suppose that depends on how good you are at drawing inferences.]


Who: The Murderer and Victim
Yes
Are the victim and murderer related?
Are all involved human?

No
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Are the victim and the murderer one and the same person?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?
Is the murderer a child of the victim?

Are the murderer and the victim siblings?


How: The Murder
Yes
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Does "take a pill" equals "ingest a pill"?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?

No
Did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"?
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Did the murderer take the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?

Does the victim know that the murderer took a (or two) pill(s)?
Is the cause of death drowning? (Not choking, but close...)
Was the murderer a sniper.
Was the victim aware they were about to be murdered In the moments before the act?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]

Was there any liquid drunk after taking the pills by both persons? [Do you mean both of them drinking the same thing, drinking from the same container? Either of them drinking something?]


Why: The Motive
Yes
Was money involved in the motive?

No
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Did they find treasure?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 25/05/2020 18:19:11
Is the murderer the parent of the victim?

Would the murderer also have died if he/she had not taken the pill?

Are the genders of the murder/victim relevant?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Mon 25/05/2020 19:08:22
Did the murderer ingest the pills of his own will? (as in, he was not forced to take them)
Did the murderer brought the pills to the crime scene?
Did the murder and the victim lived under the same roof?
Did the murder knew he was going to kill the victim before hand?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Mon 25/05/2020 19:44:57
Are the pills painkillers?
Do the pills prevent motion sickness?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Mon 25/05/2020 22:42:44
Was the victim already in hospital?
Was the victim the grandparent of the murderer?
We’re the pills intended for the victim?
Is it because the victim didn’t take the pills that he died.
Could this killing reasonably be described as euthanasia?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Mon 25/05/2020 23:45:37
Aha! You're taking several steps closer. I'm worried you'll be annoyed when you learn the solution…

Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 24/05/2020 16:51:48
(though expect me to do it again since I rarely stop to think about grammar...)  (roll) (laugh)

You weren't joking!

Spoiler
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
[close]

What: The Pills
Yes
Are both pills the same?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?

Are the pills painkillers? [Among other things]

No
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Are the pills against diving sickness?
Was the pill a drug used to steady the nerves or stop shaking?
Were the pills taken as suppositories?

Do the pills prevent motion sickness?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Does the nature of the pill reveal new information about the murderer? [I suppose that depends on how good you are at drawing inferences.]


Who: The Murderer and Victim
Yes
Are the victim and murderer related?
Are all involved human?

Are the genders of the murder/victim relevant? [Somewhat]
Was the victim the grandparent of the murderer?

No
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Are the victim and the murderer one and the same person?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?
Is the murderer a child of the victim?
Are the murderer and the victim siblings?

Is the murderer the parent of the victim?
Did the murderer and the victim live under the same roof?
[Hmm, interesting. I'll say no, but it could go either way.]


How: The Murder
Yes
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Does "take a pill" equals "ingest a pill"?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?

Did the murderer ingest the pills of his own will? (as in, he was not forced to take them)
Did the murderer know he was going to kill the victim beforehand?


No
Did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"?
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Did the murderer take the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?
Does the victim know that the murderer took a (or two) pill(s)?
Is the cause of death drowning? (Not choking, but close...)
Was the murderer a sniper.
Was the victim aware they were about to be murdered In the moments before the act?

Would the murderer also have died if he/she had not taken the pill?
Did the murderer bring the pills to the crime scene?
Was the victim already in hospital?
Were the pills intended for the victim?
Is it because the victim didn’t take the pills that he died?
Could this killing reasonably be described as euthanasia?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Was there any liquid drunk after taking the pills by both persons? [Do you mean both of them drinking the same thing, drinking from the same container? Either of them drinking something?]


Why: The Motive
Yes
Was money involved in the motive?

No
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Did they find treasure?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Tue 26/05/2020 06:45:55
Did taking the pills have any effect on the murderer relevant to the murder?

Would the murderer have been unlikely to have carried out the murder if he had taken the pills earlier?

Did the murderer take the pills before carrying out the crime?

Did the murderer actually prevent himself from carrying out the murder (but was too late).

Was the victim asleep at the time of the incident?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 26/05/2020 13:06:42
Does the murderer suffer from something that normally would prevent him/her from carrying out the murder?

Is the location relevant?

Is the motive inheritance?

Does the pills play a role in giving the murderer an alibi?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Tue 26/05/2020 14:06:39
Are the pills for cold/flu relief?
Was the murderer male?
Was the murderer female?
Was the victim male?
Was the victim female?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Tue 26/05/2020 15:43:22
At this point I think you have all the pieces and can put together the solution…

Spoiler
Case #59
The murder was carried out using two pills.

How was the murder done? Who were the murderer and victim? And what was the motive?
[close]

What: The Pills
Yes
Are both pills the same?
Were the pills designed to ameliorate the effects of something else (e.g. anaphylaxis)?
Were the pills of a kind usually available over the counter in drugstores?
Are the pills painkillers? [Among other things]

Are the pills for cold/flu relief?

No
Is the pill an abortion pill?
Are the "pills" actually drolly amusing people?
Were the pills of a kind that usually require a prescription?
Did the pills contain a hallucinogenic?
Are the pills against diving sickness?
Was the pill a drug used to steady the nerves or stop shaking?
Were the pills taken as suppositories?
Do the pills prevent motion sickness?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the pills contain some kind of technology? [What is "technology"? But no, not in the way I assume you mean.]
Does the nature of the pill reveal new information about the murderer? [I suppose that depends on how good you are at drawing inferences.]


Who: The Murderer and Victim
Yes
Are the victim and murderer related?
Are all involved human?
Are the genders of the murder/victim relevant? [Somewhat]
Was the victim the grandparent of the murderer?

Was the murderer female?
Was the victim male?


No
Was the murderer a medical practitioner?
Are the murderer and the victim siamese twins?
Are the victim and the murderer one and the same person?
Is the victim the wife of the murderer?
Is the victim the husband of the murderer?
Is the murderer a child of the victim?
Are the murderer and the victim siblings?
Is the murderer the parent of the victim?
Did the murderer and the victim live under the same roof? [Hmm, interesting. I'll say no, but it could go either way.]

Was the murderer male?
Was the victim female?



How: The Murder
Yes
Were both pills taken?
Did the murderer take a pill?
Were both pills taken at the same time?
Does "take a pill" equals "ingest a pill"?
Could the same crime have been committed with only 1 pill?
Could this murder take place in the real world?
Was the murderer incapacitated in some way before they took the pills?
Did the murderer ingest the pills of his own will? (as in, he was not forced to take them)
Did the murderer know he was going to kill the victim beforehand?

Did taking the pills have any effect on the murderer relevant to the murder?

No
Did the murderer and the victim each take a pill?
Was it the ingredients of the pills that caused the victim’s death?
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?  :-D
Were the pills ingested by the victim?
Did the victim choke? [But I had to consider this one carefully]
Did more than one person die? [Hmm, let's say no]
Was the death quick?
Did the victim die as a result of one or more stings or bites?
Was the victim tricked into a bogus suicide pact?
Did the victim die from an allergic reaction?
Is the fact that there were two pills relevant?
Are you word-playing on the meaning of "taken"?
Were there more than two people at the scene at the time of the murder?
Is this murder an actual case that happened in the real world?
Did the murderer take the pill to stop the victim from curing himself from an allergic reaction?
Were the pills deliberately mislabelled?
Did the pill treat the opposite condition to what it was supposed to?  (ie treatment for hypothyroidism when it should have been for hyperthyroidism)
Did the victim give the murderer the pills?
Would the victim have survived if he/she had taken a pill?
Does the victim know that the murderer took a (or two) pill(s)?
Is the cause of death drowning? (Not choking, but close...)
Was the murderer a sniper.
Was the victim aware they were about to be murdered In the moments before the act?
Would the murderer also have died if he/she had not taken the pill?
Did the murderer bring the pills to the crime scene?
Was the victim already in hospital?
Were the pills intended for the victim?
Is it because the victim didn’t take the pills that he died?
Could this killing reasonably be described as euthanasia?

Would the murderer have been unlikely to have carried out the murder if he had taken the pills earlier?
Did the murderer take the pills before carrying out the crime?
Did the murderer actually prevent himself from carrying out the murder (but was too late).
Was the victim asleep at the time of the incident?
Does the murderer suffer from something that normally would prevent him/her from carrying out the murder?
Is the location relevant?
Do the pills play a role in giving the murderer an alibi?
[Not in the strict meaning of "alibi", no]

Unanswerable or Ambiguous
Did the victim know beforehand they would die? [Before what? The answer is probably no, though]
Was there any liquid drunk after taking the pills by both persons? [Do you mean both of them drinking the same thing, drinking from the same container? Either of them drinking something?]


Why: The Motive
Yes
Was money involved in the motive?

Is the motive inheritance?

No
Was some kind of insurance scam involved?
Did they find treasure?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 26/05/2020 17:32:16
Does the murderer infect the victim with covid-19?

Does she hide her symptoms with the pills?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Tue 26/05/2020 17:50:36
I’m gonna attempt to solve it.

Spoiler
The young woman contracted Covid-19. Due to the lockdown she is fearful of her financial prospects. Knowing that the disease is much less forgiving on elderly people, she decides to pay her old Grandad a ‘visit’. After all, she happens to know that he intends to leave her a considerable sum of money when he leaves. So she visits the old geezer, gives him a kiss, a cuddle and a few coughs in the face and then leaves, popping a few Lemsip tablets in her mouth on the way out. 
[close]

...
Oh, seems heltonjon had the same idea as me while I was typing.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Tue 26/05/2020 18:12:36
:-D (nod) (nod) (nod) Correct! (nod) (nod) (nod) :-D

Detective heltenjon jumps in first with the correct answer, and also correctly identifies the purpose of the pills: suppress mild COVID-19 symptoms so the murderer could pretend that she was asymptomatic when she visited grandpa. For mild COVID symptoms, paracetamol (Tylenol) is recommended, and in my mind painkillers are always taken in twos (apparently this is something Big Pharma ad-campaigns managed to drill into people decades ago in order to sell more aspirin).

Congratulations heltenjon!

Kudos also to consulting detective Stupot's colorful version of the denouement, which saves me writing up the solution, and to the perceptive Riaise, whose questions supplied some crucial clues in the end-game. Well done!

Stupot's account is only mistaken in two minor details: the purpose of the pills, and (although this is peripheral to the case and didn't really come up) that in my mind the murderer contracted the coronavirus deliberately, knowing that as a young woman her risk of serious illness was relatively low. Pretending to have been in self-isolation and healthy, she could then visit and infect her rich, elderly grandfather and look forward to a healthy inheritance. Tsk, tsk!  (wtf)

Case closed

Thanks to all participants, and I hope it wasn't too frustrating.

heltenjon, do you want to propose the next case or pass it to somebody else?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Tue 26/05/2020 18:31:44
Aha. Thanks for that, Snarky.
Well done heltonjon for beating me to it and to Riaise who was also on the right track.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if some grandparents have received some unexpected ‘visits’ recently.

Your explanation though, Snarky, seems to contradict this question which you filed under ‘no’:
Did the murderer take the pills before carrying out the crime?

If it was to suppress the symptoms, surely would have taken them before the visit?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Tue 26/05/2020 18:45:05
Yeah, seems like I placed that one wrong. When I was composing the response I scanned the post quickly and thought they were all false except the first one, and just grabbed them all in one go. Sorry about that â€" fortunately it was at the very end so it didn't matter too much.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Tue 26/05/2020 19:25:31
Do people take them in 2s?   (roll) Damn, I never got that memo.... Need to take notice of it.  (laugh)

Actually (as far as I remember) here in Denmark, they do not recommend any pills if you have mild symptoms of covid-19... I think they don't want people to do exactly what the murderer did, and then spread the virus. Just stay home until 48 hours after symptoms have stopped.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 27/05/2020 01:23:40
Ahhhhh nice topical case, Snarky!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Wed 27/05/2020 05:20:39
Quote from: Privateer Puddin' on Sat 23/05/2020 14:59:48
Was Hydroxychloroquine taken on the advice of Donald J. Trump?

Haha, didn't expect this to be somewhat close  :=
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 27/05/2020 09:14:17
Okay, I'll try to think up something. I haven't checked the earlier 58 cases you've solved, so I'll pull one out of my mind and see how it goes.

Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 27/05/2020 09:38:32
Is the dead body Anna?
Is the dead body Fred?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Wed 27/05/2020 12:25:24
Woo-hoo, new case!

Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Wed 27/05/2020 12:50:05
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did Anna and Fred run away from something?
We’re there really 59 cases before this?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Wed 27/05/2020 13:42:05
Firstly, good case, Snarky! It may have looked like I knew where it was headed, but I actually didn't have a clue right up until the end. I was just stumbling about blindly and got lucky with the questions that I asked. ;)

So, on to the next case! :-D

Is the dead body human?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 27/05/2020 14:15:28
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 27/05/2020 17:27:17
You took good steps right away, so I think you'll work this one out in no time. I can divulge that I have sort of set this in a Scandinavian setting, where gas ovens are far between, but I don't really think that has much to say in the matter of working out what has happened.


Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]

Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?


No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Wed 27/05/2020 18:24:42
Is Fred a pet?

Was there any blood at the scene?

Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?

Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?

Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 27/05/2020 18:55:38
Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?

Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?


No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?

Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Wed 27/05/2020 19:13:14
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred?

Quote from: heltenjon on Wed 27/05/2020 18:55:38
Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.

Yes, there were (https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54576.msg636589572#msg636589572).
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: dayowlron on Wed 27/05/2020 19:26:26
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
Was the table set for 1?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Wed 27/05/2020 19:41:53
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 27/05/2020 19:53:06
I love this riddle,
but i ask only two questions :
Is Anna human ? (seems not clear to me yet )
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 27/05/2020 20:00:56
Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?

Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?


No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?

It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred?
(Probably not)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Wed 27/05/2020 20:06:03
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 27/05/2020 20:15:38
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Wed 27/05/2020 21:30:16
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 27/05/2020 21:59:57

Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?

Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?


No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)

Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 27/05/2020 22:15:54
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 27/05/2020 22:46:09
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Wed 27/05/2020 22:47:54
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water contaminated?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Wed 27/05/2020 22:48:38
Mandle, it's been established that Fred is a fish.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Wed 27/05/2020 22:49:32
He probably missed the page change.  ;)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 27/05/2020 23:36:09

Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?

Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
   

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?

I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? 
(Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Thu 28/05/2020 01:43:17
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?
Did Fred's container overflow?

Quote from: Cassiebsg on Wed 27/05/2020 22:49:32
He probably missed the page change.  ;)

Yup
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 28/05/2020 07:03:39
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Thu 28/05/2020 07:31:14
Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Was Fred cooked?
Did Fred die from lack of water?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Thu 28/05/2020 08:43:43
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did the water then come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 28/05/2020 11:18:27
You are closing in...I hope you manage the last stretch as well. :-D
I must also say that I think some of your theories are better than the solution. :-[

Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)

Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?
   
I needed to edit out a "then" from Stupot's original question to avoid misleading you.

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)

Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?
     (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?    (Not really.)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 28/05/2020 11:25:37
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-))
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Thu 28/05/2020 12:20:15
Quote from: I am a loser on Thu 28/05/2020 11:25:37
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?

Oh Jesus. That poor fish.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 28/05/2020 14:34:21

Not relevant to the case: Were there really 59 cases before this?

I guess so, because Snarky named his #59.


Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)

Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?
   
I needed to edit out a "then" from Stupot's original question to avoid misleading you.

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?   (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?   (Not really.)

Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-)
Oh Jesus. That poor fish.
(Nah. His name was Fred.)

[/quote]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 28/05/2020 14:44:29
Was Fred cooked in a container other than its normal habitat ( bowl, aquarium )
Was Fred's home (bowl, aquarium, whatsoever) located near the sink ?
Assuming the water was cut off, was the electricity cut off as well ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 28/05/2020 20:57:50

Not relevant to the case:
Was Fred's home (bowl, aquarium, whatsoever) located near the sink ?

But let's say it's in the kitchen somewhere.

Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?

Was Fred cooked in a container other than its normal habitat ( bowl, aquarium )
   

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?   (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?   (Not really.)
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-)
Oh Jesus. That poor fish.(Nah. His name was Fred.)

Assuming the water was cut off, was the electricity cut off as well ?


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 28/05/2020 21:03:12
I must warn the budding detectives that the solution, while somewhat funny, is quite silly. :-D
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Thu 28/05/2020 21:10:36
Is Anna alive?
Was it the cooking that killed Fred? (Just to make sure)
Did Anna place Fred in this other container?
Was the container a kettle, pot, or other device/piece of cookware designed for heating liquids or holding hot liquids?
Had Fred been in the container for more than, say, an hour when he was killed?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 28/05/2020 21:55:14
Detective Snarky ,
i think we're on the same track :-)

Did Anna remove Fred from its container believing it was something else ?
Does the type of Fred's fish species play a role ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Thu 28/05/2020 22:29:01
Is "Fred" a popular name for a  fish? ( https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54576.msg636556728#msg636556728 )  (laugh)

Was Anna in the process of cleaning Fred's aquarium?
Did Anna left Fred "sun bathing"?
Did Anna accidentally pored boiling water onto Fred?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 28/05/2020 23:40:50
I'll introduce the heading ambigous to my answers now.

Not relevant to the case:
Is "Fred" a popular name for a  fish? You got me there. (laugh)
Was Fred's home (bowl, aquarium, whatsoever) located near the sink ?
But let's say it's in the kitchen somewhere.

Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?
Was Fred cooked in a container other than its normal habitat ( bowl, aquarium )

Is Anna alive?
Was it the cooking that killed Fred? (Just to make sure)
Did Anna place Fred in this other container?
Was the container a kettle, pot, or other device/piece of cookware designed for heating liquids or holding hot liquids?
   (depending on your definition, perhaps. But definately yes.)

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?   (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?   (Not really.)
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-)
Oh Jesus. That poor fish.(Nah. His name was Fred.)
Assuming the water was cut off, was the electricity cut off as well ?

Had Fred been in the container for more than, say, an hour when he was killed?
Was Anna in the process of cleaning Fred's aquarium?
Did Anna left Fred "sun bathing"?
Does the type of Fred's fish species play a role ?
   (Except for size)



Ambigious (where I think saying straight yes or no will be misleading)

Did Anna remove Fred from its container believing it was something else ?
Did Anna accidentally pored boiling water onto Fred?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: dayowlron on Fri 29/05/2020 03:12:52
Did Anna want to cook something with water and since her water was turned off she used the aquarium not realizing Fred was in there?
Did Anna leave to go pay the water bill and was gone when the water came back on?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Fri 29/05/2020 06:17:07
Is Fred bigger than 3 cm in length?
Would Anna regret or feel sad about killing Fred?
Was Fred boiled in clear water?
Was already hot liquid added to Fred's container?
Was Fred's container heated from outside (e.g. on a stove)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 29/05/2020 08:47:55
You made the giant leap required! Now the case can be solved.

Not relevant to the case:
Is "Fred" a popular name for a  fish? You got me there. (laugh)
Was Fred's home (bowl, aquarium, whatsoever) located near the sink ?
But let's say it's in the kitchen somewhere.

Spoiler
Case #60
We're in the home of Anna and Fred. There is a dead body in the kitchen. The breakfast is still on the table. The water is running from the tap in the kitchen sink. The doors in the apartment are left open, except the front door. There's a official-looking letter on the fridge door.

What has happened? Who is the killer and the victim?
[close]


Yes

Is the dead body Fred?
Is the letter on the fridge door open?
Is the letter addressed to Anna?
Is the dead body the victim?
Is Anna the killer?
Is Fred a pet?
Did Anna kill Fred accidentally?
Is Anna human ?
Is Fred recognizable in his current state?
Does the apartment allow pets?
Was the table set for 1?
Did the accident occur as Anna was making breakfast?
Was Fred inside some sort of equipment or device for preparing or preserving food/drink?
Did Anna read the letter?
Is (was)  Fred a fish ?
When the accident occurred, did Anna know or believe that Fred was in the apartment?
Did the water company send the letter?
Was the water cut for some reason? (failure to pay or work on the pipes)
Was Anna in the apartment when Fred died?
Did the water come on and start flowing because Anna hadn’t closed the tap?
Was Fred cooked?
Was Fred cooked in a container other than its normal habitat ( bowl, aquarium )
Is Anna alive?
Was it the cooking that killed Fred? (Just to make sure)
Did Anna place Fred in this other container?
Was the container a kettle, pot, or other device/piece of cookware designed for heating liquids or holding hot liquids? (depending on your definition, perhaps. But definately yes.)

Did Anna want to cook something with water and since her water was turned off she used the aquarium not realizing Fred was in there?
Would Anna regret or feel sad about killing Fred?
Was Fred boiled in clear water?
  (This could probably be debated, but the already contrived plot needs this to be yes.)

No

Is the dead body Anna?
Are Anna and Fred both human?
Is the letter addressed to Fred?
Is Fred the killer?
Apart from the dead body, is there anybody else in the apartment?
Did somebody drown?
Did something drown? (E.g. an animal)
Had the kitchen flooded?
Did the dead body die from gas inhalation?
Is the letter on the fridge an unopened notice from the gas department that services will be resumed this morning?
Did they try to turn on their gas oven burners while service was disconnected but forget to turn them off again when they didn't work?
Did the couple notice a pet keel over and die halfway through breakfast (preparation?) and evacuated through the back door?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Did the letter on the fridge contain bad news?
Did Anna kill Fred deliberately?
It's Fred's and Anna's home , is it also someone else's home ?
Is Anna at the scene now?
Is the letter from the landlord regarding the no-pet policy?
Did Anna try hiding Fred somewhere?
Is Fred a dog?
Is Fred a cat?
Was Anna trying to give Fred a bath in the sink?
Did Fred die from something he ate?
If Anna had read the letter beforehand, would the accident have occurred? (Probably not)
Did the letter concern Fred?
Was Fred inside the fridge?
Is Fred an Hamster?
Is Fred a bird?
Did Anna try to save the pet by washing/weating him?
Was Fred inside the Micro-Wave?
Was Fred inside the Oven?
I'm guessing Fred is a bird and that is why Anna keeps all the doors inside the house open so he can fly around safely?
Did Fred fly in and land in a cooking pot or pan?
Was the water contaminated?
Did she accidentally broke Fred's bowl?
Was she trying to fill the sink with water to save Fred?
Was Fred in the sink before he died ?
Did he jump out of the sink ?
Was there saltwater in the sink ?
Was there fresh water in the sink ? (Except that the tap is running. But the plug is not in, so it's not filling up)
Was Fred's primary home (e.g. Aquarium) damaged ?
Did Anna leave home to get help (e.g. get water from a neighbour ) ?
Had Anna left Fred in his (full) bowl under the tap, which was open but not producing water because of the works?
Did Fred essentially get flushed out of his own bowl?
Did Fred also get flushed out of the sink?
Did Fred's container overflow?
Does Anna know that she killed Fred?
Are the doors open to air out the kitchen?
Did Fred die from lack of water?   (Probably not.)
Did the water come back on unexpectedly?   (Not really.)
Was it hot water coming from the tap ?
Was Fred a red herring ?  :-)
Oh Jesus. That poor fish.(Nah. His name was Fred.)
Assuming the water was cut off, was the electricity cut off as well ?
Had Fred been in the container for more than, say, an hour when he was killed?
Was Anna in the process of cleaning Fred's aquarium?
Did Anna left Fred "sun bathing"?
Does the type of Fred's fish species play a role ?  (Except for size)

Was already hot liquid added to Fred's container?
Was Fred's container heated from outside (e.g. on a stove)?
Is Fred bigger than 3 cm in length?
(He's small, is what you need to know)


Ambigious (where I think saying straight yes or no will be misleading)

Did Anna remove Fred from its container believing it was something else ?
Did Anna accidentally pored boiling water onto Fred?

Did Anna leave to go pay the water bill and was gone when the water came back on?
   (You are asking two things in the same question.)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Fri 29/05/2020 10:40:10
Did Anna pour the water from Fred‘s
bowl into a pot to make coffee or tea or
prepare food and Fred accidentally got into
the pot because he was so small and Anna
believed he still was in the bowl ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 29/05/2020 11:50:16
Quote from: I am a loser on Fri 29/05/2020 10:40:10
Did Anna pour the water from Fred‘s
bowl into a pot to make coffee or tea or
prepare food and Fred accidentally got into
the pot because he was so small and Anna
believed he still was in the bowl ?

This is practically the correct answer, except that it wasn't a pot.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Fri 29/05/2020 12:04:38
Electric tea kettle?

I'm still a bit confused about some of the incidental detail, like the breakfast on the table and the open doors. What is Anna doing "now"?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 29/05/2020 13:27:07
Okay, I'll count the case as solved. It was a joint effort, with a major breakthrough by dayowlron, but because I like the sound of it:

I am a loser is the winner!  :-D

Here's the plot as I envisioned it:
Spoiler
Anna woke in the morning, having overslept. She hurried into the kitchen to put on the coffee/tea before hitting the shower. She turned on the tap, but there was no water. She tore the letter from the fridge, squinting to read it, as she hadn't gotten around to her contact lenses yet. "Due to planned maintenance, the water supply will be temporarily closed until (...)" Oh no! She needed to wake up and craved her morning coffee/tea! What the heck, Fred won't mind, she thought, as she scooped up some water from Freddy Fish's bowl, pouring it into her trusted Mocca Master/Coffee Maker/Electric Tea Kettle. Without her contacts, she didn't notice that Fred was also in the scooped water. Anna ran to the bathroom and put on her contacts. No shower today then, but there probably wasn't time for it anyway. She hurried into the kitchen, leaving the door open behind her, ate a quick breakfast in the kitchen and went to work. Didn't the coffee/tea taste funny? That would be the last time she borrowed water from the fish bowl, that's for sure! Pressed for time, she didn't bother to clear the table or close the doors in the apartment. She also forgot to close the tap, which will start running water once the pipes are opened again.

Unfortunately, when she returns home and starts tidying and cleaning, she will also dicover poor Fred. Did he die of the heat (probably) or from the lack of water (probably not)? Anna won't want to think about it.
[close]

Admittedly, there are flaws in Anna's logic, and I'm not so sure about how these kitchen appliances work that I can be 100% sure of the cause of death. But you guys solved it, and I hope you had a good time pondering. Feedback as to how to improve the setup are welcome.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Fri 29/05/2020 13:34:29
That was fun. Cheers Helten
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Fri 29/05/2020 14:51:50
Was great fun !!!
But I only scrounged it,
most work was done by the other participants
Hope there is more to come,
I guess we all need somerhing to cheer us up
in these bad Coronatimes :-(
Thanks a lot for the riddle !!!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 29/05/2020 18:40:40
Quote from: I am a loser on Fri 29/05/2020 14:51:50
Was great fun !!!
But I only scrounged it,
most work was done by the other participants
Hope there is more to come,
I guess we all need somerhing to cheer us up
in these bad Coronatimes :-(
Thanks a lot for the riddle !!!


Do you want to host the next round, or pass it to someone else?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Fri 29/05/2020 19:04:08
I would rather pass it to someone else
I am not a native speaker and
also, i cannot think of a suitable riddle,
lack of fantasy, i‘m afraid
Also, i can't guarantee to be online the days to come
and i would hate to make the community wait
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sat 30/05/2020 09:36:39
Nice one, heltenjon!

Well, if nobody else wants a go…



Case #61: A Perfectly Reasonable and Rational Response
I would have hated Gavin even if my wife hadn't left me for him. ("Gavin and Erin" â€" how perfect they were as a couple!) "Sporty and outdoorsy," she called him (unlike me), and I knew what that meant: stupid and outdouchey, someone who spends more time on his Fitbit and posting nature selfies (couple selfies, now) on Instagram than following the news or learning things. After the cops slapped that restraining order on me, I couldn't contact them or come within a hundred yards of them or their house, but I didn't need to. I'd be far away when they died.

How did I do it?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Sat 30/05/2020 09:49:51
Did he sent a congratulations poisoned wine bottle?
Did he use a drone?
Did he sent a letter?
Did he sent a pack?
Did he fly a plane?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 30/05/2020 11:43:08
Did both Gavin and the wife die the same way?
Did he kill them both?
Did someone else kill them?
Did they die at home?
Are Social Networks (like Instagram) relevant for the murder?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sat 30/05/2020 12:05:03
Thanks for taking over Snarky,
I am still figuring out a plot

Assuming, that they haven't died yet:

Will using the Smartphone cause their death ?
Is it manipulated in some way ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Sat 30/05/2020 14:14:28
Was the plan for their deaths already in action before the restraining order was given?
Was the restraining order a result of you doing something to cause their eventual deaths?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sat 30/05/2020 15:11:49
Were the deaths related to sport?
Were the deaths related to outdoorsiness?
Were the deaths related to the Fitbit?
Is our hero a hacker?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sat 30/05/2020 22:31:54
You seem to be on my trail pretty quickly!

Spoiler
Case #61: A Perfectly Reasonable and Rational Response
I would have hated Gavin even if my wife hadn't left me for him. ("Gavin and Erin" â€" how perfect they were as a couple!) "Sporty and outdoorsy," she called him (unlike me), and I knew what that meant: stupid and outdouchey, someone who spends more time on his Fitbit and posting nature selfies (couple selfies, now) on Instagram than following the news or learning things. After the cops slapped that restraining order on me, I couldn't contact them or come within a hundred yards of them or their house, but I didn't need to. I'd be far away when they died.

How did I do it?
[close]

Yes
Did he send a pack? [I take it you mean a package? Yes, sort of.]
Did both Gavin and the wife die the same way?
Did he kill them both?
Are Social Networks (like Instagram) relevant for the murder?
[Vaguely]
Will using the Smartphone cause their death?
Is it [the smart phone] manipulated in some way?
Were the deaths related to sport?
[Arguable, but I'd say yes]
Were the deaths related to outdoorsiness?
Is our hero a hacker?



No
Did he send a congratulations poisoned wine bottle?
Did he use a drone?
Did he send a letter?
Did he fly a plane?
Did someone else kill them?
Did they die at home?
Was the plan for their deaths already in action before the restraining order was given?
[Not this specific plan, no]
Was the restraining order a result of you doing something to cause their eventual deaths?
Were the deaths related to the Fitbit?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sat 30/05/2020 23:18:08
Did he send the smartphone in the package?
Was the smartphone rigged in some way? [sorry, just noticed this was already asked - I’ll leave it here anyway]
Did Gavin and Erin die outside?
Did he mess with the Phone’s GPS so that the couple got lost?
Were Gavin and Erin eaten by one or more animals?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 31/05/2020 00:14:40
Has he sent sabotaged sports equipment for social posing?
Is the package related to mountaineering/climbing?
Is the package related to air sports?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sun 31/05/2020 06:02:43
Was their death caused by explosives ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 31/05/2020 14:06:34
Did they live in a "smart house"?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sun 31/05/2020 21:15:17
You're getting very warm. Does somebody want to propose a solution? Maybe try to explain how I knew when I had an opportunity, how I arranged it, and how I ensured that the outcome would (very likely) be fatal.

Spoiler
Case #61: A Perfectly Reasonable and Rational Response
I would have hated Gavin even if my wife hadn't left me for him. ("Gavin and Erin" â€" how perfect they were as a couple!) "Sporty and outdoorsy," she called him (unlike me), and I knew what that meant: stupid and outdouchey, someone who spends more time on his Fitbit and posting nature selfies (couple selfies, now) on Instagram than following the news or learning things. After the cops slapped that restraining order on me, I couldn't contact them or come within a hundred yards of them or their house, but I didn't need to. I'd be far away when they died.

How did I do it?
[close]

Yes
Did he send a pack? [I take it you mean a package? Yes, sort of.]
Did both Gavin and the wife die the same way?
Did he kill them both?
Are Social Networks (like Instagram) relevant for the murder? [Vaguely]
Will using the Smartphone cause their death?
Is it [the smart phone] manipulated in some way?
Were the deaths related to sport? [Arguable, but I'd say yes]
Were the deaths related to outdoorsiness?
Is our hero a hacker?

Was the smartphone rigged in some way?
Did Gavin and Erin die outside?
Did he mess with the Phone’s GPS so that the couple got lost?



No
Did he send a congratulations poisoned wine bottle?
Did he use a drone?
Did he send a letter?
Did he fly a plane?
Did someone else kill them?
Did they die at home?
Was the plan for their deaths already in action before the restraining order was given? [Not this specific plan, no]
Was the restraining order a result of you doing something to cause their eventual deaths?
Were the deaths related to the Fitbit?

Did he send the smartphone in the package?
Were Gavin and Erin eaten by one or more animals?
[Aww jeez. I guess maybe? But that wasn't part of the plan]
Has he sent sabotaged sports equipment for social posing?
Is the package related to mountaineering/climbing?
Is the package related to air sports?
Was their death caused by explosives ?
Did they live in a "smart house"?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sun 31/05/2020 21:29:04
Was the couple on a hike ?
Did they rely upon the track stored on the map on the phone ?
Did he manipulate the track?
Did they die from falling off a cliff ?
Did they die when it was dark outside ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sun 31/05/2020 23:23:02
We’re they in the desert?

Did our hero know where they would be travelling because they had been posting all about their trip on Instagram?

Were they on honeymoon?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 01/06/2020 12:52:50
Is the package a smart phone update, e.g. the GPS hack?
Were they at sea?
Did he send them into a storm?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Mon 01/06/2020 13:23:47
I think it's time to solve it, no?

Spoiler
Case #61: A Perfectly Reasonable and Rational Response
I would have hated Gavin even if my wife hadn't left me for him. ("Gavin and Erin" â€" how perfect they were as a couple!) "Sporty and outdoorsy," she called him (unlike me), and I knew what that meant: stupid and outdouchey, someone who spends more time on his Fitbit and posting nature selfies (couple selfies, now) on Instagram than following the news or learning things. After the cops slapped that restraining order on me, I couldn't contact them or come within a hundred yards of them or their house, but I didn't need to. I'd be far away when they died.

How did I do it?
[close]

Yes
Did he send a pack? [I take it you mean a package? Yes, sort of.]
Did both Gavin and the wife die the same way?
Did he kill them both?
Are Social Networks (like Instagram) relevant for the murder? [Vaguely]
Will using the Smartphone cause their death?
Is it [the smart phone] manipulated in some way?
Were the deaths related to sport? [Arguable, but I'd say yes]
Were the deaths related to outdoorsiness?
Is our hero a hacker?
Was the smartphone rigged in some way?
Did Gavin and Erin die outside?
Did he mess with the Phone’s GPS so that the couple got lost?

Was the couple on a hike?
Did they rely upon the track stored on the map on the phone?
Did he manipulate the track?
Did our hero know where they would be travelling because they had been posting all about their trip on Instagram?
Is the package a smart phone update, e.g. the GPS hack?



No
Did he send a congratulations poisoned wine bottle?
Did he use a drone?
Did he send a letter?
Did he fly a plane?
Did someone else kill them?
Did they die at home?
Was the plan for their deaths already in action before the restraining order was given? [Not this specific plan, no]
Was the restraining order a result of you doing something to cause their eventual deaths?
Were the deaths related to the Fitbit?
Did he send the smartphone in the package?
Were Gavin and Erin eaten by one or more animals? [Aww jeez. I guess maybe? But that wasn't part of the plan]
Has he sent sabotaged sports equipment for social posing?
Is the package related to mountaineering/climbing?
Is the package related to air sports?
Was their death caused by explosives?
Did they live in a "smart house"?

Did they die from falling off a cliff?
Were they in the desert?
Were they on honeymoon?
Were they at sea?
Did he send them into a storm?



Ambiguous/Irrelevant
Did they die when it was dark outside?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Mon 01/06/2020 13:44:58
Hell hath no fury like a hacker scorned.

Our hero was royally scorned. After Erin dumped him for Gareth, he stalked them until they got a restraining order on him. But this is the 21st century and the judge said nothing about cyber stalking. Anyway, their shared Instagram account is public. So he follows their adventures for a while and it seems they’re planning a hike in the woods. He still has her old number and iCloud password. Using his wizzy hacky cyber skillz, he sends a little Forced update to her phone. One that allows him to track their trek through the great outdoors and manipulate the location marker in her maps app. He essentially watches as they get farther and farther off track, and keeps watching until the dot stops moving forever, right where that ravine would be.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Mon 01/06/2020 13:56:47
That's right. If you like the outdoors so much, Gavin and Erin, why don't you just stay there forever, huh?!

The hack also caused the phones (Gavin's was hacked via Erin's) to report no reception once they were well off-track, so that they couldn't call for help.

I declare Stupot winner of the round, with a lot of support from I am a loser. Congrats!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Mon 01/06/2020 14:32:25
Good job Stupot ,
Great explanation , congrats !!!

Snarky, I like the way you set up
the puzzle, it was well written and
emotional !
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Mon 01/06/2020 15:13:39
Cool. Another nice riddle. I’ve tried sitting there and thinking up a good mystery but can’t get it right.

I don’t think of this game as having winners. I really like the teamwork and narrowing it down together.

I will share this “win” with I am a loser. You have to change your name now, buddy. I’ll keep thinking of a good one for a future case but by all means, anybody jump in. Do you have any ideas I am a loser winner?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Mon 01/06/2020 15:20:58
Thanks Stupot,

I know it's a silly nickname but I have been sticking to
it since I first registered to this great site
It comes from feeling very stupid at not finding
the solution to a simple adventure game and a deep
depression over my favourite football team which was
in free fall through the leaques that time :-))

Waiting for the next riddle, still trying to figure out a nice one myself
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 01/06/2020 21:05:35
Quote from: Stupot on Mon 01/06/2020 15:13:39

I don’t think of this game as having winners. I really like the teamwork and narrowing it down together.



I agree wholeheartedly. But the temptation to call I am a loser a winner was too great. :-D
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 01/06/2020 21:18:55
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Mon 01/06/2020 21:24:20
Were both victims human?
Were both victims male?
Were both victims female?
Were both victims adults?
Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Mon 01/06/2020 21:42:33
Did the first victim fall off his own roof?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 02/06/2020 06:28:00
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Tue 02/06/2020 08:00:07
Whoooah, this is a hard one
To the second victim :
Would he/she/it not have died if the first
victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 02/06/2020 09:17:08
The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?
[close]

Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 02/06/2020 09:19:44
The Riddler grinned strangely when he said "the second victim". I don't know why.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 02/06/2020 09:22:53
Did both victims have a similar appearance?
Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?
Were the victims twins?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 02/06/2020 12:34:40
Okay, now I am very confused:

I only asked the question "Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?" because I thought the first victim was related to the "This old man came rolling home." line in the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack". I thought this because of the fact that he had rolled down a steep slope and arrived very near his home's door.

Now it turns out that I was correct that the killer's theme was based on nursery rhymes but with no connection to "Knick-knack Paddywhack" (the very reason I came up with the nursery rhyme theory)...

Couldn't be just a weird coincidence, right?

Hmmmmm...

Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Could this case happen in the real world?
Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 02/06/2020 12:53:30

The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?
[close]

Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?

Could this case happen in the real world? (But I doubt it will)
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did both victims have a similar appearance?



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one

Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Were the victims twins?


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?

Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 02/06/2020 12:58:48
(Rephrasing) Is the first victim's death related to the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack" in any way?
Is the second victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did the serial killer hear these nursery rhymes as a child?
Did the serial killer kill the people who read him the nursery rhymes?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 02/06/2020 13:12:46
Is the killer using different using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the killer using one nursery rhyme to theme their kills?


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaurgh possible epiphany...


Was the nursery rhyme the serial killer is using Jack and Jill?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Tue 02/06/2020 13:27:11
Victim 1 was tied up, victim 2 was chained:

Did the ties of victim 1 and the chains of victim 2
initially belong to each other ?
Did the victims know each other ?
Did victim 2 depend on victim 1 ?
Is the „steep slope“ the face of a building ?
Was victim 1 already dead before he fell on the ground?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 02/06/2020 14:40:31
I see I forgot Stupot's question, will include it now. You guys are doing good. I'll drop some more hints if I deem it necessary.  (nod)


The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?
[close]

Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Could this case happen in the real world? (But I doubt it will)
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did both victims have a similar appearance?

Did the victims know each other ? (Although the FBI wouldn't tell me, I predict it is so.)
Is the killer using one nursery rhyme to theme their kills?
Is the second victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one
Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Were the victims twins?

Did the first victim fall off his own roof? (But he could have. Doesn't matter.)
Is the „steep slope“ the face of a building ? (But it could have been. Doesn't matter.)
Was victim 1 already dead before he fell on the ground?
Did victim 2 depend on victim 1 ?
Did the ties of victim 1 and the chains of victim 2 initially belong to each other ?
Was the nursery rhyme the serial killer is using Jack and Jill?
Is the killer using different using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the first victim's death related to the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack" in any way?


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?

Did the serial killer hear these nursery rhymes as a child?
Did the serial killer kill the people who read him the nursery rhymes?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 02/06/2020 14:54:36
So much for my "epiphany"!  :-D

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Tue 02/06/2020 14:56:30
The nursery rhyme in question here :
Is it one of the cruel types ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Tue 02/06/2020 15:01:25
From the nursery rhyme, do you predict there will be more victims?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 02/06/2020 15:36:58
Oof that's an excellent question Snarky!!


I will add one more of my own:


Is the killer still alive?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 02/06/2020 17:28:44
That's a major leap forward...

The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler
Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?
[close]

Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Could this case happen in the real world? (But I doubt it will)
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did both victims have a similar appearance?
Did the victims know each other ? (Although the FBI wouldn't tell me, I predict it is so.)
Is the killer using one nursery rhyme to theme their kills?
Is the second victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?

Is the killer still alive?
From the nursery rhyme, do you predict there will be more victims?  (nod)



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one
Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Were the victims twins?
Did the first victim fall off his own roof? (But he could have. Doesn't matter.)
Is the „steep slope“ the face of a building ? (But it could have been. Doesn't matter.)
Was victim 1 already dead before he fell on the ground?
Did victim 2 depend on victim 1 ?
Did the ties of victim 1 and the chains of victim 2 initially belong to each other ?
Was the nursery rhyme the serial killer is using Jack and Jill?
Is the killer using different using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the first victim's death related to the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack" in any way?

Is it one of the cruel types ?


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?
Did the serial killer hear these nursery rhymes as a child?
Did the serial killer kill the people who read him the nursery rhymes?




Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 02/06/2020 17:50:33
Spoiler
Is the killer using the "This little piggy" rhyme but in reverse?
This little piggy went wee wee wee all the way home is the last one and involves tickling
The 4th little piggy "had none" so could represent starving to death.
If this is correct I guess the next death would involve poisoned beef or maybe a cow falling on someone / getting trampled to death?
[close]
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Tue 02/06/2020 19:46:22
Congratulations CaptainD,
This must be it !
I would not have guessed it in a million years :-)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 02/06/2020 21:42:50
    (nod) :-D :-D :-D Correct!  :-D :-D :-D (nod)   
(Stole the heading from the thread starter.)

CaptainD guessed it way before I thought it would be possible.

My plan was indeed to make the next death by poisoned beef. The Riddler sniggered at the mention of the "second" victim because it was done backwards. The five little piggies ought to be connected somehow, like brothers or neighbours. I thought it would be too obvious if the first victim was killed at the market and the second at home, but you never know - perhaps the leap to nursery rhymes would have been more difficult that way.

Congratulations on solving what I feared would be an unsolvable case, made on a whim.  ;)

Captain, or anyone else - feel free to take the bridge.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Tue 02/06/2020 22:00:50
Nice. I quite liked the Riddler framing. What is the BAU, though?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 02/06/2020 22:28:34
Behavioural Analysis Unit - a specialist branch of the FBI based at Quantico.

I can put a new one up tomorrow.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 02/06/2020 22:47:16
Nice one!

I can't believe I leapt to nursery rhymes because of a completely unconnected one.

I'm the bumbling sidekick that says something unconnected and stupid and then the brilliant detective (CaptainD) says "Wait, what did you just say?!" as it makes his mind form the intuitive leap to solve the case.

Detective story tropes are forming freely in this thread... RUN!!!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 02/06/2020 23:11:26
Haha I think this is the first one of these I've ever actually worked out! It was your question about the nursery rhymes and Snarky's about the rhyme indicating further murders that put me on the right track.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 02/06/2020 23:16:21
The BAU are the stars of the completely unrealistic show Criminal Minds. Which I loved.

I thought cops asking the captured Riddler would be a nice device. Not my invention, they've done it in the comics, and  the trope is from Hannibal Lecter, who is in turn inspired by Bundy consulting. But you knew that. Riddler would, however, very likely catch a nursery rhyme pattern in the making, so there is a small clue there. Also, the title was "This serial killer had a pattern", which was meant as another hint to "This little piggy."

Looking forward to the Captain's log.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 02/06/2020 23:34:50
Quote from: heltenjon on Tue 02/06/2020 23:16:21
The BAU are the stars of the completely unrealistic show Criminal Minds. Which I loved.

That is a great show! Yep, completely unrealistic but just watch one 50 min episode and you get a better detective mystery experience than watching most 2 hour murder mystery movies.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 05:47:39
I had to search the web for the acronym BAU
and found over 20 meanings, some of them
were really funny, especially in this context
like the Bangladesh Agricultural University or the
french acronym for Emergency Stop Button
Ah, I have also learned a lot of nursery rhymes :-)

That was a brilliant riddle !
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Wed 03/06/2020 10:32:59
I didn’t really keep track of this one. But good idea using a nursery rhyme.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 12:20:29
Okay I've been racking my brains to come up with something interesting and original (which was more challenging than I thought, for ages every idea reminded me of an episode of either Monk or Criminal Minds!):  I think I have finally done it.  I hope so anyway...

I present:

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 12:36:21
Thanks CaptainD for this new challenge:
To make it clear first:
Is the committed crime a murder ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 13:02:56
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?


NO



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 13:14:17
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ?
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 13:21:03
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human ?


NO



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 13:34:22
To be more precise about this one:
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ?
(sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)

Was the victim‘s surrounding some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim‘s surrounding some sort of liquid fluid?
Was the victim‘s surrounding a vacuum ?
Was the crime discovered ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 13:52:44
Quote from: I am a loser on Wed 03/06/2020 13:34:22
To be more precise about this one:
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ?
(sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)

Was the victim‘s surrounding some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim‘s surrounding some sort of liquid fluid?
Was the victim‘s surrounding a vacuum ?
Was the crime discovered ?

I just want to be clear on your wording here:

Are you asking whether these fluids / vacuum were surrounding (outside) the victim?  Or the victim itself was surrounding these things (as in they were inside the body)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 14:00:46
Surrounding the victim,
Sorry for the confusion
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 14:04:16
No worries just wanted to make sure my answers are completely accurate!  ;-D

Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Wed 03/06/2020 14:06:40
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 14:12:07
I apologize for my persistence :-)
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible
for the people passing by ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 14:18:57
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW




Quote from: I am a loser on Wed 03/06/2020 14:12:07
I apologize for my persistence :-)

Since when does a detective apologise for being persistent?!?!  :-D
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 14:26:11
For the people passing by and not noticing
a decay, there must be a reason
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Wed 03/06/2020 14:35:53
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed?
Was the victim killed by one person?
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 14:41:21
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW





Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 14:44:23
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 15:34:15
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?



IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Wed 03/06/2020 15:39:30
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 15:51:18
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 15:52:51
During the months on display,
did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 15:58:21
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 16:12:06
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 16:50:24
Key questions asked!!  Not such a loser after all.  ;)

Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW




Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: dayowlron on Wed 03/06/2020 17:05:43
This is probably obvious, but
was the museum a wax museum?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 17:08:08
Great, of course !
This must be it !
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 03/06/2020 17:12:08
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 17:43:22
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 17:50:31
I think this one goes to Dayowlron
I thought of everything but the wax museum
The rest should be a cakewalk i guess
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 03/06/2020 18:37:52
I'm
Quote from: I am a loser on Wed 03/06/2020 17:50:31
The rest should be a cakewalk i guess

I'm not so sure... Nobody had even attempted the who, how or why yet...
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 18:51:23
Will come back shortly
Sitting in a beer garden
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 03/06/2020 20:50:51
Has the crime something to do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ?
Did heat play a role in how the crime was discovered ?
This is a nice riddle !!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 03/06/2020 21:46:12
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity?
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Thu 04/06/2020 08:20:58
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: cat on Thu 04/06/2020 08:32:54
Does or did the killer work at the museum?
Was the crime detected because the preserved body got damaged?
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Did the killer replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body?
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wax_(1953_film) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wax_(1953_film)))?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 04/06/2020 08:55:58
This is much harder than I thought
after the wax museum was revealed.....
I concentrate on how the murder was discovered:

Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally
pushed it ?
Did  a natural decay process cause the crime
to be discovered?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Thu 04/06/2020 09:03:20
Some good questions in the last set!!

I've had to give some slight clues with one or two of the answers...

Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 04/06/2020 09:48:08
There goes my Elvis theory... (wrong)


Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Thu 04/06/2020 09:57:07
Now I want to know what heltenjon's "Elvis theory" is!!  (laugh)

Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 04/06/2020 10:00:29
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion
(E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ?
Were there wax figures near the victim‘s corpse ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: cat on Thu 04/06/2020 10:42:09
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Thu 04/06/2020 10:46:33
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 04/06/2020 11:13:03
When the wax sculpture was made of
the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Thu 04/06/2020 11:27:19
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 04/06/2020 10:46:33
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 04/06/2020 11:35:22
My Elvis theory was that the real Elvis, who is alive, of course, killed one of his lookalikes for singing out of tune/beating him in an Elvis impersonation contest.  (laugh)

Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed?
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 04/06/2020 11:53:33
I'm absolutely clueless ……

Did several people witness the murder ?
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Thu 04/06/2020 13:49:11
Unrelated to the current game, but... possible inspiration for a future case?

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Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Thu 04/06/2020 15:27:36
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 04/06/2020 16:44:25
Never been so clueless ….
Still thinking about the rotting process :

Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Ist the victim THE attraction of the museum ?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Thu 04/06/2020 20:13:16
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Fri 05/06/2020 16:56:32
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW




Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 05/06/2020 17:22:56
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Fri 05/06/2020 17:35:02
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?



NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Fri 05/06/2020 17:37:28
My god , this is really hard ...
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 05/06/2020 17:50:05
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Fri 05/06/2020 18:09:59
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Did someone missed the victim?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Sat 06/06/2020 12:25:10
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)





I think you've come very close to solving the whole thing, do you want to continue asking questions or do you me to post the full reveal?  (It's quite detailed!)

Or does anyone want to take a stab at what happened?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sat 06/06/2020 12:27:36
Let us solve it , unless it is so detailed that noone can guess it !

I forgot one important question:
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Sat 06/06/2020 12:34:45
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)



Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 06/06/2020 13:01:24
I agree - let's solve it!

Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sat 06/06/2020 19:37:32
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to
get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus
only substituting the wax figure and the victim
looking like the wax figure was just right
for this purpose)?
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Sun 07/06/2020 13:18:30
Great questions!  ;)

Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sun 07/06/2020 13:31:30
The plot thickens ...
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a medic/physician ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Sun 07/06/2020 14:51:22
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sun 07/06/2020 15:23:55
If i were a detective i‘d most likely be fired by now ....
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Sun 07/06/2020 15:35:36
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 07/06/2020 16:03:59
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Is the accomplice female?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Sun 07/06/2020 17:51:47
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sun 07/06/2020 19:48:53
This riddle has the potential for the screenplay
of a computer game or a movie :-))

Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Mon 08/06/2020 11:16:12
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)
Is the accomplice female?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ? (Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no, if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Mon 08/06/2020 11:44:36
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ?
(Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no,
if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)

Sorry for the ambiguous question, what I wanted to ask is:

Did something bump into the victim's corpse ?

Did the victim's face look like the wax figure's face beforehand
(i.e. it was not modeled with wax to look like the wax figure's face) ?
Did the preserving agent drip from the victim's corpse ?
Is the victim older than the killer ?
Was it a ritual murder ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 08/06/2020 12:12:23
So, this is what we know: The male killer is a mortician. He has a female accomplice who makes wax statues for the museum. The female victim, who is a lookalike for a celebrity the killer is attracted to (as far as I understand it), is killed by injecting embalming fluid (or something of the sort). Then the accomplice makes her look like the wax statue (of the celebrity), and they swap them to hide the body. Due to all the visitors and their body heat, the body deteriorates and eventually begins to smell, which is when the murder is discovered.


What we don't know, is the motive. It's not revenge, money, shutting the victim up, nor a crime of passion.

Does the murderer gain on the victim's death?
Does the accomplice gain on the victim's death?
Does the celebrity gain on the victim's death?
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Did the lookalike no longer look like the celebrity?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Mon 08/06/2020 12:23:32
Thanks for the summary, heltenjon !
The accomplice must be the male killer's sister
From how I understood it, the victim's face didn't have
to be treated with wax, since it actually looked like the
wax figure already, I may be wrong in that, because I
didn't put my question precisely enough, will do that by editing my last post
This question was answered with YES:
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
We don't know the motive and how the victim was murdered, if the preserving agent
caused the death or if she was already dead when her blood was replaced by the agent
Also, it is not clear yet how the murder was discovered
It is obvious that something in the plan went wrong, otherwise the murder would not have
been discovered

Great riddle, I wish I had 20% of CaptainD's fertile imagination :-)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 09/06/2020 10:03:25
heltenjon's explanation nails a lot of the key aspects of this case.

Spoiler
So, this is what we know: The male killer is a mortician. He has a female accomplice who makes wax statues for the museum. The female victim, who is a lookalike for a celebrity the killer is attracted to (as far as I understand it), is killed by injecting embalming fluid (or something of the sort). Then the accomplice makes her look like the wax statue (of the celebrity), and they swap them to hide the body. Due to all the visitors and their body heat, the body deteriorates and eventually begins to smell, which is when the murder is discovered.
[close]

Re: something I am a loser said:

Spoiler
"Also, it is not clear yet how the murder was discovered
It is obvious that something in the plan went wrong, otherwise the murder would not have
been discovered"

The murder was discovered after the body began to decompose... something that had previously been prevented.  The initial plan worked perfectly, but something happened to mess up the long-term plan to conceal it...
[close]

Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
[close]

YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)
Is the accomplice female?
Did the victim's face look like the wax figure's face beforehand (i.e. it was not modeled with wax to look like the wax figure's face) ?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?
Did something bump into the victim's corpse ?
Did the preserving agent drip from the victim's corpse ?  (Not as such... it was more that a lengthy pause in the re-application of such agents caused the corpse to begin decaying)
Does the celebrity gain on the victim's death? (If there is any gain it is not intentional on the part of the celebrity, who was quite traumatised when she found out about these events and she is not in any way an accomplice)
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Did the lookalike no longer look like the celebrity? (er... well she looked less like the celebrity after her body started decomposing, but not before...)


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ? (Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no, if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)
Is the victim older than the killer ?
Was it a ritual murder ?
Does the murderer gain on the victim's death? (there is no financial gain, if that's what you meant, whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice)
Does the accomplice gain on the victim's death? (as above)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Tue 09/06/2020 10:29:28
Thanks CaptainD,
There were a few clues in your reply....

Was there some ..ahem... rather unusual sexual practice
involved in the murder ?
Did the preserving agent have to be replaced periodically?
Was a different agent used in lack of the right one?
Was the corpse temporarily unavailable for the agent treatment?
Are the wax figure's current whereabouts of importance?


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 09/06/2020 18:44:27
Is the motive wanting to kill the celebrity (and "doing" so by proxy)?
Did the accomplice lose her job at the museum? (thereby not being able to maintain the illusion)
Did something happen to the accomplice? (sickness, death, injury)
Did something happen at the museum that made it impossible to get to the statue?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Tue 09/06/2020 21:31:54
heltenjon's explanation nails a lot of the key aspects of this case.

Spoiler
So, this is what we know: The male killer is a mortician. He has a female accomplice who makes wax statues for the museum. The female victim, who is a lookalike for a celebrity the killer is attracted to (as far as I understand it), is killed by injecting embalming fluid (or something of the sort). Then the accomplice makes her look like the wax statue (of the celebrity), and they swap them to hide the body. Due to all the visitors and their body heat, the body deteriorates and eventually begins to smell, which is when the murder is discovered.
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Re: something I am a loser said:

Spoiler
"Also, it is not clear yet how the murder was discovered
It is obvious that something in the plan went wrong, otherwise the murder would not have
been discovered"

The murder was discovered after the body began to decompose... something that had previously been prevented.  The initial plan worked perfectly, but something happened to mess up the long-term plan to conceal it...
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Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
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YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)
Is the accomplice female?
Did the victim's face look like the wax figure's face beforehand (i.e. it was not modeled with wax to look like the wax figure's face) ?
Did the preserving agent have to be replaced periodically?
Are the wax figure's current whereabouts of importance? (er... to an extent, I suppose.)
Did something happen to the accomplice? (sickness, death, injury)




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?
Did something bump into the victim's corpse ?
Did the preserving agent drip from the victim's corpse ?  (Not as such... it was more that a lengthy pause in the re-application of such agents caused the corpse to begin decaying)
Does the celebrity gain on the victim's death? (If there is any gain it is not intentional on the part of the celebrity, who was quite traumatised when she found out about these events and she is not in any way an accomplice)
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Did the lookalike no longer look like the celebrity? (er... well she looked less like the celebrity after her body started decomposing, but not before...)
Was there some ..ahem... rather unusual sexual practice involved in the murder ? (not sure what you had in mind but NO!  8-0)
Was a different agent used in lack of the right one?
Was the corpse temporarily unavailable for the agent treatment?
Is the motive wanting to kill the celebrity (and "doing" so by proxy)? (no, the celebrity double was not a surrogate for the real thing in that sense.)
Did the accomplice lose her job at the museum? (thereby not being able to maintain the illusion)
Did something happen at the museum that made it impossible to get to the statue?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ? (Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no, if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)
Is the victim older than the killer ?
Was it a ritual murder ?
Does the murderer gain on the victim's death? (there is no financial gain, if that's what you meant, whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice)
Does the accomplice gain on the victim's death? (as above)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 10/06/2020 00:03:27
Was the accomplice attacked?
Did the accomplice have an accident?
Did she contract a disease?
Do we need to find the motive other than an urge to kill? (You said whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice)
Did the murderer and the accomplice quarrel about what to do with the wax statue?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 10/06/2020 06:47:24
I am still stumbling across your previous answer :
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant? 
(Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)

About the motive:

Is jealousy involved in the motive ?
Did the victim insult the killer ?
Is the fact that the victim was a lookalike of the wax figure random ?
Is the victim‘s face the template for the wax figure‘s face (not clear yet to me) ?
Were the victim and the killer a couple for some time ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 10/06/2020 09:29:05
PHEW!!  You're getting very close to unlocking the whole thing now.


heltenjon's explanation nails a lot of the key aspects of this case.

Spoiler
So, this is what we know: The male killer is a mortician. He has a female accomplice who makes wax statues for the museum. The female victim, who is a lookalike for a celebrity the killer is attracted to (as far as I understand it), is killed by injecting embalming fluid (or something of the sort). Then the accomplice makes her look like the wax statue (of the celebrity), and they swap them to hide the body. Due to all the visitors and their body heat, the body deteriorates and eventually begins to smell, which is when the murder is discovered.
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Re: something I am a loser said:

Spoiler
"Also, it is not clear yet how the murder was discovered
It is obvious that something in the plan went wrong, otherwise the murder would not have
been discovered"

The murder was discovered after the body began to decompose... something that had previously been prevented.  The initial plan worked perfectly, but something happened to mess up the long-term plan to conceal it...
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And:

Spoiler
I am still stumbling across your previous answer :
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant? 
(Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
What I meant is that the killer is of the opposite gender to the celebrity, and his attraction to her (albeit this is more a deranged obsession than a normal attraction) is a key reason for the victim being chosen, since she is a lookalike for that celebrity.
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Case overview:
Spoiler

Case #63

The victim was seen by thousands of people over a period of several months without anyone realising that a crime had been committed.
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YES

Is the committed crime a murder ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved in some kind of medium ? (sort of... slightly tricky to answer this one with just yes or no!)
Was the victim‘s body easily visible to people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body complete, i.e. no body parts were removed ?
Was the victim human?
Was the crime discovered ?
Was the skin of the victim‘s face visible for the people passing by ?
Was the victim‘s body preserved from inside (its body) ?
Was the victim‘s body located in a museum ?
Was the victim seen in the flesh by the thousands of people?
Was the victim on display somewhere during the several months?
Was the victim killed by one person? (Technically yes.)
Was the victim dressed up in some way?
Did the killer replace something/someone with the victim‘s corpse ?
Did the victim look like that someone/something ?
This is probably obvious, but was the museum a wax museum?
Did heat play a role ? (Difficult to answer... in a sense it probably did)
Is the victim a lookalike of a celebrity? (YES!  Though it's a celebrity I made up for this riddle not a real-life one.)
Did a natural decay process cause the crime to be discovered?
Were there other persons/objects around the victim‘s corpse ? (Persons as in visitors, yes.  Objects yes.)
Did someone make a wax sculpture out of the victims body?
Were there more than one people involved in killing and preserving the victim?
Did someone replace a real wax sculpture with the preserved body? (There is a caveat to this but not sure how to hint at it without telling you what it actually is...)
When the wax sculpture was made of the victim‘s body, was the victim already dead by then ? (Just for clarity - there was no wax sculpture made of the victim, the victim was made to look like a wax sculpture - I think this is what you meant but the wording is a little ambiguous)
Is the victim's position at the moment the murder was discovered of importance ? (er... tricky but I'm going to say yes in that without people close enough to the victim, the crime might have never been discovered)
Was the crime detected due to a bad smell ? (maybe not the only reason but certainly the main one)
Was the victim‘s blood replaced by some preserving agent?
Is the victim one of the museum's attractions ?
Does the accomplice(s) work at the museum?
Was the murder premeditated?
Was the plan to hide the victim as a wax figure the original plan?
Do the accomplice(s) know about the murder?
Are the accomplice and the killer related to each other?
Is there only one accomplice?
Is the murderer attracted to the celebrity?
Does the murderer or the accomplice steal the original wax statue?  (Technically yes, as it was the property of the museum, although it was the work of the accomplice)
Is the killer male?
Is the method of murder important? (That is, are we supposed to guess it, or is the mystery how they got rid of the body?) (Look carefully, you already know what happened to the body) - the exact details of the murder will be difficult to work out but the occupation of the murderer is key to it, and there are already clues in the existing answers...)
Are killer and accomplice siblings ?
Does the killer work in a funeral parlour?
Is the killer a conservator ( someone who prepares corpses for funerals) ?  (I was calling him a Mortician but I think they're basically the same thing)
Is the accomplice female?
Did the victim's face look like the wax figure's face beforehand (i.e. it was not modeled with wax to look like the wax figure's face) ?
Did the preserving agent have to be replaced periodically?
Are the wax figure's current whereabouts of importance? (er... to an extent, I suppose.)
Did something happen to the accomplice? (sickness, death, injury)
Did the accomplice contract a disease?




NO

Was the victim surrounded by some sort of gaseous fluid?
Was the victim surrounded by some sort of liquid fluid? (Though in a very small sense this could be true)
Was the victim surrounded by a vacuum ?
Was the victim still alive (for most or all of the time) when seen by these people?
Was the victim a well-known or famous before he/she was killed? (The victim was not famous for who they themselves were)
Did the victim look like a mummy ?
Did the people seeing the victim realize they were looking at a dead body? (At least, not until something went wrong with the plan)
During the months on display, did the victim move in some way ?
Is the museum a museum of history ?
Is it a museum of famous murders?
Is the victim dressed up like a famous victim?
Has is something do do with revenge ?
Was the victim‘s face covered with wax ? (There was possibly some but certainly not "covered")
Does the killer bear resemblance to the victim?
Is the killer presumed dead to the public?
Does or did the killer work at the museum?  (Arg... this is a pretty big hint, but... not the actual killer...)
Did the killer accidentally kill the lookalike instead of the celebrity?
Did the killer make a wax sculpture out of the victims body? (Again... not the killer, but...)
Was this a new sculpture the killer created from the lookalike (If I've understood this question correctly)
Did a fire cause the discovery of the murder ?
Did the victim fall over, e.g. someone accidentally pushed it ?
Did the rotting process generate heat, thereby melting the wax?
Is the celebrity dead?
Is the celebrity royal?
Was the murder ordered by someone?
Did the rotting process cause some kind of explosion (E.g.Due to thermal expansion) ?
Was the victim placed by the killer ? (Not by the actual killer...)
Was the depicted celebrity somehow personally involved?
Was the victim attacked by a visitor ?
Was the original wax figure out of the museum for maintainance and then swapped/transformed? (not exactly but you're along the right lines)
Was there no original wax figure, e.g. the body of the victim is the original?
Did the victim believe he/she were substituting as a model for the wax figure?
Is the gender of victim/killer relevant?  (Not especially though a heterosexual attraction is partially involved in the choice of victim)
Did several people witness the murder ?
Was the victim's body initially frozen (when it was placed) ?
Is the victim THE attraction of the museum ?  (er... tricky.  Could be for some individuals, maybe for a certain time due to its newness, but not overall.)
Does the murderer work at the museum?
Was the motive to steal the original wax statue?
Was the victim tricked into being layered in wax to pose as the wax statue?
Did the victim believe it to be an acting job (e.g. movie abut wax statue coming to life)?
Is the celebrity's occupation relevant?
Was the victim related to one of them ?
Did someone touch the victim's body, therefore revealing the murder ? (The victim's body was processed physically but only after the crime was revealed)
Are the victim and the murderer married? (To each other, I mean) :-D
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Was the original wax statue destroyed?
Was there money involved in the crime?
Was there jealousy(crime of passion) involved in the crime?
Does either the accomplice or the killer own the museum ?
Are there more than one lookalike involved?
Is pornography somehow involved?
Is the wax figure now used for a special purpose ?
Was the initial intention not to hide the victim but to get hold of the wax figure ? ( the corpse thus only substituting the wax figure and the victim looking like the wax figure was just right for this purpose)?
Does the killer work in a morgue?
Is the killer a medic/physician ? (BUT he does have significant medical / scientific knowledge and skill)
Did the victim‘s corpse lie in a coffin ( horizontally)?
Were the victim married to the accomplice?
Is the motive to hide a secret? (To keep the victim from talking?)
Is the victim male?
Have the murderer or the accomplice also killed someone else?
Did the victim got killed so they could steal the celebrity wax figure?
Were there more corpses looking like wax figures in the museum ?
Is the wax museum part of an amusement park?
Is it part of a ghost train ?
Did something bump into the victim's corpse ?
Did the preserving agent drip from the victim's corpse ?  (Not as such... it was more that a lengthy pause in the re-application of such agents caused the corpse to begin decaying)
Does the celebrity gain on the victim's death? (If there is any gain it is not intentional on the part of the celebrity, who was quite traumatised when she found out about these events and she is not in any way an accomplice)
Is the murderer attracted to the accomplice?
Did the lookalike no longer look like the celebrity? (er... well she looked less like the celebrity after her body started decomposing, but not before...)
Was there some ..ahem... rather unusual sexual practice involved in the murder ? (not sure what you had in mind but NO!  8-0)
Was a different agent used in lack of the right one?
Was the corpse temporarily unavailable for the agent treatment?
Is the motive wanting to kill the celebrity (and "doing" so by proxy)? (no, the celebrity double was not a surrogate for the real thing in that sense.)
Did the accomplice lose her job at the museum? (thereby not being able to maintain the illusion)
Did something happen at the museum that made it impossible to get to the statue?
Was the accomplice attacked?
Did the accomplice have an accident?
Do we need to find the motive other than an urge to kill? (You said whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice) (no - the urge to kill was their only motive)
Did the murderer and the accomplice quarrel about what to do with the wax statue?
Is jealousy involved in the motive ?
Did the victim insult the killer ?
Is the fact that the victim was a lookalike of the wax figure random ?
Is the victim‘s face the template for the wax figure‘s face (not clear yet to me) ?  (No, the victim's body was treated and used IN PLACE OF the waxwork model)
Were the victim and the killer a couple for some time ?  (Nothing like that, no - their relationship as brother and sister is probably the most normal thing about them!)

IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW

Did someone missed the victim?  (People did miss the victim because they thought the victim was dead, and I don't think that's what you mean?)
Is the wax statue of great value, in a financial or emotional sense ?  (It could be of financial value I suppose, and the creator of the statue has a certain emotional attachment to it due to the many hours of work put into it, but neither of these things are important to the crime itself.)
Was the victim‘s corpse found in a vertical position? (To an extent, but the accomplices opted for an easier position to maintain without too much work, possibly sitting or leaning on something post rigor-mortis.)
Was the murder discovered due to a physical impact on the corpse ? (Not quite sure what you mean here - if you mean did someone bump into it, no, if you mean did the corpse physically decay, yes)
Is the victim older than the killer ?
Was it a ritual murder ?
Does the murderer gain on the victim's death? (there is no financial gain, if that's what you meant, whatever gain is felt is only in the twisted minds of the killer and accomplice)
Does the accomplice gain on the victim's death? (as above)

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 10/06/2020 09:49:12
I guess this was a mix-up:
QuoteWere the victim and the killer a couple for some time ?  (Nothing like that, no - their relationship as brother and sister is probably the most normal thing about them!)

Motive: solved (fixation on celebrity and urge to kill)
Method: solved (embalming fluid or something like that)
Plan: solved (hiding the body in plain sight)
The cock-up: unsolved, but we are getting there

Did the disease prevent the accomplice from going to the museum and maintaining the illusion? (Which I guess we already know is the case)
Did she get covid-19?
Did she get symptoms similar to covid-19, like the common cold? (Thereby not being allowed into the museum)


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: CaptainD on Wed 10/06/2020 10:05:15
To be honest I think you've got it heltenjon - I didn't go so far as to think about which disease she had, just that she had something that kept her away from work long enough for the body's decomposition to become obvious.


Here is the complete story:

Max and Gina Holden were siblings who both had a fascination with death and the human body.  This impacted on their career choices - Max ended up becoming a Mortician while Gina became a Wax Sculptor, making figures of famous people for a museum.

Max was completely obsessed by famous model Cindy Portobella, and when Gina was commissioned to make a wax sculpture of Cindy it triggered his long repressed urges into action, with Gina his willing accomplice.

After researching he found that there was a Celebrity Double of Cindy called Amanda Jameson living within a few hours drive.  After observing her habits for 2 weeks he kidnapped Amanda, used Scopolamine to paralyse her, suffocated her so there was no mark on the body, then drained her blood, posed her, and injected embalming fluid into her.  Then he took a burnt and unidentifiable female corpse (that he was supposed to have fully cremated) and staged a car explosion (having ascertained that Amanda smoked, he made it look like she was smoking by her car with the petrol cap left open).  Using his considerable scientific knowledge he covered his tracks forensically so successfully that the police did not seriously consider foul play.

Gina applied make-up, pastes etc to the body to make sure it looked appropriately fresh and new, and sprayed it with wax smell.  The body was posed before rigor mortis had set in and given to Gina before it subsided, so she took various measures to ensure the pose would be maintained once the body became flaccid.  Once in place, when the museum was closed she regularly re-applied whatever was necessary to the body to keep it looking and smelling as it should.  Of course no-one questioned her checking on the “model” regularly as she did this with all her real waxwork models as well.  She couldn’t bear to melt the real model that she had worked on so hard for so long, and she took this to her home - out of sight, obviously.

The plan continued to work until Gina became sick and was hospitalised for an extended period.  Without the constant care and attention she had given it the corpse soon began to decompose.  This along with the smell it created soon raised suspicion and, once the crime was found, police raided Gina’s home and found the real model. 

Although she did not tell detectives about her brother, they soon realised that whilst she was complicit in the cover-up, she had not carried out the actual murder.  Further incriminating Max was the fact that he was seen repeatedly on the museum’s security footage gazing at the “model” of his favourite celebrity, with barely a glance at any of the other models on display.  A search warrant was obtained and in his home a shrine to Cindy Portabello was found, along with his notes made whilst observing Amanda's habits.  Eventually Max confessed to the crime since he saw it as a way to show Cindy Portabello how much he loved her.

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 10/06/2020 10:35:47
Bravissimo heltenjon,
That was the breakthrough!
Really nice and clever riddle, and the names in
the solution are great :-)

Hope it won‘t be the last one , i am still
torturing my brain to make up a story of
this quality !!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 10/06/2020 10:45:37
I hope more people chime in on the next cases. I have some deadlines AND a massive computer upgrade coming up, so I won't have the time to host a case for a while. I hope someone else is able to.

Exceptional case, CaptainD!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 16/06/2020 15:40:45
Working on something a little different
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Tue 16/06/2020 16:01:42
Nice! I just started thinking of a possible new case last night, but it would need some work…

Good work on Case #63, CaptainD! I wasn't really able to play this round (and perhaps for that reason, soon lost track of what still needed to be answered), but I very much enjoyed the giallo-ness of it.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Tue 30/06/2020 15:31:26
Case #64 has been spun off into its own game and thread, CTI: Crime Team Investigation (https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=58218.0).
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 18/08/2020 13:54:08
So perhaps we should run some more Black Stories? Should we let the next Black Story be #64 (again) or #65, BTW?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 18/08/2020 14:42:40
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

Wut?!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Tue 18/08/2020 14:57:41
Was Harland a masochist?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 18/08/2020 15:21:18
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES



NO
Was Harland a masochist?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Tue 18/08/2020 15:29:15
Thanks Heltenjon for nudging this thread again.
And thanks Mandle for this new challenge !
Just to make it clear :

Is Harland still alive ?
Is/was Harland human ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 18/08/2020 15:47:06
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive ?
Is Harland human ?



NO
Was Harland a masochist?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Laura Hunt on Tue 18/08/2020 16:04:15
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Tue 18/08/2020 16:19:40
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Tue 18/08/2020 17:46:02
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Wed 19/08/2020 03:27:32
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 19/08/2020 10:19:23
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)
Did he like being in the dungeon?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 19/08/2020 13:00:36
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive?
Is Harland human?
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)



NO
Was Harland a masochist?
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself? (Not of his own free will)
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Did he like being in the dungeon?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Wed 19/08/2020 13:03:55
Is Harland still in the dungeon?
Was he released from the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 19/08/2020 13:07:52
Was Harland taken for somebody else ?
Does Harland have a lookalike?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 19/08/2020 13:38:42
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive?
Is Harland human?
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)
Was he released from the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment? (Kind of)



NO
Was Harland a masochist?
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself? (Not of his own free will)
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Did he like being in the dungeon?
Is Harland still in the dungeon?
Was Harland taken for somebody else ?
Does Harland have a lookalike?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Wed 19/08/2020 13:56:06
Was Harland sick?
Did he receive treatment for an illness while in captivity?
Did he receive treatment for an illness after he was released?
Did Harland provide a false confession?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 19/08/2020 14:59:02
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive?
Is Harland human?
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)
Was he released from the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment? (Kind of)
Did he receive treatment for an illness after he was released?



NO
Was Harland a masochist?
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself? (Not of his own free will)
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Did he like being in the dungeon?
Is Harland still in the dungeon?
Was Harland taken for somebody else ?
Does Harland have a lookalike?
Was Harland sick?
Did he receive treatment for an illness while in captivity?
Did Harland provide a false confession?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 19/08/2020 15:48:19
Is Harland's profession of importance for the solution ?
Is Harland the forename?
Is Harland the surname?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 19/08/2020 20:38:18
Was Harland locked up to preserve evidence?
Had he eaten or ingested something of importance for the case?
Was the real criminal also arrested?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Thu 20/08/2020 00:26:15
Was the real perpetrator known to Harland?
Was the real perpetrator related to Harland?
Was Harland tricked?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had committed a separate criminal act?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had done something stupid, rather than criminal?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Thu 20/08/2020 12:10:04
Did he "get what he deserved" because he benefited from being in jail?
Was Harland a victim of the crime?
Did the person who actually committed the crime get caught?
Did Harland help find the actual criminal?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Thu 20/08/2020 13:55:15
Was Harland found at the scene of the crime?
Did Harland know that a crime had been committed?
Was Harland drunk?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Thu 20/08/2020 23:45:43
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive?
Is Harland human?
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)
Was he released from the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment? (Kind of)
Did he receive treatment for an illness after he was released?
Is Harland the forename?
Did he "get what he deserved" because he benefited from being in jail?
Was Harland a victim of a crime? (Technically, yes)



NO
Was Harland a masochist?
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself? (Not of his own free will)
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Did he like being in the dungeon?
Is Harland still in the dungeon?
Was Harland taken for somebody else ?
Does Harland have a lookalike?
Was Harland sick?
Did he receive treatment for an illness while in captivity?
Did Harland provide a false confession?
Is Harland's profession of importance for the solution ?
Is Harland the surname?
Was Harland locked up to preserve evidence?
Had he eaten or ingested something of importance for the case?
Was the real criminal also arrested?
Was the real perpetrator known to Harland?
Was the real perpetrator related to Harland?
Was Harland tricked?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had committed a separate criminal act?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had done something stupid, rather than criminal?
Did the person who actually committed the crime get caught?
Did Harland help find the actual criminal?
Was Harland found at the scene of the crime?
Did Harland know that a crime had been committed?
Was Harland drunk?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Fri 21/08/2020 09:51:33
Is the committed crime a murder?
Is the committed crime a burglary?
Did Harland get injured in the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment in terms of money?
Was there a crime committed at all?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Fri 21/08/2020 11:03:29
Was he put in the dungeon for his own protection?
Was he put in the dungeon to protect others?
Was he the same form going into the dungeon as he was coming out?
Was he a werewolf?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Fri 21/08/2020 11:51:42
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive?
Is Harland human?
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)
Was he released from the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment? (Kind of)
Did he receive treatment for an illness after he was released?
Is Harland the forename?
Did he "get what he deserved" because he benefited from being in jail?
Was Harland a victim of a crime? (Technically, yes)
Did Harland get injured in the dungeon?
Was he the same form going into the dungeon as he was coming out?
Was he put in the dungeon to protect others?



NO
Was Harland a masochist?
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself? (Not of his own free will)
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Did he like being in the dungeon?
Is Harland still in the dungeon?
Was Harland taken for somebody else ?
Does Harland have a lookalike?
Was Harland sick?
Did he receive treatment for an illness while in captivity?
Did Harland provide a false confession?
Is Harland's profession of importance for the solution ?
Is Harland the surname?
Was Harland locked up to preserve evidence?
Had he eaten or ingested something of importance for the case?
Was the real criminal also arrested?
Was the real perpetrator known to Harland?
Was the real perpetrator related to Harland?
Was Harland tricked?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had committed a separate criminal act?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had done something stupid, rather than criminal?
Did the person who actually committed the crime get caught?
Did Harland help find the actual criminal?
Was Harland found at the scene of the crime?
Did Harland know that a crime had been committed?
Was Harland drunk?
Is the committed crime a murder?
Is the committed crime a burglary?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment in terms of money?
Was there a crime committed at all?
Was he put in the dungeon for his own protection?
Was he a werewolf?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Fri 21/08/2020 11:56:47
I will mention here that I missed a nuance of language in responding to a question before:

The original question was:

YES
Was Harland a victim of the crime? (Technically, yes)


Which has been adjusted to:

YES
Was Harland a victim of a crime? (Technically, yes)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Fri 21/08/2020 13:00:11
Did Harland know that he was innocent?
Did Harland suffer from some unusual mental incapacity? (Such as amnesia, delusions, narcolepsy…)
Was Harland's imprisonment legal (according to the local laws)?
Was the crime Harland was suspected of supernatural in some way?
Was Harland the victim of prejudice against some class that he belonged to?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 21/08/2020 13:08:04
Was Harland in covid-19 Quarantine?
Is his reward being healthy?
Was Harland bitten by a zombie?
Has Harland amputated any body parts while in the dungeon?
Was Harland suspected of being infected?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Fri 21/08/2020 13:52:26
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive?
Is Harland human?
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)
Was he released from the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment? (Kind of)
Did he receive treatment for an illness after he was released?
Is Harland the forename?
Did he "get what he deserved" because he benefited from being in jail?
Was Harland a victim of a crime? (Technically, yes)
Did Harland get injured in the dungeon?
Was he the same form going into the dungeon as he was coming out?
Was he put in the dungeon to protect others?
Did Harland know that he was innocent?
Was Harland the victim of prejudice against some class that he belonged to?
Is his reward being healthy?
Was there a crime committed at all? (After reexamination of the wording, yes, but not by Harland)
Did Harland know that a crime had been committed? (Yes, but against him, not by him)
Is Harland a victim of police brutality? (If being dragged into a dungeon cell without having committed a crime is that then yes)
Is he hungry? (By the time he got out of the dungeon, yes)



NO
Was Harland a masochist?
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself? (Not of his own free will)
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Did he like being in the dungeon?
Is Harland still in the dungeon?
Was Harland taken for somebody else ?
Does Harland have a lookalike?
Was Harland sick?
Did he receive treatment for an illness while in captivity?
Did Harland provide a false confession?
Is Harland's profession of importance for the solution ?
Is Harland the surname?
Was Harland locked up to preserve evidence?
Had he eaten or ingested something of importance for the case?
Was the real criminal also arrested?
Was the real perpetrator known to Harland?
Was the real perpetrator related to Harland?
Was Harland tricked?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had committed a separate criminal act?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had done something stupid, rather than criminal?
Did the person who actually committed the crime get caught?
Did Harland help find the actual criminal?
Was Harland found at the scene of the crime?
Was Harland drunk?
Is the committed crime a murder?
Is the committed crime a burglary?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment in terms of money?
Was he put in the dungeon for his own protection?
Was he a werewolf?
Did Harland suffer from some unusual mental incapacity? (Such as amnesia, delusions, narcolepsy…)
Was Harland's imprisonment legal (according to the local laws)?
Was the crime Harland was suspected of supernatural in some way?
Was Harland in covid-19 Quarantine?
Was Harland bitten by a zombie?
Has Harland amputated any body parts while in the dungeon?
Was Harland suspected of being infected?
Is Harland black?
Is Harland homeless?
Is he hungry? (Not at the time of imprisonment, no)
Could he sue for wrongful imprisonment? (He could try I suppose, but not likely to get anything out of it)
Was Harland put in the dungeon for a crime he didn’t commit yet (as in, he was going to commit a crime but was locked up before he could commit it)?
Does he have multiple personalities?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Fri 21/08/2020 13:59:10
After some reexamining of my replies I noticed another two slight errors:

YES
Was there a crime committed at all? (After reexamination of the wording, yes, but not by Harland)
Did Harland know that a crime had been committed? (Yes, but against him, not by him)


Have both been moved to the "Yes" category.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 21/08/2020 14:12:18
Is Harland black?
Is Harland a victim of police brutality?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Fri 21/08/2020 14:52:58
Quote from: heltenjon on Fri 21/08/2020 14:12:18
Is Harland black?
Is Harland a victim of police brutality?

Replies included above for brevity.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: mkennedy on Fri 21/08/2020 15:08:17
Is Harland homeless?
Is he Hungry?
EDIT:
Could he sue for wrongful imprisonment?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Fri 21/08/2020 15:44:57
Was Harland put in the dungeon for a crime he didn’t commit yet (as in, he was going to commit a crime but was locked up before he could commit it)?

[Edit]
Does he have multiple personalities?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sat 22/08/2020 13:00:54
Replies included above for brevity.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Sat 22/08/2020 14:02:54
Did Harland get attacked while in jail?
Was Harland released because he needed treatment?
Was it a long time after his imprisonment that Harland received his compensation?
Is Harland gay?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sat 22/08/2020 15:57:33
Was there anyone else in the dungeon with him?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 22/08/2020 16:49:08
Is the geographic location relevant?
Did something happen on the outside that caused his release?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Sat 22/08/2020 19:30:34
Was the crime Harland was a victim of simply being put in jail illegally?
Did something happen outside that he escaped because he was in jail?
Was the treatment he received after his release for starvation?
Would what Harland was accused of be a crime in the UK today?
Was the jail Harland was put into on land and on Earth?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sat 22/08/2020 23:23:33
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive?
Is Harland human?
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)
Was he released from the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment? (Kind of)
Did he receive treatment for an illness after he was released?
Is Harland the forename?
Did he "get what he deserved" because he benefited from being in jail?
Was Harland a victim of a crime? (Technically, yes)
Did Harland get injured in the dungeon?
Was he the same form going into the dungeon as he was coming out?
Was he put in the dungeon to protect others?
Did Harland know that he was innocent?
Was Harland the victim of prejudice against some class that he belonged to?
Is his reward being healthy?
Was there a crime committed at all? (After reexamination of the wording, yes, but not by Harland)
Did Harland know that a crime had been committed? (Yes, but against him, not by him)
Is Harland a victim of police brutality? (If being dragged into a dungeon cell without having committed a crime is that then yes)
Is he hungry? (By the time he got out of the dungeon, yes)
Is the geographic location relevant?
Did something happen on the outside that caused his release? (Indirectly, though, but yes)
Was the crime Harland was a victim of simply being put in jail illegally?
Did something happen outside that he avoided because he was in jail? (I changed the word "escaped" here to "avoided" to avoid confusion with "escaped from jail")
Would what Harland was accused of be a crime in the UK today?
Was the jail Harland was put into on land and on Earth?
Was there a natural disaster outside?



NO
Was Harland a masochist?
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself? (Not of his own free will)
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Did he like being in the dungeon?
Is Harland still in the dungeon?
Was Harland taken for somebody else ?
Does Harland have a lookalike?
Was Harland sick?
Did he receive treatment for an illness while in captivity?
Did Harland provide a false confession?
Is Harland's profession of importance for the solution ?
Is Harland the surname?
Was Harland locked up to preserve evidence?
Had he eaten or ingested something of importance for the case?
Was the real criminal also arrested?
Was the real perpetrator known to Harland?
Was the real perpetrator related to Harland?
Was Harland tricked?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had committed a separate criminal act?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had done something stupid, rather than criminal?
Did the person who actually committed the crime get caught?
Did Harland help find the actual criminal?
Was Harland found at the scene of the crime?
Was Harland drunk?
Is the committed crime a murder?
Is the committed crime a burglary?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment in terms of money?
Was he put in the dungeon for his own protection?
Was he a werewolf?
Did Harland suffer from some unusual mental incapacity? (Such as amnesia, delusions, narcolepsy…)
Was Harland's imprisonment legal (according to the local laws)?
Was the crime Harland was suspected of supernatural in some way?
Was Harland in covid-19 Quarantine?
Was Harland bitten by a zombie?
Has Harland amputated any body parts while in the dungeon?
Was Harland suspected of being infected?
Is Harland black?
Is Harland homeless?
Is he hungry? (Not at the time of imprisonment, no)
Could he sue for wrongful imprisonment? (He could try I suppose, but not likely to get anything out of it)
Was Harland put in the dungeon for a crime he didn’t commit yet (as in, he was going to commit a crime but was locked up before he could commit it)?
Does he have multiple personalities?
Did Harland get attacked while in jail?
Was Harland released because he needed treatment? (No, he would have been released regardless)
Was it a long time after his imprisonment that Harland received his compensation?
Is Harland gay?
Was there anyone else in the dungeon with him?
Was the treatment he received after his release for starvation?
Did this happen in Europe?
Was there a plague outside?
Was the dungeon/jail destroyed? (Damaged but not destroyed)
Was there a change in political power outside? (Not in the way I'm assuming you mean. No coup or revolution.)


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 23/08/2020 00:20:57
Did this happen in Europe?
Was there a natural disaster outside?
Was there a plague outside?
Was the dungeon/jail destroyed?
Was there a change in political power outside?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 23/08/2020 01:09:42
Replies undated above for brevity.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sun 23/08/2020 06:52:06
YES
Was there a natural disaster outside?


Did the natural disaster also affect the dungeon ?
Was the natural disaster a flood?
Was the natural disaster a fire?
Was the natural disaster an earthquake?
Did the natural disaster open the dungeon for Harland to get out?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 23/08/2020 10:40:53
Have the disaster happened IRL?
Does this story happen at present time?
Are Harland's injuries caused by the natural disaster/the jail being damaged?
Did this happen in Asia?
Did this happen in the Americas?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Kastchey on Sun 23/08/2020 11:58:31
Was Harland trying to alert someone of the incoming disaster?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: mkennedy on Sun 23/08/2020 17:12:45
Was the disaster a hurricane?
Did Harland get food and water while in jail?
Was the food nothing but bread?
Was he in jail for more than a week?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Sun 23/08/2020 21:46:12
Did Harland do a hunger strike while in the dungeon?
Was he not feed on purpose?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 24/08/2020 09:29:14
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive?
Is Harland human?
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)
Was he released from the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment? (Kind of)
Did he receive treatment for an illness after he was released?
Is Harland the forename?
Did he "get what he deserved" because he benefited from being in jail?
Was Harland a victim of a crime? (Technically, yes)
Did Harland get injured in the dungeon?
Was he the same form going into the dungeon as he was coming out?
Was he put in the dungeon to protect others?
Did Harland know that he was innocent?
Was Harland the victim of prejudice against some class that he belonged to?
Is his reward being healthy?
Was there a crime committed at all? (After reexamination of the wording, yes, but not by Harland)
Did Harland know that a crime had been committed? (Yes, but against him, not by him)
Is Harland a victim of police brutality? (If being dragged into a dungeon cell without having committed a crime is that then yes)
Is he hungry? (By the time he got out of the dungeon, yes)
Is the geographic location relevant?
Did something happen on the outside that caused his release? (Indirectly, though, but yes)
Was the crime Harland was a victim of simply being put in jail illegally?
Did something happen outside that he avoided because he was in jail? (I changed the word "escaped" here to "avoided" to avoid confusion with "escaped from jail")
Would what Harland was accused of be a crime in the UK today?
Was the jail Harland was put into on land and on Earth?
Was there a natural disaster outside?
Did the natural disaster also affect the dungeon ?
Have the disaster happened IRL? (Yes, this kind of disaster has happened in real life)
Are Harland's injuries caused by the natural disaster/the jail being damaged?
Did this happen in Asia?
Was he not fed on purpose?
Did this happen more than 100 years ago?



NO
Was Harland a masochist?
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself? (Not of his own free will)
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Did he like being in the dungeon?
Is Harland still in the dungeon?
Was Harland taken for somebody else ?
Does Harland have a lookalike?
Was Harland sick?
Did he receive treatment for an illness while in captivity?
Did Harland provide a false confession?
Is Harland's profession of importance for the solution ?
Is Harland the surname?
Was Harland locked up to preserve evidence?
Had he eaten or ingested something of importance for the case?
Was the real criminal also arrested?
Was the real perpetrator known to Harland?
Was the real perpetrator related to Harland?
Was Harland tricked?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had committed a separate criminal act?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had done something stupid, rather than criminal?
Did the person who actually committed the crime get caught?
Did Harland help find the actual criminal?
Was Harland found at the scene of the crime?
Was Harland drunk?
Is the committed crime a murder?
Is the committed crime a burglary?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment in terms of money?
Was he put in the dungeon for his own protection?
Was he a werewolf?
Did Harland suffer from some unusual mental incapacity? (Such as amnesia, delusions, narcolepsy…)
Was Harland's imprisonment legal (according to the local laws)?
Was the crime Harland was suspected of supernatural in some way?
Was Harland in covid-19 Quarantine?
Was Harland bitten by a zombie?
Has Harland amputated any body parts while in the dungeon?
Was Harland suspected of being infected?
Is Harland black?
Is Harland homeless?
Is he hungry? (Not at the time of imprisonment, no)
Could he sue for wrongful imprisonment? (He could try I suppose, but not likely to get anything out of it)
Was Harland put in the dungeon for a crime he didn’t commit yet (as in, he was going to commit a crime but was locked up before he could commit it)?
Does he have multiple personalities?
Did Harland get attacked while in jail?
Was Harland released because he needed treatment? (No, he would have been released regardless)
Was it a long time after his imprisonment that Harland received his compensation?
Is Harland gay?
Was there anyone else in the dungeon with him?
Was the treatment he received after his release for starvation?
Did this happen in Europe?
Was there a plague outside?
Was the dungeon/jail destroyed? (Damaged but not destroyed)
Was there a change in political power outside? (Not in the way I'm assuming you mean. No coup or revolution.)
Was the natural disaster a flood?
Was the natural disaster a fire?
Was the natural disaster an earthquake?
Did the natural disaster open the dungeon for Harland to get out?
Does this story happen at present time?
Did this happen in the Americas?
Was Harland trying to alert someone of the incoming disaster?
Was the disaster a hurricane?
Did Harland get food and water while in jail?
Was the food nothing but bread?
Was he in jail for more than a week?
Did Harland do a hunger strike while in the dungeon?
Did this happen in Japan?
Was the natural disaster a tsunami?
Was the social class Harland belonged to western/caucasian?
Was Harland suspected of espionage?
Was Harland on a (voluntary) diet?
Is Harland's religious confession of importance ?
Are very low temperatures involved in the disaster?
Was Harland a soldier at that time?
Did this happen on the Asian continent?
Did this happen more than 1000 years ago?
Was the disaster weather-related?
Was the disaster caused by animals?
Was the disaster caused by some astronomic event?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 24/08/2020 12:24:10
Did this happen in Japan?
Was the natural disaster a tsunami?
Was the social class Harland belonged to western/caucasian?
Was Harland suspected of espionage?
Did this happen more than 100 years ago?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Mon 24/08/2020 12:33:08
Was Harland on a (voluntary) diet?
Is Harland's religious confession of importance ?
Are very low temperatures involved in the disaster?
Was Harland a soldier at that time?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 24/08/2020 12:46:57
Answers updated above for brevity.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Snarky on Mon 24/08/2020 14:16:58
Did this happen on the Asian continent?
Did this happen more than 1000 years ago?
Was the disaster weather-related?
Was the disaster caused by animals?
Was the disaster caused by some astronomic event?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 24/08/2020 14:38:42
Updated above.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Mon 24/08/2020 14:49:26
Was the disaster a volcanic eruption ?
Is Harland a celebrity ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Mon 24/08/2020 16:49:20
Did this happen more than 200 years ago?
Did Harland deserved to be free?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Mon 24/08/2020 17:19:44
Was the natural disaster a wildfire?
Was the natural disaster an avalanche?
Was the natural disaster a tornado?

Was Harland released from the dungeon by a human.
Was Harland released from the dungeon by the natural disaster.


Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 24/08/2020 22:52:14
Did this happen in Indonesia?
Did being in the dungeon save Harland's life?
Was he rescued by people looking for survivors? (Not released per se...)
Was the epicenter of the disaster far off?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: mkennedy on Tue 25/08/2020 00:11:31
Was the disaster an earthquake?
Was the jail on an island?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 26/08/2020 09:16:09
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

YES
Is Harland still alive?
Is Harland human?
Is the dungeon a police jail?
Was he forced into the dungeon?
Was he locked in on purpose?
Is the dungeon real? (Not metaphorical or virtual/computerized.)
Was he released from the dungeon?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment? (Kind of)
Did he receive treatment for an illness after he was released?
Is Harland the forename?
Did he "get what he deserved" because he benefited from being in jail?
Was Harland a victim of a crime? (Technically, yes)
Did Harland get injured in the dungeon?
Was he the same form going into the dungeon as he was coming out?
Was he put in the dungeon to protect others?
Did Harland know that he was innocent?
Was Harland the victim of prejudice against some class that he belonged to?
Is his reward being healthy?
Was there a crime committed at all? (After reexamination of the wording, yes, but not by Harland)
Did Harland know that a crime had been committed? (Yes, but against him, not by him)
Is Harland a victim of police brutality? (If being dragged into a dungeon cell without having committed a crime is that then yes)
Is he hungry? (By the time he got out of the dungeon, yes)
Is the geographic location relevant?
Did something happen on the outside that caused his release? (Indirectly, though, but yes)
Was the crime Harland was a victim of simply being put in jail illegally?
Did something happen outside that he avoided because he was in jail? (I changed the word "escaped" here to "avoided" to avoid confusion with "escaped from jail")
Would what Harland was accused of be a crime in the UK today?
Was the jail Harland was put into on land and on Earth?
Was there a natural disaster outside?
Did the natural disaster also affect the dungeon ?
Have the disaster happened IRL? (Yes, this kind of disaster has happened in real life)
Are Harland's injuries caused by the natural disaster/the jail being damaged?
Did this happen in Asia?
Was he not fed on purpose?
Did this happen more than 100 years ago?
Was the disaster a volcanic eruption ?
Is Harland a celebrity ? (He became one after this event, yes)
Did Harland deserved to be free? (As far as I can judge.)
Was Harland released from the dungeon by a human.
Did this happen in Indonesia? (Yes, lets go with that)
Did being in the dungeon save Harland's life?
Was he rescued by people looking for survivors?
Was the jail on an island?



NO
Was Harland a masochist?
Did Harland commit a different crime than the one he got locked up for?
Did Harland get caught on purpose?
Did he walk into the dungeon by himself? (Not of his own free will)
Was he committing a crime  when he was locked in the dungeon?
Did Harland accidentally lock himself in the dungeon?
Did Harland deliberately lock himself in the dungeon?
Was he covering for the person who actually committed the crime?
Did he like being in the dungeon?
Is Harland still in the dungeon?
Was Harland taken for somebody else ?
Does Harland have a lookalike?
Was Harland sick?
Did he receive treatment for an illness while in captivity?
Did Harland provide a false confession?
Is Harland's profession of importance for the solution ?
Is Harland the surname?
Was Harland locked up to preserve evidence?
Had he eaten or ingested something of importance for the case?
Was the real criminal also arrested?
Was the real perpetrator known to Harland?
Was the real perpetrator related to Harland?
Was Harland tricked?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had committed a separate criminal act?
Did he get “what he deserved” because he had done something stupid, rather than criminal?
Did the person who actually committed the crime get caught?
Did Harland help find the actual criminal?
Was Harland found at the scene of the crime?
Was Harland drunk?
Is the committed crime a murder?
Is the committed crime a burglary?
Was he compensated for his wrongful imprisonment in terms of money?
Was he put in the dungeon for his own protection?
Was he a werewolf?
Did Harland suffer from some unusual mental incapacity? (Such as amnesia, delusions, narcolepsy…)
Was Harland's imprisonment legal (according to the local laws)?
Was the crime Harland was suspected of supernatural in some way?
Was Harland in covid-19 Quarantine?
Was Harland bitten by a zombie?
Has Harland amputated any body parts while in the dungeon?
Was Harland suspected of being infected?
Is Harland black?
Is Harland homeless?
Is he hungry? (Not at the time of imprisonment, no)
Could he sue for wrongful imprisonment? (He could try I suppose, but not likely to get anything out of it)
Was Harland put in the dungeon for a crime he didn’t commit yet (as in, he was going to commit a crime but was locked up before he could commit it)?
Does he have multiple personalities?
Did Harland get attacked while in jail?
Was Harland released because he needed treatment? (No, he would have been released regardless)
Was it a long time after his imprisonment that Harland received his compensation?
Is Harland gay?
Was there anyone else in the dungeon with him?
Was the treatment he received after his release for starvation?
Did this happen in Europe?
Was there a plague outside?
Was the dungeon/jail destroyed? (Damaged but not destroyed)
Was there a change in political power outside? (Not in the way I'm assuming you mean. No coup or revolution.)
Was the natural disaster a flood?
Was the natural disaster a fire?
Was the natural disaster an earthquake?
Did the natural disaster open the dungeon for Harland to get out?
Does this story happen at present time?
Did this happen in the Americas?
Was Harland trying to alert someone of the incoming disaster?
Was the disaster a hurricane?
Did Harland get food and water while in jail?
Was the food nothing but bread?
Was he in jail for more than a week?
Did Harland do a hunger strike while in the dungeon?
Did this happen in Japan?
Was the natural disaster a tsunami?
Was the social class Harland belonged to western/caucasian?
Was Harland suspected of espionage?
Was Harland on a (voluntary) diet?
Is Harland's religious confession of importance ?
Are very low temperatures involved in the disaster?
Was Harland a soldier at that time?
Did this happen on the Asian continent?
Did this happen more than 1000 years ago?
Was the disaster weather-related?
Was the disaster caused by animals?
Was the disaster caused by some astronomic event?
Did this happen more than 200 years ago?
Was the natural disaster a wildfire?
Was the natural disaster an avalanche?
Was the natural disaster a tornado?
Was Harland released from the dungeon by the natural disaster.
Was the epicenter of the disaster far off?


IRRELEVANT / IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 26/08/2020 09:18:14
I think there's enough information now, and enough people who know what's going on, for someone to complete this round with a solution.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Wed 26/08/2020 11:16:20
Was Harland put in the dungeon specifically to save him from the volcanic eruption?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 26/08/2020 11:38:22
Has Harland's story been published in a book IRL, e.g. such as Robinson Crusoe ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 26/08/2020 11:46:03
Harland was arrested on suspicion of something we don't know, because of prejudice against his social class or similar.

Other than that, I guess the rest of the solution is that the Krakatoa eruption happened, killing people outside and damaging the jail. Then Harland became a celebrity because he was rescued - a survivor near the volcano.

Edit: Was Harland or his class given the blame for the smoking volcano, then put in jail to prevent an eruption?
Was Harland a witch/witch doctor?
Was Harland a king or other ruler?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 26/08/2020 11:56:12
Case #64

Harland was a good man who was locked in a dungeon for a crime he didn't commit but got what he deserved.

SOLVED!!!

Quote from: heltenjon on Wed 26/08/2020 11:46:03
Harland was arrested on suspicion of something we don't know, because of prejudice against his social class or similar.

Other than that, I guess the rest of the solution is that the Krakatoa eruption happened, killing people outside and damaging the jail. Then Harland became a celebrity because he was rescued - a survivor near the volcano.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

I based this case on the real life case of Ludger Sylbaris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludger_Sylbaris) who was (he insisted) falsely accused of a crime and imprisoned in an underground dungeon cell just before a nearby volcano erupted, killing pretty much everyone else of the other 30,000+ population of the island.

Rescuers found him days later, burned and barely clinging to life, while sifting through the rubble and extracted him from the cell.

His imprisonment had saved his life.

He later became a celebrity touring with a major circus, displaying his burn wounds, hyped as the only man ever to survive a direct blast from a volcanic eruption.

I changed several key factors in the real-life story so the riddle would not be guessed too fast or be Googlable.

(The backstory I had in mind, which was reflected in a few of my answers but is a bit unimportant for the solution, was that "Harland" was a man of low birth who planned to elope with the Mayor's daughter but the corrupt Mayor made up a false criminal accusation and had him thrown in the dungeon.)

Over to whoever has a new one for us to have a go at!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 27/08/2020 09:31:21
Case #65

In the home of Barney and Greta we find two dead bodies and a note on the floor.
What happened here?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 27/08/2020 11:00:30
Are Barney and Greta still alive?
Are the dead bodies human?
Did either Barney or Greta write the note?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Laura Hunt on Thu 27/08/2020 11:02:28
Are Barney and Greta human?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 27/08/2020 11:38:47
Case #65

In the home of Barney and Greta we find two dead bodies and a note on the floor.
What happened here?


YES
Are Barney and Greta human?
Are the dead bodies human?
Did either Barney or Greta write the note?
Is Barney one of the dead bodies?
Is the note a suicide note?
Was the note written before the two people died?
Are either of the dead bodies the victims of murder?
Did Barney write the note?
Is jealousy involved?
Did the non-Greta dead person kill Barney?
Did Barney kill the non-Greta person?


NO
Is Greta one of the dead bodies?
Did Greta write the note?
Is the second victim female?
Did Barney kill Greta?
Did Greta kill Barney?
Did either of the dead people actually commit suicide?
Did Barney write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Greta?
Did Greta write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Barney?
Did the non-Greta dead person write the suicide note to appear to be from either Barney or Greta?
Did either Barney of Greta write the suicide note to appear to be from the non-Greta dead person?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Are Barney and Greta still alive?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Laura Hunt on Thu 27/08/2020 11:42:49
Is Barney one of the dead bodies?
Is Greta one of the dead bodies?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Thu 27/08/2020 11:46:10
Is the note a suicide note?
Was the note written before the two people died?
Are either of the dead bodies the victims of murder?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 27/08/2020 12:16:34
Trying to use Mandle's trick by including the answers above using edit.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 27/08/2020 12:24:43
Did Greta write the note?
Did Barney write the note?
Is the second victim female?
Is jealousy involved?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Thu 27/08/2020 12:27:52
Did Barney kill Greta?
Did Greta kill Barney?
Did the non-Greta dead person kill Barney?
Did Barney kill the non-Greta person?
Did either of the dead people actually commit suicide?
Did Barney write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Greta?
Did Greta write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Barney?
Did the non-Greta dead person write the suicide note to appear to be from either Barney or Greta?
Did either Barney of Greta write the suicide note to appear to be from the non-Greta dead person?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 27/08/2020 13:47:22
Updated answers above.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Thu 27/08/2020 13:53:32
Is Greta still alive?
Does Greta know what really happened?
Were Barney and non-Greta lovers?
Did Barney really intend to kill himself?
Did Barney make a promise to leave Greta?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 27/08/2020 15:03:01
Did Barney and the second victim die the same way?
Does Greta benefit from their deaths?
Were Barney and Greta a couple?
Is there a fourth person involved?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Thu 27/08/2020 16:03:41
Is the unknown victim an adult?
Did the unknown victim kill Barney?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: mkennedy on Thu 27/08/2020 18:38:16
Did the killer force Barney to write the note?
For the next post answering questions I suggest you have one on this page so people won't have to flip back to the previous page.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 28/08/2020 02:49:01
Case #65

In the home of Barney and Greta we find two dead bodies and a note on the floor.
What happened here?


YES
Are Barney and Greta human?
Are the dead bodies human?
Did either Barney or Greta write the note?
Is Barney one of the dead bodies?
Is the note a suicide note?
Was the note written before the two people died?
Are either of the dead bodies the victims of murder?
Did Barney write the note?
Is jealousy involved?
Did the non-Greta dead person kill Barney?
Did Barney kill the non-Greta person?
Is Greta still alive?
Did Barney really intend to kill himself?
Were Barney and Greta a couple?
Is the unknown victim an adult?
Did the unknown victim kill Barney?
Was the second victim Greta's lover?
Did Barney think the second victim was Greta's lover?
Did Greta have a lover?
Did Barney kill the other victim deliberately?
Were both bodies found in the same room?
Was either victim strangled?


NO
Is Greta one of the dead bodies?
Did Greta write the note?
Is the second victim female?
Did Barney kill Greta?
Did Greta kill Barney?
Did either of the dead people actually commit suicide?
Did Barney write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Greta?
Did Greta write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Barney?
Did the non-Greta dead person write the suicide note to appear to be from either Barney or Greta?
Did either Barney of Greta write the suicide note to appear to be from the non-Greta dead person?
Does Greta know what really happened?
Were Barney and non-Greta lovers?
Did Barney make a promise to leave Greta?
Did Barney and the second victim die the same way?
Does Greta benefit from their deaths?
Is there a fourth person involved?
Did the killer force Barney to write the note?
Did Greta announce to leave Barney?
Was Greta at home when the two victims died?
Was the second victim's death caused by the first person's death ?(Regardless of who died first) A bit unsure what you mean here.
Was Barney's plan to kill Greta instead of the other victim?
Did Barney AND the other person both poison a meal they were sharing? (Great suggestion, though.)
Was the second victim there to kill Barney?
Did Barney and the second victim die in a duel ?
Did the other victim kill Barney deliberately?
Was either victim stabbed?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Are Barney and Greta still alive?


Quote from: mkennedy on Thu 27/08/2020 18:38:16
For the next post answering questions I suggest you have one on this page so people won't have to flip back to the previous page.

Sorry, it was on the same page for me. I guess it may depend on your setup.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Fri 28/08/2020 08:38:58
Did Greta announce to leave Barney?
Was Greta at home when the two victims died?
Was the second victim's death caused by the first person's death ?(Regardless of who died first)
EDIT: Was Barney's plan to kill Greta instead of the other victim?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 28/08/2020 09:51:17
Answers updated.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Fri 28/08/2020 10:29:29
Did Barney AND the other person both poison a meal they were sharing?
Is the unknown victim a woman?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Fri 28/08/2020 10:39:25
JackPutter: That's already been answered here: "Is the second victim female?"

Was the second victim Greta's lover?
Did Barney thought the second victim was Greta's lover?
Did Greta had a lover?
Was the second victim there to kill Barney?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 28/08/2020 11:19:35
Answers updated again. I'll make new posts when we turn a new page, I think.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Fri 28/08/2020 11:47:54
Did Barney and the second victim die in a duel ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Fri 28/08/2020 13:38:17
Did Barney kill the other victim deliberately?
Did the other victim kill Barney deliberately?
Were both bodies found in the same room?
Was either victim strangled?
Was either victim stabbed?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 28/08/2020 13:55:20
Case #65

In the home of Barney and Greta we find two dead bodies and a note on the floor.
What happened here?


YES
Are Barney and Greta human?
Are the dead bodies human?
Did either Barney or Greta write the note?
Is Barney one of the dead bodies?
Is the note a suicide note?
Was the note written before the two people died?
Are either of the dead bodies the victims of murder?
Did Barney write the note?
Is jealousy involved?
Did the non-Greta dead person kill Barney?
Did Barney kill the non-Greta person?
Is Greta still alive?
Did Barney really intend to kill himself?
Were Barney and Greta a couple?
Is the unknown victim an adult?
Did the unknown victim kill Barney?
Was the second victim Greta's lover?
Did Barney think the second victim was Greta's lover?
Did Greta have a lover?
Did Barney kill the other victim deliberately?
Were both bodies found in the same room?
Was either victim strangled?


NO
Is Greta one of the dead bodies?
Did Greta write the note?
Is the second victim female?
Did Barney kill Greta?
Did Greta kill Barney?
Did either of the dead people actually commit suicide?
Did Barney write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Greta?
Did Greta write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Barney?
Did the non-Greta dead person write the suicide note to appear to be from either Barney or Greta?
Did either Barney of Greta write the suicide note to appear to be from the non-Greta dead person?
Does Greta know what really happened?
Were Barney and non-Greta lovers?
Did Barney make a promise to leave Greta?
Did Barney and the second victim die the same way?
Does Greta benefit from their deaths?
Is there a fourth person involved?
Did the killer force Barney to write the note?
Did Greta announce to leave Barney?
Was Greta at home when the two victims died?
Was the second victim's death caused by the first person's death ?(Regardless of who died first) A bit unsure what you mean here.
Was Barney's plan to kill Greta instead of the other victim?
Did Barney AND the other person both poison a meal they were sharing? (Great suggestion, though.)
Was the second victim there to kill Barney?
Did Barney and the second victim die in a duel ?
Did the other victim kill Barney deliberately?
Was either victim stabbed?
Did Barney invite the lover for a "chat"?
Did Barney know the lover?
Was Barney's plan to kill him?
Was Barney's plan to implicate the wife in the murder?
Every line in Mandle's solution.


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Are Barney and Greta still alive?
Were the two victims related to each other?
Did they look like each other ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Fri 28/08/2020 14:24:24
Attempted Solution:

Barney came home to find his wife, Greta, in bed with another man.

Barney freaked out and Greta and the other man fled the house.

Barney, in despair, wrote a suicide note and grabbed a knife to kill himself with.

Meanwhile, outside, Greta convinced the "other man" to go back inside and kill Barney.

The "other man" reentered the house and surprised Barney from behind, leaping onto him and grasping his neck in a death-choke.

As Barney's vision faded he managed to ram the knife backwards and upwards into the "other man"'s chest.

The knife struck true, piercing the "other man"'s heart, but this only caused his hands to lock down more forcibly on Barney's neck, sealing both their fates.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Fri 28/08/2020 16:30:44
Don't think your solution fits, it's been established that the other guy wasn't there to kill Barney and that he didn't meant to kill him.

Did Barney invited the lover for a "chat"?
Did Barney knew the lover?
Was Barney's plan to kill him?
Was Barney's plan to implicate the wife in the murder?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Fri 28/08/2020 16:47:22
Mandle's solution seems quite close to me , except that none of the victims got stabbed.

EDIT: Was the second victim's death rather accidental than intended by Barney? Obsolete,
because :Did Barney kill the other victim deliberately?
EDIT EDIT:
Were the two victims related to each other?
Did they look like each other ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Laura Hunt on Fri 28/08/2020 16:50:14
Yeah, it seems to me that Barney strangled the other guy in a fit of rage and then committed suicide after realizing what he had done. But I'm not sure about the rest of the context... Why was the other guy there? Did Barney walk in on them? Or did he come over to tell Barney that Greta was leaving him? Where's Greta? I think we have the "what" but we're missing something...
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Fri 28/08/2020 18:26:36
I'm not sure if Barney committed suicide after realising what he had done, as the suicide note was written BEFORE either of them died. Other than the fact that we know that no-one was stabbed, I think Mandle's guess is a pretty good one!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Laura Hunt on Fri 28/08/2020 19:23:12
Quote from: JackPutter on Fri 28/08/2020 18:26:36
I'm not sure if Barney committed suicide after realising what he had done, as the suicide note was written BEFORE either of them died.

Right! My bad.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 28/08/2020 20:48:17
The solution is not correct, but made a good read. Give it to the Baron in the writing thread!  :-D

The answers are updated above again.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Fri 28/08/2020 21:14:22
EDIT:
Did Barney die BEFORE the other victim died?
Was Barney strangled?
Was one of the deaths caused by poison?
Was one of the deaths caused by a gunshot?
Was one of the deaths caused by gas?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 28/08/2020 22:01:05
At least you're eliminating theories...
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 28/08/2020 22:02:34
Case #65

In the home of Barney and Greta we find two dead bodies and a note on the floor.
What happened here?


YES
Are Barney and Greta human?
Are the dead bodies human?
Did either Barney or Greta write the note?
Is Barney one of the dead bodies?
Is the note a suicide note?
Was the note written before the two people died?
Are either of the dead bodies the victims of murder?
Did Barney write the note?
Is jealousy involved?
Did the non-Greta dead person kill Barney?
Did Barney kill the non-Greta person?
Is Greta still alive?
Did Barney really intend to kill himself?
Were Barney and Greta a couple?
Is the unknown victim an adult?
Did the unknown victim kill Barney?
Was the second victim Greta's lover?
Did Barney think the second victim was Greta's lover?
Did Greta have a lover?
Did Barney kill the other victim deliberately?
Were both bodies found in the same room?
Was either victim strangled? Technically, yes.
Was Barney planning to hang himself?
Was the other victim strangled with a rope?
Was an object used to kill the lover? (See above.)
Was the lover fully dressed?


NO
Is Greta one of the dead bodies?
Did Greta write the note?
Is the second victim female?
Did Barney kill Greta?
Did Greta kill Barney?
Did either of the dead people actually commit suicide?
Did Barney write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Greta?
Did Greta write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Barney?
Did the non-Greta dead person write the suicide note to appear to be from either Barney or Greta?
Did either Barney of Greta write the suicide note to appear to be from the non-Greta dead person?
Does Greta know what really happened?
Were Barney and non-Greta lovers?
Did Barney make a promise to leave Greta?
Did Barney and the second victim die the same way?
Does Greta benefit from their deaths?
Is there a fourth person involved?
Did the killer force Barney to write the note?
Did Greta announce to leave Barney?
Was Greta at home when the two victims died?
Was the second victim's death caused by the first person's death ?(Regardless of who died first) A bit unsure what you mean here.
Was Barney's plan to kill Greta instead of the other victim?
Did Barney AND the other person both poison a meal they were sharing? (Great suggestion, though.)
Was the second victim there to kill Barney?
Did Barney and the second victim die in a duel ?
Did the other victim kill Barney deliberately?
Was either victim stabbed?
Did Barney invite the lover for a "chat"?
Did Barney know the lover?
Was Barney's plan to kill him?
Was Barney's plan to implicate the wife in the murder?
Every line in Mandle's solution.
Did Barney die BEFORE the other victim died?
Was Barney strangled?
Was one of the deaths caused by poison?
Was one of the deaths caused by a gunshot?
Was one of the deaths caused by gas?
Is Barney one of a pair of conjoined twins?
Was Barney hit over the head with a heavy object?
Did the victim get strangled by hand, i.e. manually?
When Barney killed the other victim (which should be clear), was he already
so badly injured that he knew he would die?
Was an object used to kill Barney? (Not directly, at least.)
Did Barney surprise the lover? (has in he come early home and found him there?)
Was the lover wearing only underwear?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Are Barney and Greta still alive?
Were the two victims related to each other?
Did they look like each other ?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Fri 28/08/2020 22:47:53
Is Barney one of a pair of conjoined twins?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 29/08/2020 12:39:05
Nope. (Updated list again.)

To help you a bit, I can add this:
Was either victim strangled? Technically, yes.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Sat 29/08/2020 13:17:58
Was Barney hit over the head with a heavy object?
Was Barney planning to hang himself?
Was the other victim strangled with a rope?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sat 29/08/2020 13:21:07
I was sure Mandle had it.

EDIT:
Did the victim get strangled by hand, i.e. manually?
When Barney killed the other victim (which should be clear), was he already
so badly injured that he knew he would die?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Sat 29/08/2020 16:17:00
Was an object used to kill Barney?
Was an object used to kill the lover?
Did Barney surprised the lover? (has in he come early home and found him there?
Was the lover fully dressed?
Was the lover wearing only underwear?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 29/08/2020 16:53:57
Aha! You're making significant progress!  (nod) Answers updated above again.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Sat 29/08/2020 18:43:43
Did the lover come home looking for Greta?
Did he surprise Barney during his suicide?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sat 29/08/2020 18:45:02
Something that hasn't been asked before:
Is Barney's and Greta's home a house?
Is Barney's and Greta's home an apartment?
Is it a boat/ship?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 29/08/2020 19:21:24

Case #65

In the home of Barney and Greta we find two dead bodies and a note on the floor.
What happened here?


YES
Are Barney and Greta human?
Are the dead bodies human?
Did either Barney or Greta write the note?
Is Barney one of the dead bodies?
Is the note a suicide note?
Was the note written before the two people died?
Are either of the dead bodies the victims of murder?
Did Barney write the note?
Is jealousy involved?
Did the non-Greta dead person kill Barney?
Did Barney kill the non-Greta person?
Is Greta still alive?
Did Barney really intend to kill himself?
Were Barney and Greta a couple?
Is the unknown victim an adult?
Did the unknown victim kill Barney?
Was the second victim Greta's lover?
Did Barney think the second victim was Greta's lover?
Did Greta have a lover?
Did Barney kill the other victim deliberately?
Were both bodies found in the same room?
Was either victim strangled? Technically, yes.
Was Barney planning to hang himself?
Was the other victim strangled with a rope?
Was an object used to kill the lover? (See above.)
Was the lover fully dressed?
Did the lover come home looking for Greta?
Did he surprise Barney during his suicide?
Is Barney's and Greta's home a house?


NO
Is Greta one of the dead bodies?
Did Greta write the note?
Is the second victim female?
Did Barney kill Greta?
Did Greta kill Barney?
Did either of the dead people actually commit suicide?
Did Barney write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Greta?
Did Greta write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Barney?
Did the non-Greta dead person write the suicide note to appear to be from either Barney or Greta?
Did either Barney of Greta write the suicide note to appear to be from the non-Greta dead person?
Does Greta know what really happened?
Were Barney and non-Greta lovers?
Did Barney make a promise to leave Greta?
Did Barney and the second victim die the same way?
Does Greta benefit from their deaths?
Is there a fourth person involved?
Did the killer force Barney to write the note?
Did Greta announce to leave Barney?
Was Greta at home when the two victims died?
Was the second victim's death caused by the first person's death ?(Regardless of who died first) A bit unsure what you mean here.
Was Barney's plan to kill Greta instead of the other victim?
Did Barney AND the other person both poison a meal they were sharing? (Great suggestion, though.)
Was the second victim there to kill Barney?
Did Barney and the second victim die in a duel ?
Did the other victim kill Barney deliberately?
Was either victim stabbed?
Did Barney invite the lover for a "chat"?
Did Barney know the lover?
Was Barney's plan to kill him?
Was Barney's plan to implicate the wife in the murder?
Every line in Mandle's solution.
Did Barney die BEFORE the other victim died?
Was Barney strangled?
Was one of the deaths caused by poison?
Was one of the deaths caused by a gunshot?
Was one of the deaths caused by gas?
Is Barney one of a pair of conjoined twins?
Was Barney hit over the head with a heavy object?
Did the victim get strangled by hand, i.e. manually?
When Barney killed the other victim (which should be clear), was he already
so badly injured that he knew he would die?
Was an object used to kill Barney? (Not directly, at least.)
Did Barney surprise the lover? (has in he come early home and found him there?)
Was the lover wearing only underwear?
Is Barney's and Greta's home an apartment?
Is it a boat/ship?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Are Barney and Greta still alive?
Were the two victims related to each other?
Did they look like each other ?

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Sat 29/08/2020 19:25:44
OK, so Barney strangled the lover with the rope he was going to use to hang himself, but was not significantly injured in the process. Nor was he poisoned or die from some kind of gas inhalation.

Did Barney trip over the body and hit his head?
Had the lover somehow caused a fire to start that burned Barney to death?
Did Barney drown?

(That last one's a long shot, but maybe he fell in the bath? ;))
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 29/08/2020 20:56:53
Case #65

In the home of Barney and Greta we find two dead bodies and a note on the floor.
What happened here?


YES
Are Barney and Greta human?
Are the dead bodies human?
Did either Barney or Greta write the note?
Is Barney one of the dead bodies?
Is the note a suicide note?
Was the note written before the two people died?
Are either of the dead bodies the victims of murder?
Did Barney write the note?
Is jealousy involved?
Did the non-Greta dead person kill Barney?
Did Barney kill the non-Greta person?
Is Greta still alive?
Did Barney really intend to kill himself?
Were Barney and Greta a couple?
Is the unknown victim an adult?
Did the unknown victim kill Barney?
Was the second victim Greta's lover?
Did Barney think the second victim was Greta's lover?
Did Greta have a lover?
Did Barney kill the other victim deliberately?
Were both bodies found in the same room?
Was either victim strangled? Technically, yes.
Was Barney planning to hang himself?
Was the other victim strangled with a rope?
Was an object used to kill the lover? (See above.)
Was the lover fully dressed?
Did the lover come home looking for Greta?
Did he surprise Barney during his suicide?
Is Barney's and Greta's home a house?
Did Barney hang the lover?


NO
Is Greta one of the dead bodies?
Did Greta write the note?
Is the second victim female?
Did Barney kill Greta?
Did Greta kill Barney?
Did either of the dead people actually commit suicide?
Did Barney write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Greta?
Did Greta write the suicide note so that people would think it had been written by Barney?
Did the non-Greta dead person write the suicide note to appear to be from either Barney or Greta?
Did either Barney of Greta write the suicide note to appear to be from the non-Greta dead person?
Does Greta know what really happened?
Were Barney and non-Greta lovers?
Did Barney make a promise to leave Greta?
Did Barney and the second victim die the same way?
Does Greta benefit from their deaths?
Is there a fourth person involved?
Did the killer force Barney to write the note?
Did Greta announce to leave Barney?
Was Greta at home when the two victims died?
Was the second victim's death caused by the first person's death ?(Regardless of who died first) A bit unsure what you mean here.
Was Barney's plan to kill Greta instead of the other victim?
Did Barney AND the other person both poison a meal they were sharing? (Great suggestion, though.)
Was the second victim there to kill Barney?
Did Barney and the second victim die in a duel ?
Did the other victim kill Barney deliberately?
Was either victim stabbed?
Did Barney invite the lover for a "chat"?
Did Barney know the lover?
Was Barney's plan to kill him?
Was Barney's plan to implicate the wife in the murder?
Every line in Mandle's solution.
Did Barney die BEFORE the other victim died?
Was Barney strangled?
Was one of the deaths caused by poison?
Was one of the deaths caused by a gunshot?
Was one of the deaths caused by gas?
Is Barney one of a pair of conjoined twins?
Was Barney hit over the head with a heavy object?
Did the victim get strangled by hand, i.e. manually?
When Barney killed the other victim (which should be clear), was he already
so badly injured that he knew he would die?
Was an object used to kill Barney? (Not directly, at least.)
Did Barney surprise the lover? (has in he come early home and found him there?)
Was the lover wearing only underwear?
Is Barney's and Greta's home an apartment?
Is it a boat/ship?
Did Barney trip over the body and hit his head? (No, but close)
Had the lover somehow caused a fire to start that burned Barney to death?
Did Barney drown?
Did Barney wrap loops of the rope around the lover's neck and then jump off the chair, hanging himself and choking the lover to death at the same time with his own hanging body weight?
Did the ceiling collapse on Barney?
Did the lover strive to make something collapse or fall on Barney?
Was the lover overweight?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Are Barney and Greta still alive?
Were the two victims related to each other?
Did they look like each other ?
Did the dead body fall on Barney and trap him somehow? (Perhaps, but Barney was already dead by then.)


Quote from: Riaise on Sat 29/08/2020 19:25:44
OK, so Barney strangled the lover with the rope he was going to use to hang himself, but was not significantly injured in the process. Nor was he poisoned or die from some kind of gas inhalation.

You sum it up almost correct!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sat 29/08/2020 23:02:17
Did Barney wrap loops of the rope around the lover's neck and then jump off the chair, hanging himself and choking the lover to death at the same time with his own hanging body weight?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 30/08/2020 02:17:51
Quote from: Mandle on Sat 29/08/2020 23:02:17
Did Barney wrap loops of the rope around the lover's neck and then jump off the chair, hanging himself and choking the lover to death at the same time with his own hanging body weight?

No, but I wish I had thought of that! That's an even better solution than the correct one.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Sun 30/08/2020 19:34:38
Quote from: heltenjon on Sat 29/08/2020 20:56:53
Quote from: Riaise on Sat 29/08/2020 19:25:44
OK, so Barney strangled the lover with the rope he was going to use to hang himself, but was not significantly injured in the process. Nor was he poisoned or die from some kind of gas inhalation.

You sum it up almost correct!
But I can't quite work out that last little bit. ???

Did the dead body fall on Barney and trap him somehow?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 30/08/2020 21:41:40
You are so very close to the solution! I'll nudge a bit:

Did the non-Greta dead person kill Barney?

Did Barney trip over the body and hit his head? (No, but close)
Was an object used to kill Barney? (Not directly, at least.)
Did the other victim kill Barney deliberately?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 30/08/2020 22:09:00
Did Barney hang the lover?
Did the ceiling collapse on Barney?
Did the lover strive to make something collapse or fall on Barney?
Was the lover overweight?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 30/08/2020 23:58:22
Updated answers above.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 00:12:29
Did the lover somehow manage to kill Barney while they, themself, were hanging?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 31/08/2020 00:34:46
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 00:12:29
Did the lover somehow manage to kill Barney while they, themself, were hanging?

Yes!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 00:43:11
Did the hanging lover kick Barney?
Did Barney fall onto an object that killed him?
Did the hanging lover use their legs to strangle Barney?
Did the hanging lover somehow swing into Barney, hitting him with their body?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 31/08/2020 02:48:46
(nod) (nod) (nod) Solved (nod) (nod) (nod)

Barney was unhappy when he found out that Greta was having an affair, and he decided to end it all. He wrote a suicide note and made the rope ready to hang himself. Then, all of a sudden, Greta's lover walked in. The balls of this guy! In a rage, Barney attacked him. With surprise and adrenaline on his side, Barney managed to subdue the loverboy, forcing his head into the noose and hoisting him up. Like a one-man lynch mob, he made sure that swift justice was served. The man was struggling wildly, kicking in the air. A random kick hit Barney in the head, sending him right into the edge of a table. And there they were, two dead men for Greta to discover when she came home.

Over to the next one with a case ready!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 08:14:17
Case #66

A passenger's dead body, let's call him "Ben", was identified at the scene of a plane crash, but the investigator knew something was amiss. What happened?


YES
Was the passenger, Ben, a passenger on a different plane than the one that crashed?
Was the plane a small plane? (Cessna, Piper, etc.)
Was the plane torn apart on impact? (To some extent, yes)
Did anyone else die in the plane crash?
Was the investigator an aviation crash scene investigator? (NTSB or similar)


NO
Was Ben a passenger on a different kind of transport?
Was the plane a commercial airliner? (Boeing 747, Airbus A300, etc.)
Was the plane a private jet?
Did the plane crash on takeoff?
Did the plane crash on landing?
Did the crash take place within the confines of an airport?
Was there a distress signal sent from the plane before the crash?
Was Ben killed in a way that can't be explained by injuries sustained in the crash? (Shot, stabbed, strangled, etc)
Was the passenger's (Ben's) body identified by a loved one?
Was the investigator a police detective?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED

Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Mon 31/08/2020 09:31:03
Was the passenger, Ben, a passenger on a different plane than the one that crashed?
Was Ben a passenger on a different kind of transport?
Was the plane a commercial airliner? (Boeing 747, Airbus A300, etc.)
Was the plane a private jet?
Was the plane a small plane? (Cessna, Piper, etc.)
Was the plane torn apart on impact?
Did the plane crash on takeoff?
Did the plane crash on landing?
Did the crash take place within the confines of an airport?
Was there a distress signal sent from the plane before the crash?
Did anyone else die in the plane crash?
Was Ben killed in a way that can't be explained by injuries sustained in the crash? (Shot, stabbed, strangled, etc)
Was the passenger's (Ben's) body identified by a loved one?
Was the investigator an aviation crash scene investigator? (NTSB or similar)
Was the investigator a police detective?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 09:36:11
Answered above
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Mon 31/08/2020 09:47:10
Were two planes involved in the crash?
Was there a mid-air collision?
Did a crime take place?
Was the crash accidental?
Was Ben's body found inside the wreckage of a plane?
Did Ben jump out of one plane and get hit by another, causing the crash?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 10:23:48
Quote from: JackPutter on Mon 31/08/2020 09:47:10
Did Ben jump out of one plane and get hit by another, causing the crash?

Yup, round over.  (laugh)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Mon 31/08/2020 10:32:19
Wow, a lightning round! All those years of watching Air Crash Investigation have finally paid off!

I don't have any ideas for another case so feel free to post another!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Laura Hunt on Mon 31/08/2020 10:40:03
Can anybody start a new case, or is it always whoever solved the previous one? I might have something but I think I'd rather polish it up a bit before throwing it out there...
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 10:57:50
Quote from: Laura Hunt on Mon 31/08/2020 10:40:03
Can anybody start a new case, or is it always whoever solved the previous one? I might have something but I think I'd rather polish it up a bit before throwing it out there...

It's anyone really, unless the winner specifically reserves the right I suppose.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Laura Hunt on Mon 31/08/2020 11:08:52
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 10:57:50
Quote from: Laura Hunt on Mon 31/08/2020 10:40:03
Can anybody start a new case, or is it always whoever solved the previous one? I might have something but I think I'd rather polish it up a bit before throwing it out there...

It's anyone really, unless the winner specifically reserves the right I suppose.

The idea of a winner in something like this is also kind of ambiguous, I guess, since it's such a collaborative effort. Well, except for this last one :-D

In any case, I think I'll wait a couple of cases more while I think this through, so anybody who wants to have a go at it, please go ahead.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 12:00:17
Case #67

Gwen was cleaning her father's house after he had passed away. She found his old journal from back before he was even married and started reading it. About halfway through she stopped reading and made a phone call. She continued reading the journal before falling asleep in her old bedroom. The next morning she was found murdered. What happened?


YES
Is the father's wife her mother?
Is the phone call related to Gwen reading the journal?


NO
Was Gwen murdered by the person she phoned?
Did she find out something about herself by reading the journal?
Was Gwen's father not her real father?
Is the father's wife still alive?
Does Gwen have brother(s) and/or sister(s)?
Did she find out that her father committed a crime? (unless maybe he admitted to smoking some weed in his journal)
Was Gwen poisoned?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Was Gwen the intended target?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 31/08/2020 12:06:04
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 23/05/2020 12:44:56
I thought I'd try to revive one of my favorite forum games, introduced by Kumpel in this thread (https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54576.0). The aim of the game is to solve a crime riddle:

  • The narrator gives a short description of the case they have in mind and the problem that must be solved
  • Each case only has one correct solution, determined in advance
  • To help you solve the case, you can ask any yes/no question; the narrator will only answer "Yes", "No" or "Maybe/Irrelevant"
  • Each of you may only ask 5 questions between each update by the narrator
  • Whenever you think you have solved it, you can propose your solution, and win the game if you are correct!

While the sheer playfulness of this thread is all good, and we don't have to strictly adhere to Snarky's rules set in the first post, I suggest that we try to use the max of 5 questions at a time as a rule of thumb. I think we may get more participants that way.
(Otherwise we may lose them to the threads discussing adventure games.)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 31/08/2020 12:10:30
Was Gwen murdered by the person she phoned?
Did she find out something about herself by reading the journal?
Was Gwen's father not her real father?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 12:24:17
Answered above and, yes, let's go back to the 5 question rule being enforced.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Mon 31/08/2020 12:31:16
Still can't believe that JackPutter solved the previous one in two attempts......
Thanks Mandle for the new case !

Is the father's wife still alive?
Is the father's wife her mother?
Does Gwen have brother(s) and/or sister(s)?
Did she find out that her father committed a crime?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 13:54:01
Whoops forgot to say "Answered above."
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 31/08/2020 14:17:36
Was Gwen poisoned?
Was Gwen the intended target?
Is the phone call related to Gwen reading the journal?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 31/08/2020 14:23:45
Answered above
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Laura Hunt on Mon 31/08/2020 16:29:08
Did Gwen call her partner? (husband, wife, boyfriend, whatever)
Did Gwen call a lawyer?
Did Gwen call a family member of hers? (aunt, uncle, cousins, etc)
Did she find anything related to money in the journal?
Was the murderer expecting to find her in the house?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Mon 31/08/2020 17:12:24
Did Gwen find a phone number in the journal?
EDIT: Would she still be alive if she would have fallen asleeep in another room ?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Mon 31/08/2020 17:51:00
Is the murder related to the phone call?
Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?
Is the murder male?
If the murder a human?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Mon 31/08/2020 19:23:12
Did the murderer break in to the house?
Was the murderer already in the house when Gwen arrived?
Did the murderer overhear the phone call?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Tue 01/09/2020 04:42:47
Did Gwen know she was going to get killed when she went to bed?
Did the journal reveal that her father had been murdered?
Did Gwen kill the father?
Was the phone number she called in the Journal?
Did the journal reveal something about matters of inheritance?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 01/09/2020 09:11:26
Is the country/geographic location important? (For instance a dictatorship where surveillance listens in on phone calls.)
Did the murderer also take/hide/destroy the journal?
Is this set in present time?
Is the murder method important?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Tue 01/09/2020 10:49:46
Case #67

Gwen was cleaning her father's house after he had passed away. She found his old journal from back before he was even married and started reading it. About halfway through she stopped reading and made a phone call. She continued reading the journal before falling asleep in her old bedroom. The next morning she was found murdered. What happened?


YES
Is the father's wife her mother?
Is the phone call related to Gwen reading the journal?
Did Gwen call a family member of hers? (aunt, uncle, cousins, etc)
Is the murderer male?
Is the murderer a human?
Is this set in present time?


NO
Was Gwen murdered by the person she phoned?
Did she find out something about herself by reading the journal?
Was Gwen's father not her real father?
Is the father's wife still alive?
Does Gwen have brother(s) and/or sister(s)?
Did she find out that her father committed a crime? (unless maybe he admitted to smoking some weed in his journal)
Was Gwen poisoned?
Did Gwen call her partner? (husband, wife, boyfriend, whatever)
Did Gwen call a lawyer?
Did she find anything related to money in the journal?
Was the murderer expecting to find her in the house?
Did Gwen find a phone number in the journal?
Would she still be alive if she would have fallen asleep in another room?
Is the murder related to the phone call?
Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?
Did the murderer break into the house?
Was the murderer already in the house when Gwen arrived?
Did the murderer overhear the phone call?
Did Gwen know she was going to get killed when she went to bed?
Did the journal reveal that her father had been murdered?
Did Gwen kill the father?
Did the journal reveal something about matters of inheritance?
Is the country/geographic location important? (For instance a dictatorship where surveillance listens in on phone calls.)
Did the murderer also take/hide/destroy the journal?
Is the murder method important?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Was Gwen the intended target?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Tue 01/09/2020 11:10:28
Did Gwen call the police, i.e. one of her relatives is in the police?
Did the journal contain information about a crime someone else had committed?
Did the killer also read the journal?
Was the killer mentioned in the journal?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Tue 01/09/2020 11:38:43
Are there more murders in this case than Gwen's?
Did the phone call go to voice mail?
Is it important exactly who she called?
Did the phone call alert the murderer that she's/there's someone in the house?
Did Gwen fall asleep with the journal covering her face?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Laura Hunt on Tue 01/09/2020 11:51:35
Did the murderer have keys to the house?
Was the murderer a neighbour?
Did the murderer think Gwen was an intruder?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Tue 01/09/2020 20:14:45
Did the murderer went to the house to retrieve the journal?
Is/was the journal relevant to why the murderer was in the house?
Was the murderer looking for something else than the journal?
Did the murderer kill Gwen by accident?
Was it a messy crime scene (as in lots of blood)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: mkennedy on Wed 02/09/2020 05:32:19
Something that you may want to consider when editing the answer posts is to have line breaks between them, possibly with the date of the edit to make reading the questions before the answers slightly easier.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 02/09/2020 07:10:39
Case #67

Gwen was cleaning her father's house after he had passed away. She found his old journal from back before he was even married and started reading it. About halfway through she stopped reading and made a phone call. She continued reading the journal before falling asleep in her old bedroom. The next morning she was found murdered. What happened?


YES
Is the father's wife her mother?
Is the phone call related to Gwen reading the journal?
Did Gwen call a family member of hers? (aunt, uncle, cousins, etc)
Is the murderer male?
Is the murderer a human?
Is this set in present time?
Is it important exactly who she called?
Was the murderer looking for something else than the journal?
Is what's written in the journal relevant?
Is the person she called older than Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for something of monetary value?
Was the person that Gwen phoned a relative of her father's?
Did Gwen call her uncle?
Was the murderer present in the house at the time of the murder?
Was the murderer looking for money?
Was the murderer looking for jewel(s)?
Did the killer murder Gwen in her bedroom, I mean was he in the room ?
Was Gwen's uncle mentioned in the journal?
Is the murderer a random man with no connection to the family?
Was Gwen's body found in her bedroom?
Was the murderer a thief?
Did the murderer enter the house because he thought it was empty?


NO
Was Gwen murdered by the person she phoned?
Did she find out something about herself by reading the journal?
Was Gwen's father not her real father?
Is the father's wife still alive?
Does Gwen have brother(s) and/or sister(s)?
Did she find out that her father committed a crime? (unless maybe he admitted to smoking some weed in his journal)
Was Gwen poisoned?
Did Gwen call her partner? (husband, wife, boyfriend, whatever)
Did Gwen call a lawyer?
Did she find anything related to money in the journal?
Was the murderer expecting to find her in the house?
Did Gwen find a phone number in the journal?
Would she still be alive if she would have fallen asleep in another room?
Is the murder related to the phone call?
Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?
Did the murderer break into the house?
Was the murderer already in the house when Gwen arrived?
Did the murderer overhear the phone call?
Did Gwen know she was going to get killed when she went to bed?
Did the journal reveal that her father had been murdered?
Did Gwen kill the father?
Did the journal reveal something about matters of inheritance?
Is the country/geographic location important? (For instance a dictatorship where surveillance listens in on phone calls.)
Did the murderer also take/hide/destroy the journal?
Is the murder method important?
Did Gwen call the police, i.e. one of her relatives is in the police?
Did the journal contain information about a crime someone else had committed?
Did the killer also read the journal?
Was the killer mentioned in the journal?
Are there more murders in this case than Gwen's?
Did the phone call go to voice mail?
Did the phone call alert the murderer that she's/there's someone in the house?
Did Gwen fall asleep with the journal covering her face?
Did the murderer have keys to the house?
Was the murderer a neighbour?
Did the murderer think Gwen was an intruder?
Did the murderer go to the house to retrieve the journal?
Is/was the journal relevant to why the murderer was in the house?
Did the murderer kill Gwen by accident?
Did she let her murderer into the house?
Did the phonecall come from a landline, i.e. not a mobile phone?
Does the person she called know the murderer?
Did Gwen know her murderer?
Was there something hidden in the journal?
Did the person she called tell anyone else about the conversation?
Is the father's cause of death important?
Did Gwen already know the murderer?
Did Gwen and the murderer enter the house together?
Is the phone itself the murder weapon?
Is the bed the murder weapon?
Was Gwen murdered in the same way her father died?
Was the murderer happy that Gwen died?
Did the murderer use a spare key?
Was the door locked?
Is it important where Gwen was when she called? (For instance near a window, where the reception was better.)
Did her uncle send the murderer?
Are any other relatives than her uncle involved?
Can anybody access the house without having a key? (No, it's usually all locked up)
Were there more persons in the house? (Except Gwen and probably her killer) ?
Did the murderer come into the house through a window?
Did the murderer take  money and/or jewellery from Gwen's body?
Is anything supernatural involved?
Did the murderer know that Gwen was in the house before he entered?
Did Gwen call her uncle to tell him she would be staying the night at the house?
Did the murderer know there were valuables in the house?
Did the murderer know the father?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Was Gwen the intended target?
Was it a messy crime scene (as in lots of blood)?
If someone else had made the phonecall, would this someone have been killed instead of Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for a work of art?
Was the murderer looking for a stamp(s)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 02/09/2020 08:37:37
Did she let her murderer into the house?
If someone else had made the phonecall, would this someone have been killed instead of Gwen?
Did the phonecall come from a landline, i.e. not a mobile phone?
Does the person she called know the murderer?
Did Gwen know her murderer?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 02/09/2020 09:20:46
Was there something hidden in the journal?
Is the person she called the one who killed her? (Thanks, Riaise.)
Is what's written in the journal relevant?
Did the person she called tell anyone else about the conversation?
Is the person she called older than Gwen?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Wed 02/09/2020 19:42:21
Quote from: heltenjon on Wed 02/09/2020 09:20:46
Is the person she called the one who killed her?
Already answered:
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 02/09/2020 07:10:39
Was Gwen murdered by the person she phoned?

Was the murderer looking for something of monetary value?
Was the person that Gwen phoned a relative of her father's?
Is the father's cause of death important?
Did Gwen already know the murderer?
Did Gwen and the murderer enter the house together?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Thu 03/09/2020 09:47:11
Answered above
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 03/09/2020 10:08:14
Was the murderer looking for money?
Was the murderer looking for jewel(s)?
Was the murderer looking for a work of art?
Was the murderer looking for a stamp(s)?
Did Gwen call her uncle?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: JackPutter on Thu 03/09/2020 10:11:33
I'm so completely confused by all of this... The answer to "Is the murder related to the phone call?" is no, but the answer to "Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?" is ALSO no... And apparently the murder method isn't important either!

Is the phone itself the murder weapon?
Is the bed the murder weapon?
Was the murderer present in the house at the time of the murder?
Was Gwen murdered in the same way her father died?
Was the murderer happy that Gwen died?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Thu 03/09/2020 11:24:21
Answered above.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 03/09/2020 11:43:55
Did the murderer use a spare key?
Was the door locked?
Is it important where Gwen was when she called? (For instance near a window, where the reception was better.)
Did her uncle send the murderer?
Are any other relatives than her uncle involved?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 03/09/2020 12:39:18
EDIT:Does the house contain any doors at all ?
Can anybody access the house without having a key?
Were there more persons in the house? (Except Gwen and probably her killer) ?
Did the killer murder Gwen in her bedroom, I mean was he in the room ?
EDIT:Is the type of house important?
Did the murderer come into the house through a window?
Did the murderer take  money and/or jewelery from Gwen's body?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Thu 03/09/2020 19:32:00
Quote from: JackPutter on Thu 03/09/2020 10:11:33
I'm so completely confused by all of this... The answer to "Is the murder related to the phone call?" is no, but the answer to "Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?" is ALSO no...
I was wondering about that, too. I can't work it out.

Is anything supernatural involved?
Did the murderer know that Gwen was in the house before he entered?
Was Gwen's uncle mentioned in the journal?
Is the murderer a random man with no connection to the family?
Was Gwen's body found in her bedroom?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Thu 03/09/2020 20:02:30
Did Gwen called her uncle to tell him she would be staying the night at the house?
Was the murderer a thief?
Did the murderer knew there were valuables in the house?
Did the murderer enter the house because he thought it was empty?
Did the murderer knew the father?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Fri 04/09/2020 11:56:36
Answered above.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Fri 04/09/2020 12:15:15
I'll attempt a solution. I guess Gwen called her uncle to ask for the codes to deactivate the alarm system or automatic locks. Or the uncle deactivated them remotely. Then she fell asleep and neglected to lock the doors (if that was even possible). A burglar entered the building and ended up killing Gwen when he was surprised by her presence.

The big hole in this theory is that what's written in the journal is supposed to be relevant, and unless there are some details about the building or the alarm, I don't know what it could be.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Fri 04/09/2020 13:33:01
I think you're on the right track. The murderer is a random burglar who heard that the house was now empty and didn't expect Gwen to be there. But what the phone call, uncle and journal have to do with anything is beyond me.

Was the house a family home that Gwen's father and uncle had grown up in?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her something about the house?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her to leave the door unlocked?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sat 05/09/2020 14:35:17
Case #67

Gwen was cleaning her father's house after he had passed away. She found his old journal from back before he was even married and started reading it. About halfway through she stopped reading and made a phone call. She continued reading the journal before falling asleep in her old bedroom. The next morning she was found murdered. What happened?


YES
Is the father's wife her mother?
Is the phone call related to Gwen reading the journal?
Did Gwen call a family member of hers? (aunt, uncle, cousins, etc)
Is the murderer male?
Is the murderer a human?
Is this set in present time?
Is it important exactly who she called?
Was the murderer looking for something else than the journal?
Is what's written in the journal relevant?
Is the person she called older than Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for something of monetary value?
Was the person that Gwen phoned a relative of her father's?
Did Gwen call her uncle?
Was the murderer present in the house at the time of the murder?
Was the murderer looking for money?
Was the murderer looking for jewel(s)?
Did the killer murder Gwen in her bedroom, I mean was he in the room ?
Was Gwen's uncle mentioned in the journal?
Is the murderer a random man with no connection to the family?
Was Gwen's body found in her bedroom?
Was the murderer a thief?
Did the murderer enter the house because he thought it was empty?
Did she call to ask her uncle about something? (Kind of. Enough on the "YES" side.)
Did she call to tell her uncle about something? (Again, kind of...)
Did she know about her uncle before reading the journal?


NO
Was Gwen murdered by the person she phoned?
Did she find out something about herself by reading the journal?
Was Gwen's father not her real father?
Is the father's wife still alive?
Does Gwen have brother(s) and/or sister(s)?
Did she find out that her father committed a crime? (unless maybe he admitted to smoking some weed in his journal)
Was Gwen poisoned?
Did Gwen call her partner? (husband, wife, boyfriend, whatever)
Did Gwen call a lawyer?
Did she find anything related to money in the journal?
Was the murderer expecting to find her in the house?
Did Gwen find a phone number in the journal?
Would she still be alive if she would have fallen asleep in another room?
Is the murder related to the phone call?
Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?
Did the murderer break into the house?
Was the murderer already in the house when Gwen arrived?
Did the murderer overhear the phone call?
Did Gwen know she was going to get killed when she went to bed?
Did the journal reveal that her father had been murdered?
Did Gwen kill the father?
Did the journal reveal something about matters of inheritance?
Is the country/geographic location important? (For instance a dictatorship where surveillance listens in on phone calls.)
Did the murderer also take/hide/destroy the journal?
Is the murder method important?
Did Gwen call the police, i.e. one of her relatives is in the police?
Did the journal contain information about a crime someone else had committed?
Did the killer also read the journal?
Was the killer mentioned in the journal?
Are there more murders in this case than Gwen's?
Did the phone call go to voice mail?
Did the phone call alert the murderer that she's/there's someone in the house?
Did Gwen fall asleep with the journal covering her face?
Did the murderer have keys to the house?
Was the murderer a neighbour?
Did the murderer think Gwen was an intruder?
Did the murderer go to the house to retrieve the journal?
Is/was the journal relevant to why the murderer was in the house?
Did the murderer kill Gwen by accident?
Did she let her murderer into the house?
Did the phonecall come from a landline, i.e. not a mobile phone?
Does the person she called know the murderer?
Did Gwen know her murderer?
Was there something hidden in the journal?
Did the person she called tell anyone else about the conversation?
Is the father's cause of death important?
Did Gwen already know the murderer?
Did Gwen and the murderer enter the house together?
Is the phone itself the murder weapon?
Is the bed the murder weapon?
Was Gwen murdered in the same way her father died?
Was the murderer happy that Gwen died?
Did the murderer use a spare key?
Was the door locked?
Is it important where Gwen was when she called? (For instance near a window, where the reception was better.)
Did her uncle send the murderer?
Are any other relatives than her uncle involved?
Can anybody access the house without having a key? (No, it's usually all locked up)
Were there more persons in the house? (Except Gwen and probably her killer) ?
Did the murderer come into the house through a window?
Did the murderer take  money and/or jewellery from Gwen's body?
Is anything supernatural involved?
Did the murderer know that Gwen was in the house before he entered?
Did Gwen call her uncle to tell him she would be staying the night at the house?
Did the murderer know there were valuables in the house?
Did the murderer know the father?
Was the house a family home that Gwen's father and uncle had grown up in?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her something about the house?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her to leave the door unlocked?
Was there a power outage?
Did Gwen deactivate the alarm/locks?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Was Gwen the intended target?
Was it a messy crime scene (as in lots of blood)?
If someone else had made the phonecall, would this someone have been killed instead of Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for a work of art?
Was the murderer looking for a stamp(s)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sat 05/09/2020 14:36:11
Quote from: heltenjon on Fri 04/09/2020 12:15:15
I'll attempt a solution. I guess Gwen called her uncle to ask for the codes to deactivate the alarm system or automatic locks. Or the uncle deactivated them remotely. Then she fell asleep and neglected to lock the doors (if that was even possible). A burglar entered the building and ended up killing Gwen when he was surprised by her presence.

The big hole in this theory is that what's written in the journal is supposed to be relevant, and unless there are some details about the building or the alarm, I don't know what it could be.

Not really, no. Not everything is wrong though.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 05/09/2020 15:37:01
Was there a power outage?
Did Gwen deactivate the alarm/locks?
Did she call to ask her uncle about something?
Did she call to tell her uncle about something?
Did she know about her uncle before reading the journal?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sat 05/09/2020 16:01:36
Answered above.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 05/09/2020 17:34:51
Did her uncle deactivate the locks/alarm system (remotely)?
Did she call him to deactivate the system because she was staying the night?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Sat 05/09/2020 19:08:51
Did the house have an alarm system?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Sat 05/09/2020 19:32:09
Did Gwen leave the door unlocked deliberately?
Was there an instruction in the journal to call the uncle?
Was part of the journal in code?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sat 05/09/2020 20:01:24
Did the murderer enter the house through the front door?
Was the door the murderer came in through wide open ?
Was the door the murderer came in through simply just unlocked?
Does the phone Gwen made the phonecall with have a certain unique feature?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sun 06/09/2020 02:11:50
I just want to clarify a few points to help build the picture of what happened.

Did the burglar set out that day to targeting that particular house specifically because he knew that the occupant had recently died and was hoping to find some valuables?

Did the burglar enter that house speculatively, after noticing that the door was open or unlocked?

Regarding the part of the journal that caused Gwen to call her uncle: was it a code or password?

Was Gwen’s father known to be a wealthy man?

Did Gwen accidentally leave the door unlocked when she fell asleep, allowing the thief to enter easily?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 06/09/2020 10:00:23
Case #67

Gwen was cleaning her father's house after he had passed away. She found his old journal from back before he was even married and started reading it. About halfway through she stopped reading and made a phone call. She continued reading the journal before falling asleep in her old bedroom. The next morning she was found murdered. What happened?


YES
Is the father's wife her mother?
Is the phone call related to Gwen reading the journal?
Did Gwen call a family member of hers? (aunt, uncle, cousins, etc)
Is the murderer male?
Is the murderer a human?
Is this set in present time?
Is it important exactly who she called?
Was the murderer looking for something else than the journal?
Is what's written in the journal relevant?
Is the person she called older than Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for something of monetary value?
Was the person that Gwen phoned a relative of her father's?
Did Gwen call her uncle?
Was the murderer present in the house at the time of the murder?
Was the murderer looking for money?
Was the murderer looking for jewel(s)?
Did the killer murder Gwen in her bedroom, I mean was he in the room ?
Was Gwen's uncle mentioned in the journal?
Is the murderer a random man with no connection to the family?
Was Gwen's body found in her bedroom?
Was the murderer a thief?
Did the murderer enter the house because he thought it was empty?
Did she call to ask her uncle about something? (Kind of. Enough on the "YES" side.)
Did she call to tell her uncle about something? (Again, kind of...)
Did she know about her uncle before reading the journal?
Was the door the murderer came in through simply just unlocked?
Did the burglar set out that day to target that particular house specifically because he knew that the occupant had recently died and was hoping to find some valuables?
Did Gwen accidentally leave the door unlocked when she fell asleep, allowing the thief to enter easily?


NO
Was Gwen murdered by the person she phoned?
Did she find out something about herself by reading the journal?
Was Gwen's father not her real father?
Is the father's wife still alive?
Does Gwen have brother(s) and/or sister(s)?
Did she find out that her father committed a crime? (unless maybe he admitted to smoking some weed in his journal)
Was Gwen poisoned?
Did Gwen call her partner? (husband, wife, boyfriend, whatever)
Did Gwen call a lawyer?
Did she find anything related to money in the journal?
Was the murderer expecting to find her in the house?
Did Gwen find a phone number in the journal?
Would she still be alive if she would have fallen asleep in another room?
Is the murder related to the phone call?
Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?
Did the murderer break into the house?
Was the murderer already in the house when Gwen arrived?
Did the murderer overhear the phone call?
Did Gwen know she was going to get killed when she went to bed?
Did the journal reveal that her father had been murdered?
Did Gwen kill the father?
Did the journal reveal something about matters of inheritance?
Is the country/geographic location important? (For instance a dictatorship where surveillance listens in on phone calls.)
Did the murderer also take/hide/destroy the journal?
Is the murder method important?
Did Gwen call the police, i.e. one of her relatives is in the police?
Did the journal contain information about a crime someone else had committed?
Did the killer also read the journal?
Was the killer mentioned in the journal?
Are there more murders in this case than Gwen's?
Did the phone call go to voice mail?
Did the phone call alert the murderer that she's/there's someone in the house?
Did Gwen fall asleep with the journal covering her face?
Did the murderer have keys to the house?
Was the murderer a neighbour?
Did the murderer think Gwen was an intruder?
Did the murderer go to the house to retrieve the journal?
Is/was the journal relevant to why the murderer was in the house?
Did the murderer kill Gwen by accident?
Did she let her murderer into the house?
Did the phonecall come from a landline, i.e. not a mobile phone?
Does the person she called know the murderer?
Did Gwen know her murderer?
Was there something hidden in the journal?
Did the person she called tell anyone else about the conversation?
Is the father's cause of death important?
Did Gwen already know the murderer?
Did Gwen and the murderer enter the house together?
Is the phone itself the murder weapon?
Is the bed the murder weapon?
Was Gwen murdered in the same way her father died?
Was the murderer happy that Gwen died?
Did the murderer use a spare key?
Was the door locked?
Is it important where Gwen was when she called? (For instance near a window, where the reception was better.)
Did her uncle send the murderer?
Are any other relatives than her uncle involved?
Can anybody access the house without having a key? (No, it's usually all locked up)
Were there more persons in the house? (Except Gwen and probably her killer) ?
Did the murderer come into the house through a window?
Did the murderer take  money and/or jewellery from Gwen's body?
Is anything supernatural involved?
Did the murderer know that Gwen was in the house before he entered?
Did Gwen call her uncle to tell him she would be staying the night at the house?
Did the murderer know there were valuables in the house?
Did the murderer know the father?
Was the house a family home that Gwen's father and uncle had grown up in?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her something about the house?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her to leave the door unlocked?
Was there a power outage?
Did Gwen deactivate the alarm/locks?
Did her uncle deactivate the locks/alarm system (remotely)?
Did she call him to deactivate the system because she was staying the night?
Did the house have an alarm system?
Did Gwen leave the door unlocked deliberately?
Was there an instruction in the journal to call the uncle?
Was part of the journal in code?
Did the murderer enter the house through the front door?
Was the door the murderer came in through wide open ?
Does the phone Gwen made the phonecall with have a certain unique feature?
Did the burglar enter that house speculatively, after noticing that the door was open or unlocked?
Regarding the part of the journal that caused Gwen to call her uncle: was it a code or password?
Was Gwen’s father known to be a wealthy man?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Was Gwen the intended target?
Was it a messy crime scene (as in lots of blood)?
If someone else had made the phonecall, would this someone have been killed instead of Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for a work of art?
Was the murderer looking for a stamp(s)?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 06/09/2020 10:12:30
Hmmmm... I told myself this morning that I would put up a slight clue tonight (currently 6PM here) if nobody had asked the pertinent question(s) needed to solve the case.

I'm not so sure about that anymore. Maybe tomorrow night, if the pertinent question(s) hasn't been asked by then.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 06/09/2020 11:18:11
Did Gwen call to inform her uncle about her father's death?
Did her uncle do something to inform about the death in the family to the public? (ad, flag at half-mast, mourning bands, Facebook entry or similar)
Did her uncle sing her a lullaby mentioned in the journal?
Did Gwen call to tell her uncle she was in the house so that he didn't need to come this evening?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sun 06/09/2020 12:33:13
Did something in the journal make Gwen find something of high value in the house?
( Pretty clueless, since the case seems to be solved by maybe 80%)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Sun 06/09/2020 16:00:48
Did Gwen forget to lock the door because she was distracted by something specific (i.e. something she had read in the journal, or something her uncle had said as opposed to just generally being distracted by her father's death and having to clear the house)?
Did Gwen leave the house to make the phone call?
Did Gwen's father have a pet that needed access in or out of the house?
Did Gwen call her uncle to confirm or clarify something that was mentioned in the journal?
Had Gwen's uncle written in the journal?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sun 06/09/2020 17:48:29
Just gotta clarify a few more things just to be super certain we’re not missing some sneaky trick.

Is the “father’s house” Gwen’s childhood home?
Is the “old bedroom” in which Gwen falls asleep in the same house as where she found the journal?
Had the father remarried?
Was Gwen’s body found by the Uncle?
Was Gwen stabbed?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: mkennedy on Sun 06/09/2020 22:51:52
Was a weapon used to kill Gwen?
Was she awake or asleep when she was killed?
Did  the killer have a criminal record?
Had he ever killed anybody before in his life?
Did the killer feel remorse for his actions?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Mon 07/09/2020 04:05:45
Possible solution.

Gwen went back to her childhood home to sort through some of her deceased father’s belongings. She came upon the old man’s journal from before he was married.  In the journal her father recounted the story of his friend’s relationship with a young lady from a prosperous family. They bore a child out of wedlock and the family refused to have anything to do with the child, but the young lady died giving birth and the family still refused to allow the bastard child into their home. The child’s father was a simple man, and didn’t have the means to bring up a baby alone, so he turned to his friend Bill. Bill agreed to adopt the child, and the young man would visit regularly as baby Gwen’s uncle.

As Gwen read these words she realised that her uncle was indeed her biological father. She called her uncle to tell him that she knew the truth and that she forgave him and that she always had an inkling that something wasn’t as it seemed.

She took the book and lay on the bed with the journal reading more stories about her father and uncle and remembered the times he visited and brought gifts and chocolate. It all made sense. She drifted to sleep feeling happy that her father, nay, fathers had put her well-being above all else, and she began to dream of the contents in the journal.

Meanwhile, a local burglar had been scoping the place out after learning of the old man’s death in the local obiituary. We went there with nothing but a backpack, a lockpick and a desire for money and jewellery. He was surprised to see the door was unlocked. Result. He went inside and made his way around the house. When he came to the old bedroom he was surprised to see a sleeping woman. He fell back in surprise, knocking over a vase and woke up the girl, who started screaming.

“Shh shh I’m not going to hurtâ€"“
Still screaming, she starts to attack him. He falls to the floor, and finds himself picking up the broken vase and slashing the young woman’s throat. In a panic, the burglar lays the girl on the bed and runs, leaving the door wide open. The next day a passer by checks the open door, finds Gwen’s body and immediately calls the police.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Mon 07/09/2020 07:44:14
Great, Stupot !
Even if this is not the intended solution,
it‘s worth an applause ...
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Mon 07/09/2020 08:54:38
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 06/09/2020 10:00:23

NO
Was Gwen's father not her real father?


Ufortunately, I think this rules out Stupot's solution. We already know who the killer is, and the murder method is irrelevant. What we need to do, is figure out what's written in the journal and why she called her uncle; and why this led to the door being left open.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Mon 07/09/2020 11:24:41
Quote from: heltenjon on Mon 07/09/2020 08:54:38
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 06/09/2020 10:00:23

NO
Was Gwen's father not her real father?


Ufortunately, I think this rules out Stupot's solution.

This could have been Mandle being literal. 🤪
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 07/09/2020 13:32:41
Case #67

Gwen was cleaning her father's house after he had passed away. She found his old journal from back before he was even married and started reading it. About halfway through she stopped reading and made a phone call. She continued reading the journal before falling asleep in her old bedroom. The next morning she was found murdered. What happened?


YES
Is the father's wife her mother?
Is the phone call related to Gwen reading the journal?
Did Gwen call a family member of hers? (aunt, uncle, cousins, etc)
Is the murderer male?
Is the murderer a human?
Is this set in present time?
Is it important exactly who she called?
Was the murderer looking for something else than the journal?
Is what's written in the journal relevant?
Is the person she called older than Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for something of monetary value?
Was the person that Gwen phoned a relative of her father's?
Did Gwen call her uncle?
Was the murderer present in the house at the time of the murder?
Was the murderer looking for money?
Was the murderer looking for jewel(s)?
Did the killer murder Gwen in her bedroom, I mean was he in the room ?
Was Gwen's uncle mentioned in the journal?
Is the murderer a random man with no connection to the family?
Was Gwen's body found in her bedroom?
Was the murderer a thief?
Did the murderer enter the house because he thought it was empty?
Did she call to ask her uncle about something? (Kind of. Enough on the "YES" side.)
Did she call to tell her uncle about something? (Again, kind of...)
Did she know about her uncle before reading the journal?
Was the door the murderer came in through simply just unlocked?
Did the burglar set out that day to target that particular house specifically because he knew that the occupant had recently died and was hoping to find some valuables?
Did Gwen accidentally leave the door unlocked when she fell asleep, allowing the thief to enter easily?
Did her uncle do something to inform about the death in the family to the public? (ad, flag at half-mast, mourning bands, Facebook entry or similar)
Did Gwen forget to lock the door because she was distracted by something specific (i.e. something she had read in the journal, or something her uncle had said as opposed to just generally being distracted by her father's death and having to clear the house)?
Did Gwen call her uncle to confirm or clarify something that was mentioned in the journal?
Is the “father’s house” Gwen’s childhood home?
Is the “old bedroom” in which Gwen falls asleep in the same house as where she found the journal?


NO
Was Gwen murdered by the person she phoned?
Did she find out something about herself by reading the journal?
Was Gwen's father not her real father?
Is the father's wife still alive?
Does Gwen have brother(s) and/or sister(s)?
Did she find out that her father committed a crime? (unless maybe he admitted to smoking some weed in his journal)
Was Gwen poisoned?
Did Gwen call her partner? (husband, wife, boyfriend, whatever)
Did Gwen call a lawyer?
Did she find anything related to money in the journal?
Was the murderer expecting to find her in the house?
Did Gwen find a phone number in the journal?
Would she still be alive if she would have fallen asleep in another room?
Is the murder related to the phone call?
Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?
Did the murderer break into the house?
Was the murderer already in the house when Gwen arrived?
Did the murderer overhear the phone call?
Did Gwen know she was going to get killed when she went to bed?
Did the journal reveal that her father had been murdered?
Did Gwen kill the father?
Did the journal reveal something about matters of inheritance?
Is the country/geographic location important? (For instance a dictatorship where surveillance listens in on phone calls.)
Did the murderer also take/hide/destroy the journal?
Is the murder method important?
Did Gwen call the police, i.e. one of her relatives is in the police?
Did the journal contain information about a crime someone else had committed?
Did the killer also read the journal?
Was the killer mentioned in the journal?
Are there more murders in this case than Gwen's?
Did the phone call go to voice mail?
Did the phone call alert the murderer that she's/there's someone in the house?
Did Gwen fall asleep with the journal covering her face?
Did the murderer have keys to the house?
Was the murderer a neighbour?
Did the murderer think Gwen was an intruder?
Did the murderer go to the house to retrieve the journal?
Is/was the journal relevant to why the murderer was in the house?
Did the murderer kill Gwen by accident?
Did she let her murderer into the house?
Did the phonecall come from a landline, i.e. not a mobile phone?
Does the person she called know the murderer?
Did Gwen know her murderer?
Was there something hidden in the journal?
Did the person she called tell anyone else about the conversation?
Is the father's cause of death important?
Did Gwen already know the murderer?
Did Gwen and the murderer enter the house together?
Is the phone itself the murder weapon?
Is the bed the murder weapon?
Was Gwen murdered in the same way her father died?
Was the murderer happy that Gwen died?
Did the murderer use a spare key?
Was the door locked?
Is it important where Gwen was when she called? (For instance near a window, where the reception was better.)
Did her uncle send the murderer?
Are any other relatives than her uncle involved?
Can anybody access the house without having a key? (No, it's usually all locked up)
Were there more persons in the house? (Except Gwen and probably her killer) ?
Did the murderer come into the house through a window?
Did the murderer take  money and/or jewellery from Gwen's body?
Is anything supernatural involved?
Did the murderer know that Gwen was in the house before he entered?
Did Gwen call her uncle to tell him she would be staying the night at the house?
Did the murderer know there were valuables in the house?
Did the murderer know the father?
Was the house a family home that Gwen's father and uncle had grown up in?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her something about the house?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her to leave the door unlocked?
Was there a power outage?
Did Gwen deactivate the alarm/locks?
Did her uncle deactivate the locks/alarm system (remotely)?
Did she call him to deactivate the system because she was staying the night?
Did the house have an alarm system?
Did Gwen leave the door unlocked deliberately?
Was there an instruction in the journal to call the uncle?
Was part of the journal in code?
Did the murderer enter the house through the front door?
Was the door the murderer came in through wide open ?
Does the phone Gwen made the phonecall with have a certain unique feature?
Did the burglar enter that house speculatively, after noticing that the door was open or unlocked?
Regarding the part of the journal that caused Gwen to call her uncle: was it a code or password?
Was Gwen’s father known to be a wealthy man?
Did Gwen call to inform her uncle about her father's death?
Did her uncle sing her a lullaby mentioned in the journal?
Did Gwen call to tell her uncle she was in the house so that he didn't need to come this evening?
Did something in the journal make Gwen find something of high value in the house?
Did Gwen leave the house to make the phone call?
Did Gwen's father have a pet that needed access in or out of the house?
Had Gwen's uncle written in the journal?
Had the father remarried?
Was Gwen’s body found by the Uncle?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Was Gwen the intended target?
Was it a messy crime scene (as in lots of blood)?
If someone else had made the phonecall, would this someone have been killed instead of Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for a work of art?
Was the murderer looking for a stamp(s)?
Was Gwen stabbed? (maybe, but the method of murder has already been ruled out as being important)
Was a weapon used to kill Gwen?
Was she awake or asleep when she was killed? (Only yes or no questions are allowed)
Did  the killer have a criminal record?
Had he ever killed anybody before in his life?
Did the killer feel remorse for his actions?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 07/09/2020 13:34:56
While Stupot's solution is a great read, and I wish I had put that much thought into the backstories of the characters, it is not the case, except for the later parts about the burglar which have already been established.

So, we know everything except why Gwen reading her father's journal, and then calling her uncle, is relevant to her ending up dead at the hands of the burglar who expected an empty house of a dead man to raid for valuables.

Some people have mentioned an apparent contradiction in the way two certain questions were answered, but there is no contradiction if you consider the wording of those two questions carefully.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Mon 07/09/2020 14:37:16
You know, this feels like that last werewolf game, where I was so close to working it out but my brain just wouldn't make that final leap.

Quote from: Mandle on Mon 07/09/2020 13:34:56
Some people have mentioned an apparent contradiction in the way two certain questions were answered, but there is no contradiction if you consider the wording of those two questions carefully.
These two, I presume:
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 07/09/2020 13:32:41
Is the murder related to the phone call?
Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?
I assume this is because the burglar would have ended up at the house whether Gwen had made the call or not, so the murder is not actually related to it. Rather, it's something that Gwen (or possibly the uncle) did in relation to the phone call that led to her death. The phone call must have either led to Gwen leaving the door unlocked, allowing the burglar to enter the house silently, or it simply led to Gwen still being in the house, when ordinarily she would have left earlier.

Did the phone call lead to Gwen leaving the door unlocked?
Did Gwen only continue reading the journal because of the phone call?
Would Gwen have gone home before the burglar arrived if she hadn't made the phone call?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Mon 07/09/2020 15:44:04
Did Gwen call her uncle because there was something in the journal she wanted to show him?
Did Gwen call her uncle to ask him to come to the house?
Was Gwen waiting for the uncle when she fell asleep?
Was it the uncle who found her body?
Did Gwen leave the door open on purpose knowing that she might fall asleep and that her uncle didn’t have a key?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: mkennedy on Mon 07/09/2020 17:46:34
Did the killer awaken Gwen?
Did the uncle ask Gwen to wait for him in the house so they could meet in person?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Tue 08/09/2020 15:49:22
Did Gwen try to lock the door but accidentally unlocked it ?
EDIT:Was Gwen disabled in some way?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 09/09/2020 10:20:35
I believe Stupot's got it this time, but in case he's wrong:

Did the journal mention something in the back yard or garden?
Did Gwen ask her uncle about something outside (like a favourite spot when they were kids, or where they buried a time capsule or similar)?
Did Gwen use the back door?
Did Gwen go out to fly the flag at half-mast, leaving the door unlocked for when she was going to take it down again?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 09/09/2020 16:03:17
Case #67

Gwen was cleaning her father's house after he had passed away. She found his old journal from back before he was even married and started reading it. About halfway through she stopped reading and made a phone call. She continued reading the journal before falling asleep in her old bedroom. The next morning she was found murdered. What happened?


YES
Is the father's wife her mother?
Is the phone call related to Gwen reading the journal?
Did Gwen call a family member of hers? (aunt, uncle, cousins, etc)
Is the murderer male?
Is the murderer a human?
Is this set in present time?
Is it important exactly who she called?
Was the murderer looking for something else than the journal?
Is what's written in the journal relevant?
Is the person she called older than Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for something of monetary value?
Was the person that Gwen phoned a relative of her father's?
Did Gwen call her uncle?
Was the murderer present in the house at the time of the murder?
Was the murderer looking for money?
Was the murderer looking for jewel(s)?
Did the killer murder Gwen in her bedroom, I mean was he in the room ?
Was Gwen's uncle mentioned in the journal?
Is the murderer a random man with no connection to the family?
Was Gwen's body found in her bedroom?
Was the murderer a thief?
Did the murderer enter the house because he thought it was empty?
Did she call to ask her uncle about something? (Kind of. Enough on the "YES" side.)
Did she call to tell her uncle about something? (Again, kind of...)
Did she know about her uncle before reading the journal?
Was the door the murderer came in through simply just unlocked?
Did the burglar set out that day to target that particular house specifically because he knew that the occupant had recently died and was hoping to find some valuables?
Did Gwen accidentally leave the door unlocked when she fell asleep, allowing the thief to enter easily?
Did her uncle do something to inform about the death in the family to the public? (ad, flag at half-mast, mourning bands, Facebook entry or similar)
Did Gwen forget to lock the door because she was distracted by something specific (i.e. something she had read in the journal, or something her uncle had said as opposed to just generally being distracted by her father's death and having to clear the house)?
Did Gwen call her uncle to confirm or clarify something that was mentioned in the journal?
Is the “father’s house” Gwen’s childhood home?
Is the “old bedroom” in which Gwen falls asleep in the same house as where she found the journal?
Did the phone call lead to Gwen leaving the door unlocked?
Did Gwen only continue reading the journal because of the phone call?
Would Gwen have gone home before the burglar arrived if she hadn't made the phone call?


NO
Was Gwen murdered by the person she phoned?
Did she find out something about herself by reading the journal?
Was Gwen's father not her real father?
Is the father's wife still alive?
Does Gwen have brother(s) and/or sister(s)?
Did she find out that her father committed a crime? (unless maybe he admitted to smoking some weed in his journal)
Was Gwen poisoned?
Did Gwen call her partner? (husband, wife, boyfriend, whatever)
Did Gwen call a lawyer?
Did she find anything related to money in the journal?
Was the murderer expecting to find her in the house?
Did Gwen find a phone number in the journal?
Would she still be alive if she would have fallen asleep in another room?
Is the murder related to the phone call?
Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?
Did the murderer break into the house?
Was the murderer already in the house when Gwen arrived?
Did the murderer overhear the phone call?
Did Gwen know she was going to get killed when she went to bed?
Did the journal reveal that her father had been murdered?
Did Gwen kill the father?
Did the journal reveal something about matters of inheritance?
Is the country/geographic location important? (For instance a dictatorship where surveillance listens in on phone calls.)
Did the murderer also take/hide/destroy the journal?
Is the murder method important?
Did Gwen call the police, i.e. one of her relatives is in the police?
Did the journal contain information about a crime someone else had committed?
Did the killer also read the journal?
Was the killer mentioned in the journal?
Are there more murders in this case than Gwen's?
Did the phone call go to voice mail?
Did the phone call alert the murderer that she's/there's someone in the house?
Did Gwen fall asleep with the journal covering her face?
Did the murderer have keys to the house?
Was the murderer a neighbour?
Did the murderer think Gwen was an intruder?
Did the murderer go to the house to retrieve the journal?
Is/was the journal relevant to why the murderer was in the house?
Did the murderer kill Gwen by accident?
Did she let her murderer into the house?
Did the phonecall come from a landline, i.e. not a mobile phone?
Does the person she called know the murderer?
Did Gwen know her murderer?
Was there something hidden in the journal?
Did the person she called tell anyone else about the conversation?
Is the father's cause of death important?
Did Gwen already know the murderer?
Did Gwen and the murderer enter the house together?
Is the phone itself the murder weapon?
Is the bed the murder weapon?
Was Gwen murdered in the same way her father died?
Was the murderer happy that Gwen died?
Did the murderer use a spare key?
Was the door locked?
Is it important where Gwen was when she called? (For instance near a window, where the reception was better.)
Did her uncle send the murderer?
Are any other relatives than her uncle involved?
Can anybody access the house without having a key? (No, it's usually all locked up)
Were there more persons in the house? (Except Gwen and probably her killer) ?
Did the murderer come into the house through a window?
Did the murderer take  money and/or jewellery from Gwen's body?
Is anything supernatural involved?
Did the murderer know that Gwen was in the house before he entered?
Did Gwen call her uncle to tell him she would be staying the night at the house?
Did the murderer know there were valuables in the house?
Did the murderer know the father?
Was the house a family home that Gwen's father and uncle had grown up in?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her something about the house?
Did Gwen's uncle tell her to leave the door unlocked?
Was there a power outage?
Did Gwen deactivate the alarm/locks?
Did her uncle deactivate the locks/alarm system (remotely)?
Did she call him to deactivate the system because she was staying the night?
Did the house have an alarm system?
Did Gwen leave the door unlocked deliberately?
Was there an instruction in the journal to call the uncle?
Was part of the journal in code?
Did the murderer enter the house through the front door?
Was the door the murderer came in through wide open ?
Does the phone Gwen made the phonecall with have a certain unique feature?
Did the burglar enter that house speculatively, after noticing that the door was open or unlocked?
Regarding the part of the journal that caused Gwen to call her uncle: was it a code or password?
Was Gwen’s father known to be a wealthy man?
Did Gwen call to inform her uncle about her father's death?
Did her uncle sing her a lullaby mentioned in the journal?
Did Gwen call to tell her uncle she was in the house so that he didn't need to come this evening?
Did something in the journal make Gwen find something of high value in the house?
Did Gwen leave the house to make the phone call?
Did Gwen's father have a pet that needed access in or out of the house?
Had Gwen's uncle written in the journal?
Had the father remarried?
Was Gwen’s body found by the Uncle?
Did Gwen call her uncle because there was something in the journal she wanted to show him?
Did Gwen call her uncle to ask him to come to the house?
Was Gwen waiting for the uncle when she fell asleep?
Was it the uncle who found her body?
Did Gwen leave the door open on purpose knowing that she might fall asleep and that her uncle didn’t have a key?
Did the uncle ask Gwen to wait for him in the house so they could meet in person?
Did Gwen try to lock the door but accidentally unlocked it ?
Was Gwen disabled in some way?
Did the journal mention something in the back yard or garden?
Did Gwen ask her uncle about something outside (like a favourite spot when they were kids, or where they buried a time capsule or similar)?
Did Gwen use the back door?
Did Gwen go out to fly the flag at half-mast, leaving the door unlocked for when she was going to take it down again?


IRRELEVANT OR CANNOT BE ANSWERED THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED
Was Gwen the intended target?
Was it a messy crime scene (as in lots of blood)?
If someone else had made the phonecall, would this someone have been killed instead of Gwen?
Was the murderer looking for a work of art?
Was the murderer looking for a stamp(s)?
Was Gwen stabbed? (maybe, but the method of murder has already been ruled out as being important)
Was a weapon used to kill Gwen?
Was she awake or asleep when she was killed? (Only yes or no questions are allowed)
Did  the killer have a criminal record?
Had he ever killed anybody before in his life?
Did the killer feel remorse for his actions?
Did the killer awaken Gwen?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 09/09/2020 16:04:33
Sorry  for the lag there in replying. I have been a bit out of it from the sheer heat here of having to go to work now and then.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Wed 09/09/2020 16:11:10
My God, Mandle, how shall we ever solve this?
Maybe a tiny nudge would help :-)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 09/09/2020 16:14:20
Quote from: Ian Aloser on Wed 09/09/2020 16:11:10
My God, Mandle, how shall we ever solve this?
Maybe a tiny nudge would help :-)

It's pretty much solved. Just needs a "Solution" post to complete it.

EDIT: Maybe another question or two about the journal and phone call could help, but if the solution is close enough I will grant closure.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Wed 09/09/2020 19:49:05
Did Gwen ask her uncle's permission to read the rest of the journal?

If so, then the solution is this: Gwen went to clean her father's house after he passed away. She found his old journal and began to read it. She found out something shocking - about her uncle? - and phoned him. He confirmed that what she had read was true, and gave her permission to read the rest of the journal. Gwen was so eager to finish learning the story of the father and uncle that she forgot to lock up the house and fell asleep. Later that night, a burglar, who had heard that the house was now empty, attempted to break in, only to find that the door was unlocked. He entered the house and, while looking for valuables, stumbled across a slumbering Gwen. In his panic the burglar killed her by (insert murder method of choice here - I say he smothered her with a pillow).

The one thing that's bugging me is what she read in the journal. Had the uncle committed a crime? ???
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Cassiebsg on Wed 09/09/2020 20:13:30
Was the uncle's secret that he was born as Gwen's aunt?  (roll)
Was the piece of information that lead to the phone call related to the uncle?
Was the piece of information that lead to the phone call related to the father?
Was the piece of information that lead to the phone call related to her mother?
Was the piece of information that lead to the phone call related to her?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Thu 10/09/2020 21:59:42
Quote from: Riaise on Wed 09/09/2020 19:49:05
Did Gwen ask her uncle's permission to read the rest of the journal?

If so, then the solution is this: Gwen went to clean her father's house after he passed away. She found his old journal and began to read it. She found out something shocking - about her uncle? - and phoned him. He confirmed that what she had read was true, and gave her permission to read the rest of the journal. Gwen was so eager to finish learning the story of the father and uncle that she forgot to lock up the house and fell asleep. Later that night, a burglar, who had heard that the house was now empty, attempted to break in, only to find that the door was unlocked. He entered the house and, while looking for valuables, stumbled across a slumbering Gwen. In his panic the burglar killed her by (insert murder method of choice here - I say he smothered her with a pillow).

The one thing that's bugging me is what she read in the journal. Had the uncle committed a crime? ???

This is pretty much correct, except is wasn't exactly something shocking she read. More something amusing. Once that is guessed I will post the full story.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Thu 10/09/2020 22:10:29
Did her father and uncle have a pet named Gwen/Gwendolyn?
Did her father and uncle know a song about someone called Gwen/Gwendolyn?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: mkennedy on Thu 10/09/2020 23:06:03
Did her father have a funny nickname for her uncle?
Did her uncle have a funny nickname for her father?
Did the diary contain tales of their adventures together?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Thu 10/09/2020 23:23:47
Was it a picture the father had drawn?
Was it a photograph?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Fri 11/09/2020 00:12:52
Quote from: mkennedy on Thu 10/09/2020 23:06:03
Did the diary contain tales of their adventures together?

This is getting close.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sat 12/09/2020 00:04:19
Had both brothers written in the journal?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Sat 12/09/2020 07:51:36
Were the brothers twins?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 13/09/2020 08:45:05
Quote from: heltenjon on Sat 12/09/2020 00:04:19
Had both brothers written in the journal?

Quote from: Ian Aloser on Sat 12/09/2020 07:51:36
Were the brothers twins?

Nope...

(The reason I'm not updating the main post is that the riddle has pretty much been solved except for the main reason Gwen called her uncle in the first place. It's not really that important so if someone doesn't hit on it soon I will just declare this solved and say what the journal entries were.)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 13/09/2020 08:51:21
Quote from: mkennedy on Thu 10/09/2020 23:06:03
Did her father have a funny nickname for her uncle?
Did her uncle have a funny nickname for her father?

Looking back, these are kind of close to the final solution in that the two brothers both did funny stuff, but nicknames are not a part of the solution.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Sun 13/09/2020 09:29:58
Did she read that her dad and uncle used to do a live double-act together and contacted the uncle to ask if he had any old tapes of their performances?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Sun 13/09/2020 09:43:58
Quote from: Stupot on Sun 13/09/2020 09:29:58
Did she read that her dad and uncle used to do a live double-act together

Closer...
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 13/09/2020 21:20:19
Did they do magic? One went into a box in one end of the room, and the other appeared somewhere else?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 14/09/2020 02:33:22
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 13/09/2020 09:43:58
Quote from: Stupot on Sun 13/09/2020 09:29:58
Did she read that her dad and uncle used to do a live double-act together

Closer...

I only meant "closer" in that it was something both brothers did to each other.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Mon 14/09/2020 02:49:02
Would they often play pranks on each other?
Would they often set each other little puzzles and challenges?
Was there a puzzle in the journal and Gwen called her uncle to help solve it?
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Mon 14/09/2020 07:32:08
Quote from: Stupot on Mon 14/09/2020 02:49:02
Would they often play pranks on each other?

This is the final piece in this puzzle.

So now the full story:

Gwen was cleaning up her late father's house when she stumbled upon his journal that he wrote in his late teens.

She got engrossed in reading his words of a life of his before herself that she had never dreamed of.

Gwen was just about to head back to her own home when she came upon a passage in the journal describing how her father had pranked her uncle by putting kitchen-wrap over the toilet bowl.

She called up her uncle to talk about this story of the prank and they laughed about it, and then the uncle told her to keep reading to find out how he had gotten his revenge for that prank, as he was sure that his brother had also written about that.

At this point, Gwen also considered just going back home and reading the journal there, but she couldn't resist the lure of finding out what the revenge prank had been.

Quite some pages later she found out that her uncle had pre-recorded a scary voice on a tape recorder and put it outside his brother's window with an extension cord that he could plug in and out of the socket from his room and still call back that it wasn't him doing the voice outside his brother's window every time his brother freaked out.

Gwen got a great laugh from reading how her father had been revenge-pranked, but she was too tired to drive back home and just decided to sleep over at her old home in her old bed.

A burglar, who knew that the home owner had recently passed away, and that there may be valuables left over, broke into the house that night and surprised the sleeping Gwen.

They struggled and the burglar panicked and strangled poor Gwen to death on the floor of her childhood bedroom.


CASE SOLVED!!!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 16/09/2020 00:09:03
Hmmmm, silence reigns.

I think this was one of my favorite Black Stories that I have made. I think I got the misdirection just right, in that it was confusing, as a decent riddle should be at first, but fair when you find out the solution.

The questions and answers that were called into question:

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"Is the murder related to the phone call?" is no, but the answer to "Would she had been murdered if she hadn't made the phone call?" is also no.

Are both fairly answered I feel.

The murder itself wasn't related to the phone call. The killer has no idea that Gwen had even made a phone call.

Yet, if she hadn't made the phone call she would have gone back to her own home as planned as would not have been murdered.

So, the reason why the murder ended up occurring was related to the phone call but the actual act of the murder was not.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Stupot on Wed 16/09/2020 01:18:42
Yeah this was a good riddle. I was starting to wonder if it was worth trying to guess the contents of the book when the case itself was basically resolved. But I’m glad you persisted because the book actually does directly lead to Gwen making the decision to keep reading and to stay longer. (Describes one prank, then uncle tells Gwen to keep reading to find out how he got his revenge).
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Wed 16/09/2020 01:33:45
*Lining up participants in a choir position*

;-D :cheesy: ;-D :cheesy: ;-D :cheesy:
Thank you, Mandle. for your riddle and your time!
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Mandle on Wed 16/09/2020 04:55:50
Quote from: Stupot on Wed 16/09/2020 01:18:42
Yeah this was a good riddle. I was starting to wonder if it was worth trying to guess the contents of the book when the case itself was basically resolved. But I’m glad you persisted because the book actually does directly lead to Gwen making the decision to keep reading and to stay longer. (Describes one prank, then uncle tells Gwen to keep reading to find out how he got his revenge).

Yeah, I was considering ending it there but decided that that small point was pretty important: The thing that lured her back into wanting to read on.
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Ian Aloser on Thu 17/09/2020 11:35:59
Thanks from my side for this nice story of course, too.
Though, at some point I completely lost track,
due to the sheer amount of answers :-)
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: Riaise on Thu 17/09/2020 13:28:54
Yeah, that was a good one. I'm glad you made us guess right up until the last detail, as frustrating as it was. :P Also, you're right in that it was a fair solution, while being very difficult to work out at the time. I was so fixated on it being a bad thing that had distracted Gwen that it didn't ever occur to me that she could have been distracted because she was amused. So, good job on that! :-D
Title: Re: New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles
Post by: heltenjon on Sun 20/09/2020 21:41:53
There's currently a Black Story-type riddle over in the riddle thread, for those not reading that.